Building a PC to BEAT the PS5 Pro!

[@kurtisdeakin]

So much whining and coping and seething in the comments. Don't bother going down there lol

[@Nderak]

only 3 likes?

[@LIFEOFSTUFFEDANIMALS]

I think some of the criticisms are valid. You cannot find a 7800xt for $350 even used very easily at all. I think a 3080 would have made more sense.

[@60weHoodsta]

​@@Nderaktoo many haters and crybabies. How many gamers have a 4070 or 7800xt... The salt is real brother 😂l

[@pringlestreams]

@@60weHoodsta If valid criticisms from both side's is considered whining I wonder what your comment is classified as .

[@Alan2ez]

over here in India a PS5 Pro costs 65,000 rupees (its expensive right now because there isnt a lot of stock) , and the rx 7800 XT alone costs 50,000 rupees 1$=83-84 rupees. im not kidding i checked and its 50,000 rupees for the card alone. cards are cheaper only in the US , other places they are much more expensive. maybe in the US this 16gb of ddr4 rx 7800XT can compare to the PS5 pro but elsewhere not really, for 58,000 rupees you can get an rx 6600 build. also most people are are downplaying the playstation are little kids who lied to their mommies that they would do "coding" "rendering" "animation" to get the pc but we all know all they do is watch youtube and play games, you can do that on ps5 too, it also has things like a browser, netflix , youtube etc. and most people just take a pc for gaming (i am talking about the casuals like all of us not office workers who work in studios) so in that regard even though people are clowning the ps5 pro for being 700$ its much better to get a ps5 pro over a pc , unless of course you are going to spend more money but then if you do that then whats the point of comparing?

[@AFarCryAway]

I think the use of used parts IS part of what makes PC gaming so special. You CAN make the cuts to stretch your dollar more if needed.

[@tipoomaster]

Tru

[@JROCC205]

Why would you spend money to make the same product that's stupid, wouldn't it make more sense to make a more powerful system, I'd rather spend 1000$ than try to match a pro with used parts. 2nd most people don't know how to build pc's and you mess up a 200$ chip which is easily done your screwed .

[@metalliholic]

Eventually, You can buy a used ps5 pro too though

[@xColdxXD]

Very good point, then at the end of the day you can always sell parts of the PC you went a little cheaper on at the time and upgrade to better components compared to buying a whole console.

[@menjivarTv]

You could also buy a used console lol it's unfair comparing used vs new prices

[@primoshunter]

Slapping a new GPU in the old PS5 killer PC actually would have shown why it's better to go with a part by part upgradable ecosystem

[@leowtyx]

but then only the new GPU is new

[@primoshunter]

@leowtyx yes

[@ha-itsme]

@@leowtyx That's the point. You don't really need to get a whole new system. Just upgrade what you need and save where you can.

[@HapPawhere]

@@leowtyx Yeah but that is PC advantages LOL

[@HapPawhere]

@@leowtyx Why the heck you need new part if you can just upgrade your GPU on PC???????

[@LinusTechTips]

At 7:40 we incorrectly wrote that the PS5 PRO has RDNA 2 Architecture when it actually has RDNA 3 Compute Units and RDNA 4 Ray Tracing Hardware (essentially RDNA 3.5). We've blurred the 2 but are keeping this comment pinned to reflect that.

[@pigeondriver8992]

JUST USE THE DAMN 4070

[@leonro]

Oh, ok.

[@Lucas-v5l8u]

Sup

[@anthonypham9708]

@@pigeondriver8992 lmao. it's $450 USD. that's almost 30% more than than the 7800XT.

[@soulreaperx7x]

Damn! Gamers Nexus really got to you guys huh?

[@MrEcted]

I'm just glad we're all still fighting over console vs PC. Life would be boring without choices.

[@oniiwtf]

Right at the end of the day theres something for everyone

[@dirtydan4492]

Thats actually a pretty insightful take. Theres an alternate universe where the whole console landscape is just homogenized and bland

[@SuperUltraGamerMan]

So much truth in this comment lol

[@VikingOtter]

10:20 Digital Foundry covered this in their Upscaling Face-off video between PSSR, DLSS and FSR. It seems to be an art asset issue in the game and DLSS/PSSR are the only two scalers that resolves the grass to a satisfactory degree

[@ОсликИа-я2ы]

To me it looked more like one of those crappy AA variants like TAA which turn into blur when things are moving, but look just fine when the image is still (like in the menu)

[@lilyemma3382]

@@ОсликИа-я2ы it's like the original comment said, it's an art asset issue. for SOME reason the game constantly thinks the grass has motion vectors applied to them, even though they're still. which results in the really really weird issue you see. I'm guessing it's fine in the pause menu because well... the game world is paused, so no motion vectors are applying to anything anymore. pssr and dlss can work around this and resolve this pretty well, but still not perfectly

[@Godmode_ON24]

Why does everyone ignore XESS? It looks considerably better than FSR on RDNA 2 & 3 cards, with similar performance.

