Captain Marvel: The Last Avenger - Atop the Fourth Wall

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

Honestly saying Carol Danvers has had it rough on this show is a bit of a understatement

[@charlirenner193]

Hell, she's had it rough in the comic book industry in general.

[@benwasserman8223]

@@charlirenner193 To be fair, most people didn’t know what to do with Carol until 2012. Yeah she appeared in plenty of Avengers comics in the 2000s, but dressing in a one piece with a sash didn’t hurt either. And 90s readers probably knew her best as the reason Rogue gained flight/strength in the X-Men cartoon/comics. And maybe her Avengers EMH appearances too. It’s only after the 2012 run that Carol developed a more coherent identity. So of course then the internet began to freak out about her inclusion in media.

[@FNGLHR]

@@benwasserman8223 A fair, if unfortunate truth, about Carol's difficulties. Can't really argue with you on this one, those points are all pretty spot on. Although not bereft of good stories before that, it's pretty consistent that Carol's evolution in Captain Marvel was what really cemented her true chance to break out into the wider world.

[@Vesperitis]

@@benwasserman8223it says something that a lot of people didn’t know that Rogue got her power set from Carol, considering their first introduction to Rogue was the X-men 90s cartoon, where she had those powers from the start.

[@benwasserman8223]

@@Vesperitis There was a whole episode dedicated to Carol haunting Rogue and how she stole those abilities in the first place. Hard to miss really.

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

Clearly the thing to do with Thor's head is to hollow it out and build a base in it, obviously.

[@psycher7]

Given that's how his father made the sky, I kinda think he'd at least appreciate the symmetry.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

We'll call it Thorwhere.

[@MrVideo-dj7dl]

I would've gone with making it a Halloween decoration given the joke of filling it with candy.

[@MalzraAirwynn]

"Ghost rider is currently in hell and thus unavailable." Gotta love comics to have a sentence like that make sense in context.

[@therealmanos]

This is a fun story. Carol's cool "Evil" suit, Steve's trust of Carol, Thompson's humous dialogue, "Why are they all naked" cracks me up for some reason, and Carol's solution has a Silver Age vibe to it. It kinda reminds me of JLA: A league Of One.

[@RhyperiorRanger]

“Avengers Mountain” sounds like the next Disneyland attraction and DONT try to tell me they wouldn’t do it 😂

[@mttylerdurden9]

After the Star wars hotel failure, probably not anytime soon

[@louisduarte8763]

Don't they already have Avengers Academy or whatever it' called?

[@muigokublack6487]

@@louisduarte8763 Nah you got it right. Avengers Academy in Disneyland California since due to legal issues (Marvel in the 90s signed a perpetual rights deal with Universal Studios Florida to use Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Avengers characters in their parks) Disney can't make one in Florida.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

Disney would absolutely have a giant slain if they can make an attraction out of it

[@GatorRay]

Sounds like an Avengers rebranding of Space Mountain.

[@Fluffkitscripts]

Isn’t it nice to see characters using their mutual trust and diverse skill sets for the better of the world? If only that happened more often in superhero comics…

[@Macrochenia]

Especially in Marvel.

[@phonybeautrain6520]

But if they do that, we would miss another crossover event where everybody is horrible that make you wonder why the heroes of Marvel even bother making team when all they do is fighting each other.

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

Genuinely one of my favorite Carol stories When Steve let her kill him because he trusted she wouldn’t be doing this without a plan just 😭 I love Steve so much

[@GatorRay]

I just realized why he was last. This comic is subtitled "The Last Avenger" And the first Captain America MCU film was called "The First Avenger"

[@RhyperiorRanger]

10:22 Spider-Man to everyone in this room: “First time?”

[@that_guy_you_dont_know8491]

Well, not with thor

[@andrehowardhoward4770]

“What fresh hell does twitter have for ya this morning” Rate limit exceeded

[@danielbrant6740]

_[Snort laugh]_

[@TheLetterJ0]

Remember when that joke would have been about the users being toxic and not the owner actively tearing it apart?

[@FNGLHR]

I still haven't gotten that, I feel so left out of the outrage and anger. I want new reasons to hate Musky! I don't just want to hate him by proxy through the rage of mutuals, I want it to be personal damn it! And I want in on the meme!

