Limited Resources 694 - March of the Machine Set Review: Commons and Uncommons

[@YayapLives]

4:04:14 I love how Overloaded mage ring went _out of its way_ to include rules reminder text implying that the copied spell could be a permanent spell; and yet _everyone_ (including me, I had to have this pointed out to me,) reads it as a sorcery/instant. Makes it significantly more enticing.

[@voltcorp]

right? I mean, we literally call a "spells deck" a "spells deck" 😂

[@ben_clifford]

To be fair, copying anything else is a relatively new mechanic. And I think this is the first set that has the templating of copying any spell (before, even the stuff that could copy permanents would be limited, IIRC).

[@chriswuk92]

Thanks for always uploading these so quickly - the LR set reviews are a real treat and I prefer to watch them on YT :)

[@craigofcanada773]

Agreed 🎉😊 it can be tough to keep up via audio

[@dgq1940]

It's very funny that both hosts just instantly agreed every time discussing colour hosers that you play vs X or Y colour 40% of the time, while it's actually 70% - there's only three colour pairs out of ten that do not include either of two.

[@slungellife]

True, but of the decks you will face only 40 percent of their creatures/cards will be hosed by these cards. So they will be awkward the majority of the time.

[@narfidy444]

I did not expect this this early, so excited! Always nice when both episodes are gonna be out before pre release

[@TheVWarriors]

for what its worth: battle of kylem giving haste is PROBABLY because thats the THG plane, so the joke is that you would be buffing a creature your team mate just played.

[@buddabudda]

You know you've been listening to too much LR when "the joke is" causes a physical reaction.

[@MsMollieMac]

Our LGS hosts a 2hg prerelease, im looking forward to seeing that exact interaction happen!

[@TruzFest]

Honestly a huge oversight is that you can drop multiples of this and get the 2 tokens then buff em with vigilance and haste +2+0 and they both buff eachother the moment you kill the battle, for example, with a shock. making you able to flip the battle instantly again often enough.. its that Boros late game that is perfect but nobody expects

[@showingthelinks8441]

For the lore, Ravi was the planeswalker who set off the apocalypse chime on Ulgrotha and then went crazy until Baron Sengir adopted her but never officially turned her.

[@keithbarlow9701]

Apocalypse Chime...damn that's throwback. Wotc should totally bring back set hosers. Jk. Actually I think people might like a card that says "Destroy all permanents from the *Throne of Eldraine* expansion" 😂

[@casparash5370]

​@@keithbarlow9701😂

[@thade7062]

I dont always play magic but i play a couple sets a year. I always know i can come to you guys and get informed and ready . Thanks for what you guys do for Magic.

[@gkeuler]

Y'all are crazy with Alabaster Host Sanctifier, 2 mana 2/2 lifelinks have been the nearly the best common in every set they have ever been printed into

[@zacharyadler4071]

It’s fine but definitely not the best common. Even in white the 2 mana can’t attack/block/activate aura is better

[@ryanboyington7941]

Thank you guys for getting this video up so quickly

[@superrojo2001]

Assimilate Essence can't be a 2 for 1, you only get the incubate 2 if the controller of the spell pays the 4, it just gives you something in the fail case.

[@alexanderriffe2956]

For Hangar Scrounger you should note that UR really want to cast convoke spells and this lets you rummage every time you convoke.

[@Hypermegaultrasuper]

These set reviews are some of my favourite videos ever. Thanks for continuing to make them! ❤❤❤

[@Luke_Powers]

Great work guys, looking forward to opening ragavan

[@duncanwalla7014]

Super appreciate having this before the pre-release.

[@superrojo2001]

I'm at 38:26 and I'm enjoying watching Luis tilt his head right before reading the next battle while talking about whatever card they're talking about currently.

[@GeoffreyCavalier]

Thank goodness the video editor rotated this for us.

