alot of military applications make use of normal controllers because they are already designed well for human input, so its not just that specfic submarine
@capichow2 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🏆
@capichow2 ай бұрын
I like ps3 controllers still Genuine ones With PC desktop nvidia plasma
@MancunianManxman2 ай бұрын
*submersible
@Landscape_Ай бұрын
playing subnautica with that controller is the ultimate inmersive experience
@michelhernandez3488Ай бұрын
Which controller are you referring to? (of all those mentioned)
@jodaf1n_67Ай бұрын
@@michelhernandez3488 he refers to the logitech which the OceanGate submarine used
@HarshKumar-gh9ucАй бұрын
While driving the cyclops🙃
@yhunterz6954Ай бұрын
@michelhernandez3488 the Logitech one, cause it was the controller used on the submarine who disappeared
@michelhernandez3488Ай бұрын
@@yhunterz6954 Thanks, now I understand, I didn't realize it was a joke.
@danilodjurovic84452 ай бұрын
I'm not an aggressive person, but if you gave me 5 minutes with the person that decided to put 4cent potentiometers in 100E+ controllers, I would be locked away for a long time.
@CanIHasThisName2 ай бұрын
At this point, the only possible explanation is that they want their controllers to fail so that people to keep buying new ones.
@VitalVampyr2 ай бұрын
@@CanIHasThisName To be fair the cap on the sticks or the stabilizing springs usually wear out beyond usability before the potentiometer. Same with the spring in the triggers. At least this was true before the people apparently started to expect controllers with analog sticks to survive being roughly stuffed into a pocket or backpack.
@dazombiekilla99902 ай бұрын
ah yes, arguments as to why expensive tech shouldnt be improved in one of the most obvious and lowest cost way possible @VitalVampyr
@genesisfan0292 ай бұрын
Nobody is scared of you so just stop. You wouldn’t do anything.
@Sonikadu2 ай бұрын
@@CanIHasThisName having an internal battery instead of using AA or AAAs is complete death sentence, in about 2 to 4 years none of those controllers will be working. My Xbox360 is just fine here. It is VERY difficult to find an 100% non-modified PS3 controller still working (without cables, of course)
@Potato_n_TomatoАй бұрын
8bitdo is absolutely goated. Great dpad, low input lag, hall effect sticks, cheap, Wukog design, etc. The only problem is the angle of the sides
@doctorobvyous2 ай бұрын
I participated in FIRST robotics in highschool. My team was entirely self funded, zero recognition from the school. The F310 was a more than servicable input device for prototyping, testing features, and even for use in competition. Sometimes you dont need a perfect controller, sometimes you just need cheap and easy input devices.
@simonarthur4992 ай бұрын
Nice. Competed in World's the year it was in St Louis. FIRST robotics is great
@rebelone11142 ай бұрын
I also had extensive use with these things in my FTC days :D
@Avruthlelbh2 ай бұрын
Good thing there's now better options for the same price.
@yaboistewbot2 ай бұрын
@@doctorobvyous my team, robohawks 346, went to worlds last year and it was amazing.
@SonicBlueTyphoon2 ай бұрын
Hey! I’m also a mentor in First Robotics for my high school I used to go to. We also use an Xbox controller for our input. Small world!
@ShreddedShredder02 ай бұрын
The fact that wireless latency is shorter than wired latency is just crazy.
@paul26092 ай бұрын
It's just the difference in polling rate: 125Hz wired vs 1000Hz wireless. If it's 1000Hz wired then it should match or beat 1000Hz wireless.
@Woot-22 ай бұрын
Dualsense can be overclocked to 8000Hz on a wired pc connection with a little work (:
@Leedzboyz2 ай бұрын
@@Woot-2 not much work at all just download the software and change the rate in like 2 clicks😂
@TheAbdID2 ай бұрын
@@Woot-2 no zhats not working at all. Its olly repeating the same input 8 times. Just look it up
@MV-ri7zu2 ай бұрын
@@Woot-2yeah, but that is the worst thing you could do lol
@Cronosonic2 ай бұрын
The reason people like the F310's D-pad is because it's a _Sega-style_ pad, which a lot of people swear by due to functioning in a different way from Nintendo-style d-pads. There's very few controllers these days that use a Sega-style d-pad, outside of actual throwback pads like 8Bitdo's own M30 pad or Retro-Bit's Sega controllers, such as the Saturn Pro (which has hall effect sticks!) Edit: Just for additional context for those who don't wanna look at the replies: It's the "floating" d-pad style that still feels good to use but also provides better feel and handling for diagonals, which is why a lot of fighting game players prefer it, but it's good for any game where you don't want analog control but also better handling for complex digital inputs.
@Catorlyt2 ай бұрын
Why do people like sega dpads? What do they do differently?
@joshua_lee7322 ай бұрын
I agree I love the D pad on mine. Plus the buttons work though the sticks do drift on mine. But it's cheap enough I can replace the controller and pretty much get the same thing I already have but new
@GUCFan2 ай бұрын
@@Catorlyt For some its because they're amazing for fighting games, being able to quickly tell if you're hitting your corners while trying to pull off a special move and whatnot.
@Catorlyt2 ай бұрын
@@GUCFan like 8 directions instead of 4 or?
@GUCFan2 ай бұрын
@@Catorlyt 8 directions yeah, the way a Sega style d-pad is made, you have a better time telling if you're hitting a corner direction.
@pederikodelaguza2 ай бұрын
I have f310 for more than 10 years and works as day 1. You can buy 2 or 3 for the price of others. I mostly never use d pad except for inventory/map kind of thing in rpgs. Great budget option! I also like your chair
@murdoch910618 күн бұрын
The wired Ulimate 2C cost almost the same and will be much better but I get it, if it last that long and works, I'd love it too! :)
@Forlong212 ай бұрын
That Logitech controller is a staple of robotic teams also
@Marauder-q2v2 ай бұрын
and in deep ocean exploration... well was
@MountainWo1f2 ай бұрын
Much agreed. was the almost the only controller I saw in FTC (first tech challenge) and common place in FRC (first robotics competition). The xbox controller was becoming common place in more recent years.
@joshua_lee7322 ай бұрын
That's because it uses USB 2 and has a very open spec sheet
@christophermullins71632 ай бұрын
That's neat AF. Robotics are such a sexy thing for a tech and mech geek.
@Tuatha_De_Gaming2 ай бұрын
@@MountainWo1f much*
@silokhawk2 ай бұрын
The 8bitdo d-pad is modeled after the SNES one, which gamers who use it over the stick swear by. The Xbox d-pad being low and clicky is because most modern games only use it now for hotkeys. It's not ideal for primary use. I feel like you'd have to be one of those people who would boot up a NES emulator and play games with the stick to somehow think the 8bitdo/Logitech d-pad is subpar.
@lesfrisbees2 ай бұрын
@@silokhawk I love the Xbox Series clicky d-pad for all uses. It’s so much more crisp and precise for me. That said, the 8BitDo Ultimate edged out the Xbox One and Series controllers for my favorite. I have the regular Ultimate that came with a charging dock, and I’m considering getting the 2C for its better input latency.
@XionSteel2 ай бұрын
To be fair, when i use my sn30pro i sometimes need to swap to using the stick if i need to make fast back and forth movements, also it being 4 directions means you can't roll it. That said, i do mindlessly swap back and forth between the d-pad and stick as i play so that says more about it then just saying its bad.
@epocfeal2 ай бұрын
You don't have to be some hard core gamer to realize you get faster and more precise input on a DPAD for 2d platformers. Linus compliments the deadzone of the sticks while playing super meat boy- you know what physically can't even have a dead zone? A dpad- this is insane I know I can hardly believe it
@keir922 ай бұрын
This is why the PlayStation stick layout is clear. I can’t use the dpad for those serious dpad games without it being in the primary position, but I can use the stick if it’s low down.
@NickBaysingar2 ай бұрын
I wish 8BitDo would make an Xbox style controller with the Sega style d-pad that their M30 controller has. That has always been my favorite kind of d-pad and it gets overlooked so much with modern controller designs.
@brittb16962 ай бұрын
It really does need to be said more often: "disposable batteries" can also be "rechargeable batteries." We've had rechargeable AAs since before I was born. Frankly, they're the more ecological option, compared to "battery life has run out, time to through out the whole controller."
@rogerjones2 ай бұрын
Came here to say this. I don't want a controller that can't accept replaceable batteries. I have rechargeables and when my device says my controller is running low, I swap them with another set that are all charged up. I don't have to choose between not playing or being chained to a device/wall so it can charge while I'm playing.
@StuffTested2 ай бұрын
This is why I wish 18650 batteries were more replaceable without soldering.
@Jaysonsrage2 ай бұрын
I hate integrated batteries SO MUCH!! That's the reason I never picked up an Elite V2. I adore my V1 and would like an upgrade but adding an integrated battery is an objective downgrade to me
@mitrovarr2 ай бұрын
@StuffTested they certainly exist with button tops, just like a giant AA cell. Too bad few devices use them.
@admaerable2 ай бұрын
I don't understand how someone can prefer built-in batteries over replaceable AAs. Linus reaction to 8bitdo was pure cringe "Oh wow! That controller will die in a couple of years! How nice!"
