Why is Everyone Buying This Controller?

[@b_g]

ah yes the Submarine controller

[@capichow]

😂

[@tsu177]

alot of military applications make use of normal controllers because they are already designed well for human input, so its not just that specfic submarine

[@capichow]

🤣🤣🤣🏆

[@capichow]

I like ps3 controllers still Genuine ones With PC desktop nvidia plasma

[@MancunianManxman]

*submersible

[@Landscape_]

playing subnautica with that controller is the ultimate inmersive experience

[@michelhernandez3488]

Which controller are you referring to? (of all those mentioned)

[@jodaf1n_67]

​@@michelhernandez3488 he refers to the logitech which the OceanGate submarine used

[@HarshKumar-gh9uc]

While driving the cyclops🙃

[@yhunterz6954]

@michelhernandez3488 the Logitech one, cause it was the controller used on the submarine who disappeared

[@michelhernandez3488]

@@yhunterz6954 Thanks, now I understand, I didn't realize it was a joke.

[@doctorobvyous]

I participated in FIRST robotics in highschool. My team was entirely self funded, zero recognition from the school. The F310 was a more than servicable input device for prototyping, testing features, and even for use in competition. Sometimes you dont need a perfect controller, sometimes you just need cheap and easy input devices.

[@simonarthur499]

Nice. Competed in World's the year it was in St Louis. FIRST robotics is great

[@rebelone1114]

I also had extensive use with these things in my FTC days :D

[@Avruthlelbh]

Good thing there's now better options for the same price.

[@yaboistewbot]

@@doctorobvyous my team, robohawks 346, went to worlds last year and it was amazing.

[@SonicBlueTyphoon]

Hey! I’m also a mentor in First Robotics for my high school I used to go to. We also use an Xbox controller for our input. Small world!

[@RavenGlenn]

I'm glad 8bitdo is getting the respect they deserve, but the 8bitdo Pro 2 is the best damn controller around.

[@rrrr6863]

Facts, I LOVE mine. Makes all my Nintendo switch games not feel laggy. I keep it in 2.4 hz and can okay lag free from 20 feet away. Not to mention, hall effect sticks, programmable back buttons and a REALLT cool hassle free charging stand that looks GOOD with the inderect LED strip that comes on when you set the controller down to charge! And OH YA, AN AWESOME SPOT FOR DONGLE for safe storage!

[@Huuuuuuue]

@@RavenGlenn It's a nice controller but I've been absolutely floored by the quality to price in Flydigi's controllers, where you can get mechanical face buttons, Hall effect sticks, analog / digital trigger switches, and programmable extra face and back buttons for like $70 when most other controllers with those features start at twice that.

[@cmaxz817]

Fellow 8bitdo Pro 2. I'm absolutely floored with the seamless feature to connect between Switch and Xbox/PC. I don't have PS and I don't plan to own one anytime soon since their game library sucks.

[@1ordTakeo]

@@RavenGlenn Yes YES I AM NOT INSANE!

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@rrrr6863 2.4? The Pro 2 doesn't have a 2.4 ghz dongle.

[@danilodjurovic8445]

I'm not an aggressive person, but if you gave me 5 minutes with the person that decided to put 4cent potentiometers in 100E+ controllers, I would be locked away for a long time.

[@CanIHasThisName]

At this point, the only possible explanation is that they want their controllers to fail so that people to keep buying new ones.

[@VitalVampyr]

@@CanIHasThisName To be fair the cap on the sticks or the stabilizing springs usually wear out beyond usability before the potentiometer. Same with the spring in the triggers. At least this was true before the people apparently started to expect controllers with analog sticks to survive being roughly stuffed into a pocket or backpack.

[@dazombiekilla9990]

ah yes, arguments as to why expensive tech shouldnt be improved in one of the most obvious and lowest cost way possible ​@VitalVampyr

[@genesisfan029]

Nobody is scared of you so just stop. You wouldn’t do anything.

[@Sonikadu]

@@CanIHasThisName having an internal battery instead of using AA or AAAs is complete death sentence, in about 2 to 4 years none of those controllers will be working. My Xbox360 is just fine here. It is VERY difficult to find an 100% non-modified PS3 controller still working (without cables, of course)

[@ShreddedShredder0]

The fact that wireless latency is shorter than wired latency is just crazy.

[@paul2609]

It's just the difference in polling rate: 125Hz wired vs 1000Hz wireless. If it's 1000Hz wired then it should match or beat 1000Hz wireless.

[@Woot-2]

Dualsense can be overclocked to 8000Hz on a wired pc connection with a little work (:

[@Leedzboyz]

@@Woot-2 not much work at all just download the software and change the rate in like 2 clicks😂

[@TheAbdID]

@@Woot-2 no zhats not working at all. Its olly repeating the same input 8 times. Just look it up

[@MV-ri7zu]

​@@Woot-2yeah, but that is the worst thing you could do lol

[@Cronosonic]

The reason people like the F310's D-pad is because it's a _Sega-style_ pad, which a lot of people swear by due to functioning in a different way from Nintendo-style d-pads. There's very few controllers these days that use a Sega-style d-pad, outside of actual throwback pads like 8Bitdo's own M30 pad or Retro-Bit's Sega controllers, such as the Saturn Pro (which has hall effect sticks!) Edit: Just for additional context for those who don't wanna look at the replies: It's the "floating" d-pad style that still feels good to use but also provides better feel and handling for diagonals, which is why a lot of fighting game players prefer it, but it's good for any game where you don't want analog control but also better handling for complex digital inputs.

[@Catorlyt]

Why do people like sega dpads? What do they do differently?

[@joshua_lee732]

I agree I love the D pad on mine. Plus the buttons work though the sticks do drift on mine. But it's cheap enough I can replace the controller and pretty much get the same thing I already have but new

[@GUCFan]

@@Catorlyt For some its because they're amazing for fighting games, being able to quickly tell if you're hitting your corners while trying to pull off a special move and whatnot.

[@Catorlyt]

@@GUCFan like 8 directions instead of 4 or?

[@GUCFan]

@@Catorlyt 8 directions yeah, the way a Sega style d-pad is made, you have a better time telling if you're hitting a corner direction.

[@ExtraTrstl]

I haven't tried it personally but hear me out: The floating D-Pad on that Logitech sounds AWESOME. Because you're not grabbing the controller with hands straight on, but at an angle. Put your hands out like you're holding an "air controller" and Move your left thumb "up", it doesn't go up but performs a small arc with a not insignificant curve to it. The floating d-pad will track your thumb as it's actually moving across the controller (again, not having used it) theoretically allowing for a more natural movement, especially when moving between d-pad directions (think, 180 move from "up to down"). It moving also helps prevent those thumbs sores which are a result of this very phenomenon - stiff, immutable d-pads and a higher-than-needed applied force with your thumb used to compensate for the angled movement (i.e., you push harder to ensure you're rotating the "right" way on the d-pad). I think it might be less specific for purely directional button presses (i.e., hitting "left then up then left" rather than a singular movement of left-to-up-to-left) but otherwise I'm... realllly interested in that floating d-pad design.

[@Forlong21]

That Logitech controller is a staple of robotic teams also

[@Marauder-q2v]

and in deep ocean exploration... well was

[@MountainWo1f]

Much agreed. was the almost the only controller I saw in FTC (first tech challenge) and common place in FRC (first robotics competition). The xbox controller was becoming common place in more recent years.

[@joshua_lee732]

That's because it uses USB 2 and has a very open spec sheet

[@christophermullins7163]

That's neat AF. Robotics are such a sexy thing for a tech and mech geek.

[@Tuatha_De_Gaming]

@@MountainWo1f much*

[@brittb1696]

It really does need to be said more often: "disposable batteries" can also be "rechargeable batteries." We've had rechargeable AAs since before I was born. Frankly, they're the more ecological option, compared to "battery life has run out, time to through out the whole controller."

[@rogerjones]

Came here to say this. I don't want a controller that can't accept replaceable batteries. I have rechargeables and when my device says my controller is running low, I swap them with another set that are all charged up. I don't have to choose between not playing or being chained to a device/wall so it can charge while I'm playing.

[@StuffTested]

This is why I wish 18650 batteries were more replaceable without soldering.

[@Jaysonsrage]

I hate integrated batteries SO MUCH!! That's the reason I never picked up an Elite V2. I adore my V1 and would like an upgrade but adding an integrated battery is an objective downgrade to me

[@mitrovarr]

​@StuffTested they certainly exist with button tops, just like a giant AA cell. Too bad few devices use them.

[@admaerable]

I don't understand how someone can prefer built-in batteries over replaceable AAs. Linus reaction to 8bitdo was pure cringe "Oh wow! That controller will die in a couple of years! How nice!"

[@silokhawk]

The 8bitdo d-pad is modeled after the SNES one, which gamers who use it over the stick swear by. The Xbox d-pad being low and clicky is because most modern games only use it now for hotkeys. It's not ideal for primary use. I feel like you'd have to be one of those people who would boot up a NES emulator and play games with the stick to somehow think the 8bitdo/Logitech d-pad is subpar.