[@oscar21781]

@@Godmode_ON24 the 10 people that own them haven't commented yet 😂

[@MejiaTovarRubenDario]

​@@oscar21781 What?

[@dragon2knight]

"Shut up! Oh it's my boss" Linus 2024

[@idzan-private]

😂 it got me so hard 🤣 It needs to be memed for a once 🤣

[@mmmellowbite]

I was surprised that even linus got a boss

[@iCortex1]

that made me laugh haha lol funny lmao

[@MisterMemeDude]

He has a boss?

[@svengal97]

​@@MisterMemeDudeHe stepped down as CEO, now he's just in charge of creation. Makes it so he's more available for videos.

[@TheFlyingClutchman]

I think people tend to forget that games are highly optimised for consoles while these days it feels like devs dont even bother with optimisation on the windows versions anymore

[@jayg339]

Yeah, even with a 4070ti on my pc, I can get stuttering on some games that is a pain in the butt where I don’t get anywhere near as much stuttering on PS5. PC gaming is just not in the greatest of places right now, which really sucks. I wish they would get that shit together.

[@paranaenselol]

GTA6 only on consoles: 🤡

[@traestephen7276]

​@BMXrecords you mean make it run good in general. Direct x and Vulkan do the make it run part already

[@Goldstarman]

A lot of games that have rough PC ports also struggle on console btw

[@traestephen7276]

@TheFlyingClutchman just like dragons dogma 2 ran at 120(30 with spikes)fps on ps5

[@TacticalCorn]

Linus: Only NECESSARY used parts Also Linus: Basically every component except gpu used

[@shayanali8771]

@@TacticalCorn this video is unrealistic as not every one wants to spend on used components or have the luxury to get best used deals if you are not from US. I would suggest increasing the budget to$ 1000 and buying new components. The 1000$ machine will still a better buy than the pro.

[@inconspicuous45]

The GPU was probably used too, there is NO way to get a new 7800xt for less than like 440-450

[@something4114]

I think it means used parts are necessary... Not only those that are necessary...

[@zerosam5541]

@@shayanali8771 ps5 pro or ps5 cost more outside of U.S. lmao

[@0errab0]

@@inconspicuous45 Yeah, I'm thinking there were some Shenanigans with that GPU, New it goes for $480-$510, used (Perfect working condition) it's still selling for around $430.

[@jpbruce4836]

That $XXX to $165 dub at 8:52 was so smooth i had to watch it multiple times. Great job and a lot less jarring than the text-to-speech dubs!

[@toniilola]

Wow, i didn't even realize until i read your comment

[@hassaanahmed5784]

holy shit how did you spot that!

[@Sol4rOnYt]

fr

[@wilmer007]

that $165 nod lol

[@MAG-hd9cr]

am i slow i dont understand

[@magicarmyman]

You just built almost the exact setup my buddy currently runs. Same motherboard, same cpu, same storage, heck even the same ram. the main difference is that he instead runs a 3050 and it is built out of a lan party case from like 2013 he pulled out of a dumpster.

[@charlesfreeze3997]

Yoooo 3050 gang. Always fun to see fellow owners of it, even if by extension.

[@SoberAddiction]

Lan Party used to have the sweetest motherboards. Bright colors on the mainboard that popped. At the time when windowed cases were basically unheard of.

[@stefnauc9675]

@@charlesfreeze3997 its not even his bro...

[@leonro]

​@@stefnauc9675That's why the dude said it was "by extension".

[@stefnauc9675]

@@leonro oh you're right me blind and stupid lol

[@tb_twisted]

I think we should take into consideration the cost of keyboard and mouse into the budget. PS comes with controller in the box, we should include a decent KB&M into the budget

[@ilzuab8467]

@@tb_twisted Most people will have a more than usable keyboard and mouse laying around. It's not a mechanical rgb keyboard, but it's usable. Add 50 to 60 bucks and you got a perfectly usable kb+m pair

[@mineguto211]

You know the ps5 controller is a scam that is intentionally designed to get broken after a year? I have had 3 ps5 controllers already throughout 3 years because of fucking stick drift that I had to spend well over 180$ cuz it kept getting stick drift. also you we should take into consideration of ps plus just to play online. In the long run u save alot of money if u buy a pc when u take the combined cost of things I mentioned

[@tb_twisted]

@@mineguto211 I’ve had my original PS5 controller for two years now 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@tb_twisted]

@@ilzuab8467 sure most people, but not newcomers trying to build a PC better than a PS5 to make the switch

[@ilzuab8467]

@tb_twisted and even then its 45 to 50 euros.