@rustyesh_nocommАй бұрын
I have the Logitech Rumblepad 2 (same as F310) since 2008!! and it hasnt broken yet!! Still works just like day one. All buttons and sticks just perfect. Not a single complaint in 16 years! Dualsense/Xbox has drifting problem? Never faced on Rumblepad 2 even after so many years. Only downside...it doesn't have analog triggers (LT and RT)....just buttons. Thats why F310 came and replaced the buttons with actual analog triggers.
@RavenGlenn2 ай бұрын
I'm glad 8bitdo is getting the respect they deserve, but the 8bitdo Pro 2 is the best damn controller around.
@rrrr6863Ай бұрын
Facts, I LOVE mine. Makes all my Nintendo switch games not feel laggy. I keep it in 2.4 hz and can okay lag free from 20 feet away. Not to mention, hall effect sticks, programmable back buttons and a REALLT cool hassle free charging stand that looks GOOD with the inderect LED strip that comes on when you set the controller down to charge! And OH YA, AN AWESOME SPOT FOR DONGLE for safe storage!
@HuuuuuuueАй бұрын
@@RavenGlenn It's a nice controller but I've been absolutely floored by the quality to price in Flydigi's controllers, where you can get mechanical face buttons, Hall effect sticks, analog / digital trigger switches, and programmable extra face and back buttons for like $70 when most other controllers with those features start at twice that.
@cmaxz817Ай бұрын
Fellow 8bitdo Pro 2. I'm absolutely floored with the seamless feature to connect between Switch and Xbox/PC. I don't have PS and I don't plan to own one anytime soon since their game library sucks.
@1ordTakeoАй бұрын
@@RavenGlenn Yes YES I AM NOT INSANE!
@RicolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaАй бұрын
@@rrrr6863 2.4? The Pro 2 doesn't have a 2.4 ghz dongle.
@IceTypes2 ай бұрын
I think Linus didn't stress how important hall-effect joysticks are to a controller. They allow the close to zero dead zone and, most importantly, they last the lifetime of the controller. Stick drift is a huge problem, both Microsoft and Sony faced class action lawsuits for their faulty analog sticks. I cycled through 3 Xbox controllers in 5 years due to this problem. I have my 8bitdo (ultimate Bluetooth edition) for 2,5 years and it's good as new.
@Verchiel_2 ай бұрын
tbf there was a video a while back that covered the king kong 2 pro which used hall effect as the center piece of the video iirc, but yea i agree more people should learn just how bad everyone has been getting ripped off with destined-to-fail controllers.
@gorkskoal93152 ай бұрын
Hall effects aren't good if the rest of the controller is crap and or the software is: looking at you gamesir.
@kingchangling2 ай бұрын
@@gorkskoal9315 sadly true. i got a RG556, a android gaming handheld, that uses switch style analogs with hall effect sticks and because of bad software on the handheld have some bad directional snapping so while the sticks are nice with no dead zone its got other issues tied to it
@jsnotlout33122 ай бұрын
@@gorkskoal9315 Are they really that bad? Mine has been working fine
@bshinkara2 ай бұрын
@@Verchiel_ I was surprised they didn't have the Gulikit controllers for just that reason. The KK3 has Hall FX sticks & triggers, plus tactile buttons, plus the same 1000hz polling rate as the 8bitdo and does BT/Wired. I love mine, great controller. I guess it is double the price of the 8bitdo, but the form factor is nicer.
@funkyfox20412 ай бұрын
RE the F310: you can regularly find them in places for $15 or even $10 US, they hold up under abuse pretty well especially for that price, and the 310 is the only controller I know of that can do BOTH XInput and Dinput via a sliding switch on the back. The thing *never* has compatibility issues. I speak from experience here, I've owned four of them since 2010.
@Jack-bg5bb2 ай бұрын
8bitdo has the same slider
@the_wiki94082 ай бұрын
It’s so uncomfortable. I bought one and couldn’t even make it 15 minutes with it before throwing it in the junk drawer. So cheap it’s not even worth selling it.
@CanuckGod2 ай бұрын
My main Windows PC has the most recent generation of Xbox Series controller connected via Bluetooth, but for my secondary Linux box the Logitech F310 is my go-to, as I do like to play older fighting game titles on that one and the diagonals are amazing on its d-pad. I did buy a Ultimate C for it a while ago but ended up setting it aside, as unlike the old problem that 8BitDo gamepads had in terms of registering multiple direction presses, the current Ultimate C (for me, at least) doesn't seem to register diagonals very well and makes it really hard to play those sorts of games with the d-pad, so I'll be using the F310 for the Linux PC for the foreseeable future.
@Xyzair2 ай бұрын
So... like are all 4 still alive?
@Xbob422 ай бұрын
It's the only controller you know that can do that? Must not use many controllers, then.
@HexumoniumАй бұрын
We gotta talk about haptics and whatnot. I've noticed that controllers at the $30 price point don't vibrate whatsoever. Am I wrong? Why did this feature go unmentioned?
@dirk-stridrogen-monoxideАй бұрын
I have a pretty popular, under $30 controller that vibrates (VOYEE) and vibration at that price point is nothing special at all. The first thing I did with it was to turn it off. It's more like a rattle than a vibration, and it's really loud. I can't say it of every budget controller, but you can tell the motors are pretty cheap and just used so they can put it on the advertising to make it seem more fully-featured
@alephkasai9384Ай бұрын
Controllers at that price range use old rumble motors that are cheap and reliable but have nowhere near the feedback of the voice coils that high end controllers use. Rumble motors have been here since the 360/ps3 era and that's what they used back then for haptics.
@cburn-YTАй бұрын
for a lot of us thats honestly a good thing, I remove the motors in my 360 and xone controllers to make em lighter and have a better battery life but if the 8bitdo controllers don't have motors and it didn't get mentioned thats kinda surprising
@LorienWicckАй бұрын
@@alephkasai9384 ps1 era
@alephkasai9384Ай бұрын
@@LorienWicck Oh woops you're right sorry
@katonbot2 ай бұрын
They just casually skipped the fact that the dualsense has the second lowest latency while in bluetooth and somehow has worse latency in wired mode lmao
@NinjAsylum2 ай бұрын
That is definitely a misprint. They wrote it backwards.
@zaychavitch53172 ай бұрын
@@NinjAsylum that's a real thing that happened on the DS4 as well, Bluetooth latency for Playstation controllers is lower by default than wired on pc until you use third-party software to overclock the wired polling rate.
@jordibtje2 ай бұрын
Yes indeed the Bluetooth is generally faster because of the polling rate, but a bit more inconsistent
@TheWeaponshold2 ай бұрын
This is also true of wired vs unwired keyboards and mice and has been for a long time. LTT themselves tested it years back and found, to their shock, that wireless was often faster response than wired. Not always, but wireless has come a LONG way and if you bought stuff in the last 5-10 years and it has a wireless mode chances are its faster than, or at least as good as, a wired connection.
@winnieid27272 ай бұрын
The problem with wireless is that it depends on how much interference you have. I need to move my keyboard, mouse, and pads receiver to just the right place. Its subltle difference, but you can feel it in games.
@LordHonkInc2 ай бұрын
The first third-party controller that really impressed me was the 8bitdo SN30 Pro. Once the Ultimate with the Hall-effect sticks came out, it was a no-brainer. Hands down _the_ best controller I've ever had. Keep your HD rumble, keep your haptic triggers, I will not go back to first party controllers until they can match this level of quality for less than fifty bucks.
@crajabli2 ай бұрын
@@LordHonkInc haptic triggers are a must to me because if the racing games, can’t race without them because of the feedback in braking 😭
@CaptainRex3322 ай бұрын
I love my ultimate 3 mode Xbox controller I do at times miss my ps5 controller but it’s worth it since it can’t get stick drift unlike my dual sense that had it as soon as I started using it
@riffrider_2 ай бұрын
sn30 pro is the controller I use exclusively. It has better joysticks than a ds4, a precise d-pad, turbo, and nostalgia.
@fakeyhero2 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more!!
@LordHonkInc2 ай бұрын
@@crajabli Fair point, haven't played a racing game on the PS5 so I overlooked that use case.
@Laggex_2 ай бұрын
8BitDo owner here. if you’re a casual gamer and need a solid controller - i would very much recommend it. docking station makes it a lot better. when you’re done you just put controller down and you don’t even think about charging
@JoshR8422 ай бұрын
What's the best way to charge the Ultimate 2C if you don't get a docking station for it?
@nup722 ай бұрын
Ex-8bitdo owner here, if your a medium/heavy controller user i would pass on these. Have had 3 in the past where the D-pad stopped inputting correctly on 1 of them and 2 others with bumper input issues. No easy way to repair them either. I had a wireless xbox controller before i started trying 8bitdo controller and i still have it today which is my main controller. Do need to replace bumpers on the xbox controller but can get a pack of 10 for a buck and easy enough to replace. No integrated battery either so its a simple battery change instead of having to be forced onto wire when battery runs out, which is great if you use rechargeable AA batteries. The 8bitdo really impressed me at the start but you only get 1 to 2 years life out of each of them & not being able to change battery is a pain in the hole. Xbox controllers unfortunately are still the best out of a bad bunch for their longevity and compatibility on pc.
@404eitch2 ай бұрын
The triggers are also way worse than the original xbox ones and the parts where your hands go are at a way worse angle than on a normal controller. Decent for the price, but even if the joysticks will break easier i wouldn't choose it over the first party controller if i had the choice again.