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

I feel like sometimes Carol has gotten a bad wrap over the way she has been presented in comics because when you put her in a good story she can really shine

[@son0fgrim]

to bad her writers are terrible.

[@MoojinBoi]

​@@son0fgrimlol not her latest few

[@MusicFan752]

Avengers earths mightiest hero show is a good example of her being a solid character and while I hate anything to do with skrulls secret invasion arc really gave her some great moments.

[@brandonlyon730]

And they just randomly killed off her successor Ms. Marvel in an already terrible Spider-man storyline.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@brandonlyon730yup which was horrible

[@MeliesCinemagician]

Funny bit of dialogue I noticed in the comic scans: "You did your best... it's all any of us could hope for." "Speak for yourself, Steve. You've got an intact trachea and didn't have to be in your bathrobe the whole time."

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

OK I won't lie, The title card in this episode probably one of the best title cards I've seen in AT4W so far, Good job Viga.

[@grandpagohan1]

Seriously, did they have to draw her so damn good!?

[@rajamicitrenti1374]

My guess on the whole "Why couldn't Vox detect X?" thing is that he could only hear the sound waves that hit the suit, but couldn't really know what was happening around her other than speech. So her gathering the clones could easily sounded like prep-work for her fights. But going into the pocket dimension severed the connection to where Vox just couldn't hear anything.

[@GatorRay]

I just find it refreshing to see something involving Carol like this. Even if it isn't a masterpiece.

[@Theokal3]

Same. So many people keep complaining about her and showing only her worst moments as if this was the only thing ever about her. It's nice to be shown a good story^^

[@Mecha82]

Agreed.

[@zemox2534]

Too bad there are more bad Carol stories than good

[@GatorRay]

@@zemox2534 Yeah. That's the most depressing part.

[@Theokal3]

@@zemox2534 Are there, though? Or do people just focus more on the bad ones than the good ones?

[@bizarroguy6570]

3:32 To those wonder what happened to the base, it was brought back to life and past judgement on every single being on Earth only to fuse with the Eternal Ajax, and now waiting on what the people of Earth do now.

[@BronzeBoy520]

I read the story so it makes sense to me, but for those who have not… COMIC BOOKS!

[@brandonlyon730]

I’m honestly not surprised considering how many times Las Vegas has been destroyed in the Marvel universe and it's still considered a city at this point.

[@armandotorres8962]

Linkara Thor: are you on “the drugs”? Captain America warned me about this! One of the best new quotes ever

[@benwasserman8223]

I know Kelly Thompson's Captain Marvel run just ended, but it's definitely Carol's best since the Kelly Sue DeConnick issues. Hell it even works her CWII/SE issues into the story well.

[@wdcain1]

I really liked the CW2 tie-in. For being a one-time villain, Thundersword had a lot of depth.

[@JennyBlaze253]

I'm glad people have been trying to redeem her character. I hate how much Carol was character assassinated in Civil War II.

[@zemox2534]

Her character has been assassinated for a decade now.

[@benwasserman8223]

@@zemox2534 Not for the last four years in comics she hasn't

[@shadowlinkbds]

"Kara Danvers has it rough on this show". That isn't the only place she has it rough tbf.

[@RedDragonM1]

like at the box office, merch sales, and with white dudes she hates.

[@vemoniscool]

⁠@@RedDragonM1i think it’s more white dudes being mad at a drawing since you know she’s not real

[@clearspira]

@@vemoniscool Oh, don't get me wrong, I do agree with you. But the Bree Larson portrayal of the character was rubbish. Gal Gadot acted her off the screen. Maybe she'll pull it back in The Marvels, but superhero film fatigue is a real thing imo.

[@Martynde]

@@vemoniscoolthe drawing is real. People have been getting mad at drawings for thousands of years.

[@Mecha82]

@@clearspira There was no problem with Brie Larson's portrayal. Only that angry white men hate her and didn't even try to understand her arc in her own movie.