[@bhohenbrink]

I'll take one of those "350 dollar" 7800xt's... That exact card from the link is 480 dollars.

[@another_turtle]

Found like 12 of them local for $400 USD

[@Agent4OuRights]

@@bhohenbrink Best Buy has it for $339.99

[@steviewonder0850]

I got a 3080ti for less than $350 about 6 months ago and it has 10% better performance than a 7800xt, better RT, and DLSS which would have negated all the issues with the FSR comparisons they showcase in this video...

[@alexispicard1566]

@@steviewonder0850 but 12Gb of memory when the PS5 has 16Gb available.

[@Tinyboyyy]

​@@alexispicard156616 gig of shared ram? Equals how much to in terms of dedicated ram?

[@eldibs]

I'm a PC gamer, but I'm glad that Sony has been putting in the work on their upscaling engine. Good upscalers mean gaming hardware can last longer, which means fewer components in a landfill and more gamers can get their hands on working hardware.

[@matteoraspanti]

Linus there is cpu-gpu bottle neck, are u familiar with it? That’s the major concern of ps5pro and ps5…

[@SSADO-]

@@FirewynnTV Where did they state that

[@Skipsx]

For ratchet and clank you left it at 4x anisotropic filtering, also using insomniacs upscaler is better than FSR 3.

[@klaudiusz219]

Great video, but i have some nitpicks as daily PC, and PS5 player. This build is pretty good, and I actually am using something simillar rn, but: - if you're less tech savy, you'll need to pay somebody to build the PC for you, - I have PC with i5 12400F, and stock cooler is god awfully loud, while PS5/PS5 Pro makes close to no sound at all (I've tolerated it only a week before changing it to some tower style, local brand cooler.), - to be fair - if you're buying PC, coming from console/buying it as your first PC, then price should also include even the cheapest mouse and keyboard, cuz good luck with installing Windows without it, - DualSense Controller has mic and speaker built in, so you can easilly, even without headset, chat with your friends using Discord, - if this build right now matches the FPS performance of PS5, then I'm almost sure, that in the near future it will not, as console developers are more obliged to optimalise their games to pass the certification, and get allowance to sell their game on PS Store. BUT hey! on the other side: - PC games are cheaper, - BT on PS5 is virtually useless, as it can only be used to connect licensed headsets and controllers, - you'll save a buck, when it comes to online gaming, as paid PS5 online games, require active PS+ subscription

[@Ninjaman32a]

Best comment to this topic

[@Omar-kl3xp]

This is whay if you truly want to match console performance you need to actually spend more because overtime console actually get better .

[@paulroberto2286]

Linus accidently mouthing David's lines around 0:15 cracks me up lol

[@jacobclarke9019]

@@paulroberto2286 didn’t notice lmao

[@Julzaa]

Damn that's a weird thing to see

[@MidnightToker24]

I didn’t notice it the first time. Just read the comments and now I see it 😬

[@paulroberto2286]

@@Julzaa after he talked about it on WAN show, I find it hard to unsee xD

[@han-dell]

inexperienced/untrained actors do this all the time

[@ArjanJanissen]

I would've loved to have seen an extra comparison with a DLSS card, just to see if that change/upgrade would change the overall conclusion or decision.

[@DesFTW_]

Without being super up to date with used prices, the performance for what they were testing would be better with a 4070, but it would also cost a bit more. Like I would personally get the 7800 XT and disable RT, but for this type of direct comparison (and for people who want to play with RT) the 4070 is a better choice.

[@CaveWaverider]

@@DesFTW_ Yeah, but DLSS would look better than FSR as well.

[@oftankoftan]

@@CaveWaverider the HDR might look better also

[@ClSCOTN]

@@DesFTW_ At the same price of 7800 xt there is 4060 ti and it's better with DLSS.

[@imo098765]

@@DesFTW_ eh, the 7800XT is barely faster in raster but in RT the 4070 slaps it, 7800XT 6% faster in raster games that are actually worth turning on RT the 4070 is up to 27% or higher Then FSR is just worse than DLSS and to match image quality of DLSS If you have to use FSR Quality to get DLSS Balanced image quality both at output 4K You think the 6% raster is still going to be 6% rendering a higher internal resolution?

[@Neon-gl7po]

A 7800 xt for $350 as "easy to find" is kinda crazy. Realistically on ebay the average is around 400-450

[@kuro.editzzz]

try evetech. 7800xt is priced nicely

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

Yip what bull their actual link to the card is $475! Anyway we can see its more on par with a nvidia 4070 to get 60fps.