[@MSUHitman]

1:39:09 This combat trick got a good showing during the LRR Pre Prerelease as it broke up some double blocks and almost broke up a quad block.

[@buddabudda]

On one hand, LSV is a madman for doing all this when he clearly isn't feeling well. On the other hand, I'm a madman for listening to his snot for over 4 hours in order to hear a set review.

[@H1LTO]

Worth

[@kelseyo402]

Allergy season just started in Denver and I can tell you I’m doing the same thing as LSV

[@H1LTO]

@@kelseyo402 also me. Cheers neighbor

[@henkdachief]

yeah i had to stop :D i would not take it

[@kotcodee]

Great job as always! ❤ I love how in many cases Marshall is like "meh.." in the begining but then Luis enlightens him and he suddenly turns to "wow!" 😂

[@32french]

Love the set reviews..I watch every time you guys do one!

[@luckyiccy5861]

Marshall's comment about getting rowdy with hagi troll had me spittin my coffee on the way to work this morning. thank you so much

[@bcfblack]

Fantastic review as always. Thanks for rushing to get this out well in advance of the pre-release :)

[@JPEPIC88]

Driving from Vegas to San Diego for the RCQ this is just what I needed for the drive

[@clelvis225]

Good luck!

[@CoreyBMTG]

We do get to see him at the PT! Congrats BK and nice episode Marshall and LSV!

[@Nand1]

Wow, the review is up so early! You love to see it

[@cademadson1917]

Really glad to have this out so early this time around! It's a lot of fun for me to digest and compare how you guys think and when it comes out this early it give me a lot more to enjoy doing so.

[@ben_clifford]

One nice thing about getting the common/uncommon show this early, is that we'll likely get the rare/mythic show before the prerelease

[@kihaslyr]

March of the Machine.

[@theodorestephens2504]

And that’s our show for tonight ladies and gentlemen, make sure to get home safe.

[@makidiaz3894]

@@theodorestephens2504 🤡

[@SickOfItAll1988]

Elesh Norn, MOMmy

[@agrother]

Thanks y'all as always! Much appreciated!

[@TamboFields7822]

You can tell just how beaten down Marshall has been by all of these fast sets recently. He just wants a slow set so bad

[@peppertoni]

This set is looking way more midrange though. There are a lot more strategic decisions to make and battles will prolong the game

[@MordecaiandMonroe]

yea he said please stop giving haste to everything after looking at a red card

[@kellyhoesing2573]

Being able to cast Divination heals the soul

[@MordecaiandMonroe]

@@kellyhoesing2573 gross blue players

[@henkdachief]

i think he just became a better player and slow decks are for beginners and real players play aggro decks and also he plays ranked i bet and that is bo1 and that is certainly not a slow play style by design, it has nothing to do with the format

[@TallestFiddle]

This format looks really exciting. Thanks for the set review

[@epk1987]

1:14:27 -> battles have defense counter, so it works From the Comprehensive Rules (April 14, 2023-March of the Machine) 122.1g The number of defense counters on a battle on the battlefield indicates how much defense it has. A battle with 0 defense is put into its owner’s graveyard if it isn’t the source of an ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack. This state-based action doesn’t use the stack. See rule 704.

[@Nokus416]

Thank you, I was looking for this comment. Yes, the damage on the battles is counters so this does work

[@bravosyx3922]

GOOD LUCK BK!! Great show you guys, really flew by! Great information. Very pumped about this format both limited and constructed.

[@sendjameslove]

2:22:53 Atraxa's fall or any other destroy a battle effect doesn't flip the battle then? Battles specifically needs the defense counters to be removed to trigger? Also, does trample overflow to the player if it removes the defense counters from a battle?

[@MrTybo555]

Correct, the last counter needs to be removed in order for it to exile and you to cast the other side. Meaning you also can't make a copy of it and use the back, as it'll enter with 0 counters and immediately die, but because you didn't remove the last counter it doesn't flip. And no to the trample, just like attacking a Planeswalker doesn't let you trample over to the opponent.