[@lesfrisbees]

@@silokhawk I love the Xbox Series clicky d-pad for all uses. It’s so much more crisp and precise for me. That said, the 8BitDo Ultimate edged out the Xbox One and Series controllers for my favorite. I have the regular Ultimate that came with a charging dock, and I’m considering getting the 2C for its better input latency.

[@XionSteel]

To be fair, when i use my sn30pro i sometimes need to swap to using the stick if i need to make fast back and forth movements, also it being 4 directions means you can't roll it. That said, i do mindlessly swap back and forth between the d-pad and stick as i play so that says more about it then just saying its bad.

[@epocfeal]

You don't have to be some hard core gamer to realize you get faster and more precise input on a DPAD for 2d platformers. Linus compliments the deadzone of the sticks while playing super meat boy- you know what physically can't even have a dead zone? A dpad- this is insane I know I can hardly believe it

[@keir92]

This is why the PlayStation stick layout is clear. I can’t use the dpad for those serious dpad games without it being in the primary position, but I can use the stick if it’s low down.

[@NickBaysingar]

I wish 8BitDo would make an Xbox style controller with the Sega style d-pad that their M30 controller has. That has always been my favorite kind of d-pad and it gets overlooked so much with modern controller designs.

[@ubaidhunts]

0:28 29.99$ “less than 30 dollars”

[@EnricoPadovan-xk4ps]

he also said that it often gets discounted down to 20, so yh it can be less than 30 dollars

[@LordHonkInc]

The first third-party controller that really impressed me was the 8bitdo SN30 Pro. Once the Ultimate with the Hall-effect sticks came out, it was a no-brainer. Hands down _the_ best controller I've ever had. Keep your HD rumble, keep your haptic triggers, I will not go back to first party controllers until they can match this level of quality for less than fifty bucks.

[@crajabli]

@@LordHonkInc haptic triggers are a must to me because if the racing games, can’t race without them because of the feedback in braking 😭

[@CaptainRex332]

I love my ultimate 3 mode Xbox controller I do at times miss my ps5 controller but it’s worth it since it can’t get stick drift unlike my dual sense that had it as soon as I started using it

[@riffrider_]

sn30 pro is the controller I use exclusively. It has better joysticks than a ds4, a precise d-pad, turbo, and nostalgia.

[@fakeyhero]

Couldn’t agree more!!

[@LordHonkInc]

@@crajabli Fair point, haven't played a racing game on the PS5 so I overlooked that use case.

[@sidewalkere]

6 years old F310 here. Cost me 25€ and it still works pretty much like in the first day. Cheap, indestructible tech that just works is my favorite kind of tech.

[@lelouchlamperouge5910]

Like 10 years F710 here and wouldn't change it for anything. I had a F310 back them when I was a kid and broke the cord, but the controller itself is indestructible.

[@patyos2]

Same lol F310 wired the controls just works and there’s no input lag. Plus the cheap price makes it easy to pick up for 4 player local multiplayer for some retro local multiplayer action. Although I mostly use mouse and keyboard on pc anyway

[@IPendragonI]

"indestructible", doubt it survived that submarine implosion

[@mrminecraft4772]

@@IPendragonI the controller is what caused it, they dropped it and it punched through the bottom of the cabin

[@NiSE_Rafter]

I had to take mine part to fix a few times before I moved on to other options (cant remember the issue it's been too long). Maybe I had a bad unit but I wouldnt buy another. Granted I also had to take apart my xbox controller too... And in comparison chinese 3rd party ones have had zero issues lol.

[@funkyfox2041]

RE the F310: you can regularly find them in places for $15 or even $10 US, they hold up under abuse pretty well especially for that price, and the 310 is the only controller I know of that can do BOTH XInput and Dinput via a sliding switch on the back. The thing *never* has compatibility issues. I speak from experience here, I've owned four of them since 2010.

[@Jack-bg5bb]

8bitdo has the same slider

[@the_wiki9408]

It’s so uncomfortable. I bought one and couldn’t even make it 15 minutes with it before throwing it in the junk drawer. So cheap it’s not even worth selling it.

[@CanuckGod]

My main Windows PC has the most recent generation of Xbox Series controller connected via Bluetooth, but for my secondary Linux box the Logitech F310 is my go-to, as I do like to play older fighting game titles on that one and the diagonals are amazing on its d-pad. I did buy a Ultimate C for it a while ago but ended up setting it aside, as unlike the old problem that 8BitDo gamepads had in terms of registering multiple direction presses, the current Ultimate C (for me, at least) doesn't seem to register diagonals very well and makes it really hard to play those sorts of games with the d-pad, so I'll be using the F310 for the Linux PC for the foreseeable future.

[@Xyzair]

So... like are all 4 still alive?

[@Xbob42]

It's the only controller you know that can do that? Must not use many controllers, then.

[@Hexumonium]

We gotta talk about haptics and whatnot. I've noticed that controllers at the $30 price point don't vibrate whatsoever. Am I wrong? Why did this feature go unmentioned?

[@jack-the-threader]

I have a pretty popular, under $30 controller that vibrates (VOYEE) and vibration at that price point is nothing special at all. The first thing I did with it was to turn it off. It's more like a rattle than a vibration, and it's really loud. I can't say it of every budget controller, but you can tell the motors are pretty cheap and just used so they can put it on the advertising to make it seem more fully-featured

[@alephkasai9384]

Controllers at that price range use old rumble motors that are cheap and reliable but have nowhere near the feedback of the voice coils that high end controllers use. Rumble motors have been here since the 360/ps3 era and that's what they used back then for haptics.

[@cburn-YT]

for a lot of us thats honestly a good thing, I remove the motors in my 360 and xone controllers to make em lighter and have a better battery life but if the 8bitdo controllers don't have motors and it didn't get mentioned thats kinda surprising

[@LorienWicck]

@@alephkasai9384 ps1 era

[@alephkasai9384]

@@LorienWicck Oh woops you're right sorry

[@IceTypes]

I think Linus didn't stress how important hall-effect joysticks are to a controller. They allow the close to zero dead zone and, most importantly, they last the lifetime of the controller. Stick drift is a huge problem, both Microsoft and Sony faced class action lawsuits for their faulty analog sticks. I cycled through 3 Xbox controllers in 5 years due to this problem. I have my 8bitdo (ultimate Bluetooth edition) for 2,5 years and it's good as new.

[@Verchiel_]

tbf there was a video a while back that covered the king kong 2 pro which used hall effect as the center piece of the video iirc, but yea i agree more people should learn just how bad everyone has been getting ripped off with destined-to-fail controllers.

[@gorkskoal9315]

Hall effects aren't good if the rest of the controller is crap and or the software is: looking at you gamesir.

[@kingchangling]

@@gorkskoal9315 sadly true. i got a RG556, a android gaming handheld, that uses switch style analogs with hall effect sticks and because of bad software on the handheld have some bad directional snapping so while the sticks are nice with no dead zone its got other issues tied to it

[@jsnotlout3312]

@@gorkskoal9315 Are they really that bad? Mine has been working fine

[@bshinkara]

@@Verchiel_ I was surprised they didn't have the Gulikit controllers for just that reason. The KK3 has Hall FX sticks & triggers, plus tactile buttons, plus the same 1000hz polling rate as the 8bitdo and does BT/Wired. I love mine, great controller. I guess it is double the price of the 8bitdo, but the form factor is nicer.

[@Laggex_]

8BitDo owner here. if you’re a casual gamer and need a solid controller - i would very much recommend it. docking station makes it a lot better. when you’re done you just put controller down and you don’t even think about charging

[@JoshR842]

What's the best way to charge the Ultimate 2C if you don't get a docking station for it?

[@nup72]

Ex-8bitdo owner here, if your a medium/heavy controller user i would pass on these. Have had 3 in the past where the D-pad stopped inputting correctly on 1 of them and 2 others with bumper input issues. No easy way to repair them either. I had a wireless xbox controller before i started trying 8bitdo controller and i still have it today which is my main controller. Do need to replace bumpers on the xbox controller but can get a pack of 10 for a buck and easy enough to replace. No integrated battery either so its a simple battery change instead of having to be forced onto wire when battery runs out, which is great if you use rechargeable AA batteries. The 8bitdo really impressed me at the start but you only get 1 to 2 years life out of each of them & not being able to change battery is a pain in the hole. Xbox controllers unfortunately are still the best out of a bad bunch for their longevity and compatibility on pc.

[@404eitch]

The triggers are also way worse than the original xbox ones and the parts where your hands go are at a way worse angle than on a normal controller. Decent for the price, but even if the joysticks will break easier i wouldn't choose it over the first party controller if i had the choice again.

[@josebarraza4979]

ive been using 8butdo controllers for like 6 years now! love em!

[@Hellwalker855]

8Bitdo has always been overpriced. They've only recently gotten better.

[@Frieze_XD]

2:56 I honestly thought the Logitech controller was even older than that

[@KoenDoesThings]

It's based on a design from 2005

[@ZhilBear]

@@KoenDoesThings Even older, there's a precursor that was very similar, which doesn't have sticks yet, only d-pad, which was back in the 90s (I owned one)

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

@@ZhilBear jeez dude, like how ancient are you? You are probably old enough to have actually held a real floppy disk in your hand instead of just seeing a floppy icon.