[@orangeclam6377]

@@Neon-gl7po maybe they mean CAD not USD

[@callmesmart7233]

@@orangeclam6377 that does not make any sense

[@orangeclam6377]

@ that’s my fault I got my currencies mixed around

[@yiwzhu]

None of the comments mentioning the shipping cost. NONE! I mean, you seriously want to pay cheap for parts on ebay but average $20 or more for EACH part for the shipping. Thats 100 more add on just for shipping cost.

[@dave-000]

I mean, wouldn't the PS5 have its own shipping costs? Yeah, for one unit instead of multiple, but still a shipping cost.

[@yiwzhu]

@@dave-000 PS5 have its retailers and almost every one of them have free shipping.

[@bobfjoeg9977]

@@dave-000 Free shipping if you buy it from almost anywhere

[@eclipsygaming4890]

Another cost of the ps5 pro that many seem to overlook is the psn subscription. You're paying $80 every year to get the full experience.

[@imnotmike]

@@eclipsygaming4890 PSN subscriptions don't cost anything. PS+ subscriptions cost extra, but also more than pay for themselves in free games and discounts. And yes, games on the PlayStation store are absolutely competitive with Steam pricing. I have crunched the numbers and I would literally spend more money in a year if I didn't buy the PS+ subscription just because the games I buy are cheaper with PS+. But that does depend on how many games you buy.

[@ekinteko]

Maybe the real PS5 Pro killer was the friends we made along the way

[@SniperJo.]

So true🥹

[@misaka_mikoto02]

Bruhhhhhh🗿

[@roejieks]

very funny and very original

[@10goku83]

@@roejieks indeed, it genuinely made me laugh🤣 and cry😭

[@neophenom]

The best thing about this whole video? This comment, right here.

[@Eli-zb2yj]

The playstation 5 pro killer is the price

[@happysquad]

Same joke and wasn’t even remotely possible to watch the video when you commented. Reddit hive mind comment

[@James-dc6ft]

​@@happysquadBloodborne profile pic? You like getting humiliated by Sony don't you?

[@felinor693]

​@@happysquadSony ain't gonna give u a reach around

[@TalkieToaster.]

@@happysquad are the voices in the room with you now?

[@magiic3871]

Comment made by someone who would never have bought the ps5 pro to begin with.

[@space.raider.2271]

I laughed out loud at "komrades of Ken Kutaragi" it's good to remember the eccentric grand daddy of the PS brand.

[@BlueBoy0]

Yeah, I didn't expect a Disco Elysium reference.

[@p5rsona]

@@BlueBoy0 was that a genuine line from the game?

[@BlueBoy0]

@@p5rsona Yeah, he's your partner in the game.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@BlueBoy0 That's Kim, not Ken though

[@ManoloDaOcarina]

3:52 no thermal paste, Linus is really making some budget saving in this one HueHueHue

[@Kevin_5619]

uh, WD 2TB drive for for $75?!?! That's insane, let alone the $30 low

[@ItsNeverMe]

I found one for 80€ on Ebay, so it's possible.

[@starship_01]

Exactly! Which universe are they buying it from?

[@snopro2375]

@@ItsNeverMe 2tb? $80 wow! 😧

[@techsamurai11]

@@Kevin_5619 the $30 one is probably corrupt.

[@techsamurai11]

Consoles are the kings of entry value but you eventually pay the same.

[@Woodz_007]

I dont think even China can Poop out a 2TB Gen 4 NVME SSD at 30$ Low or 75$ standard price.

[@ItsNeverMe]

I saw one for 80€ on Ebay after like 20seconds of looking. WD 2TB Edit: 85€ not 80

[@lennywhere]

@@ItsNeverMe ebay xd

[@DmadPs]

@@lennywhere imagina hating on eBay in 2024

[@Woodz_007]

@@ItsNeverMe was it Gen 4 NVME or was it SATA SSD. I will guess it was SATA ssd

[@ItsNeverMe]

@Woodz_007 nvme gen4, it's a WD idk what model

[@cadenchurchill4296]

5:59 That case’s meme sticker should say “LTT Inside” or something.

[@PAINNN666]

LTT drops 🤣🤣

[@doesitmatter]

6:34 lithuania mentioned 🦅🔥🇱🇹🔥🔥🔥🇱🇹🇱🇹🇱🇹🔥 🦅 🇱🇹🦅 🦅 🦅🇱🇹

[@AusSkiller]

One aspect that isn't covered is that if you already have a PC then the real PS5 killer could be a simple upgrade. Your existing components may be good enough already so you can just spend more on a GPU, and if you have a Ryzen CPU you could upgrade the CPU too without needing a new motherboard. The big advantage of PC is that you don't need to throw out everything when something new comes along and I'd be curious how much better the PC does when you factor in the savings when upgrading instead of buying a whole new rig.