@josebarraza49792 ай бұрын
ive been using 8butdo controllers for like 6 years now! love em!
@Hellwalker8552 ай бұрын
8Bitdo has always been overpriced. They've only recently gotten better.
@draxrdax7321Ай бұрын
As i am someone with big hands, i find the F710 an almost perfect fit. I would have preferred if it was a bit wider too, since my shoulders are also large and i have to slouch a bit to be able to properly hold it. Battery life is very good (about 3 months of using it 2-6h per day) but i'm not using the rumbles. Very responsive and wakes up on pressing a button, goes to sleep after a minute or so of not pressing any button. On PC is immediately identified by any game as "Xbox controller" and had no issues with compatibility.
@sidewalkere2 ай бұрын
6 years old F310 here. Cost me 25€ and it still works pretty much like in the first day. Cheap, indestructible tech that just works is my favorite kind of tech.
@lelouchlamperouge59102 ай бұрын
Like 10 years F710 here and wouldn't change it for anything. I had a F310 back them when I was a kid and broke the cord, but the controller itself is indestructible.
@patyos22 ай бұрын
Same lol F310 wired the controls just works and there’s no input lag. Plus the cheap price makes it easy to pick up for 4 player local multiplayer for some retro local multiplayer action. Although I mostly use mouse and keyboard on pc anyway
@IPendragonI2 ай бұрын
"indestructible", doubt it survived that submarine implosion
@mrminecraft47722 ай бұрын
@@IPendragonI the controller is what caused it, they dropped it and it punched through the bottom of the cabin
@NiSE_Rafter2 ай бұрын
I had to take mine part to fix a few times before I moved on to other options (cant remember the issue it's been too long). Maybe I had a bad unit but I wouldnt buy another. Granted I also had to take apart my xbox controller too... And in comparison chinese 3rd party ones have had zero issues lol.
@Wildblood2 ай бұрын
“Oh right, the controller” is the best endorsement a controller can get.
@Frieze_XD2 ай бұрын
2:56 I honestly thought the Logitech controller was even older than that
@KoenDoesThings2 ай бұрын
It's based on a design from 2005
@ZhilBear2 ай бұрын
@@KoenDoesThings Even older, there's a precursor that was very similar, which doesn't have sticks yet, only d-pad, which was back in the 90s (I owned one)
@angrysocialjusticewarrior2 ай бұрын
@@ZhilBear jeez dude, like how ancient are you? You are probably old enough to have actually held a real floppy disk in your hand instead of just seeing a floppy icon.
@Under_the_Iceberg2 ай бұрын
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Ouch! Hit right in the age. :(
@Under_the_Iceberg2 ай бұрын
@@ZhilBear Between the controller with only d-pad and the F310, they did have another precursor which had dual sticks but was d-input only. I still have it and it worked the last time I tried it although I haven't touched it in years now because everything is x-input now.
@ExtraTrstlАй бұрын
I haven't tried it personally but hear me out: The floating D-Pad on that Logitech sounds AWESOME. Because you're not grabbing the controller with hands straight on, but at an angle. Put your hands out like you're holding an "air controller" and Move your left thumb "up", it doesn't go up but performs a small arc with a not insignificant curve to it. The floating d-pad will track your thumb as it's actually moving across the controller (again, not having used it) theoretically allowing for a more natural movement, especially when moving between d-pad directions (think, 180 move from "up to down"). It moving also helps prevent those thumbs sores which are a result of this very phenomenon - stiff, immutable d-pads and a higher-than-needed applied force with your thumb used to compensate for the angled movement (i.e., you push harder to ensure you're rotating the "right" way on the d-pad). I think it might be less specific for purely directional button presses (i.e., hitting "left then up then left" rather than a singular movement of left-to-up-to-left) but otherwise I'm... realllly interested in that floating d-pad design.
@blad...2 ай бұрын
I generally use DualSense but.... I wont lie.... Playing on a family member's Switch.... Taking the Joy-Con controllers apart and using them in each hand while you relax is AMAZING. You can literally stretch, scratch an itch, sprawl out with arms wide apart on the couch, all while still playing. Its the most comfortable gaming ever. Splitting the controller in two! Never get shoulder/back pains or any discomfort.
@jackthatmonkey89942 ай бұрын
Splitting them is amazing. As somebody with large palms I wish there were some that were "big classic controller snipped in 2" for the ergonomics
@sengir2 ай бұрын
@@jackthatmonkey8994 you have options, aftermarket joy cons but bigger
@NoxiousNinja2 ай бұрын
@blad... It's just a pity that the signal is so weak. If I happen to, e.g., get my knee in between the joycon and the switch, I start getting lag, dropped inputs, or disconnects. :-/
@blad...2 ай бұрын
@@NoxiousNinja hmm, maybe you have too much interference from other electronics bcuz I didn't have any of those problems the few hours-long sessions I had, small sample size tho as I didn't play many times.
@BlackJesus84632 ай бұрын
@@blad... and laggy af
@harth052 ай бұрын
After going through all controllers youtubers recommended me I ended up with the F310. I think the problem is that the youtubers who test 3rd party controllers is they never test it if it is durable, they just use it while they are making the video and forget they ever own it. I can't recommend the 8bitdo since my warranty got denied, it broke after 3 months of buying it. I am more confident with the F310 since Logitech will always honor your warranty even if you don't need it cause it will never break.
@bobthemagicmoose2 ай бұрын
@@harth05 yeah, I’ve been through a couple F310s. Both had stick drift and button collapse issues… but it was a $14 controller that I could pick up at the local store and lasted me plenty long.
@titaochen52492 ай бұрын
Very good point here. Durability of a gaming controller incredibly important, even if something is cheap and affordable if it breaks without much use then it's not a good product. Shame that youtubers will never actually take this into account when reviewing a product
@TheCurtisnixon2 ай бұрын
Logitech is the best for warranty. No questions, just replaced. I explained what I did to troubleshoot, so maybe that's why no questions, but still, amazing support. Nothing but praise for logitech warranty and products. Are they the best? No. But they don't have to be. I've never been dissapointed with their products. I've had an f710 for a few years. It's been great till the stick started drifting, after 5 or 6 years of heavy use. I am not nice to my sticks.... just ask my x52, which logitech replaced, again, no questions asked as again, I explained my troubleshooting. Which actaully kinda amazed me. A 200$(cdn) hotas replaced. And the problem ended up being the wires going up the shaft of the stick. they break pretty easily, mostly because they're too short. I repaired, by replacing the wires. Posted an ifixit too, so people could do the same, if they really wanted to spend a couple hours. Which I think a lot of people would, if they knew how.
@aracnadei132 ай бұрын
Exactly. The fact that my 710 has outlasted multiple others from other companies, including first party controllers which cost a lot more says everything. If I wanted a more premium controller experience, I'd buy a Gulikit.
@Leriomat9 күн бұрын
I bought two 8Bitdo SN30, one broke and the other started malfunctioning already. Needless to say, I became wary of this company...
@naxos06522 ай бұрын
And here i am using a PS2 controller with a USB adapter. He's served me well for 10 years now i'm not going to retire him just because i changed platforms
@nesamdoom2 ай бұрын
PS got controller design good, then have kept making them better over time. I don't hate some cheap controller, but most copy PS because it's a good design and has worked since the 90s
@naxos06522 ай бұрын
@@nesamdoom It's just that good
@JFTSwiertz2 ай бұрын
Never had a ps2 controller, but my girlfriend got me hooked on the PS3 for emulating just about anything, its surprisingly comfortable, quiet, and the layout is perfectly balanced between stick use or buttons for old classics.
@108kitsune2 ай бұрын
PS2 was peak controller
@Archipelagoes2 ай бұрын
Me but in PS3 Con 😳
@NuBokoАй бұрын
Okay, watched this when it was released, bought the controller the following day and I can say from personally trying it. It’s perfect… I got an all white one with the charging dock and the Hall effect joysticks for $45 on Amazon. It’s perfect for my needs, due to my setup. I run launchbox off my living room TV and when I used Xbox or PS controllers they often lost connection because of my towers location. This (with its dongle) solves the issue and it’s just a solid controller. Definitely recommend
@adicsbtw2 ай бұрын
The only reason I've used an F310 before is because of robotics weirdly enough your options are: XBox, PlayStation, or the F310 and considering the price gap, the F310 is just a no brainer because it's much cheaper. And, to it's credit, our team never experienced any stick drifting on that controller
@jordibtje2 ай бұрын
Was it inside of a submarine by any chance?
@catto-from-heaven2 ай бұрын
Why you can't use other controllers for that purpose?
@uncanny_mac46602 ай бұрын
@@jordibtje I know the joke gets made a lot but even some military robotics also use the same controller It's used because it works. Although the thing that Ocean Gate did that was stupid was go for wireless. which is really dumb because what if you run out of battery down there?
@ElCidCampeador19942 ай бұрын
@@uncanny_mac4660 in the video the man said that the had some spare controllers.
@bio9288Ай бұрын
I own the wired version from a while back. Its a very durable controller. But jesus the dead zones on those sticks are terrible. I agree with linus that deadzones ruin otherwise perfectly good controllers.