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Ouch! Hit right in the age. :(

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

@@ZhilBear Between the controller with only d-pad and the F310, they did have another precursor which had dual sticks but was d-input only. I still have it and it worked the last time I tried it although I haven't touched it in years now because everything is x-input now.

[@pederikodelaguza]

I have f310 for more than 10 years and works as day 1. You can buy 2 or 3 for the price of others. I mostly never use d pad except for inventory/map kind of thing in rpgs. Great budget option! I also like your chair

[@murdoch9106]

The wired Ulimate 2C cost almost the same and will be much better but I get it, if it last that long and works, I'd love it too! :)

[@katonbot]

They just casually skipped the fact that the dualsense has the second lowest latency while in bluetooth and somehow has worse latency in wired mode lmao

[@NinjAsylum]

That is definitely a misprint. They wrote it backwards.

[@zaychavitch5317]

​@@NinjAsylum that's a real thing that happened on the DS4 as well, Bluetooth latency for Playstation controllers is lower by default than wired on pc until you use third-party software to overclock the wired polling rate.

[@jordibtje]

Yes indeed the Bluetooth is generally faster because of the polling rate, but a bit more inconsistent

[@TheWeaponshold]

This is also true of wired vs unwired keyboards and mice and has been for a long time. LTT themselves tested it years back and found, to their shock, that wireless was often faster response than wired. Not always, but wireless has come a LONG way and if you bought stuff in the last 5-10 years and it has a wireless mode chances are its faster than, or at least as good as, a wired connection.

[@winnieid2727]

The problem with wireless is that it depends on how much interference you have. I need to move my keyboard, mouse, and pads receiver to just the right place. Its subltle difference, but you can feel it in games.

[@blad...]

I generally use DualSense but.... I wont lie.... Playing on a family member's Switch.... Taking the Joy-Con controllers apart and using them in each hand while you relax is AMAZING. You can literally stretch, scratch an itch, sprawl out with arms wide apart on the couch, all while still playing. Its the most comfortable gaming ever. Splitting the controller in two! Never get shoulder/back pains or any discomfort.

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

Splitting them is amazing. As somebody with large palms I wish there were some that were "big classic controller snipped in 2" for the ergonomics

[@sengir]

@@jackthatmonkey8994 you have options, aftermarket joy cons but bigger

[@NoxiousNinja]

@blad... It's just a pity that the signal is so weak. If I happen to, e.g., get my knee in between the joycon and the switch, I start getting lag, dropped inputs, or disconnects. :-/

[@blad...]

@@NoxiousNinja hmm, maybe you have too much interference from other electronics bcuz I didn't have any of those problems the few hours-long sessions I had, small sample size tho as I didn't play many times.

[@BlackJesus8463]

@@blad... and laggy af

[@Wildblood]

“Oh right, the controller” is the best endorsement a controller can get.

[@Wayhoo]

That old controller at 1:21 looks disturbingly uncomfortable

[@harth05]

After going through all controllers youtubers recommended me I ended up with the F310. I think the problem is that the youtubers who test 3rd party controllers is they never test it if it is durable, they just use it while they are making the video and forget they ever own it. I can't recommend the 8bitdo since my warranty got denied, it broke after 3 months of buying it. I am more confident with the F310 since Logitech will always honor your warranty even if you don't need it cause it will never break.

[@bobthemagicmoose]

@@harth05 yeah, I’ve been through a couple F310s. Both had stick drift and button collapse issues… but it was a $14 controller that I could pick up at the local store and lasted me plenty long.

[@titaochen5249]

Very good point here. Durability of a gaming controller incredibly important, even if something is cheap and affordable if it breaks without much use then it's not a good product. Shame that youtubers will never actually take this into account when reviewing a product

[@TheCurtisnixon]

Logitech is the best for warranty. No questions, just replaced. I explained what I did to troubleshoot, so maybe that's why no questions, but still, amazing support. Nothing but praise for logitech warranty and products. Are they the best? No. But they don't have to be. I've never been dissapointed with their products. I've had an f710 for a few years. It's been great till the stick started drifting, after 5 or 6 years of heavy use. I am not nice to my sticks.... just ask my x52, which logitech replaced, again, no questions asked as again, I explained my troubleshooting. Which actaully kinda amazed me. A 200$(cdn) hotas replaced. And the problem ended up being the wires going up the shaft of the stick. they break pretty easily, mostly because they're too short. I repaired, by replacing the wires. Posted an ifixit too, so people could do the same, if they really wanted to spend a couple hours. Which I think a lot of people would, if they knew how.

[@aracnadei13]

Exactly. The fact that my 710 has outlasted multiple others from other companies, including first party controllers which cost a lot more says everything. If I wanted a more premium controller experience, I'd buy a Gulikit.

[@Decipher13]

The F310 used to be known as the “Dual Action” gamepad and has been around a lot longer than since 2010. IGN reviewed it in 2003. They may have made changes to the internals slightly and they changed the buttons from numbers to the Xbox A,B,X,Y etc but it looks almost the same and is basically functionality identical to the Dual Action.

[@vlt96]

They should do a refresh with Bluetooth and USB C. The Xbox, PS5 and the 8bitdo controllers allow bluetooth, dongle and wired connections. The Xbox One controller even has a little quirk that allows you to wirelessly connect any wired headphones.

[@AnalogSins]

Not only that, the F310 is basically a remix of the best industry solutions. It has a Saturn D-pad, a dualshock layout, but with Xbox triggers, that are properly heavy like the OG duke controller. So it is an A+ choice, for any game, that is digital input dependent, (emulators), and almost all indie games, which is a market that is huuge right now. It is also excellent for racing games, because of the classic pot, heavy sprung triggers. Hall effects are too light for proper throttle adjustment. Also it is wired, so no faffing around with batteries, or fighting with aliexpress to find the "right" replacement recargable one, it is cheap to buy. Also it has Dinput for older games, and Xinput for newer ones. But even that goes further. There are better and worse inplemented Xinput controllers. (In my view, this kinda has to do with what device ID the controller reports.) And the f310 is one of the GOOD ones. It works with a ps3, if hacked even in dinput mode, it works with an RGH-d 360 if it has the xinput lock patch (the series controller does NOT get the same privilage). Ps3 and 360 controllers, are almost impossible to buy these days in reasonable condition. It works with ancient games, and ancient versions of retroarch, because it reports as a dual action is dinput mode (which is a staple in the industry) The bottom line is, that this inexpensive, well made controller solves a lot of your problems, if you need a controller. The reason it is popular, is because it is a hall of fame GREAT product.

[@Priest015]

Ok I'm not crazy lmao. I was gonna say I had that controller WAY WAY before 2010 lol

[@Badguy292]

I actually still have my Dual Action right here, in solid blue and with numbers instead of AB/XY. Still works like it's first day.

[@theDARKlordFLUFFY]

The reason people like the floaty D-pad on the Logitech is because in fighting games it mimics the feel of the Sega Saturn D-Pad, which is regarded as the best fighting game controller ever made.

[@tetsuoshima2314]

Exactly, they just skipped over one of the #1 reasons plus the F310 has decent latency in combination, all good things for fighting games. Combined with a standard modern analog & trigger layout it holds up.

[@sloesty]

@@theDARKlordFLUFFY aint no way you want floaty for your dpad in a precise fighting game. The pro scene in street fighter is either hitbox, stick or if controller: dualshock. Ive never seen anything else apart from the occasional xbox controller.

[@theDARKlordFLUFFY]

​@@sloesty Fight pads, that's all I have to say. Most have a floating disc shaped D-Pad and those that don't use the same silicone membrane that the disc have like the old Hori fight pads.

[@amruzaky4939]

​@@tetsuoshima2314what? No, it doesn't have good latency😂. F310 is terrible for fighting games because of the input lag. Open up Gamepadla Tester and tell me the number with your F310. Cause I have one, and I know the digits😂.

[@kartikeygupta3958]

2 years ago I bought a $12 controller exactly like that with 1 year warranty, it got everything and can connect with every gaming device I have, it got 4 different mode including xbox 360. Freaking perfection!

[@Taur2345]

I think what kept the f310's going for so long was that it was for the longest time the solution to people wanting a Playstation controller on PC without resorting to crazy adapters/mods etc. I remember using a logitech controller for everything back in the day they even made wireless PS2 controllers that were basically the PS2 equivalent of the Gamecube wavebird which was amazing at the time. Add that to the fact that they were freaking indestructible (mine was tossed around in a laptop bag for YEARS without the sticks ever drifting or a single button breaking) and you have a winner for a lot of people

[@amantohugnkiss]

Logitech F310 user here. 12 years old and still going strong, the xbox controller I used lasted 4 years before having issues with inputs, repairing it was incredibly difficult. I think it's reliability over anything else. Not yet brought an 8BitDo controller to try, but I have heard nothing but praise for them.

[@barongerhardt]

I have had several F310s. They feel cheap because they are cheap, but they have out lasted all the better controllers I have ever owned. I have a bunch around for multiplayer needs, keep one in the laptop bag. If it gets left somewhere or damaged, no worries.