[@RockyLaRosa]

@@AusSkiller but you wont feel the magic in your hands

[@gerarddossantos7564]

No body throws anything when a new console comes out. Only PC gamers thinks like that... I still have my NES from when I was a child and it still works. I have a son now and he's discovering the first mario bros with me. Last week I replayed Chrono Trigger on my 3ds. You guys are so used to change everything all the time that your way of viewing things is flawed

[@AusSkiller]

@@gerarddossantos7564 I still have all my consoles going back to the original gameboy too (and most of my old PCs from the last 20 years which now serve other purposes like a NAS or family PC). What I meant is that games for the new consoles will typically only work on the new console so you have to buy the new console rather than using the old one. Whereas on PC you can just turn down settings in new games and they will still work on the old hardware so it isn't a strict need to get anything new to play the new games, it is just a matter of how well it will play.

[@gerarddossantos7564]

@@AusSkiller You have to buy the new console but what's the problem is the console is cheap ? I played 10 years on PS4, 400 bucks. Most GPUs are most expensive than that. Ok granted, the PS5 pro is expensive, but the base PS5 is very capable and costs 400 bucks. And my old consoles are still there and working.

[@AusSkiller]

​@@gerarddossantos7564 There isn't really a problem so to speak, the difference is that with PCs you have the option to go much cheaper or much more expensive compared to consoles, and you can just pick whichever suits you more. Though to be clear that's not to say that consoles aren't the better choice for some people, they certainly have their advantages over PCs and their prices are usually pretty reasonable for what they are capable of.

[@Saiegel]

I'm sorry to be saying the same thing that a lot of people in the comments, but I just bought a WB black 1TB for my ps5 and it was with seasonal discounts 80 USD. And I went for that one since the 2TB version was almost around 159 with the biggest discounts, so the price placed at bellow 50 in the comparisons is not sitting well.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

I found some 2tb drives for $90-100. NVME, pretty high speed. Also saw 4tb's for $200, or the same price as the new Xbox external drive on sale

[@LinusTechTips]

Are you talking new SSD? Every part in the video is used and I can currently find recently sold listings on ebay for ~$80 for the 2TB. We also found a 2TB 980 Pro for $30 and have the photo on the forum if you want to check it out.

[@benjiro8793]

Really depends where you buy ... Just looking up the deals and can find a brand new 1TB for 40 Euro here. 2TB are ~95 to 110 Euro. New prices, not second hand.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

@@LinusTechTips yes, i saw a brand new, name brand SSD for @ $100 yesterday. I know you filmed this a few days ago, if not a week, like Silicon Power 2TB UD90 NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 SSD R/W up to 5,000/4,800 MB/s on Newegg

[@bdizzle9586]

@@LinusTechTips Yeah but my Pro is new, has warranty and I don’t have wait for games I actually like. Weird, right?

[@southernpanda33]

2:56 Mark, my dude, don’t be mad we can take advantage of used parts. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. We as consumers need every advantage we can get over corporations that can afford to spend millions on mass produced parts.

[@mitsuhh]

lol jokes on you if you think cerny has any feelings over that sorta thing He’s a grown adult with a high level job, not an internet crybaby

[@southernpanda33]

@ I thought my profile picture would make the sarcasm obvious? No?

[@TheWWWyrm]

How is he being mad? He just pointed out that comparison is flawed as it’s new ps5 vs used pc. And you can get a used ps5 for quite cheap, meaning pc will still lose in specs comparission

[@xeon39688]

​@@TheWWWyrmhow do you know the parts aren't used in PS5 Pro?

[@mitsuhh]

@@xeon39688 Are you for real?

[@joeyf504327]

"don't play by easy mode" yet just had a $1,000 competition where each build was $1,200 to $1,500...

[@wilmer007]

Linus and LTT are just hacks, both videos were made in response to me teaching them all how to properly build, yet they can't give people their credit when making content lol

[@GuusKlaas]

Honestly, with the level of in-depth tuning, I'd honestly would love to see a blind comparison of "non techy, yet gamery" staff (perhaps level of gamers/kind of gamers) where they do a blind test between 3 systems, PS5, PS5Pro, PS5ProKillerPC, Pro gaming PC, and perhaps for measure, if the titles "overlap", throw in an xbox as well. The tree/foilage stuff during gameplay, might blur out. Just give the blind testers the exact same controller (obv would not work on xbox), and tell them to NOT hit any menu/system buttons that would give away what the PC/TV is.

[@MrEcted]

I second this idea!

[@Habana-Seven]

Blind comparison doesnt work. Anyone can guess the system because the smell. One system smell 3 year warranty brand new. The other one is a frankestein of hardware used at 1.5 meters of ppl watching and using dirty websites after gaming before going to bed.