@doslover2 ай бұрын
13:05 - I was expecting a classic "Stop it, get some help" 😄
@ChainPenguin2 ай бұрын
Same.😂
@KryXun2 ай бұрын
@@doslover stage 1 brain rot, "thinking in memes"
@doslover2 ай бұрын
@@KryXun I'm sure I'm well past stage one at this point 😁
@KevinFought2 ай бұрын
Also for the super budget gamers, 8bitdo offers the ultimate 2c in a wired variant for only $25. I have the wired 8bitdo wired ultimate 2c Black Myth Wukong edition controller and its honestly my favorite PC controller
@Idontcare.6382 ай бұрын
@@KevinFought it starts with
@emporioalnino46702 ай бұрын
@@Idontcare.638 ONE GAME, WITHOUT A DRIVE IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER THAT THEY RAISED THE PRICE
@rstefinsonАй бұрын
6:59 bro stoned with the controllee itself 💀
@Taur23452 ай бұрын
I think what kept the f310's going for so long was that it was for the longest time the solution to people wanting a Playstation controller on PC without resorting to crazy adapters/mods etc. I remember using a logitech controller for everything back in the day they even made wireless PS2 controllers that were basically the PS2 equivalent of the Gamecube wavebird which was amazing at the time. Add that to the fact that they were freaking indestructible (mine was tossed around in a laptop bag for YEARS without the sticks ever drifting or a single button breaking) and you have a winner for a lot of people
@TomSoysauce2 ай бұрын
I love this type of video format. The idea of “here’s the most popular/first party [insert peripheral here], and now, if you’re willing to sacrifice 10% on quality, here is something half the price.”
@JimIBobIJonesАй бұрын
How are you sacrificing in quality? HE sticks are massive upgrades from the shitty sticks in first party controllers. After using only first party Xbox controllers, I switched to a 8bitdo ultimate (the original version) and its been so much better in every way compared to the xbox controller (at least for PC, I think you can't use it with Xbox wirelessly due to proprietary wireless BS).
@CorrosiveCitrusАй бұрын
What about gaining 25% on quality for half the price
@Decipher132 ай бұрын
The F310 used to be known as the “Dual Action” gamepad and has been around a lot longer than since 2010. IGN reviewed it in 2003. They may have made changes to the internals slightly and they changed the buttons from numbers to the Xbox A,B,X,Y etc but it looks almost the same and is basically functionality identical to the Dual Action.
@vlt962 ай бұрын
They should do a refresh with Bluetooth and USB C. The Xbox, PS5 and the 8bitdo controllers allow bluetooth, dongle and wired connections. The Xbox One controller even has a little quirk that allows you to wirelessly connect any wired headphones.
@AnalogSins2 ай бұрын
Not only that, the F310 is basically a remix of the best industry solutions. It has a Saturn D-pad, a dualshock layout, but with Xbox triggers, that are properly heavy like the OG duke controller. So it is an A+ choice, for any game, that is digital input dependent, (emulators), and almost all indie games, which is a market that is huuge right now. It is also excellent for racing games, because of the classic pot, heavy sprung triggers. Hall effects are too light for proper throttle adjustment. Also it is wired, so no faffing around with batteries, or fighting with aliexpress to find the "right" replacement recargable one, it is cheap to buy. Also it has Dinput for older games, and Xinput for newer ones. But even that goes further. There are better and worse inplemented Xinput controllers. (In my view, this kinda has to do with what device ID the controller reports.) And the f310 is one of the GOOD ones. It works with a ps3, if hacked even in dinput mode, it works with an RGH-d 360 if it has the xinput lock patch (the series controller does NOT get the same privilage). Ps3 and 360 controllers, are almost impossible to buy these days in reasonable condition. It works with ancient games, and ancient versions of retroarch, because it reports as a dual action is dinput mode (which is a staple in the industry) The bottom line is, that this inexpensive, well made controller solves a lot of your problems, if you need a controller. The reason it is popular, is because it is a hall of fame GREAT product.
@Priest0152 ай бұрын
Ok I'm not crazy lmao. I was gonna say I had that controller WAY WAY before 2010 lol
@Badguy292Ай бұрын
I actually still have my Dual Action right here, in solid blue and with numbers instead of AB/XY. Still works like it's first day.
@japajarabada2 ай бұрын
I have 4 8Bitdo Sn30 Pro+ for my couch coop PC gaming setup and i highly recommend them. By very far the best controllers i've ever used. Work with Nintendo Switch, Linux and Windows so far. Built like tanks, batteries last forever, USB-C charging. The US SNES versions also have two concave buttons and two convexe buttons and i love that very little touch. Having the D-Pad as centerpiece on the left side is loyal to the SNES layout and the symetrical thumbsticks are loyal to PlayStation layout, which are the consoles you want to emulate anyways (be honest with yourself).
@eag89992 ай бұрын
GameSir G7 HE = $45, hall effects sticks and triggers, 1000hz polling rate, xbox compatible, clicky buttons and d pad, rubber grip, 2 mappable back buttons. The GOAT for Xbox.
@pure64502 ай бұрын
Yeah there are plenty of chinese offerings which smash the selected lineup in price performance. No Flydigi either or machenike
@MrGedem2 ай бұрын
So, it's like 8bitdo, but x1.5 pricier? And it's wired? But why? Ok, I got it, it have to be wired for xbox (f* MS for forbidding wireless 3rd party controllers), but 8bitdo also have this wired xbox variants, and there is no point in wired controller for PC.
@aztin28912 ай бұрын
@@MrGedem subjective, but I find the g7 more comfortable, also 8bitdo doesn’t have the two programmable buttons on the back
@Will_Fong2 ай бұрын
As an 8bit do ex owner, their wireless sucks on pc , randomly windows update will screw it up, even without ms screwing them on and off u might lose pairing , its just too much hassle , in the end u will use cable for it, as a general guide anything beside first party xbox controller , use cable for pc gaming.
@eag89992 ай бұрын
@@MrGedem 8bitdo has 1000hz polling on xbox?
@amantohugnkiss2 ай бұрын
Logitech F310 user here. 12 years old and still going strong, the xbox controller I used lasted 4 years before having issues with inputs, repairing it was incredibly difficult. I think it's reliability over anything else. Not yet brought an 8BitDo controller to try, but I have heard nothing but praise for them.
@barongerhardt2 ай бұрын
I have had several F310s. They feel cheap because they are cheap, but they have out lasted all the better controllers I have ever owned. I have a bunch around for multiplayer needs, keep one in the laptop bag. If it gets left somewhere or damaged, no worries.
@krophiquon2 ай бұрын
i'd rather buy a new controller every year than have to use one of those old pieces of shit again. That being said, my xb1 controller are holding up fine
@Smol_Bronco2 ай бұрын
Yeah, but do you ever get that sinking feeling that you haven't submersed yourself in other controllers?
@budiisnadi2 ай бұрын
I love my F510, but after four years in 2016 the cable gave up.... Instead of the buttons! Too bad it's not produced again.
@nesamdoom2 ай бұрын
@@barongerhardt making cheap stuff that lasts is engineering perfection.
@misterlinkloquendo192 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I have the F310, and it feels pretty good to me. It’s like an in-between of the small PS2/PS3 controller with some width of the Xbox controller. Plus, the switch on the back might prove useful for old games when you can change between D-input and X-input. Also, in the front, there’s a button where you can switch the D-pad and left joystick, letting you move with the D-pad the left joystick and vice versa. It’s really serviceable and cheap!”
@markmathews21432 ай бұрын
To be honest, I don't think Linus really knows what he's talking about here. He clearly is a controller novice outside of his favourites.
@kartikeygupta395827 күн бұрын
2 years ago I bought a $12 controller exactly like that with 1 year warranty, it got everything and can connect with every gaming device I have, it got 4 different mode including xbox 360. Freaking perfection!
@tmcprod2 ай бұрын
The great thing about the f710 (and 310F) is that it has a playstation layout but works fine with Xinput.
@patyos22 ай бұрын
And the best part of the F310 Wired is no input lag And also sega style D pad is the best for retro games
@tannerdavisr2 ай бұрын
Super-high-pitched hola in that sponsor spot really got me
@tiobetio95012 ай бұрын
HOE LAH!
@mezzmerize-c2g2 ай бұрын
read my mind
@celebrate__2 ай бұрын
@@tiobetio9501lmaooo chill hahaha
@Klarden2 ай бұрын
The best thing about the F310/F510/F710 family from Logitech (and they've killed F510 since then, it was basically Rumblepad 2, but better) is the DirectInput/Xinput switch at the back, which is a killer feature for older pre-Xinput PC games and emulators if you don't want to have specialized "like the original" controller for systems you're emulating. For whatever reason 8bitdo controllers that have the same switch do not work properly in Dinput mode and consider it the "Android pairing mode". And as such, there's just no other modern alternative to work as both proper DirectInput and proper XInput controller that I know of.
@frisco5572 ай бұрын
This, I use my 710 on an XP/7 computer to play older games and it's great for that reason. On my Windows 10 machines, it's an OEM Xbox One controller
@Under_the_Iceberg2 ай бұрын
Underrated point and why I still keep my F310 around even though I have better controllers. Just so convenient that the one controller just works on literally everything.