[@bigwig8657]

For 2 color hate spells you are 70% to see an opponent with at least 1 color assuming no splash, not 40%. You are 40% to see any simgle given color on average, ie there are 4 guilds that are white and 7 total that are blue or white out of 10.

[@aidyz3921]

You're absolutely right, it's 70% to see at least one of the two colors. Now, if the question is rather how likely is it for the spell you want to target to be of one of those colors, and we assume on average 50% of each color in two-color decks, you go back to 40%. So I guess that depending on the specific hate spell one of the two questions might be more important than the other one when evaluating it.

[@MarvelOfRain]

@@aidyz3921 Exactly this - for removal like Barrage especially you don't just want a target. Imagine destroying opponents 2/2 white body while huge Grandmother Sengir with flying is killing you. Yes you dealt 5 damage to a creature for 2 mana, but just having a generic 5-6 mana destroy a creature would have been so much better. Now you probably lose.

[@wyatthendrix1215]

@@aidyz3921 yes but you're not going to target a creature with Lithomantic Barrage for example at random, so it doesn't truly go back to 40%. You'll just wait for a target. Yes it's a drawback to not kill whatever creature you want, but that would be too good for 1 mana anyways. But you can just wait for a target, which you'll eventually see against 70% of decks. However, sandstalker moluch may be closer to 40% because you likely can't just choose not to cast it without getting behind if you're opponent doesn't cast one of the spells of those two colors (unless you have something else productive to do with that 3 mana at instant speed).

[@wyatthendrix1215]

@@MarvelOfRain Lithomantic Barage is one mana, so even against a 2/2 it's just a shock, which is usually a fine card in limited anyways, so you're getting good value. Unconditional removal for 6 mana is not always better by any means, otherwise we would never plays cards like strangle, voltage surge, or lightning strike which were both very good cards. It's ideal to just get both. Paying 1 mana to kill your opponents 4/4 or 5/5 then using your other 4 mana to cast a card (especially if it's a haste creature like half of the red ones) gains a lot of tempo. Of course there are games when your opponent plays a bomb and wins, that's just limited, but the alternative is having a 6 mana removal card you can't cast when you really need to remove a 5/4 with trample that's slamming you. Also, It's a red card, it's going in aggressive decks that aren't going to beat strong late game cards anyways.

[@MarvelOfRain]

4:05:00 - not sure if it is aknowledged in the video, but Overloaded Mage Ring can copy any spell including creatures, enchatments etc. I personally think it is more then a C because of that - if you are on the flyer deck you play it on 4, draw some cards and swing one of your 3 mana 2/2 flyers at it. Next turn you swing at it again transform it and you double spell with one of the cards drawn - even if that card is just another 2/2 flyer for three you are looking at 6 flying damage. Pretty good for just curving 2/2 flyer into a card draw spell. The ceilling is also a lot higher for it - it can just as easily copy one of your bombs or a great 2-for-1 card. Probably at least a C+ in my opinion maybe even B- in right decks. The fact that if you top deck it draws you cards to find something to copy also helps a ton. Would be pretty dead later in the game otherwise.

[@williammountfield8508]

You guys are always the best preparation for prerelease.

[@ben_clifford]

Yes, definitely. Luke was a contender, back when he did prerelease videos, but that's been a few years now.

[@IcyScythe]

Adding my thanks to everyone for getting this out so early!

[@UrielZyx]

To Marshall's question regarding Barrage hitting battles: If it hoses specific colors, you don't want to give the owner control over whether they see that color. If I'm playing this in a UR/WR deck it'll deal 5 to the battles I play.

[@aronsandstrom601]

This set looks sweet. I love Backup!

[@mybusiness451]

Hey guys, love the set reviews. The card images being up at the right times and for the right durations could use some work though.