[@krophiquon]

i'd rather buy a new controller every year than have to use one of those old pieces of shit again. That being said, my xb1 controller are holding up fine

[@Smol_Bronco]

Yeah, but do you ever get that sinking feeling that you haven't submersed yourself in other controllers?

[@budiisnadi]

I love my F510, but after four years in 2016 the cable gave up.... Instead of the buttons! Too bad it's not produced again.

[@nesamdoom]

@@barongerhardt making cheap stuff that lasts is engineering perfection.

[@naxos0652]

And here i am using a PS2 controller with a USB adapter. He's served me well for 10 years now i'm not going to retire him just because i changed platforms

[@nesamdoom]

PS got controller design good, then have kept making them better over time. I don't hate some cheap controller, but most copy PS because it's a good design and has worked since the 90s

[@naxos0652]

@@nesamdoom It's just that good

[@JFTSwiertz]

Never had a ps2 controller, but my girlfriend got me hooked on the PS3 for emulating just about anything, its surprisingly comfortable, quiet, and the layout is perfectly balanced between stick use or buttons for old classics.

[@108kitsune]

PS2 was peak controller

[@Archipelagoes]

Me but in PS3 Con 😳

[@TheSonicFan4]

8bitdo owner here. I own the ultimate Bluetooth controller (the one with hall effect sticks and triggers) and both are reported to get drifting issues. The membrane for the triggers gets cut by the trigger, making them stop working after some use. For a controller that you're paying extra for to get parts that aren't supposed to ever drift, this is outrageous. I got a free replacement controller 11 months after my purchase and will try getting another one when (not if) my replacement gets the same issues. I also own an sn30 pro 2. Both controllers have miserable d pads. They're the worst I've ever used outside the 360 controller. Super mushy and diagonals hurt like hell and don't always register. I tried switching to 8bitdo for it's back paddles, but ended up going back to my 8 year old DS4 because of how much better that is.

[@lumpython5351]

@@TheSonicFan4 I think the SN30 is more for the novelty with modern features and buttons. So ergonomic wasn’t the priority, the weird one is SN30 Xbox edition. It’s pointless because it only supports Xbox streaming, thus no other software or game supports whatsoever. it doesn’t have mode switch and nor use on the real Xbox, but it’s also called SN30. Which is confusing.

[@pieppy6058]

@@TheSonicFan4 I don’t know, I really like the d-pad on sn30 pro 2

[@TheSonicFan4]

@@pieppy6058 The D-Pad on the sn30 pro 2 is super uncomfortable to use and I haven't heard many good things about it when googling it. It's cool that you like it but it's generally not a very good d-pad. If you haven't tried a PS3, PS4 or PS5 controller before, you won't know what you're missing

[@pieppy6058]

@@TheSonicFan4 dpad on Xbox is pretty much unusable, dpad on ps5 is worse. I have all 3 and use sn30 pro 2 exclusively

[@TheSonicFan4]

@@pieppy6058 I agree, the Xbox is completely unusable. I haven't tried the PS5 before but I heard it was really good. I used the PS3 controller all the time and now use the PS4 controller for all but 1 game (Duck Game, I use PS3 for that) and they're the best D-Pads I've used. 8bitdo is still trash. It's functional, but barely, and for short periods of time.

[@TomSoysauce]

I love this type of video format. The idea of “here’s the most popular/first party [insert peripheral here], and now, if you’re willing to sacrifice 10% on quality, here is something half the price.”

[@JimIBobIJones]

How are you sacrificing in quality? HE sticks are massive upgrades from the shitty sticks in first party controllers. After using only first party Xbox controllers, I switched to a 8bitdo ultimate (the original version) and its been so much better in every way compared to the xbox controller (at least for PC, I think you can't use it with Xbox wirelessly due to proprietary wireless BS).

[@CorrosiveCitrus]

What about gaining 25% on quality for half the price

[@adicsbtw]

The only reason I've used an F310 before is because of robotics weirdly enough your options are: XBox, PlayStation, or the F310 and considering the price gap, the F310 is just a no brainer because it's much cheaper. And, to it's credit, our team never experienced any stick drifting on that controller

[@jordibtje]

Was it inside of a submarine by any chance?

[@catto-from-heaven]

Why you can't use other controllers for that purpose?

[@uncanny_mac4660]

@@jordibtje I know the joke gets made a lot but even some military robotics also use the same controller It's used because it works. Although the thing that Ocean Gate did that was stupid was go for wireless. which is really dumb because what if you run out of battery down there?

[@ElCidCampeador1994]

@@uncanny_mac4660 in the video the man said that the had some spare controllers.

[@bio9288]

I own the wired version from a while back. Its a very durable controller. But jesus the dead zones on those sticks are terrible. I agree with linus that deadzones ruin otherwise perfectly good controllers.

[@KevinFought]

Also for the super budget gamers, 8bitdo offers the ultimate 2c in a wired variant for only $25. I have the wired 8bitdo wired ultimate 2c Black Myth Wukong edition controller and its honestly my favorite PC controller

[@Idontcare.638]

@@KevinFought it starts with

[@emporioalnino4670]

​@@Idontcare.638 ONE GAME, WITHOUT A DRIVE IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER THAT THEY RAISED THE PRICE

[@Potato_n_Tomato]

8bitdo is absolutely goated. Great dpad, low input lag, hall effect sticks, cheap, Wukog design, etc. The only problem is the angle of the sides

[@QEin1786]

I've never been disappointed with an 8Bitdo controller.

[@thailazyguy]

@@QEin1786 I do, 8bitdo suck for fighting game. D-Pad is really hard and very uncomfoartable.

[@Wuerfel21]

My wired(!) SN30 pro randomly bricked itself the other day and customer support had nothing better to say than "sorry buy a new one". Though it was so good I am tempted to actually do that. Very conflicted.

[@gmoss101]

@@Wuerfel21 Yeah, after a few months they provide basically zero hardware customer support which is a huge downside. That's why Hall Effect was a must for me.

[@gmoss101]

I haven't had any issues with mine but they do have their faults, go check the subreddit and there's people with problems.

[@chasekite1]

@@thailazyguy just the answer i was looking for. the dpad doesnt look good for fighting games

[@tmcprod]

The great thing about the f710 (and 310F) is that it has a playstation layout but works fine with Xinput.

[@patyos2]

And the best part of the F310 Wired is no input lag And also sega style D pad is the best for retro games

[@tannerdavisr]

Super-high-pitched hola in that sponsor spot really got me

[@tiobetio9501]

HOE LAH!

[@mezzmerize-c2g]

read my mind

[@celebrate__]

@@tiobetio9501lmaooo chill hahaha

[@maaroc3007]

0:13 the foreshadowing is insane

[@eag8999]

GameSir G7 HE = $45, hall effects sticks and triggers, 1000hz polling rate, xbox compatible, clicky buttons and d pad, rubber grip, 2 mappable back buttons. The GOAT for Xbox.

[@pure6450]

Yeah there are plenty of chinese offerings which smash the selected lineup in price performance. No Flydigi either or machenike

[@MrGedem]

So, it's like 8bitdo, but x1.5 pricier? And it's wired? But why? Ok, I got it, it have to be wired for xbox (f* MS for forbidding wireless 3rd party controllers), but 8bitdo also have this wired xbox variants, and there is no point in wired controller for PC.

[@aztin2891]

@@MrGedem subjective, but I find the g7 more comfortable, also 8bitdo doesn’t have the two programmable buttons on the back

[@Will_Fong]

As an 8bit do ex owner, their wireless sucks on pc , randomly windows update will screw it up, even without ms screwing them on and off u might lose pairing , its just too much hassle , in the end u will use cable for it, as a general guide anything beside first party xbox controller , use cable for pc gaming.

[@eag8999]

@@MrGedem 8bitdo has 1000hz polling on xbox?

[@dreiistein]

U should mention that the Xbox adapter dongle is somehow discontinued. You can only get it used on all major platforms

[@ryanhacker9444]

@@dreiistein I had one and it worked for about a year then it stopped working and was too hot to touch. 3rd party one has worked for longer so far.

[@sebam4546]

My Xbox adapter dongle works perfectly fine on my old PC with necessary drivers installed; on the newer one, naah, even when I tried to download drivers manually.

[@turtlelore2]

I used 2 versions, the huge and small versions, and they both broke after a couple years.

[@entryofemotion12]

So maybe it's just me, but I don't use a dongle with my xbox controller? If I'm playing wirelessly...I just turn on and use the bluetooth? I forgot the dongle even existed because of this. I know back in the days of the 360 it was a requirement for their wireless controllers, but I figured beyond that basically no one needed it?

[@joeydestructo]

​@@entryofemotion12At least on my PC, using the dongle is mandatory because using the built in Bluetooth on my motherboard results in unplayable lag. Very odd too since my VR controllers never had any issues like that.

[@laurenw2767]

Today I learned that the controller I remember using an eternity ago was called the F310, and it's still popular. Wild!