@xZeke972 ай бұрын
thats not true the 8bitdo pro2 im 100% sure has 4 settings, one for android, one for xinput, one for switch and one for Dinput and I'm sure Ive used all 4 correctly
@bronwaith2 ай бұрын
Big up the F710 💖
@jeantechnoir7702Ай бұрын
I've recently bought a Thunderobot G70 and so far it's perfect, compatible with anything, has Hall Effect Triggers and Joysticks, extra programmable buttoms, Swappable XYAB buttons, RGB if you care about that and the battery doesn't suck ass like the PS5 controller. The G50S which I also own is the cheaper variant without the Swappable XYAB buttons but it's amazing too.
@smokinjoeblues2 ай бұрын
The reason for the F310's popularity is its durability. I've used controllers with better analog sticks and better dpads, but inevitably they break down. The F310 is just so dependable, and that's why everyone is buying (and will continue to buy) it.
@Nukle2 ай бұрын
I have gone through so many F310's because they just break on me and my 8bitdo one hasn't had any problems since I got it so idk
@aelix562 ай бұрын
@@Nukle Brother I had an f310 for like a decade Idk what you're doing with it but goddamn.
@nomisharris2 ай бұрын
My girlfriend destroys the A button on these Logitechs. Otherwise they've always been reliable for us
@MSoave2 ай бұрын
I've had an f310 for like 10 years and it's still kicking. The Bluetooth keeps disconnecting on my 8 bit duo after only 2-3 years and minimal use.
@revemb46532 ай бұрын
Dependable?
@timmyytjr11312 ай бұрын
Speaking from a FIRST Robotics perspective, we live and breathe Logitech's G F310. In FIRST Tech Challenge specifically, there are strict requirements about what can and cannot be used as a controller. For Robotics teams that have little margin between the robot, travel, competition fees, and other costs, getting a reliable, cheap controller that's legal is huge!
@PhatOof2 ай бұрын
Just like oceangate!
@QEin17862 ай бұрын
I've never been disappointed with an 8Bitdo controller.
@thailazyguy2 ай бұрын
@@QEin1786 I do, 8bitdo suck for fighting game. D-Pad is really hard and very uncomfoartable.
@Wuerfel212 ай бұрын
My wired(!) SN30 pro randomly bricked itself the other day and customer support had nothing better to say than "sorry buy a new one". Though it was so good I am tempted to actually do that. Very conflicted.
@gmoss1012 ай бұрын
@@Wuerfel21 Yeah, after a few months they provide basically zero hardware customer support which is a huge downside. That's why Hall Effect was a must for me.
@gmoss1012 ай бұрын
I haven't had any issues with mine but they do have their faults, go check the subreddit and there's people with problems.
@chasekite12 ай бұрын
@@thailazyguy just the answer i was looking for. the dpad doesnt look good for fighting games
@gunoman2363Ай бұрын
I own 2 of the 8bitdo controllers with the switch layout. It's a 60 dollar controller that works on pc (2.4) and switch(Bluetooth), and are some of the best controllers I've ever owned.
@IvanDubsK72 ай бұрын
I love the F310 honestly, my dad got it for me over a decade ago, I let it sit in my garage for years. Started cleaning it out and then found that same controller again, plugged in and it worked really well for me
@laurenw27672 ай бұрын
Today I learned that the controller I remember using an eternity ago was called the F310, and it's still popular. Wild!
@Tuatha_De_Gaming2 ай бұрын
good thing you didn't use it in a submarine lmao
@wahdangun2 ай бұрын
because its very reliable, and hard to break
@blueshift92 ай бұрын
I absolutely love my 8bitdo pro 2. One of my favorite accessory purchases ever.
@spartaninvirginia2 ай бұрын
I use the Pro2 for 3d games, M30 for 2d games. 8bitdo hasn't let me down yet.
@Turnabout2 ай бұрын
Right there with you, man. I've got four of 'em.
@Sevicify2 ай бұрын
Same, just wish I had the hall effect revision and they would add 2.4G and hall effect triggers too (hopefully they do a Pro 3 being same as 2 just with these added). Also sadly the USB port on my controller has become finicky where slight movement of the cable causes disconnections (I do wired on PC, BT on Switch), I've been able to mitigate rather well though using tape to prevent movement in the plug.
@lDyavoll2 ай бұрын
Do you know if it works on an Xbox itself? Can’t find an answer
@Sevicify2 ай бұрын
@@lDyavollThe ones shown in the video and normal Pro 2 don't work on Xbox. 8Bitdo does however have Xbox specific versions of their but they only work wired on Xbox due to licensing restrictions from Microsoft on using wireless. Interestingly though they have recently released a wireless accessibility focused controller for the Xbox using a 2.4G adapter so they should (and hopefully will) be able to release other wireless Xbox controllers using it too, I do also wonder if the adapter is compatible with their normal 2.4G controllers (I doubt it).
@StargazingCeresАй бұрын
I've tried several of these and, despite never having owned an xbox, first party xbox controller is my favorite of the bunch. Perfect fit plus removable rechargeable batteries really helped my opinion, tbh.
@theDARKlordFLUFFY2 ай бұрын
The reason people like the floaty D-pad on the Logitech is because in fighting games it mimics the feel of the Sega Saturn D-Pad, which is regarded as the best fighting game controller ever made.
@tetsuoshima2314Ай бұрын
Exactly, they just skipped over one of the #1 reasons plus the F310 has decent latency in combination, all good things for fighting games. Combined with a standard modern analog & trigger layout it holds up.
@sloestyАй бұрын
@@theDARKlordFLUFFY aint no way you want floaty for your dpad in a precise fighting game. The pro scene in street fighter is either hitbox, stick or if controller: dualshock. Ive never seen anything else apart from the occasional xbox controller.
@theDARKlordFLUFFYАй бұрын
@@sloesty Fight pads, that's all I have to say. Most have a floating disc shaped D-Pad and those that don't use the same silicone membrane that the disc have like the old Hori fight pads.
@amruzaky4939Ай бұрын
@@tetsuoshima2314what? No, it doesn't have good latency😂. F310 is terrible for fighting games because of the input lag. Open up Gamepadla Tester and tell me the number with your F310. Cause I have one, and I know the digits😂.
@AlexTenThousand2 ай бұрын
For something a bit more premium, I can personally vouch for the GameSir G7 SE - it's wired, but it has hall effect sticks and triggers, personalised profiles, 1000 Hz polling rate, rear mappable buttons (which can be blocked entirely with switches), interchangeable faceplates, and is well-made.
@jatoxo2 ай бұрын
Gamesir? Isn't that the company that ripped yuzu code and sold it on android?
@Anarchy4212 ай бұрын
Doesn't appear to be available in a wireless varient.
@onobonono2 ай бұрын
At least it doesn't look like a toy like the 8bitdo, but not being wireless is a deal breaker
@BotBrendan2 ай бұрын
Gamesir is goated. They also have wireless ones with hall effect sticks. I also thing it should be mentioned that the G7 SE cord is a removable USB C cord and not some hard wired BS.
@SavageDarkness2 ай бұрын
There is also now the HE, whish uses Hall effect for all the inputs, not just the sticks.
@joshuamiller82352 ай бұрын
I believe you might be wrong in stating that the only controller in this video with Dinput was the PS5 with dual sense. My 8-BitDo controller was a selector on the back for BOTH Xinput and Dinput. Though I have the Ultimate 2.4ghz, and I think the one you featured in the video was a different model. Either way, it's a fantastic controller. The included dock is great, and it effortlessly swaps from PC to steamdeck (via the aforementioned switch on back) Battery life is incredible, it's literally never died or even gotten close to dying (thanks to the dock) My only complaints are that the back paddles functionality only works on PC, and limited only to controller inputs. The settings IMO should be saved to the controller itself, and not be independent of the system it is being used on.
@user-cz6us7ok2j2 ай бұрын
Yep, the Logitech controllers also have an input switch on the back.
@RajaniIsa2 ай бұрын
Don't know if the 2c has it, but the non-bluetooth C at least has a button combo to swap between the two input types as well.
@geer21482 ай бұрын
how nice of youtube, rn im having problems with my xbox series controller and was just considering buying a new one, and this vid came right on time in my recommended ima go place an order on that ultimate 2c controller right away
@Matt-pv3bi2 ай бұрын
Mad catz was in every home.
@magichames39822 ай бұрын
Not by choice but necessity.
@capichow2 ай бұрын
Imagine all the death and slaves whipped to make them controllers back then
@smashed_penguin2 ай бұрын
Not in my home. Heck, I don't know if they were ever officially sold in my country because I don't recall ever seeing anything Madcatz branded at second-hand stores which I am a frequent goer toer.
@OliRotMG2 ай бұрын
still use my Madcatz game pad pro from 2005, this controller went from playing F1 2002 on XP to Elden Ring a couple months ago
@JarofSoupJars2 ай бұрын
Madcatz for ps5
@TheKevixXD2 ай бұрын
I bought the gamesir g7 and its amazing, responsiveness is immediate feels like really good quality, has hall effect, 2 mappable buttons a special app and its only like 30 usd, there is also no tension in the sticks which makes it so much smother to use
@PatrickRatman2 ай бұрын
if the app is required to make it function id consider that an absolute downgrade to the 8bitdo
@elaskin2 ай бұрын
@@PatrickRatman it is optional
@domenicdaluz2 ай бұрын
@@PatrickRatman not required for gamesir controllers but I like their app, it allows you to easily update the controller too. I like their lineup too, I own the cyclone pro and nova lite. Both decent controllers for the price with hall affect sticks and triggers
@MV-ri7zu2 ай бұрын
@@PatrickRatman how is that a downgrade? Are you tech illiterate or whats the issue?