[@lagoondragoon]

What a nice timing guys, thank you for the show as always!

[@yeetgrenade7492]

4:55 explaining mechanics 10:43 first card

[@savinobalducci6148]

the hero of the comment section

[@johnjohnston974]

How slow does the draft format have to be, to want to trade 4-6 OP life to flip a battle?

[@williammountfield8508]

Very.

[@lazerninga]

It takes 4-5 turns dealing that damage to kill, it takes one to flip the battle. If the battle helps ensure you keep swinging, then the battle is worth it.

[@maxbow-arrow5931]

3:24:10 One thing to watch out for is flipping battles with Phyrexian Censor on board. The other side is being cast, so if you cast the battle the same turn as you defeat it, it won't flip (or if you've played any other non-Phyrexian spell that turn).

[@DiviTon]

At 3:51:24 they're discussing Saiba Cryptomancer and Marshall is saying it's a D. This card is essentially Feat of Resistance (I understand protection is better than hexproof) that leaves behind an 0/1. Given how good Feat type cards are, I can't see that being worse than a C-.

[@crazymembrane]

As a note on the battles and how likely you are to see them, there is one in every pack. So you will likely see 15+ of them

[@zacharyenglish2904]

Same with the phyrexian transformers

[@crazymembrane]

@@zacharyenglish2904 My god you're right. So what do you first pick in the 5 rare pack?

[@duty-bounddead6788]

I have a question about Atraxa’s fall @ 2:23:13. If you target one of your own battles, do you get to flip it immediately or does it just go to the graveyard? If it’s the former, it seems like a main deckable card if you put it into a deck with a bunch of your own battle cards.

[@markbrierley6367]

A destroyed battle goes to the graveyard. Flipping is a trigger linked to the last counter leaving it.

[@duty-bounddead6788]

@@markbrierley6367 Darn. That’s really disappointing. Thanks for clarifying.

[@florasplace3404]

Always excited to hear your thoughts on the new cards! I've noticed that I have a different philosophy than y'all with regards to grading on a curve (pun intended). You often give interchangeable 2 drops grades around D through C-, but interchangeable 5 drops often get C+. I have it the other way in my head. Take for example Swordsworn Cavalier and Bonded Herdbeast. You gave the former a C-, and the latter a C+. Sure, the Herdbeast reads well, but how many 5 drops can you really play? The 2nd best common 5 drop in a color is almost always going to shake out at like a C- at best, but more often in the D range. Conversely, the Cavalier is the kind of card that you'll happily play 3 of in any deck with enough knights to support it, which to me says it's probably a C or C+. I think it's important to contextualize how much of a priority a card will be given the availability of slots for that sort of effect, and you guys do that for things like combat tricks and equipment (all but the very premium ones tend to fall below a C).

[@whatdothlife4660]

There are some fringe cases where the haste on Invasion of Kylem has a use. Using Quintorious, Loremaster's ability to return it from the grave, or any other effect that puts permanents onto the battlefield from hand or grave like Invasion of Shandalar.

[@GreyWithAnE]

1:14:11 ...but isn't there a 70% chance your opponent's deck has white or blue? (Or any two colors)

[@JonathanHarvell]

Ichor = Eye-Cur. Looking forward to this set!

[@darrenadamic3465]

Great review!

[@Shawnybravo42]

love the design of the saiba cryptomancer. so many little things for 2 mana. really fun looking card.

[@prospero20000]

These colour hosers are undervalued. You will face one colour or the other 70% of the time, not 40%.

[@grevenill-vec2523]

I feel blessed to have the first march !! Oh my!!

[@LunaLasceria]

Other people have mentioned this, but to state it a bit more precisely: If we make the baseline assumptions that all of our opponents will be playing two colors and each two color pair is equally likely, then you have a 70% chance to be playing against at least one of two colors (e.g. white OR blue).

[@martinprybylski2392]

Did I miss the multiversal legend uncommons? Get one every pack.