[@jacobwilliams1223]

For what it is worth, Carol seems to be on a bit of a good upswing now. Her recent run with Kelly Thompson was fantastic and some of the best character work done in years. The new Avengers run also has Carol as the leader and so far it has been quite the ride and she is showing she is good in the role. So in spite of all the crap given to her over the years, least she has an optimistic future.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

Wow turns out having bad writers work on a character can really hurt that character

[@DJtheChaos246]

I thought Vox Supreme was trying to harness the power of Monster energy drinks. Just look at his colors.

[@thenightstar9]

Or joined D-Generation X. And if you're not down with that, Vox Surpreme's got two words for ya.....

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

It's always really good to see a character who has a lot of bad comics get presented on this show get a good one to talk about

[@mikegates8993]

How awkward would it have been if this villain wanted Caral to kill the core Avengers only for them to already be dead because of random comic shenanigans? Also was Tony still an AI when this happened or was that reversed by time this happened? Or has it not been reversed yet?

[@AT4W]

Since she can break his throat, I'm guessing he was back to being flesh and blood.

[@FNGLHR]

Tony had long since returned to normal by this point, as this was post-Secret Empire and in the middle of Jason Aaron's Avengers run that saw the superhero group get "back to basics" more or less.

[@skyslasher2297]

@@AT4Wit’s complicated he’s the ai Tony put in an organic body.

[@getschwifty5537]

Would have been extra awkward if Vox considered Hulk a core Avenger and if this was set during Immortal Hulk while the green door was open. "Hey Vox, so... about *killing* this target? That simply isn't possible anymore. Like by decree of freaking The One Above All, or at least his evil counterpart. Just literally impossible."

[@shadowldrago]

I'm just glad this isn't an "Evil Carol" story.

[@bthsr7113]

Props to Viga, Carol looks great in the thumbnail.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

It's kind of surprising to me how much of a hard time/also bad time showing Carol Danvers emotions and feelings in the comics and the films

[@chrisdiokno5600]

I'm sorta glad we're on a vid about Carol being more likeable. Also I just remembered her tall buff blue half sis

[@Bro2christ]

The first time I've heard about Carol was when Rouge stole her powers

[@Vesperitis]

I wonder if Cap saying “I yield” is a play on his old cartoon theme song. Also, Carol wielding Mjolnir and Cap’s shield at the same time makes me wanna see her go one on one with Superman.

[@eamonndeane587]

Hyperion from the Squadron Supreme would be the next best option.

[@tjjordan4207]

There is one way you could go about doing Carol Danver’s origins for Secret Origins. Just do a retrospective (similar to that of Cassandra Cain) of her origins and introduction to Marvel, even if it is confusing and complicated.

[@ToHoldNothing]

Given there are supposedly 5-6 different Captain Marvels, to my knowledge, if not more. I don't know if there's any character alias in DC used that much, though there's probably someone that's changed aliases as much as Hank Pym has, iirc (Giant Man, Ant Man, Yellowjacket, a few others)

[@annamelissinos2478]

Or just cover both her first appearance and her first time as Miss Marvel. He has covered multiple stories in past episodes such as the batman and cat woman episodes.

[@SCWRMComms]

When it comes to merging two villains in one on the Marvel side, i think Bastion was the best result because the components (Nimrod and Master Mold) while absolutely iconic in their designs (can't argue with the King) faired ok at best in personality and motivation, while their fusion was pretty much THE de facto ultimate sentinel menace for the X-Men. -Teo

[@SCWRMComms]

I'd be ok even with just the X-Men 97 new series. A lot of stuff and new characters were introduced to the mutants, there's so much they can do. -Teo

[@ShanaReviews]

Fun Wholesome fact for Carol: Ever wonder WHY they changed her outfit from the swimsuit to the one she's known for now adays? The writer (or artist can't remember) wanted to change her outfit because he had a young daughter at the time and if by chance, she would get into comics through Carol and maybe dress up like her, he didn't want his child to wear the og outfit but something better appropriate cause, you know she was a kid at the time. and while I love Carol's Ms.Marvel outfit, I totally get where they were coming from and thought that was a wholesome reason to make such a change and not "Yeah i'm changing the outfit because i'm trying to support feminists and the OG outfit is sooooo degrading"

[@reynellfreeman8761]

the og outfit will aways be the best IMPO

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

I prefer her AEMH costume, Similar to the original, but without the chest window

[@ShanaReviews]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 you know what, i agree as well. It felt like rhe perfect blend of her classic outfit and her Ms.Marvel attire while also probably homaging Moonstar when she was The Dark Avenger's Ms.Marvel

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

@@ShanaReviews You mean Moonstone right?