[@Tuatha_De_Gaming]

good thing you didn't use it in a submarine lmao

[@wahdangun]

because its very reliable, and hard to break

[@draxrdax7321]

As i am someone with big hands, i find the F710 an almost perfect fit. I would have preferred if it was a bit wider too, since my shoulders are also large and i have to slouch a bit to be able to properly hold it. Battery life is very good (about 3 months of using it 2-6h per day) but i'm not using the rumbles. Very responsive and wakes up on pressing a button, goes to sleep after a minute or so of not pressing any button. On PC is immediately identified by any game as "Xbox controller" and had no issues with compatibility.

[@Klarden]

The best thing about the F310/F510/F710 family from Logitech (and they've killed F510 since then, it was basically Rumblepad 2, but better) is the DirectInput/Xinput switch at the back, which is a killer feature for older pre-Xinput PC games and emulators if you don't want to have specialized "like the original" controller for systems you're emulating. For whatever reason 8bitdo controllers that have the same switch do not work properly in Dinput mode and consider it the "Android pairing mode". And as such, there's just no other modern alternative to work as both proper DirectInput and proper XInput controller that I know of.

[@frisco557]

This, I use my 710 on an XP/7 computer to play older games and it's great for that reason. On my Windows 10 machines, it's an OEM Xbox One controller

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

Underrated point and why I still keep my F310 around even though I have better controllers. Just so convenient that the one controller just works on literally everything.

[@xZeke97]

thats not true the 8bitdo pro2 im 100% sure has 4 settings, one for android, one for xinput, one for switch and one for Dinput and I'm sure Ive used all 4 correctly

[@bronwaith]

Big up the F710 💖

[@misterlinkloquendo19]

Not gonna lie, I have the F310, and it feels pretty good to me. It’s like an in-between of the small PS2/PS3 controller with some width of the Xbox controller. Plus, the switch on the back might prove useful for old games when you can change between D-input and X-input. Also, in the front, there’s a button where you can switch the D-pad and left joystick, letting you move with the D-pad the left joystick and vice versa. It’s really serviceable and cheap!”

[@markmathews2143]

To be honest, I don't think Linus really knows what he's talking about here. He clearly is a controller novice outside of his favourites.

[@timmyytjr1131]

Speaking from a FIRST Robotics perspective, we live and breathe Logitech's G F310. In FIRST Tech Challenge specifically, there are strict requirements about what can and cannot be used as a controller. For Robotics teams that have little margin between the robot, travel, competition fees, and other costs, getting a reliable, cheap controller that's legal is huge!

[@PhatOof]

Just like oceangate!

[@tristinflore]

The Logitech F310 is actually a great controller, especially for submarine expeditions.

[@Matt-pv3bi]

Mad catz was in every home.

[@magichames3982]

Not by choice but necessity.

[@capichow]

Imagine all the death and slaves whipped to make them controllers back then

[@smashed_penguin]

Not in my home. Heck, I don't know if they were ever officially sold in my country because I don't recall ever seeing anything Madcatz branded at second-hand stores which I am a frequent goer toer.

[@OliRotMG]

still use my Madcatz game pad pro from 2005, this controller went from playing F1 2002 on XP to Elden Ring a couple months ago

[@JarofSoupJars]

Madcatz for ps5

[@IvanDubsK7]

I love the F310 honestly, my dad got it for me over a decade ago, I let it sit in my garage for years. Started cleaning it out and then found that same controller again, plugged in and it worked really well for me

[@LuckyCatGaming]

I got Canyon GPW3 controller for about same price as featured one in the video. I was surprised with trigger buttons out of the box, honestly I didn't have many controllers anyway but feels pretty solid. Sturdy with no plastic squeaking, what sets it apart from other controllers is that it got transparent buttons and X, Y, A, B is actually under the buttons with also back light what can be dimmed or turned off completely, same for LED ring around right stick what also can be turned off with all light or just that can be on. What's interesting now are shoulder buttons. They are not traditional buttons but instead lever action like button so it got one pivot point and just one side moves. This also makes it so there's no wiggle into them what so ever and I did have lot of sessions with it. Also the way buttons are made it ensures that they won't wear off after time like on my other controller. Also back light is appropriate to xbox ones For those wondering about scratching transparent buttons...I can ensure you that after like year and half they still clean to read without issues

[@AlexTenThousand]

For something a bit more premium, I can personally vouch for the GameSir G7 SE - it's wired, but it has hall effect sticks and triggers, personalised profiles, 1000 Hz polling rate, rear mappable buttons (which can be blocked entirely with switches), interchangeable faceplates, and is well-made.

[@jatoxo]

Gamesir? Isn't that the company that ripped yuzu code and sold it on android?

[@Anarchy421]

Doesn't appear to be available in a wireless varient.

[@onobonono]

At least it doesn't look like a toy like the 8bitdo, but not being wireless is a deal breaker

[@BotBrendan]

Gamesir is goated. They also have wireless ones with hall effect sticks. I also thing it should be mentioned that the G7 SE cord is a removable USB C cord and not some hard wired BS.

[@SavageDarkness]

There is also now the HE, whish uses Hall effect for all the inputs, not just the sticks.

[@smokinjoeblues]

The reason for the F310's popularity is its durability. I've used controllers with better analog sticks and better dpads, but inevitably they break down. The F310 is just so dependable, and that's why everyone is buying (and will continue to buy) it.

[@Nukle]

I have gone through so many F310's because they just break on me and my 8bitdo one hasn't had any problems since I got it so idk

[@aelix56]

@@Nukle Brother I had an f310 for like a decade Idk what you're doing with it but goddamn.

[@nomisharris]

My girlfriend destroys the A button on these Logitechs. Otherwise they've always been reliable for us

[@MSoave]

I've had an f310 for like 10 years and it's still kicking. The Bluetooth keeps disconnecting on my 8 bit duo after only 2-3 years and minimal use.

[@revemb4653]

Dependable?

[@O1ez]

Note for Linux users: The Dualsense is great on it. You can even control your desktop with it because the touchpad controls the mouse without any extra installation

[@dumbuz]

What distro/DE? You can't just say 'for Linux users' when every distro comes with different preinstalled software/drivers

[@T-v2k]

​@@dumbuzLiterally any distro if you have a DE and dinput drivers.

[@esatd34]

thats funny, in a good way

[@O1ez]

@@dumbuzThe Drivers are in the Kernel afaik

[@NuBoko]

Okay, watched this when it was released, bought the controller the following day and I can say from personally trying it. It’s perfect… I got an all white one with the charging dock and the Hall effect joysticks for $45 on Amazon. It’s perfect for my needs, due to my setup. I run launchbox off my living room TV and when I used Xbox or PS controllers they often lost connection because of my towers location. This (with its dongle) solves the issue and it’s just a solid controller. Definitely recommend

[@DM_Gazruk]

For once in my life, I have bought something before a Linus video and NOT regretted it! I literally ordered a 2C this morning.

[@omegaXjammur]

Welcome to the club! Hands down a good investment.

[@ouykcuf]

I bought their ultimate Bluetooth controller months ago and am very happy with it. It's the same shape of a switch pro controller but better in every regard.

[@neuronNotFound]

How can you not regret it when u haven't even tried out the product yourself?

[@omegaXjammur]

@@neuronNotFound The regret occurs _after_ Linus has reviewed the product and found it to be bad. Because Linus and his team typically use metric data to objectively determine a product's performance, someone could find a product to be "good", but regret their purchase after, once they've found out that there are similar products that perform better.

[@TheKevixXD]

I bought the gamesir g7 and its amazing, responsiveness is immediate feels like really good quality, has hall effect, 2 mappable buttons a special app and its only like 30 usd, there is also no tension in the sticks which makes it so much smother to use

[@PatrickRatman]

if the app is required to make it function id consider that an absolute downgrade to the 8bitdo

[@elaskin]

@@PatrickRatman it is optional

[@domenicdaluz]

​@@PatrickRatman not required for gamesir controllers but I like their app, it allows you to easily update the controller too. I like their lineup too, I own the cyclone pro and nova lite. Both decent controllers for the price with hall affect sticks and triggers

[@MV-ri7zu]

​@@PatrickRatman how is that a downgrade? Are you tech illiterate or whats the issue?

[@PatrickRatman]

@@MV-ri7zu Okay so if an app is required to run a completely separate device that by its nature should function entirely on its own, it is a downgrade. forcing connectivity by an app only gives companies control of the product you purchased and essentially allows them to make your product no longer work whenever they want by simply no longer supporting the app.

[@doslover]

13:05 - I was expecting a classic "Stop it, get some help" 😄

[@ChainPenguin]

Same.😂

[@KryXun]

@@doslover stage 1 brain rot, "thinking in memes"

[@doslover]

@@KryXun I'm sure I'm well past stage one at this point 😁

[@austinmyres]

Next time could you include a few more controllers for latency comparison? And also maybe some options with other important features like back paddles.