[@cardakeys]

LSV is the goat, I respect his opinion as if he was the Pope

[@AB-sw4kb]

no

[@OrsusButcher]

I might have missed lsv correcting himself but the incubate token can be transformed at instant speed.

[@csrjjsmp]

By default I expect the white flicker cantrip will have a lot to do because all backup creatures have ETB abilities and they are almost all playable.

[@jasonbeeler1155]

If you render enert a battle does it transform or just go to the graveyard and not transform?

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

I'm not sold on these Battles because they do almost nothing if you're behind on board. The ETB is always overcosted for its effect alone (four mana to bounce a creature? No thank you!) and then they sit there behind opponent's superior board position with you unable to do anything about them. They don't even act as a deterrent for the opponent's attack, because if you counterattack the Battle then you're just opening the way for them to swing for lethal.

[@H1LTO]

Goats ty for all the content

[@oreszteszmurgacs7689]

YES! Thank you.

[@codyeichler8737]

i think the counters render inert gets rid of will get rid of the defense counters on battles.

[@bblivid]

Botanical Brawler is interesting because if you put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control, it gets an extra counter for each of them (since it seems to check each individual permanent not whether or not any permanent has had a counter on it.) Seems like it can trigger multiple times in a turn this way, and there are a few "put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control" Effects or several incubate multiple times cards. Neat!

[@SupremeChalupaSnoke]

43:26 I think the haste is for 1) Convoke creatures (convoke something big for 1, pump it haste it flip the battle) and also 2) Two-Headed Giant since it’s a Kylem (battlebond) themed card. Pump your teammate’s new creature and they attack the battle, etc.

[@Myket1000]

I don't know if I'm sold on battles being mostly B ratings. They seem either win more, hard to defeat for some colors, or when playing an aggro deck just not worth gaining your opponent life. Some of them are obviously good enough on their front side, but I think maybe the ratings are a tad high on average. My two cents I guess

[@JankTank]

Does Overloaded Mage Ring being able to copy creature spells change anything?

[@ErikTheRedd1]

what about the uncommon multiverse legends?

[@matteverhart8200]

My guess is they’ll address those (especially the most relevant ones) after the rare/mythic show, similar to how they did a little rundown of the artifacts in BRO.

[@alksmdlaks]

I think Scrappy Bruiser is insane when you see what he can do. cast him, next turn swing and target himself, 5/4 trample that gets bounced back to your hand and now you can cast him again that turn and have a 3/4 blocker. He basically has vigilance that you can pay 4 mana for. You can do this every turn until they decide to block and kill him

[@blindsniper66]

We get the review early and LSV got them GUNS OUT son!

[@t-dogn6171]

Thanks

[@JoachimSauer1]

One point about Change the Equation: it can counter the backside of all the battles (as they are cast and have no mana cost, and thus mana value 0).

[@markbrierley6367]

The mana value of flip cards are taken from the front side even if it's on the back.

[@OfficialPizza]

Yeah they changed the rules on mana value for transforming cards so they use the front side mv... Before they adopted the term "mana value".

[@xZuunes]

Lets freaking go!

[@gamereyemd7264]

Vergant earth seems interesting, as you can make your incubated creature token a 4/4 + the counters it had on. I don't think it's a D as they say it is.

[@oldirtysean00]

I’m probably wrong but I think there might be a good blue control deck in this format.

[@dr_volberg]

3:41:54 - You only incubate if they pay the 4.

[@travislannoye8244]

4:22:00 the flavor text on Kitesail is on point 😄

[@ben_clifford]

1:37:26 This thing poops out treasures, and lots of the sacrifice cards can sac artifacts. That seems like a notable synergy, which might make this thing playable.