[@ShanaReviews]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 yes, sorry about that

[@ladyaceina]

i like that steve trusted carol right away also side note carol has been known to tease steve that she out ranks him when you compare their military ranks (do to the fact they both have captain in their name)

[@clearspira]

I always thought army and air force ranks were the same, its navy captain that is higher. (She is still air force right? They haven't changed that? I genuinely don't know.)

[@ladyaceina]

@@clearspira carol is not a captain in the airforce i forget what her rank is but it is higher captain marvel is just her super hero name

[@ryice944]

​@@ladyaceinashe and rhodey have the same rank as cordials

[@phantomslay5612]

What really irritates me is that a lot of people use Carol's poor depictions in the comics as an excuse to hate on every iteration of her before they've even given them a chance.

[@Savagewolver]

Honestly, the tony mentioning civil war 2 thing killing him in the fight would have been hilarious.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Oh yeah I remember this storyline this was the story where Captain marvel pretend to be evil and killed the avengers clones to infiltrate a evil organization it was a crazy story that was really funny but also dark humor at least in my opinion. :)

[@EHH246]

“T-minus… does it matter anymore?” I love when comics do stuff like that.

[@chasemaddigan9810]

Gotta be honest, I had to look up if Captain Crypto was a real supervillain because I wouldn't put it past Marvel have a character based around NFTs.

[@alexlandsbergs]

captain crypto is just elon musk's secret identity.

[@louisduarte8763]

With the subtlety of their last few events, that wouldn't surprise me.

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

A positive thing I can say about Vox Supreme is that he looks like a Yautja with the Venom symbionte, and that's cool

[@SageofStars]

Captain Marvel is a good character, I swear. That said, her biggest pop culture reference before the movies was being in a coma and giving Rogue her super strength and flight, along with being so pissed off about that that Prof X had to help Rogue 'seal' her evil side up inside Rogue's mind. Also...I know it's a stretch, and you didn't do it for Hank Pym, but couldn't you do both for her Secret Origin month? After all, she's a side character in her first appearance, not even the villain of the piece like Black Widow.

[@eamonndeane587]

Carol also had a great depiction in 'Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes' where she was voiced by Female Captain Shepard herself, Jennifer Hale.

[@SageofStars]

@@eamonndeane587 She was GOOD there, yes, but also very limited due to her appearance being season 2, and thus having to split screen time with a LOT of other stories, most especially that excellent version that show had of Secret Invasion(Seriously, it's fantastic), and even Red Hulk's stuff. That show also, sadly, never really hit pop culture the way the 90s X-Men did due to being on Disney only, and then DisneyXD(I think it was still Jetix at the time, but don't quote me) for some of the latter half of that season). All that said, yes, good show, certainly better than her Avengers Assembled appearances...that however was due to mandates outside the writing staff, so I'll allow it.

[@Macrochenia]

@@eamonndeane587 Not only did Jennifer Hale voice her on that show, she used her FemShep voice for it.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@Macrochenia She really does have a wide range voice, if I recall she’s also the official voice of Disney’s Cinderella now.

[@eamonndeane587]

@@brandonlyon730 Bastila Shan from KOTOR is my personal favourite role of Hale's, though Carol Danvers is a Close second place.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

13:26 Ah so I see that Vox Supreme has also seen Zambot 3.

[@maxxjapan619]

Singularity first appeared in the A-Force tie-in for the 2015 Secret Wars event, and the also showed up in the A-Force ongoing that spun out of that event. Haven't really caught up on what she's been up to after that though. Although I always imagined Hyden Welch (Starfire from the Teen Titans cartoon) voicing her (same with Viv Vision, oddly. I guess I just like her voice). Also, PLEASE say the 2015 Secret Wars will be in the next Event Comics Month. I love that book, one of the few great Marvel events, in my opinion.