@PatrickRatman2 ай бұрын
@@MV-ri7zu Okay so if an app is required to run a completely separate device that by its nature should function entirely on its own, it is a downgrade. forcing connectivity by an app only gives companies control of the product you purchased and essentially allows them to make your product no longer work whenever they want by simply no longer supporting the app.
@LuckyCatGamingАй бұрын
I got Canyon GPW3 controller for about same price as featured one in the video. I was surprised with trigger buttons out of the box, honestly I didn't have many controllers anyway but feels pretty solid. Sturdy with no plastic squeaking, what sets it apart from other controllers is that it got transparent buttons and X, Y, A, B is actually under the buttons with also back light what can be dimmed or turned off completely, same for LED ring around right stick what also can be turned off with all light or just that can be on. What's interesting now are shoulder buttons. They are not traditional buttons but instead lever action like button so it got one pivot point and just one side moves. This also makes it so there's no wiggle into them what so ever and I did have lot of sessions with it. Also the way buttons are made it ensures that they won't wear off after time like on my other controller. Also back light is appropriate to xbox ones For those wondering about scratching transparent buttons...I can ensure you that after like year and half they still clean to read without issues
@MatWilson26122 ай бұрын
I've said it once, I'll say it many times more. Controllers using AA's is a better choice, it means in 10 years when the battery has worn out instead of having to either source a third party battery or struggle to find a replacement controller you'll be able to just buy some AA's. This is currently an issue with PS3 controllers to a degree, it's difficult enough to find working ones in decent condition without spending silly money.
@AndrewNiccol2 ай бұрын
I can guarantee you no controller can last 10 years, I'd five Xbox 360 controllers, two Xbox One, and one Xbox Series. They are all broken.
@kalebsparks2 ай бұрын
You can unscrew a few screws and replace the rechargeable battery. I've done it so many times on all the wireless PS controllers
@DeadNoob4512 ай бұрын
@@kalebsparks Yeah but thats anoying, and most people wont ever do that. So thats still millions of working controllers thrown into the waste.
@mercedesplay_more_kof84882 ай бұрын
@@AndrewNiccolI still have my launch day wired 360 pad, but those XB1 controllers are made of paper because they fold under even the lightest use. To this day it’s the shortest lived controller I’ve ever owned and I’ve got several controllers that are over 30 years old now.
@TheRedComet18212 ай бұрын
The analog sticks on a PS3 will turn sticky and gross before the battery goes belly up
@---on6qk2 ай бұрын
The reason I keep buying the F310 is the circular d-pad. For fighting games, there really is no alternative to what it has (apart from the super expensive xbox pro controller), Diagonal and quarter inputs are super comfortable on a circle, and it's easier to press considering the d-pad is on the top left (similar to playstation controllers) instead of the bottom left.
@Furluge2 ай бұрын
Get an MD30, much better dpad. PS2 Saturn rerelease is great too but rare.
@---on6qk2 ай бұрын
@@Furluge The controller isn't really suited for tekken, since tekken has inputs that sometimes requires 3 buttons to be pressed at once (not counting the dpad). Extra shoulder buttons would be better for that than 2 extra face buttons, since it would be hard to press the 3 you need at once.
@markmathews21432 ай бұрын
@@Furluge The problem is that every other controller, including the 8bitdo lines, is that you make concessions. The F310 seems to be the only contender that suits all fighting games across all platforms. Yes, it's a little stiff for KI 2013, but that's the only real outlier and only if you have weak fingers.
@kylep5062 ай бұрын
what dyou think of the dpads on the newer xbox controllers? I'm glad they made the change but it's still probably not as comfortable as the Pro or f310
@---on6qk2 ай бұрын
@@kylep506 They're ok, the position at the bottom left causes issues though. For quick motions, extending your thumb that far makes movement imprecise.
@hailstorm78682 ай бұрын
2:50 the submarine controller? 😆
@dustinmorse84972 ай бұрын
@@hailstorm7868 OceanGate used the wireless version.
@Synikal_Gaming2 ай бұрын
That's the only reason it made it on the list
@ChrisD__2 ай бұрын
@@Synikal_Gaming It's a pretty common controller.
@Synikal_Gaming2 ай бұрын
@@ChrisD__ sure bud, look at the purchase history
@Arinnation2 ай бұрын
O_o
@registeredblindgamer4350Ай бұрын
I bouht the 8BitDo Ultimate 2C as soon as I had seen this video. It is incredible and now both my mum and dad want one for their PC. It's my best buy of the year, cheers!
@mightyy_61892 ай бұрын
As a Logitech F710 owner, i never had a different controller. This is my first one, and it's been holding on me for 9 years now. My friends has gone thru 4 xbox cobtrollers in that time. I don't know how good or bad other controllers are, but man, the F710 is great.
@kearneytaaffe70592 ай бұрын
Yeah, one of the things LTT misses is longevity. LTT reminds me of car reviewers, "This brand new Kia is as good as a Honda, has better electronics, and more features for thousands less". They don't tell you the engine catches on fire at 75K miles and if it doesn't is utter garbage by 100K - meanwhile that Honda will make it to 300K miles.
@mightyy_61892 ай бұрын
UPDATE: after watching the video and seeing the comparison between the 2c, i'm humbled. A wierd feeling of buying something, and then realising how bad it is. I'm gonna buy the ultimate 2c asap (i tought that the latency on the F710 was just my skill issue)
@Graine012 ай бұрын
Yeah those Logitech pads are built like tanks, genuinely I have an old rumble pad 2 still flawlesly working after over a decade of abuse, i switched to a ps4 controller because some games need that touchpad, but that logitech pad will probably outlive me.
@VadimDee2 ай бұрын
@@mightyy_6189 Try Flydigi Vader 4 Pro
@TowaAkeashi2 ай бұрын
In defense of the Logitech F310 we dont get it for the asthetics. But the tactility of the "individual" buttons (especially for the dpad) gives the logitech an incredibly precise feel compared to most controllers in the same price range that use membrains under the dpad. This is great for fighting games in "my" experience since directional inputs can make or break a game.
@patyos22 ай бұрын
yeah the dpad is top tier it is a sega style D pad designed for perfect 8 directional precision including the diagonals it is perfect for retro games and especially fighting games.
@dreiistein2 ай бұрын
U should mention that the Xbox adapter dongle is somehow discontinued. You can only get it used on all major platforms
@ryanhacker94442 ай бұрын
@@dreiistein I had one and it worked for about a year then it stopped working and was too hot to touch. 3rd party one has worked for longer so far.
@sebam45462 ай бұрын
My Xbox adapter dongle works perfectly fine on my old PC with necessary drivers installed; on the newer one, naah, even when I tried to download drivers manually.
@turtlelore22 ай бұрын
I used 2 versions, the huge and small versions, and they both broke after a couple years.
@entryofemotion122 ай бұрын
So maybe it's just me, but I don't use a dongle with my xbox controller? If I'm playing wirelessly...I just turn on and use the bluetooth? I forgot the dongle even existed because of this. I know back in the days of the 360 it was a requirement for their wireless controllers, but I figured beyond that basically no one needed it?
@joeydestructo2 ай бұрын
@@entryofemotion12At least on my PC, using the dongle is mandatory because using the built in Bluetooth on my motherboard results in unplayable lag. Very odd too since my VR controllers never had any issues like that.
@MaestroKaestro14 сағат бұрын
The small deadzone on the pink controller is due to the hall effect sensor's. They are basically imune to stick drift so they dont require deadzones
@O1ez2 ай бұрын
Note for Linux users: The Dualsense is great on it. You can even control your desktop with it because the touchpad controls the mouse without any extra installation
@dumbuz2 ай бұрын
What distro/DE? You can't just say 'for Linux users' when every distro comes with different preinstalled software/drivers
@T-v2k2 ай бұрын
@@dumbuzLiterally any distro if you have a DE and dinput drivers.
@esatd342 ай бұрын
thats funny, in a good way
@O1ez2 ай бұрын
@@dumbuzThe Drivers are in the Kernel afaik
@agentswaggerbchannel2 ай бұрын
Vader 4 pro and Gulikit kk3 max were front runners last time I researched, but industry moves quick
@986kph2 ай бұрын
there's a 4 now? I'm using a vader 2. great controller, especially for the price
@acdbrn20002 ай бұрын
I use the Vader 4 Pro and I love the controller. More then any first party console controller
@guilhermeluis80412 ай бұрын
i use the vader 3 pro, and it is my favorite controller today, huge battery, light, switch click btns, smooth sticks, 6 extra btns, and just for 40 bucks
@MattyJay032 ай бұрын
Once you use a Vader 4 pro you can’t go back
@DSP_Visuals2 ай бұрын
And here I just got the Vader 3 Pro... Can't complain because I really like it, and solved several issues I was having with my Xbox controller
@TheDocDrey2 ай бұрын
Ps5 controller via bluetooth while running through steam works flawlessly every time. I just add all my games to work through steam.
@drworm732 ай бұрын
I have never been able to get mine to pair in win 11 via BT. It's an outstanding controller with a wired connection
@Felix5340gamer2 ай бұрын
@@TheDocDrey same xbox
@reylavienna13182 ай бұрын
@@TheDocDrey you can also use the trackpad as a mouse for games!