[@andrewjennings236]

Great work as always! That said I think both invasion of Vryn and invasion of amokhet are being severely underrated. IMO the fact that both don’t affect the board is compensated in their sheer powerlevel. Both front side effects could be considered D level sorcery abilities in many limited formats. That means the backsides are gravy, and the gravy here is game endingly powerful. With backup and plenty of other etb/passive creature effects, the amonkhet backside will do plenty on transformation. The backside of Vryn meanwhile allows you to copy any spell (including permeants) meaning 1 activation will gain back a lot of board presence. 1 more and you are pretty much guaranteed to win. And while yes while you do need to generate board presence after resolving their fronts, having these out will make opponents much more hesitant to attack. Additionally I don’t think this format will be as aggressive as the last 2 thanks to worse/less 1 drops and battles existing. So the tempo hit these give aren’t as backbreaking as they could be.

[@FaithEngine]

Yeah they completely missed that invasion of vryn can copy non-instant & sorcery spells based on their reactions

[@felizpanda]

Fwiw backside of Vryn sacs itself, so there shouldn't be a second activation.

[@parkerolson4509]

What 3 color combo do you think will be the strongest in limited?

[@gkeuler]

Looks to me like fixing goes way up in this set because those multi-color team up legends are all bombs, if the fixing is this set is good it will be a prince set for sure

[@1ogic948]

As for Lithomantic Barrage, I think the reason it's not any target is that it's supposed to be part of the cycle of uncommon color hosers. So, encouraging playing battles of those colors along side Lithomantic Barrage is something I don't think R&D wants for what is supposed to be a color hoser.

[@The.QuasiOG]

Knight of the New Coalition is also going to be fantastic for convoke cards

[@aaronbanse2744]

joyful stormsculptor seems bad since you're not gonna need to convoke much once you've got 5 mana

[@FranciscoFerreira-gc6xu]

This set gonna be amazing. Ravagan turn 1 incoming.

[@BenjaminKlahn]

@1:42:25 Judge, my opponent seems sad which means I get to deal 5 damage to them because they're blue, right?

[@kylekinnear8878]

Fliers are extra good with the battles.

[@drewwalden1718]

I like Converter Beast in decks with pump, convoke, sacrifice, a few of the back up cards. I think it will be better than it looks.

[@CalebAKAOpiesFuneral]

Is there any tier list of all these uncommon and common grade I can look at at a glance?

[@briancarlson9778]

"there is gonna be a lot of battles getting attacked out of nowhere" - A guy whose favorite color is Blue. "Trade? Nope. Face? Yup" A guy whose favorite color is Red.

[@starviper1813]

Are they going to cover the Multiverse Legends?

[@Jomarosi1]

It would be nice if Limited resources would reavaliate cards of the previews set before the new set comes out ... and compare the avaliations with the first avaliation you made :D

[@vladimirberaud7054]

The flip side of batlle of Vryn can copie a creature spell to make a token

[@the_names_rob]

You guys should put the grade next to the card in the videos you make like this

[@wyatthendrix1215]

Noticing some of the cards that interact with 2 specific colors, I feel that saying "40% of the time blank happens" is somewhat incorrect. In limited most decks are 2+ colors (sometimes mono decks happen but not that often) and if you choose any 2 colors it's actually the case that 7 out of the 10 color pairs contain at least one of those colors (so 70%). Of course every deck containing on of these colors isn't necessarily going to cast the color you want, but I'm saying that you can wait for (and likely will have) a target for cards like Lithomantic Barage in 70% of games, when intuitively we might think it was under 50%. This is a big deal when it comes to sideboarding vs main decking for example.

[@ygaudreault]

Bolt the Omen Hawker or nah?

[@t0nberry]

Who does the card/graphic editing? Might need to get some AI tools to help them do a better job

[@cheshirecreeper3743]

The uh...the 3 mana remove a counter from any target permanent...that works with battles. Because battles. Use Defense COUNTERS. That's a big part of battles.

[@jasonlemay1414]

LSV's chest is cold but the suns out so, guns must be out.