[@AT4W]

If people want the 2015 Secret Wars, they'll have to vote for it. The list includes EVERY event comic and patrons vote on which ones to do.

[@jeremy1860]

Gotta say I am really loving the title picture you got for this video. Way better than the comic's official art actually 😊

[@ajsparrow4429]

Carol Danvers became my top hero in Marvel Comics This whole series was an incredible run that helped her shine.

[@MichaelSmith-fq6hz]

I suddenly remembered you live in Minnesota as soon as I heard you pronounce Palo Alto. Palo rhymes with tallow.

[@aarononeil9832]

At the very least, this episode managed to show Carol when she's actually a good character, which is all was really needed. There's nothing specifically wrong with her generally but she does seem to have unfortunately been involved in a lot of stinkers, so it's nice to at least be reminded that she CAN be used well

[@DoctrDoc]

Best Joke opportunity missed. "We could even hollow out the skull and fill it with plumbing!"

[@JennyBlaze253]

I really hope this goes on his next "Missed Opportunities" list.

[@daleksec4636]

7:09, love Shadowstone Park and Filmcow references here!

[@BaithNa]

I remember jumping into this story at the part where Carol confronts Steve and being so confused Then I went back and read the rest and I think its crazy that they actually teased the death of ALL of the Avengers because there's no way Marvel would do that

[@daelen.cclark]

The fresh hell Twitter has for me is the fact I can’t get to see accounts without getting a Twitter account. I hate that.

[@meganpayette5996]

I know your pain.

[@ОлександрІгнатенко-в7т]

The concept of this comic reminds me of "JLA: A League of One" about Wonder Woman. I would love to see a review of this story as well.

[@justinriley]

The Kelly Thompson run of Captain Marvel is arguably the best the character has had. But this is not the best arc in the book.

[@mttylerdurden9]

I heard the Brian Reed run was pretty good

[@benwasserman8223]

All the Binary stuff was great. She's like Starfire, but even more a cinnamon roll.

[@snakeeyes8777]

​@@benwasserman8223What do you mean she's a cinnamon roll?

[@benwasserman8223]

@@snakeeyes8777 Adorable and naive, but also super deadly.

[@FNGLHR]

There are certainly better arcs, but this one was the least recent and it sorta meant a lot to me as I was extremely negative about it in the leadup to the release date and turned around on it pretty quickly when I realized what it was trying to do.

[@joeb8935]

The shadowstone park reference was a surprise, but a welcome one

[@andreworders7305]

9:48 yeah, his friends do that to him weirdly often

[@squeethemog213]

I'm only about half way thru the vid but man. Something about this is really fun. That thumbnail looks so cool. The villain has a kick ass name. The joke are really landing for me. Idk. But I like it 😊

[@kinght676]

I love the thumbnail nice job Viga!!!

[@AzguardMike]

gotta love how Steve takes one look a Carol and just goes "I yield" He is a gentleman from the 1940's.

[@flyingfist4203]

That's a pretty sick thumbnail!

[@MiniMackeroni]

I realize "Shut up, it's comic books", but I thought they were going to do something clever in that since she delivered clones, they wouldn't HAVE the "memories and experiences" of the originals, thus it wouldn't really work.

[@jorgeneedssleep7978]

Linkara said that Vox Supreme first appeared in this story arc, but he actually first appeared in the Death of the Inhumans. And Singularity dates back to the A-Force ANAD run.

[@AshuraH]

A little further with Singularity - the A-Force Secret Wars mini

[@noir-214]

5:19 Be good for Halloween, Moarte would approve

[@cherry-cj9iq]

I actually like this storyline a lot, even if the villain is kinda boring. A good 7.5/10, it's better than what we get here most of the time! Yay! And as someone who doesn't really know Captain Marvel too much, this is great! It's good, it gave me a bit of a glimpse of what a good Carol story is like, and it was sweet to see things ending well. Nice. Also next review is gonna be a manga… time for me to get my anime t-shirts ready

[@colinbentley3984]

This is the most positive review of this story arc I've heard.

[@grandpagohan1]

Why do the evil suits always look so goddamn cool! And Carol's looking cute as fuck in that title card.