@Skylancer7272 ай бұрын
I've noticed many games were you completely lose haptics if you wanted it. I usually don't care, but that is a loss.
@ButtonBashOfficial2 ай бұрын
DS4Windows takes 5 mins to set up
@remowilliams5642 ай бұрын
I asked why they never do these videos on the WAN show about a month ago. I got a one word response from Dan: "boring".
@DM_Gazruk2 ай бұрын
For once in my life, I have bought something before a Linus video and NOT regretted it! I literally ordered a 2C this morning.
@omegaXjammur2 ай бұрын
Welcome to the club! Hands down a good investment.
@ouykcuf2 ай бұрын
I bought their ultimate Bluetooth controller months ago and am very happy with it. It's the same shape of a switch pro controller but better in every regard.
@neuronNotFound2 ай бұрын
How can you not regret it when u haven't even tried out the product yourself?
@omegaXjammur2 ай бұрын
@@neuronNotFound The regret occurs _after_ Linus has reviewed the product and found it to be bad. Because Linus and his team typically use metric data to objectively determine a product's performance, someone could find a product to be "good", but regret their purchase after, once they've found out that there are similar products that perform better.
@SDMasterYoda2 ай бұрын
0:45 You can tell there aren't many Spanish speakers in his area of Canada based on that pronunciation of "Hola."
@nathanmarshall7452 ай бұрын
If you ask a frenchman how close canadian french sounds to actual french, you'd see that we just don't care
@Nathaly5202 ай бұрын
linus: hola 🎶😊
@dexx02722 ай бұрын
Guess I'm part of that minority
@thalesvondasos2 ай бұрын
@@nathanmarshall745 Quebecois is actual French. Ironically, it even is closer in its pronounciation to historical French than modern Parisian French is.
@nathanmarshall7452 ай бұрын
@@thalesvondasos guess i should've said acadian french, either way it's canadian
@ejcutin4711Ай бұрын
Thanks to this video (and few reddit posts), I bought an 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4g Wireless Controller a week ago at a local store. It could have been the Ultimate 2C but it was not available at that time. Yet still, the one I bought is definitely worth my money after using it for a week. The charging dock and the hall effects gave me peace of mind. Not bad for a 1st controller as an early birthday gift for myself.
@RandomPerson-op1bq2 ай бұрын
8bitdo is so underrated. Included re chargeable battery, replacement parts and high quality. I use the 8bitdo pro2 and I love it!
@gluttonousmaximus90482 ай бұрын
F710 had AA cells. Puts this over ANY rechargeable ANY day.
@radioactivewaterfall58032 ай бұрын
@gluttonousmaximus9048 it can use aa cells but comes with a rechargeable battery
@lDyavoll2 ай бұрын
@@RandomPerson-op1bq Question, do you know if it works on an Xbox itself, I can’t get a clear answer anywhere
@cedric59472 ай бұрын
I'm using the Dualsense because I have a PS5 and, on Linux, it works out of the box. No tinkering needed.
@J.Wick.2 ай бұрын
I use a Stadia controller for most of my PC gaming. I actually love it. I converted it to BT after Stadia went down. Didn't cost me a dime, Google sent me a whole Stadia "Kit" about a year before it went kapooot.
@fujinshu2 ай бұрын
The Stadia controller was quite ahead of its time. Connecting directly to the game servers instead of through the client to decrease latency? That was unheard of. If only Google open-sourced their Stadia tech so that others can use it instead…
@dpgwalter2 ай бұрын
Wish I picked one up in its time. Looked super neat, just wasn’t sure it would ever get a BT mod.
@BotBrendan2 ай бұрын
good on them for sending a bt kit instead of making it obsolete
@Bassquake762 ай бұрын
I use a Stadia for Quest headset! I wonder what the bluetooths latency is like compared to others tho.
@micmur2 ай бұрын
J.Wick, do you use your Stadia controller with a Steam Deck at all? I ask because even wired it acts fussy, even in the Steam menu, and I was wondering if it was just the games I play.
@KermerPL2 ай бұрын
I've moved from Xbox One S controller to GameSir T4 Cyclone Pro around 6 months ago and I'm really happy with it. Price for either controller was similar back then, but GameSir feels higher quality and has more features. It has tactile face buttons (which some might not like), but personally I'm fine with either option.
@xanthonjp2 ай бұрын
I have been using my F710 for about 12 years now. Not for gaming, but for controlling my PC when I'm on the big screen. Reason I stuck to it is because it's the only controller I can find that auto sleeps and wakes up IMMEDIATELY when you press any button. Making it a good controller to place on the sofa for controlling windows. For gaming, I have many others.
@zer0b0t2 ай бұрын
Funny, I also use it to control Windows, for gaming it's really bad for your hands
@Vortex24092 ай бұрын
@@zer0b0t depends on hands, other controllers feels like it hangs on tips of my fingers, but f710 maintains strong grip for me
@BotBrendan2 ай бұрын
I feel like not mentioning the gamesir controllers with the Hall Effect sticks is crazy.
@technocatdance2 ай бұрын
Agree gamesir is one that would have been nice to see tested, tried one a couple years ago and it seemed pretty good
@IceTypes2 ай бұрын
They should make an episode just to cover the Chinese controllers with hall effect sticks. They're in a whole different league. Deadzones, durability, price, build quality... + gullikit as well
@Catorlyt2 ай бұрын
Love my gamesir t4 kaleid and considering buying the nova lite
@CyborgFish2 ай бұрын
My gamesir T4 is the nicest controller I've ever owned. Love it so much
@skotz33362 ай бұрын
Gamesir requires an app with all permission turned on from your phone for their controllers to work on the phone. No thanks.
@nikoskabbadias2 ай бұрын
I have a PS4 controller, not even PS5, and it served me perfectly throughout the years without any major issues, connecting to everything from tablets to smartphones, PCs, laptops and everything in between . Where I needed to install something, it was a matter of a few seconds once. In most cases I didnt need to install anything. It really isnt as complicated as Linus presents it. It is clear he has a bias for X Box. Literally 1 hour ago I connected the PS4 controller to a Rog Ally with zero installation. Switched on, connected and played RDR2.
@JohnathanConaway2 ай бұрын
Much agreed!
@Sevicify2 ай бұрын
On Windows Steam makes it so easy to use Playstation controllers (and Nintendo Switch too), literally just plug and play with no installation required as you said. Gets a bit more complicated if you're playing something outside of Steam, games have been better about natively supporting them though and there's the possibility of still using Steam Input by adding them to your Steam library as a non-Steam game. Then there's external software still like DS4Windows which is useful if something doesn't play nicely with Steam Input or you a system wide controller.
@jorgeo14922 ай бұрын
The dualshock 4 is fine. EXCEPT micro usb. Nobody has that cord hanging around
@Nevermeltz2 ай бұрын
If you play xbox PC (monthly subscription) then yeah ps4 concroller is not even working but you can fixed it in 1min by download ds4window. so yeah he's just get sponsor to talk shit on it.
@H3LLGHA5T2 ай бұрын
@@Sevicify can't you launch the game through Steam to take advantage of the controller feature?
@somehowgamingАй бұрын
I've had a 8bitdo sf30 for the past 4 years and its very reliable and still rocking.
@xlumyn2 ай бұрын
* square shaped circularity doesn't mean anything, at least no one can explain and prove why it matters * best modern controllers for PC should have the following features: ** 2.4Ghz dongle ** 1000hz polling rate ** hall-effect joystick and triggers ** mechanical buttons (short-travel distance and "clicky" like a mouse button) ** remappable extra buttons that can turbo ** "adaptive triggers" where you can swap the triggers from analogue (racing games) to digital click (shooting/action games) ** gyroscope aiming
@pawes74182 ай бұрын
Vader 4 Pro
@MV-ri7zu2 ай бұрын
Never understood the wireless obsession wtf are you doing at your pc when you are gaming if you need to have everything wireless its not a mouse it doesnt restrict your inputs lol
@sengir2 ай бұрын
Gyro aiming, HTPC @@MV-ri7zu
@x511100x2 ай бұрын
The 8bitdo is gonna skyrocket in price now smh
@DasherStu2 ай бұрын
Exactly. That's why I just purchased 2 of the Wired Ultimate 2C Controllers for $19.99 with a 5% discount lol.
@TetraSky2 ай бұрын
it won't unless there's a shortage of stocks. And even there, there's plenty of different SKU for the 2C available.
@thegoodrevbadandyarr42722 ай бұрын
I just went through the 3* reviews on zon, and hmm... Gonna wait (OFC they mixed in reviews for multiple models, so make sure you check that). For me, it sounds like the D-Pad will hurt my fingers pretty quick, and people mentioned the regular buttons (ABXY) feel 'cheap', and also noted the triggers take too much travel as linus says.
@ViXoZuDo2 ай бұрын
I don't think so... if the price goes up, the people who watch this video, would end up buying the Flydigi Vader 4 Pro. The only reason the 2C is a good option is because it's cheap, not because it's the best. And LTT audience would definitely investigate other options, so this should not affect the market that much.
@DasherStuАй бұрын
Coming back to this after 2 weeks. I'm glad I bought the 2 wired ones. They didn't jump in price, but now there's a month or two until they ship lol.