[@agentswaggerbchannel]

Vader 4 pro and Gulikit kk3 max were front runners last time I researched, but industry moves quick

[@986kph]

there's a 4 now? I'm using a vader 2. great controller, especially for the price

[@acdbrn2000]

I use the Vader 4 Pro and I love the controller. More then any first party console controller

[@guilhermeluis8041]

i use the vader 3 pro, and it is my favorite controller today, huge battery, light, switch click btns, smooth sticks, 6 extra btns, and just for 40 bucks

[@MattyJay03]

Once you use a Vader 4 pro you can’t go back

[@DSP_Visuals]

And here I just got the Vader 3 Pro... Can't complain because I really like it, and solved several issues I was having with my Xbox controller

[@blueshift9]

I absolutely love my 8bitdo pro 2. One of my favorite accessory purchases ever.

[@spartaninvirginia]

I use the Pro2 for 3d games, M30 for 2d games. 8bitdo hasn't let me down yet.

[@Turnabout]

Right there with you, man. I've got four of 'em.

[@Sevicify]

Same, just wish I had the hall effect revision and they would add 2.4G and hall effect triggers too (hopefully they do a Pro 3 being same as 2 just with these added). Also sadly the USB port on my controller has become finicky where slight movement of the cable causes disconnections (I do wired on PC, BT on Switch), I've been able to mitigate rather well though using tape to prevent movement in the plug.

[@lDyavoll]

Do you know if it works on an Xbox itself? Can’t find an answer

[@Sevicify]

@@lDyavollThe ones shown in the video and normal Pro 2 don't work on Xbox. 8Bitdo does however have Xbox specific versions of their but they only work wired on Xbox due to licensing restrictions from Microsoft on using wireless. Interestingly though they have recently released a wireless accessibility focused controller for the Xbox using a 2.4G adapter so they should (and hopefully will) be able to release other wireless Xbox controllers using it too, I do also wonder if the adapter is compatible with their normal 2.4G controllers (I doubt it).

[@TheDocDrey]

Ps5 controller via bluetooth while running through steam works flawlessly every time. I just add all my games to work through steam.

[@drworm73]

I have never been able to get mine to pair in win 11 via BT. It's an outstanding controller with a wired connection

[@Felix5340gamer]

@@TheDocDrey same xbox

[@reylavienna1318]

@@TheDocDrey you can also use the trackpad as a mouse for games!

[@Skylancer727]

I've noticed many games were you completely lose haptics if you wanted it. I usually don't care, but that is a loss.

[@ButtonBashOfficial]

DS4Windows takes 5 mins to set up

[@---on6qk]

The reason I keep buying the F310 is the circular d-pad. For fighting games, there really is no alternative to what it has (apart from the super expensive xbox pro controller), Diagonal and quarter inputs are super comfortable on a circle, and it's easier to press considering the d-pad is on the top left (similar to playstation controllers) instead of the bottom left.

[@Furluge]

Get an MD30, much better dpad. PS2 Saturn rerelease is great too but rare.

[@---on6qk]

@@Furluge The controller isn't really suited for tekken, since tekken has inputs that sometimes requires 3 buttons to be pressed at once (not counting the dpad). Extra shoulder buttons would be better for that than 2 extra face buttons, since it would be hard to press the 3 you need at once.

[@markmathews2143]

@@Furluge The problem is that every other controller, including the 8bitdo lines, is that you make concessions. The F310 seems to be the only contender that suits all fighting games across all platforms. Yes, it's a little stiff for KI 2013, but that's the only real outlier and only if you have weak fingers.

[@kylep506]

what dyou think of the dpads on the newer xbox controllers? I'm glad they made the change but it's still probably not as comfortable as the Pro or f310

[@---on6qk]

@@kylep506 They're ok, the position at the bottom left causes issues though. For quick motions, extending your thumb that far makes movement imprecise.

[@BotBrendan]

I feel like not mentioning the gamesir controllers with the Hall Effect sticks is crazy.

[@technocatdance]

Agree gamesir is one that would have been nice to see tested, tried one a couple years ago and it seemed pretty good

[@IceTypes]

They should make an episode just to cover the Chinese controllers with hall effect sticks. They're in a whole different league. Deadzones, durability, price, build quality... + gullikit as well

[@Catorlyt]

Love my gamesir t4 kaleid and considering buying the nova lite

[@CyborgFish]

My gamesir T4 is the nicest controller I've ever owned. Love it so much

[@skotz3336]

Gamesir requires an app with all permission turned on from your phone for their controllers to work on the phone. No thanks.

[@TowaAkeashi]

In defense of the Logitech F310 we dont get it for the asthetics. But the tactility of the "individual" buttons (especially for the dpad) gives the logitech an incredibly precise feel compared to most controllers in the same price range that use membrains under the dpad. This is great for fighting games in "my" experience since directional inputs can make or break a game.

[@patyos2]

yeah the dpad is top tier it is a sega style D pad designed for perfect 8 directional precision including the diagonals it is perfect for retro games and especially fighting games.

[@KYSMO]

I would like to share with you a negative experience I had with a device, namely a Nancon Asymmetrical PS4/PC controller. I am sure you are somewhat familiar with controllers or gamepads used for video games on consoles like the Playstation, XBox and also PC. They come both in wired and wireless varieties. The wireless ones come in two main varieties - bluetooth and 2.4ghz, similarly to mice and keyboards. As you likely know, the 2.4Ghz variety has a proprietary USB dongle that is most often tied to a single device, or can sometimes be paired to a similar device or another device of the same model. If you lose the dongle, you are SOOL unless the device supports a wired operation mode - something it may or may not do. That is why some people gravitate toward Bluetooth wireless devices. The bluetooth variety usually is compatible with any bluetooth receiver, be it a USB dongle, a PCI or PCIE card, or an mSATA module, or bluetooth in a phone. The main word there is USUALLY. Some models, like 1st edition XBox One controllers or PS3 controllers, do not work with any Bluetooth dongle - you need a SPECIAL Bluetooth adapter or modified drivers to run them wirelessly with a regular bluetooth. The saving grace is that these models usually offer the ability to run them in WIRED mode, as well. So, if your PS3 breaks, you can use the PS3 controller on your PC with a cable - suboptimal, but at least it works. Now, Nacon, in all of their wisdom, produces the Nacon Asymmetric controller - priced around 50-60 US dollars. Certainly not one of the premium professional controllers that go for a 100 bucks or more, but definitely not the Walmart 20 dollars brand. The controller is very clearly, unambiguously marketed as a BLUETOOTH controller. HOWEVER, it is very much of the variety that requires a proprietary dongle that comes included. As it is a proprietary dongle, if you were to lose it, break it, or it simply died for no apparent reason (LIKE MINE DID), you could still use it with a cable - IF NACON BOTHERED TO ALLOW YOU TO DO SO! But they didn't. Instead, Nacon sells the dongle separately, for the low, low price of 22 dollars - almost half of the actual controller. To be fair to Nacon - they are not the only company who does this. However, they are the only ones I know of that sell a product that is so expensive and the replacement part is so expensive as well. With a Microsoft or Hama 2.4ghz keyboard, you at least know what you are getting into - you are buying a 20 dollar product with a proprietary dongle. With Nacon, you are misled into buying a "bluetooth" device that does not work with Bluetooth nor with a cable. To make matters worse - the replacement dongle is of questionable quality, as well. The reviews are not splendid. Some people fail to reconnect the device, for some the dongle dies, for some it never arrives. It has a mixed rating of 1 stars and 5 stars, mostly 1 star.

[@SDMasterYoda]

0:45 You can tell there aren't many Spanish speakers in his area of Canada based on that pronunciation of "Hola."

[@nathanmarshall745]

If you ask a frenchman how close canadian french sounds to actual french, you'd see that we just don't care

[@Nathaly520]

linus: hola 🎶😊

[@dexx0272]

Guess I'm part of that minority

[@thalesvondasos]

@@nathanmarshall745 Quebecois is actual French. Ironically, it even is closer in its pronounciation to historical French than modern Parisian French is.

[@nathanmarshall745]

@@thalesvondasos guess i should've said acadian french, either way it's canadian

[@xanthonjp]

I have been using my F710 for about 12 years now. Not for gaming, but for controlling my PC when I'm on the big screen. Reason I stuck to it is because it's the only controller I can find that auto sleeps and wakes up IMMEDIATELY when you press any button. Making it a good controller to place on the sofa for controlling windows. For gaming, I have many others.

[@zer0b0t]

Funny, I also use it to control Windows, for gaming it's really bad for your hands

[@Vortex2409]

@@zer0b0t depends on hands, other controllers feels like it hangs on tips of my fingers, but f710 maintains strong grip for me

[@mightyy_6189]

As a Logitech F710 owner, i never had a different controller. This is my first one, and it's been holding on me for 9 years now. My friends has gone thru 4 xbox cobtrollers in that time. I don't know how good or bad other controllers are, but man, the F710 is great.

[@kearneytaaffe7059]

Yeah, one of the things LTT misses is longevity. LTT reminds me of car reviewers, "This brand new Kia is as good as a Honda, has better electronics, and more features for thousands less". They don't tell you the engine catches on fire at 75K miles and if it doesn't is utter garbage by 100K - meanwhile that Honda will make it to 300K miles.