[@Aurummorituri]

Uhh…you totally the missed half the point of this PC build vs the PS5 Pro. You should have tested in Baldur’s Gate town area and compared the difference. The Pro is still heavily CPU-bottlenecked just like the base version. I wanted to see how the 12400f handles that area. 😢

[@syncmonism]

Look, I think the PC is the more cost effective platform, as long as you know what you're doing. The games end up being way cheaper, especially as they go down in price over time, whereas the console games tend not to go down in price very much at all, and the consoles also have those subscription fees for basic services, which are quite high. That being said, the PS5 is not heavily CPU bottlenecked in general, it just can be in some very specific parts of some games, so you're just cherry picking an edge case to support your claim. The CPU performance of the console is also not equivalent to a Zen 2 CPU on PC, because of significant differences in the architecture of the memory, and also because of other efficiencies related to the semi-custom design, and also to the much more developer friendly development environment and development tools, which result in generally much better optimized games. Of course, what PCs lack in optimization, they tend to be able to make up for in raw horsepower. Even the now two generations old 5700X3D is a monster of a CPU, which somehow manages to trade blows with Intel's latest flagship CPU built on a process node that's two generations newer (TSMC 3nm vs. 7nm), and a great upgrade option for people still on AM4.

[@bladeclanhalo3]

@@syncmonism the ps5 has basically a 3600 for gaming. its not fast and is a problem for a lot of current games, especially eu5 ones

[@Aurummorituri]

@@syncmonism You lost me at your second paragraph as it’s basically all false. Cherry picking? There are way more games than Baldur’s Gate that can’t hold 60fps due to CPU constraints. You’re right that the CPU is not equivalent to a Zen 2 CPU on PC-it’s worse. It lacks the standard cache and clocks of desktop counterparts and has to share bandwidth with the GPU. No amount of “optimizations” can account for all that latency. You can’t keep clinging to old PS4 games re-released on PS5 to say “everything runs great” when they use old engines with limited CPU demands. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself with some Digital Foundry videos instead of making stuff up.

[@Tyler-z8r]

How many games actually hit the cpu like Balder's gate though lol

[@bladeclanhalo3]

@Tyler-z8r considering the amount of 30 fps games being released. Quite a lot of new games

[@abdullahzafar4401]

7:40 There's a mistake here Ps5 Pro micro-architecture is not rdna 2, Its Rdna 3.5

[@billpogi23]

@@abdullahzafar4401 💯💯💯

[@LinusTechTips]

you are correct and we are making a fix now -DG

[@dockgamer973]

Sorry you made a mistake is RDNA 2 digital foundry already told us that and its littlerly on the pas5 pros safety manual in its spec sheet in the box, so i dont know who told you that garbage. Its a 16.7 tflops RDNA 2 system digital foundry said it themselves and sony.

[@kiisseli1337]

@@dockgamer973 Zen 2 CPU is in specs, GPU is not RDNA 2. At least the added abilities are definitely not RDNA 2 because it doesn't have those

[@nicane-9966]

@@dockgamer973 maybe becuase sony themselves said that it had RDNA 4 in it?...

[@bahamutbbob]

Linus, you're going to have to talk to your boss' boss about getting emails while filming.

[@koolestani]

14:24 "Dude, touch this" -Linus 2024

[@Woodz_007]

8:48 The 2TB SSD is NOT 30$ and the link in description has it for 90$ and that's a 1TB SSD so like whadaheck

[@eddiecoker4808]

@@Woodz_007 😂😂I thought I was trippin when I saw that.

[@Woodz_007]

​@@eddiecoker4808 lol same. a new 2TB Gen 4 NVME ssd costs like 130$ to 150$.

[@bobkontrolololuje8618]

The used ssd probably had insane writes on it

[@temir3146]

@@Woodz_007 I think links are for new parts, and the “low price” one is for used parts. But $90 is still higher than $75 :/

[@mittaconnor1448]

Cheapest used 7800xt on eBay is $460 buyout/shipping and even sold ones via bidding are all like $440, with a few slightly below. Idk where he’s getting these prices, definitely not “easy to find” for $350 as his chart suggests.

[@geordiegamingchannel728]

I'm getting little pissed at the constant PlayStation 5 negativity, watched the xbox version and it's clear you are pro xbox You failed to factor in the shipping costs, the controller and you used a mouse and keyboard which is also not in the price, no warranty, CPU cooler and thermal paste and of course the risk of getting dead parts Clearly it would cost more for a PC and the ps5 pro is cheaper despite it being quick high itself, getting a ps5 base is much better but your so against the playstation it's getting annoying

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Exactly people like him like to use used parts and don't include all the other things needed to use the PC on purpose because they know that adds on top of the already expensive PC price to try and make the PC look like it's a better value for the same price as consoles when it's not 💯

[@geordiegamingchannel728]

@FirewynnTV $700 for whole pc, including mouse keyboard, cables and disk drive? Also Iin the US (according to google) the ps5 costs $499 or $399 for distress version The PS5 is still better value

[@Omar-kl3xp]

Also I hope people don’t see this video thinking that they will get the same price for the parts as they claimed lol ,there is a lot of factors that weren’t mentioned also comparing new to used is not a good comparison since you will eventually see used ps5 pro in the market too for much cheaper prices.