@crittobobby2 ай бұрын
Honestly one of the best videos published so far! Super useful, as I know countless people spending 5+ hours researching just to end up with a mediocre solution that will last either 2-3 sessions and start to suffer of the ever-lasting problem of stick drifting, or end up in a drawer because unfathomably bad to use.
@modsandroid6514Ай бұрын
I recently brought a cosmic byte stellaris controller. It is really good it comes with three connection modes bluetooth, 2.4G donggle and wired. Compatible with windows, android, ios, and switch. Overall it feels really good. But got to check on the long run
@paul9812-t3i2 ай бұрын
GameSir have been killing lately as well, got a Nova Lite and it's not even a just good value, it's good good!
@Tall_Order2 ай бұрын
One thing that caught my eye this year are those controllers with removable swappable buttons. I always liked the ergonomics of 360 controllers, but I preferred the thumb stick positioning of dualshock controllers. Having them swappable makes that possible.
@theflashfan32342 ай бұрын
My exact thoughts. For me, it's less the positioning of the sticks that matters, more the position of the dpad. It's a lot easier to cramp up when you have to angle your thumb and also put force through it.
@BrianHall-Oklahoma2 ай бұрын
I hated the stick layout of the PS3 controller. The xbox controllers got that right. I didn't buy a ps4 or ps5 for multiple reasons, but the bad controller stick layout was the main reason.
@ogksknkrv67382 ай бұрын
@@BrianHall-Oklahoma PS1, PS2 and PS3 got the stick layout right* There fixed for you.
@donnydarko76242 ай бұрын
@@BrianHall-Oklahoma For 3D single player games the thumbstick being in the high position makes more sense, for 2D platformers, Shooter's , Fighting games and puzzle games the D pad in the high position makes more sense.
@Steven-d4c2 ай бұрын
The 8bitdo pro2 has the ps style layout and removable rechargeable battery pack that supports AA batteries instead, so I went that way instead of the ones shown in this video. No 2.4 connection though unfortunately.
@weldabar2 ай бұрын
I'm a PC gamer who prefers using the PS5 controller. And I'm frustrated by games' lack of decent support, but I make it work.
@Zakon_by2 ай бұрын
same, triggers that can be at least manually adjusted, touchpad and games that supports it make it worth tinkering
@acoolrocket2 ай бұрын
I mean I'd just have DS4Windows open by default than wager what games have native Dualshock. Unless there's some specific game with a specific feature like God of War.
@shauryasuri36532 ай бұрын
Get the 8-bitdo pro 2. It is the same layout as a PS5 controller but with hall effect sticks, back button and a way better dpad
@dreamingthelife2 ай бұрын
@@shauryasuri3653 me too, I was sad to stop using my PS5 controller but having those back buttons and having things just work is worth it, I miss having a mouse with the touchpad and all the button short cuts I could make on the touchpad but it was so hot and miss making it work, especially with Warframe which was my main game back then
@patyos22 ай бұрын
get the logitech F310 it is the same layout as the playstation controllers but with a sega style Dpad and Xbox button inputs.
@TrueVixeus2 ай бұрын
i have an 8bitdo snes wireless controller, and never looked back for my pc. 8bitdo makes stellar products.
@_Glutton_2 ай бұрын
The reason I still use my F310 is because I've had it since 2010 and it still works fine
@DeadKultureVulture2 ай бұрын
Deadzones are great to prevent snap back inputs when you let go of a stick. They also help mitigate stick drift. Deadzones on controller sticks have good use cases.
@eziothedeadpoet2 ай бұрын
Yes but if manufacturers would use Hall Effect and/or TMR sticks instead of potentiometer based sticks then stick drift would be a no issue and even snap back inputs would be heavily mitigated where the deadzone would be basically non existent. And that's what they were trying to reference in that video.
@gitrekt-gudson2 ай бұрын
@@baronvonslambert Yeah these people talking about running no-deadzone are nutty.. I'm assuming they have never actually tried a stick with no deadzone
@Maboidatboi2 ай бұрын
@@eziothedeadpoet The PS2 controller fixes this issue even with potentiometers. Ever had a stick drifting, you made a circular rotation with the stick, it was gone and you wonder why? The little calibrator chip made its work. Man i miss the analog buttons too!
@Sevicify2 ай бұрын
@@eziothedeadpoet Aside from what baron said there are other mechanical parts within the stick's re-centering mechanism that can still wear out over time causing issues in re-centering that can result in drift regardless of the type of sensor used. So drift is always a potential issue and deadzones of some extent will always be a necessity, the extent just depends upon the accuracy of the re-centering, the sensor used and accounting for any motion you may inadvertently cause while resting your fingers on it.
@anonapache2 ай бұрын
@@Sevicify You know that Apex pros and most higher level players play on no deadzone because of the stickdrift that often comes from the recentering spring? The stickdrift causes aimassist to be always active. And once you have adapted to the very responsive no deadzone, it's honestly a much better experience of gaming in general. Deadzones are just ass. And the new centering mechanism of the Flydigi Vader 4 is so well engineered, it probably will never be able to develop stickdrift at all.
@kazumekku2 ай бұрын
8BitDo dongle situation is neat. If you mostly play at your desk, the dongle stays hidden away, plugged into the underside of the charging dock. Its no hassle to pick up the charging dock, turn it over, take off the cover, take the dongle out and bring it with you when you move to the big screen in the living room on occasions.
@dwong982 ай бұрын
Also the 8BitDo is more popular in the Nintendo Switch community hence the Switch Pro controller esque design
@estherstreet45822 ай бұрын
The way the dongle just fits into the charging dock is such a pleasing bit of design and it's the kind of stuff that's a really pleasant surprise at that price point. I often just bring the whole thing when I'm going to a friend's house, all you need is a USB A-C cable to connect it up to a computer and the whole package is nice and compact.
@kyo29752 ай бұрын
That 8-BitDo controller is AWESOME!!! I have the Pro-wired for the Switch but it's still perfect
@kai1252 ай бұрын
I have my old F310 and I have used it for retro/old gaming and emulation for the past 6 years and it works like new. Only thing that's gone bad is the thumbstick rubber fading away. This thing is built like a tank, no drift issues or any loose/hard buttons. Also I love the old nostalgic look it has.
@naufalap2 ай бұрын
I play monster hunter on those and the rubber is quickly chipping away lol, at this rate it'll be gone in 2 years
@JamJimjum2 ай бұрын
Emulated God hand in PCSX2 with F130. It tanked heavy load of hardcore gaming for almost 5 years before the rubber start to fall off and my only issue is the drifting right analog after those years spent. Durable af
@BeniosGames2 ай бұрын
I use PS5 controller for everything on PC and have no issues. Even works for Tetris on Retroarch.
@megawatcher9112 ай бұрын
@@BeniosGames especially with the summer update.
@blackfoxstudioX2 ай бұрын
Me too, like he said some games might require remapping but most popular ones has native DualSense support or emulate xbox controller.
@bwfextreme2 ай бұрын
The lack of default compatibility for most games is a serious downside, not to mention the ability to develop stick drift
@xw111ow2 ай бұрын
@@bwfextreme Just add every game on steam and it's fine.
@unnoticedhero12 ай бұрын
@@bwfextreme If you use Steam Input or DS4 Windows it's fine, sure some games don't work with one or the other but you can get it to work fairly easily, stick drift is a different issue where you should go with any controller that ships with hall-effect sticks, I'd be surprised if any future console generation includes hall-effect sticks because they love that planned obsolescence to get people to buy more stuff.
@aleksandersats95772 ай бұрын
I literally got the F710 for my friend just because I read the user reviews that it will last so long without issues. And while testing it myself, Honestly I love it. It's actually feels quality, especially compared to the xbox 360 controller which is my primary. I kind of want the f710 myself after trying it
@rubioactivoАй бұрын
i have the 8bit controller and i can say its amazing, one of the best controllers i ever had and i have a lot. I bought it 1 year ago and i use it for play a lot of games. For the price and all you can do with it its really good, also in aliexpress sometimes its even cheaper
@0f002 ай бұрын
Everyone should be getting a gamesir G7 HE , hall effect joysticks/triggers , mechanical buttons, save game profiles , 2 mappable buttons on the bottom, can got up to 1000 hz , audio controls on controller , rubber grips , only missing trigger stops , but you can turn on hair trigger in the controller app , which is really great , it is overall great and I got it for 40$.
@michaelkreitzer13692 ай бұрын
Oh wow, their tarantula controller looks good! Finally a Hall effect controller with a proper layout! Thanks for pointing out this brand.
@tropicthndr2 ай бұрын
Nope, Xbox in the trash immediately. ‘Scuff” to the rescue as it never disappointed
@0f002 ай бұрын
@tropicthndr it isnt by xbox
@0f002 ай бұрын
@tropicthndr also on the g7 , the face plate is removable by magnetics so you can hot swap the joysticks if you wish so , and you can buy custom face plate's
@GlitteredUp4Easter2 ай бұрын
That's nice but xbox's dpad is still better. They should have had a more circular background shape to it like the series controllers.
@Steven-P992 ай бұрын
The Google Stadia controller is quite good. Stadia was discontinued a while ago so the controllers go for cheap, but work well with Windows.
@ShadowTaiga2 ай бұрын
I got my stadia controller for free and I would not sell it for cheap. it is awesome.