[@mightyy_6189]

UPDATE: after watching the video and seeing the comparison between the 2c, i'm humbled. A wierd feeling of buying something, and then realising how bad it is. I'm gonna buy the ultimate 2c asap (i tought that the latency on the F710 was just my skill issue)

[@Graine01]

Yeah those Logitech pads are built like tanks, genuinely I have an old rumble pad 2 still flawlesly working after over a decade of abuse, i switched to a ps4 controller because some games need that touchpad, but that logitech pad will probably outlive me.

[@VadimDee]

@@mightyy_6189 Try Flydigi Vader 4 Pro

[@mr_tuble7861]

Been using 8 bit doo controllers for 5 years now. On my first controller the X button broke but they send me spare parts for free. Just emails them and described my problem and the parts arrived a few days later. Love that company

[@MatWilson2612]

I've said it once, I'll say it many times more. Controllers using AA's is a better choice, it means in 10 years when the battery has worn out instead of having to either source a third party battery or struggle to find a replacement controller you'll be able to just buy some AA's. This is currently an issue with PS3 controllers to a degree, it's difficult enough to find working ones in decent condition without spending silly money.

[@AndrewNiccol]

I can guarantee you no controller can last 10 years, I'd five Xbox 360 controllers, two Xbox One, and one Xbox Series. They are all broken.

[@kalebsparks]

You can unscrew a few screws and replace the rechargeable battery. I've done it so many times on all the wireless PS controllers

[@DeadNoob451]

@@kalebsparks Yeah but thats anoying, and most people wont ever do that. So thats still millions of working controllers thrown into the waste.

[@mercedesplay_more_kof8488]

@@AndrewNiccolI still have my launch day wired 360 pad, but those XB1 controllers are made of paper because they fold under even the lightest use. To this day it’s the shortest lived controller I’ve ever owned and I’ve got several controllers that are over 30 years old now.

[@TheRedComet1821]

The analog sticks on a PS3 will turn sticky and gross before the battery goes belly up

[@remowilliams564]

I asked why they never do these videos on the WAN show about a month ago. I got a one word response from Dan: "boring".

[@x511100x]

The 8bitdo is gonna skyrocket in price now smh

[@DasherStu]

Exactly. That's why I just purchased 2 of the Wired Ultimate 2C Controllers for $19.99 with a 5% discount lol.

[@TetraSky]

it won't unless there's a shortage of stocks. And even there, there's plenty of different SKU for the 2C available.

[@thegoodrevbadandyarr4272]

I just went through the 3* reviews on zon, and hmm... Gonna wait (OFC they mixed in reviews for multiple models, so make sure you check that). For me, it sounds like the D-Pad will hurt my fingers pretty quick, and people mentioned the regular buttons (ABXY) feel 'cheap', and also noted the triggers take too much travel as linus says.

[@ViXoZuDo]

I don't think so... if the price goes up, the people who watch this video, would end up buying the Flydigi Vader 4 Pro. The only reason the 2C is a good option is because it's cheap, not because it's the best. And LTT audience would definitely investigate other options, so this should not affect the market that much.

[@DasherStu]

Coming back to this after 2 weeks. I'm glad I bought the 2 wired ones. They didn't jump in price, but now there's a month or two until they ship lol.

[@Therian_Puppy]

the 8bitdo is one of the best controllers ive ever used

[@joshuamiller8235]

I believe you might be wrong in stating that the only controller in this video with Dinput was the PS5 with dual sense. My 8-BitDo controller was a selector on the back for BOTH Xinput and Dinput. Though I have the Ultimate 2.4ghz, and I think the one you featured in the video was a different model. Either way, it's a fantastic controller. The included dock is great, and it effortlessly swaps from PC to steamdeck (via the aforementioned switch on back) Battery life is incredible, it's literally never died or even gotten close to dying (thanks to the dock) My only complaints are that the back paddles functionality only works on PC, and limited only to controller inputs. The settings IMO should be saved to the controller itself, and not be independent of the system it is being used on.

[@user-cz6us7ok2j]

Yep, the Logitech controllers also have an input switch on the back.

[@RajaniIsa]

Don't know if the 2c has it, but the non-bluetooth C at least has a button combo to swap between the two input types as well.

[@kazumekku]

8BitDo dongle situation is neat. If you mostly play at your desk, the dongle stays hidden away, plugged into the underside of the charging dock. Its no hassle to pick up the charging dock, turn it over, take off the cover, take the dongle out and bring it with you when you move to the big screen in the living room on occasions.

[@dwong98]

Also the 8BitDo is more popular in the Nintendo Switch community hence the Switch Pro controller esque design

[@estherstreet4582]

The way the dongle just fits into the charging dock is such a pleasing bit of design and it's the kind of stuff that's a really pleasant surprise at that price point. I often just bring the whole thing when I'm going to a friend's house, all you need is a USB A-C cable to connect it up to a computer and the whole package is nice and compact.

[@DeadKultureVulture]

Deadzones are great to prevent snap back inputs when you let go of a stick. They also help mitigate stick drift. Deadzones on controller sticks have good use cases.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

Yes but if manufacturers would use Hall Effect and/or TMR sticks instead of potentiometer based sticks then stick drift would be a no issue and even snap back inputs would be heavily mitigated where the deadzone would be basically non existent. And that's what they were trying to reference in that video.

[@gitrekt-gudson]

@@baronvonslambert Yeah these people talking about running no-deadzone are nutty.. I'm assuming they have never actually tried a stick with no deadzone

[@Maboidatboi]

@@eziothedeadpoet The PS2 controller fixes this issue even with potentiometers. Ever had a stick drifting, you made a circular rotation with the stick, it was gone and you wonder why? The little calibrator chip made its work. Man i miss the analog buttons too!

[@Sevicify]

@@eziothedeadpoet Aside from what baron said there are other mechanical parts within the stick's re-centering mechanism that can still wear out over time causing issues in re-centering that can result in drift regardless of the type of sensor used. So drift is always a potential issue and deadzones of some extent will always be a necessity, the extent just depends upon the accuracy of the re-centering, the sensor used and accounting for any motion you may inadvertently cause while resting your fingers on it.

[@anonapache]

​@@Sevicify You know that Apex pros and most higher level players play on no deadzone because of the stickdrift that often comes from the recentering spring? The stickdrift causes aimassist to be always active. And once you have adapted to the very responsive no deadzone, it's honestly a much better experience of gaming in general. Deadzones are just ass. And the new centering mechanism of the Flydigi Vader 4 is so well engineered, it probably will never be able to develop stickdrift at all.

[@Adam-jw3uz]

I still use the same Nyko AirFlo controller I bought for my first gaming laptop in 2004. It's solid, still usable thanks to Steam input, and the sweat cooling fans are a nice bonus that I haven't seen implemented in a controller in decades.

[@nikoskabbadias]

I have a PS4 controller, not even PS5, and it served me perfectly throughout the years without any major issues, connecting to everything from tablets to smartphones, PCs, laptops and everything in between . Where I needed to install something, it was a matter of a few seconds once. In most cases I didnt need to install anything. It really isnt as complicated as Linus presents it. It is clear he has a bias for X Box. Literally 1 hour ago I connected the PS4 controller to a Rog Ally with zero installation. Switched on, connected and played RDR2.

[@JohnathanConaway]

Much agreed!

[@Sevicify]

On Windows Steam makes it so easy to use Playstation controllers (and Nintendo Switch too), literally just plug and play with no installation required as you said. Gets a bit more complicated if you're playing something outside of Steam, games have been better about natively supporting them though and there's the possibility of still using Steam Input by adding them to your Steam library as a non-Steam game. Then there's external software still like DS4Windows which is useful if something doesn't play nicely with Steam Input or you a system wide controller.

[@jorgeo1492]

The dualshock 4 is fine. EXCEPT micro usb. Nobody has that cord hanging around

[@Nevermeltz]

If you play xbox PC (monthly subscription) then yeah ps4 concroller is not even working but you can fixed it in 1min by download ds4window. so yeah he's just get sponsor to talk shit on it.

[@H3LLGHA5T]

@@Sevicify can't you launch the game through Steam to take advantage of the controller feature?

[@_Glutton_]

The reason I still use my F310 is because I've had it since 2010 and it still works fine

[@RandomPerson-op1bq]

8bitdo is so underrated. Included re chargeable battery, replacement parts and high quality. I use the 8bitdo pro2 and I love it!

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

F710 had AA cells. Puts this over ANY rechargeable ANY day.

[@radioactivewaterfall5803]

​@gluttonousmaximus9048 it can use aa cells but comes with a rechargeable battery

[@lDyavoll]

@@RandomPerson-op1bq Question, do you know if it works on an Xbox itself, I can’t get a clear answer anywhere

[@geer2148]

how nice of youtube, rn im having problems with my xbox series controller and was just considering buying a new one, and this vid came right on time in my recommended ima go place an order on that ultimate 2c controller right away

[@Tall_Order]

One thing that caught my eye this year are those controllers with removable swappable buttons. I always liked the ergonomics of 360 controllers, but I preferred the thumb stick positioning of dualshock controllers. Having them swappable makes that possible.

[@theflashfan3234]

My exact thoughts. For me, it's less the positioning of the sticks that matters, more the position of the dpad. It's a lot easier to cramp up when you have to angle your thumb and also put force through it.