[@johndavidtibbetts7320]

yeah using Last Avenger as a showcase of how great the Thompson run is was not the smartest move on the part of the patron. I don't even quite know which specific arc would be best, as the run is strongest when taken as a whole rather than pieces

[@FNGLHR]

I just want to show Carol at some of her best, even if the story wasn't perfect. I felt it was solid enough as it was to best show how Carol functions as a hero. That she's not stupid or a dumb brick, that she has a lot more in her trunk than just sparkle fists. I admit it's not the most spectacular arc, but it meant a lot to me because it got me to trust Thompson with the character and as a writer.

[@deltaprime3509]

I had a feeling he would say that and what a weird choice still better than the other Carol stories on this channel he has covered hopefully she get her chance to shine.

[@WaryObserver]

Something that always bothers me with "hero gone evil" stories is how "accepting" the other heroes always are. Like we have literal clones here, and no one even seems to ever bring up the possibility in such stories about them being clones, mind controlled or whatever, things they all clearly encountered before. It always feels odd, but hey, comic books are comic books.

[@93MANIAC]

I wonder if Tony keeps leaked state secrets in his swanky bathroom

[@heathcook9754]

Linkara doesn't do dick jokes often, but when he does, they are gold.

[@TheNukaColaMan10]

I just wanna say Viga’s thumbnail art this week was cute and awesome

[@mattwo7]

19:21 I mean hyperthermia is a known cancer treatment. There's also HIFU which uses sound waves, so theoretically DC speedsters could probably just vibrate the cancer cells to death.

[@JohnnyElRed]

Does anyone else think that the reveal that Carol wasn't actually killing the Avengers came way too early? It would have been better and more suspenful if they kept that hidden for longer.

[@Cdr2002]

They had to reveal it early because of how crappy other books had been treating the character up to that point

[@alexandersturnn4530]

Eh, maybe they feared Fans would drop the book in disgust and write it off as yet another case of 'Writers shitting on Carol and trying to turn her evil' if they drew the reveal out for longer? Just guessing here, of course.

[@The_AGL_Group]

Yeah, not to mention that waiting until the end to make the reveal would have fans thinking it was backpedaling, chickening out of having her actually kill everyone. Ripping off the band-aid early was the right call. If this were adapted into a movie, then yeah, saving the reveal until near the end would be the dramatic right call, but as Linkara said in regards to Steevil holding Mjolnir, the time gap between issues and the length of story arcs makes pulling this off in comic books a longer-term concern for reactions.

[@Macrochenia]

Having a character pretending to have turned evil and only reveal at the very end that they're really doing a plan against the bad guy the whole time is too cliche. Most readers would have guessed that was going to happen right way.

[@FNGLHR]

@@Macrochenia Yeah, I have reservations about it, but ultimately it was the better choice. Her fans had all guessed there was more to it than what it looked like by the end of issue one. Keeping it secret would've been insulting at that point. And given more fuel to the CHUDs who just despise her and are obsessed with finding new reasons to hate her.

[@haloreaper4938]

Her latest books are awesome . I have them all 50

[@williamgreci8219]

Around when I first heard about this story, one of the most recurring responses I had stumbled across was variations on "FINALLY! Why did it take so long for this villain to drop the hero pretense"? Kind of reminds me of something Linkara brought up about the Guardians of Oa in his "Blackest Night" review. And the matter was not helped by comments complaining about Carol wielding Mjolnir as a sign of her "being handed everything without any consequences or character". This was also around when I stumbled across comments from people who felt like Jen Walters was stripped of her unique identity and reduced to a female clone of her cousin for reasons focused entirely on the way she looks. (Makes me wonder how long it will take before someone uses the Patreon slot to pay Linkara for his take on what happened to Jen. But I digress.) So yeah, I struggle to think about this comic without thinking about those comments and the headaches surrounding Carol Danvers. The movie that came out in 2019 only helped so much. I enjoyed watching it well enough when I went to the theater, but it had its own controversial reception around that time. Especially the actress playing Carol Danvers. And I shot my mouth off about it in such a way that it still haunts me whenever I think about Brie Larson. Point is, I don't like the way the thing between my ears viewed Carol Danvers in 2019.