[@LiEnby]

There’s an Xbox version? lol also LTT im pretty sure maintains business relationships with both Sony and Microsoft so I doubt he’d be shitting on either product too hard ..

[@DenzilPeters]

Hey! Thats the same case I used for my first ever PC build back in 2020. It kept the 2080 super nice and cool (meaning it never went above 80c) without any air conditioner in the room even in Indian summers.

[@Perrajajaja]

Next time, pay a bit of premium so you can use DLSS. Its just so much better. And you'll get proper ray tracing performance. If you are going to check games this way side by side with those technologies on, you just cant go with amd imo

[@JayzTwoCentzIG]

Linus saying Okay Eagle Eyes triggered my google assistant 5:55

[@SethanderWald]

Same here! 😅

[@rel124c41a]

I think the PC parts, even though they are used parts, are unrealistically low priced in this build. Just making up numbers to reach a price point.

[@Dj-Mccullough]

No their not, I just built my own ps5pro killer with ebay used parts, 5800x cpu, 3080ti and 32gb ram, my system totaled 730 usd

[@rel124c41a]

@@Dj-Mccullough You didn't use the same parts and your build cost more then the $655 Linus is claiming. His low price claim of $535 is even more ridiculous.

[@leonidkagan1702]

​@@Dj-McculloughNew is always better than used because you don't know what the previous owner did with their parts. Also, how much was your mouse, keyboard and monitor? 😂

[@KingAllpha321]

@@Dj-Mccullough while you build a killer, PS5 slim, Digital and Disc all went on holiday sales. You can get a digital PS5 for $350 usd. You can get a Disc and Slim PS5 for $450 usd. And guess what? You go to costco and you can get a PS5 slim with 2 controllers and a charging port for $435 usd.

[@gambino48]

I kind of agree That GPU for 350 bucks That sounded a little weird to me... But I'm not sure I'm a Nvidia guy ... But that AMD GPU I thought was a little more expensive than that...

[@tekpoak]

I was happy to buy a PS5 Pro yesterday, the stock that arrived sold out in minutes, you can't even imagine how much it cost me in the official Sony store, I don't care, for me it's completely worth it, my Spiderman version PS5 is on sale now! 😅

[@Vor_Tex_Sun]

I noticed a big difference on my LG. I sit closer to the screen and everything was much sharper. 120hz works great also

[@nightcorefusion3884]

My only take way from this is that upgrading to a HDR display for gaming on PC isn't gonna matter much for me. OLED, sure. But looks like I'll be wanting higher refresh rates over brighter colours.

[@screaminjesus]

My display supports HDR but I just stick with SDR because I don't want to deal with HDR issues lol

[@weez82]

It's honestly a great time to be a gamer. Xbox, PlayStation, and PC all offer great value for a really good gaming experience. They all have pros and cons. Consoles biggest con is the subscriptions needed for online gaming. We shouldn't have to pay $ just to game chat and be able to team up with others. PCs biggest con is setup and choice. It's not plug and play. You have to choose parts and then you have to set things up. Not just hardware if you're building but the software side of things. Setting up windows and then installing drivers and then setting up game settings. It's not for everyone. I would like to see a video like this one but for all the price points. MSRP of $300 for Xbox Series S, $450-$500 for PS5/Series X, and $700 for PS5 Pro. Factor in the cost of all the subscriptions needed for online play for 3 years on console ($180 for Xbox Core and $240 for PS Essential) and build a PC at those price point but add an extra $180 to $240 to the budget because the subscriptions aren't needed on PC. Series S I like would still be a killer value for gaming but not so much the others.

[@makasete30]

I’d also add physicals. I can buy cheaply and sell for the same price or more. I can borrow and lend from friends, rent from the library. I even like having my own collection on my shelf. I also think console gaming is great for couch coop with family and friends in the living room. Switch in particular has a wide range of games that 4 players can play. PC evangelists forget, deny, or choose to ignore that some still prefer these things. PC convenience may have greatly improved, and a digital subscription future draws nearer, but these are still valid reasons to have a console.