[@BrianHall-Oklahoma]

I hated the stick layout of the PS3 controller. The xbox controllers got that right. I didn't buy a ps4 or ps5 for multiple reasons, but the bad controller stick layout was the main reason.

[@ogksknkrv6738]

@@BrianHall-Oklahoma PS1, PS2 and PS3 got the stick layout right* There fixed for you.

[@donnydarko7624]

@@BrianHall-Oklahoma For 3D single player games the thumbstick being in the high position makes more sense, for 2D platformers, Shooter's , Fighting games and puzzle games the D pad in the high position makes more sense.

[@Steven-d4c]

The 8bitdo pro2 has the ps style layout and removable rechargeable battery pack that supports AA batteries instead, so I went that way instead of the ones shown in this video. No 2.4 connection though unfortunately.

[@hailstorm7868]

2:50 the submarine controller? 😆

[@dustinmorse8497]

@@hailstorm7868 OceanGate used the wireless version.

[@Synikal_Gaming]

That's the only reason it made it on the list

[@ChrisD__]

​@@Synikal_Gaming It's a pretty common controller.

[@Synikal_Gaming]

@@ChrisD__ sure bud, look at the purchase history

[@Arinnation]

O_o

[@elimad12]

Im a little disappointed that there is no GameSir controllers

[@NoobNoob1986]

You can tell this content isn't made by fans anymore

[@StephenYuan]

That's what I use. 23 USD, Hall effect sticks. Best gaming purchase I ever made

[@Ragnorok64]

Do they sell enough to be in the video predicated on "why is everyone buying this"?

[@a_spire]

yea was looking for that...

[@bd80247]

Thanks, I’ll check them out. Looks like they’re shaped more like Xbox controllers which is nice since I have really big hands. The 8bitdo maybe wouldn’t be as comfortable.

[@singsbadly]

I love it when things that i own get wins in videos

[@ah3611]

Bad d-pad is a dealbreaker for me. Controller manufacturers all seem to treat games with digital movement as an afterthought, which is probably why fight sticks are so popular honestly.

[@jo.v-c]

Up to and including the Steam Deck. Yes, I went there. I'm that bitter about hardly ever getting to use mine because of it.

[@ah3611]

@@jo.v-c Seriously! So many little indies would be great on deck if it actually had decent haptics. I rarely break mine out for anything but long vacations.

[@SirPengling]

8BitDo Pro 2 has a great d-pad

[@moltar512]

he's being extremely critical. The D-pad is completely fine, i own three of them.

[@TheStoso2]

Yeah, maybe that's why logitech ones are so popular, they have the greatest directional-pads in controllers nowadays

[@cedric5947]

I'm using the Dualsense because I have a PS5 and, on Linux, it works out of the box. No tinkering needed.

[@kai125]

I have my old F310 and I have used it for retro/old gaming and emulation for the past 6 years and it works like new. Only thing that's gone bad is the thumbstick rubber fading away. This thing is built like a tank, no drift issues or any loose/hard buttons. Also I love the old nostalgic look it has.

[@naufalap]

I play monster hunter on those and the rubber is quickly chipping away lol, at this rate it'll be gone in 2 years

[@JamJimjum]

Emulated God hand in PCSX2 with F130. It tanked heavy load of hardcore gaming for almost 5 years before the rubber start to fall off and my only issue is the drifting right analog after those years spent. Durable af

[@rustyesh_nocomm]

I have the Logitech Rumblepad 2 (same as F310) since 2008!! and it hasnt broken yet!! Still works just like day one. All buttons and sticks just perfect. Not a single complaint in 16 years! Dualsense/Xbox has drifting problem? Never faced on Rumblepad 2 even after so many years. Only downside...it doesn't have analog triggers (LT and RT)....just buttons. Thats why F310 came and replaced the buttons with actual analog triggers.

[@Vandel212]

Have a F310 sitting right here on my desk. Hard to beat that value, and I really don't find it THAT uncomfortable to hold. It gets the job done pretty well and cheap AF when you can find it on sale.

[@Ceelbc]

And it has the joystics next to eachother like a playstation. Which is an other plus.

[@teapouter6109]

Hard to beat that value? How about you value yourself more lmao Disgusting controller I would rather have 0 controllers than two F310s for the price of a first-party controller Just because rat poison is "cheap" does not make it good value to ingest

[@Ceelbc]

@teapouter6109 Why do you act this way? Just because we like this controller doesn't mean you have to. I mean if other controllers were free, they weren't good enough to make me switch. Time to grow up and accept this. Instead of trying to insult other people because you feel insecure about your spending habits.

[@AccelSternritter]

Not even your grandma believes that

[@InterstellarTaco]

​@Ceelbc The dualsense haptics are great, but the controller comfort and layout are mid.

[@J.Wick.]

I use a Stadia controller for most of my PC gaming. I actually love it. I converted it to BT after Stadia went down. Didn't cost me a dime, Google sent me a whole Stadia "Kit" about a year before it went kapooot.

[@fujinshu]

The Stadia controller was quite ahead of its time. Connecting directly to the game servers instead of through the client to decrease latency? That was unheard of. If only Google open-sourced their Stadia tech so that others can use it instead…

[@dpgwalter]

Wish I picked one up in its time. Looked super neat, just wasn’t sure it would ever get a BT mod.

[@BotBrendan]

good on them for sending a bt kit instead of making it obsolete

[@Bassquake76]

I use a Stadia for Quest headset! I wonder what the bluetooths latency is like compared to others tho.

[@micmur]

J.Wick, do you use your Stadia controller with a Steam Deck at all? I ask because even wired it acts fussy, even in the Steam menu, and I was wondering if it was just the games I play.

[@xlumyn]

* square shaped circularity doesn't mean anything, at least no one can explain and prove why it matters * best modern controllers for PC should have the following features: ** 2.4Ghz dongle ** 1000hz polling rate ** hall-effect joystick and triggers ** mechanical buttons (short-travel distance and "clicky" like a mouse button) ** remappable extra buttons that can turbo ** "adaptive triggers" where you can swap the triggers from analogue (racing games) to digital click (shooting/action games) ** gyroscope aiming

[@pawes7418]

Vader 4 Pro

[@MV-ri7zu]

Never understood the wireless obsession wtf are you doing at your pc when you are gaming if you need to have everything wireless its not a mouse it doesnt restrict your inputs lol

[@sengir]

Gyro aiming, HTPC ​@@MV-ri7zu

[@Deathwarrior115]

Its crazy how you didnt talk about the lack of back buttons !

[@0f00]

Everyone should be getting a gamesir G7 HE , hall effect joysticks/triggers , mechanical buttons, save game profiles , 2 mappable buttons on the bottom, can got up to 1000 hz , audio controls on controller , rubber grips , only missing trigger stops , but you can turn on hair trigger in the controller app , which is really great , it is overall great and I got it for 40$.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

Oh wow, their tarantula controller looks good! Finally a Hall effect controller with a proper layout! Thanks for pointing out this brand.

[@tropicthndr]

Nope, Xbox in the trash immediately. ‘Scuff” to the rescue as it never disappointed

[@0f00]

@tropicthndr it isnt by xbox

[@0f00]

@tropicthndr also on the g7 , the face plate is removable by magnetics so you can hot swap the joysticks if you wish so , and you can buy custom face plate's

[@GlitteredUp4Easter]

That's nice but xbox's dpad is still better. They should have had a more circular background shape to it like the series controllers.

[@crittobobby]

Honestly one of the best videos published so far! Super useful, as I know countless people spending 5+ hours researching just to end up with a mediocre solution that will last either 2-3 sessions and start to suffer of the ever-lasting problem of stick drifting, or end up in a drawer because unfathomably bad to use.

[@SECTOR-si2cb]

The 8BitDo Ultimate is by far my favorite controller for PC. I used to use Xbox One controllers with a USB C cable and it did the job. But 8BitDo's offering feels like a first party controller for my PC rather than a console controller hooked up to my computer. Plus, it has a wireless charging dock that connects it to my PC once I take it off and disconnects it when I place it, and that's also very nice!

[@rstefinson]

6:59 bro stoned with the controllee itself 💀

[@Ivan-up7ny]

There is absolutely no discussion about GuliKit and Flydigi in this video.

[@sovo1212]

But more importantly, no mention at all about gyro, which conveniently is what the Ultimate 2C lacks. Also picking an easy, mediocre contender for comparison like a Logitech controller, instead of actual competitors like Gulikit, Flydigi, or even the DIY Alpakka. This video was paid by 8bitdo.

[@maaren3150]

@sovo1212 I severely doubt it was paid for, if it was they would have to disclaim that.

[@AndrewStackk]

The 2C also does not support the Switch which is a major oversight IMO

[@Truth-kc8cp]

@@sovo1212 can u give me a recom for controller with a good gyro?

[@Nukle0n]

@@sovo1212 It doesn't have gyro because xinput doesn't have gyro at all, and it's xinput only over the included dongle, there's no BT support where you'd normally find your dinput which would do the gyro.

[@paul9812-t3i]

GameSir have been killing lately as well, got a Nova Lite and it's not even a just good value, it's good good!