[@opjm8664]

14:48 When Captain America drops his mighty shield♪ To all that oppose that shield, he will yield♪

[@Valdagast]

Any day when Linkara posts a new episode is a good day.

[@Nunubotz2]

spectacular art for the thumbnail i love it, is the POV of linkara getting killed lmao.

[@cinomaticsith]

Ooh a review on a Monday. Its been a while since thats happened on this ahow.

[@anneginzburg1362]

I know this is a coincidence, but a sound-based villain who's taken out by a device that dampens their frequency and a hero who ends up being on the side of the bad guys unintentionally and has to apologize reminds me a lot of A Voice from the Dark.

[@monkeykingw]

So what's funny is, I've recently read Secret Wars and the tie-in to it A-Force So I actually know who Singularity is, and that's a fun use of her.

[@ZannacrossG1]

Now I want Spiderman or Batman to own Captain Kryto...wait is that a REAL thing or...not?

[@alexlandsbergs]

pretty sure captain crypto is just elon musk.

[@1rhpsfan]

A Super villain related to sound, where have I heard that one before? Also, can we do The Time Warp again?

[@DarkOverlord96]

Oh God, I honestly forgot that this was around the time when She-Hulk basically became "Hulk with boobs." Wasn't this also around the same time Jason Aaron made that one Avengers issue with the scene where he basically said (through Jen, by the way) that his take on She-Hulk was better than her classic "sexier" portrayal and it then backfired SPECTACULARLY because she reverted back to her old self at the end of the run? Good times.

[@Dynaman21]

Yeah, he was trying to cover that Hulk was unavailable due to Immortal Hulk being a big success.

[@bizzerdman2093]

There never was an issue where he said that. The closest to that was Jen saying she was going to at least enjoy the time not being a sex object while she was still stuck with that form. She was still trying to get back to her old self. Her story arc was about recovering and and trying to fix herself from what happened in civil war 2. And she did.

[@BodySprayMan]

I recall an issue from Aaron's run where she mentioned she got mad at Bruce for saying he was jealous of her and how easier her life was compared to him. She mentioned she wanted to hit him for that and that he doesn't understand her "pain". And... like, yes, sexual harassment and unwanted attention can be a problem obviously. Jen can have her own trauma... but what the hell? Hulk's issues are waaaaaaaaaaaay worse than hers by a country mile. How can she be so goddamn insensitive and not understand that?! His own wife was blown up in front of him, he's been betrayed numerous times by his friends, he's been raped more than once (one of which happened under Jason Aaron's pen), and more. Hulk has it way worse! Also, I hate that in general too, comparing people's traumas to say which one is worse. Such a tacky, ugly move by a writer.

[@Macrochenia]

@@BodySprayMan Especially when it comes to a character like She-Hulk, who has long had a major theme in her stories being about how unlike virtually every other hero in Marvel, her life has massively improved thanks to becoming a superhero.

[@notmyname5591]

It was always going to revert back. As all changes do nowadays.

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

Oh on a Monday!

[@Thoran666]

Not just a good comic but also a great review. Some of Linkara's comments like the intern not needing the head were disturbingly funny.

[@DanBrizuela]

I would love for the MCU to give us a sentient pocket universe. Crazy? Sure. But so was a talking raccoon and sentient tree

[@armandotorres8962]

Am I the only one who thinks Vox Supreme looks kinda like Lord Vice? I even read his speech bubbles like Vice.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

i feel bad for all the Carol Danvers fans when a "it's ok at worst, decent at best" is something they have to showcase but yeah is nice to see a Heroes punching Heroes plot where they can have the cast be smart for once... also the Avengers of all teams live together, they're the ones who should be able to just disagree maturely

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

5:32 The credits page is honestly undersestimated and underrated. It can be the key factor that puts you up to date with what's going on, and what lets ANY comic book (especially one of MARVEL's and DC's ongoing books) to be kinda accesible for new readers, and be their introduction to this crazy world 5:46 Funny enough, according to the marvel database site, Vox and Vox supreme are 2 different characters. Vox normal is the one who nearly wiped out the inhumans. Vox supreme only debutted in last issue 13:42 Thank goodness this was during the time "Immortal Hulk" stuff was happening, meaning Carol could legit go all out and try to kill Jen, and she will just recover from it during the night and be back the next day..... ALTHOUGH That is still risky given she will at least be traumatized by the whole "green door" stuff 17:15 Still better than Jason Aaron having Carol joke about how she should kill Tony for being such a jerk, in his Avengers run

[@earth_5496]

"When get right down to it, I'm the hero... This is my story!" "What?" "Carol, come in! It's Tony- I've figured out how his sound powers work! No matter what happens, you can not let him start laughing!"

[@JennyBlaze253]

So, rewatching this video, I'm reminded once again of the terrifying implications of Carol absorbing the energy from Jen's brain to incapacitate her. Like, I had no idea at the time Carol could do that (originally just thought she only emitted energy and had flight powers till I checked the wiki and confirmed energy absorption was part of her powerset) so it all came out of nowhere for me. Not to mention that removing the electricity from someone's brain could potentially cause severe brain damage and death. Like, Jesus, Carol!! As someone who has a superhero OC from a tabletop campaign who also has energy absorption powers, I hope I never see a scenario where my character is turned evil. Imagine the implications...

[@wstine79]

I would like to see this Evil Captain Marvel suit in an upcoming movie

[@mathieuleader8601]

Vox Supreme looks like the personification of the original Monster Energy drink

[@clarktooncrossing3975]

“SHEILD was trying to make xenomorphs.” I wish! C’mon Marvel, you have Aliens now, DO A CROSSOVER PRETTY PLEASE!

[@bizzerdman2093]

Kinda tricky since they already have the Brood. But hey at least wolverine is going to fight a predator soon.

[@clarktooncrossing3975]

@@bizzerdman2093 Yeah, that’s gonna be cool!

[@myriadmediamusings]

Now I'm just imagining how awkward this whole situation woulda been if she was forced to do this to the All New All Different Avengers, and one of those she needed to off was Kamala Khan.

[@LordSchattenwind]

This whole story feels very contrived. Especially most of the stuff with Vox Supreme. But yes, this story does show a better side of Carol than Avengers 200 and Civil War II.

[@jackwells8107]

1) I'd say they didn't know Carol was in project gemini, because they couldn't tell where she was exactly, only when she disappeared completely. Remember, she said she couldn't tell the other Avengers what was going on, so some type of audio monitoring must have been happening. 2) It would be really hard to do Secret Origin months for Carol - I'd say you do her first appearance in Marvel Super Heroes 13, Captain Marvel (vol 1) 18 (where she's exposed to the Psychemagnetron)her first appearance as Ms. Marvel in Ms. Marvel 1, plus 2 and 4, where we find out how she became MM and how SHE learned she was.

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

Oh, Carol...while taking the Captain Marvel name was an earned promotion, it was also around the time Marvel decided she didn't need a personality. Which is around the same time they were trying to develop the movie. Unsurprisingly, when you have good writers who actually remember that a character needs to be a character rather than simply exist for people to like them, we end up liking them. She's leading the team at the moment and there are absolutely no problems with that because she is being ring that someone who is struggling to solve a complicated problem by a competent writer who doesn't just have everyone else pat her on the back. It's a relief that she got stories like this. It's not exactly groundbreaking, don't much like some of the better Superman stories she is placed in a dilemma where she needs to get creative. The solution is not easy and she goes through the wringer to get it done. It's not amazing, but it's appreciated.

[@Didymus20X6]

"HEAD A SPLODE!" Ah, good ol' Vector Strong Bad.

[@sscool100]

It’s so refreshing to see something positive on Carol, I mostly just see negative takes on her which just soured me on the character. I know she has better stories now but for a while it just seemed like she was the bit of a bunch of jokes

[@SageofStars]

A lot of that is because HER writers never got to do much input into the big company wide crossovers, you know, the ones that marvel actually likes to push, promote, and do other stories with. So her parts in those tend to be either minimal, imply something cool but never show it(House of M is a fantastic example there, as her tie in is excellent, but her part in the main story is meh), or worse, assassinate her character for the sake of the plot they want to tell.