[@weez82]

@ yes. There is a long list of pros and cons for both pc and console. Unfortunately I don’t think physical media or couch coop is make or break for a ton of people. Companies know this and that’s why physical media is dying a slow death and couch coop is hard to find. And those things have been mentioned in LTT videos before

[@weez82]

@@makasete30 I also want to add that I'm not saying PC is better or console is better. They both offer a great gaming experience. I have a Series S, PS5 disc version, and a gaming PC. All 3 are great and it's a very good time to be a gamer

[@michaeloconnell145]

For sure we honestly have hardware so good, most games don't even need it. I haven't even seen a need to upgrade my PC since 2020 and am still vibing. I am jealous of the convenience factor of consoles though, I always appreciate just going to retail to pick up a switch game even if the specs are way lower and no configuration is necessary and I can sell or trade my physical games. Switch online is a real shame though imo I haven't used it since 2020 though I just play PC games online instead.

[@millenial_in_the_middle]

Why not let the game auto-detect the best settings for your game on pc?

[@hayderneamah1323]

So are they counting the set up ? Desk , chair , Screen ? Probably speakers or headphones? Cause i don't need any additional set up for my console, besides the already there at home TV and sofa .

[@Malus234]

you can plug the pc to the tv and use that, add 20$ for a keyboard+touchpad combo and functionally its the same For example they are not adding yearly cost of online on console either

[@xgui4-studios]

@@Malus234 but without a table it will be hard to use and a couch isnt a chair

[@hayderneamah1323]

@@Malus234 seems like a lot of work ,time and energy to DIY yourself. Especially if your not familiar with PC and PC parts installationsetc., hardware and software unfortunately consoles still best option for casual gaming price, easy to use and family friendly. Of course if you have enough money and time you can get both easy .

[@Malus234]

@@hayderneamah1323 yeah the last time there was a PC as immediate as a console to use for just gaming was with the steam machine

[@Malus234]

@@xgui4-studios why would you need a chair for gaming when you can do it with the controller? Also it's not like a PC works only on a table

[@ArcadiaP]

Windows HDR should always be calibrated using their Windows HDR Calibration tool from the MS Store. Just as Sony expects you configure your screen before you can enable HDR, you should do the same under Windows.

[@Megalodo-w4r]

In Ratchet and Clank - Rift Apart, XeSS could be enabled and the quality would be better + you have the option to enable frame generation, which significantly increases the priority of the PC platform. So why are you testing mostly Sony exclusives? Where is Alan Wake 2, Silent Hill 2 remake?

[@charginginprogresss]

19:08 if 200 extra dollars above a PS5 makes you broke, you shouldn't buy a PS5. Buy a 200$ laptop and save money.

[@BrianBGeronimo]

The more people try to match any console with 2nd-hand PC specs just to fit within the MSRP, the more they implicitly justify the consoles' prices.

[@Habana-Seven]

@@BrianBGeronimo that's exactly the thing.

[@geekosa63]

@@BrianBGeronimo not in Europe. In Europe Ps5 pro with disc and stand is €949. and we can build an entire rig (no used parts) with 7800xt, 32GB, 2TB 4.0 and with a better cpu than the pro for 930€ And for 1050€ we can choose a 4070Super that entirely destroy the ps5 pro Before this joke called ps5pro, console had hardware perf price ratio and size while pc had less expensive games, no online fee, more choice to control the game, more mods, more setting flexibility… Now with PS5Pro does not even have the perf price ratio, this console is a joke

[@nameless_4084]

@@geekosa63 Also for a while Sony has not been making much profit with the consoles, but selling PS Plus and having more pricier games. The 60 euro per year for online is senseless, especially when sometimes it has been defended to keep the servers up, but many games have their own servers for playing the game and Steam doesn't need 60 euro from you to run their servers, while having cheaper games.

[@Caesar2001]

U are bonkers I have 2 PC's one made 6 years ago that cost me 500 USD plus 150 USD CPU upgrade last year and it let's me play games at unlocked 100+ frames with better graphics at 1080p than any console, once I buy a new GPU in my more expensive PC I can put the old GPU in the sleeper build for free and kill the PS5

[@chereshenkovm]

At least my pc can be a working station to earn some money, unlike ps

[@TommyGunz_]

I'd like if you made the "insert console killer name" and make 2 builds. One budget build that could match the specs for a lower price. But then another build for the exact price of the console. To show if you spent that same money , how much you could smoke the graphics then. I still love both my PS5 and PC. I just recognize that the PC has more horsepower in MOST cases.

[@PawlysBartys]

6:38 why are they all shipping from Lithuania? Is there some sort of sale here that I'm missing?

[@Heavy_Chevy]

@@PawlysBartys what's funny is that i don't see any of these kind of listings here. Guess they saved the best for north America 😹

[@wafiq1958]

0:28 Aussie shout out

[@Apex8r]

Was just confirming. Prices are up here in US while politicians claim price gouging which is horsesh!t Depends on where you get your info from; also bodegas may be clearly doing this but 7-11 has been for the last 40yrs and no one complained

[@timjames5719]

Glad we've set the new standard for price gouging

[@faceLESS559]

15:08 another big reason to go for a nvidia graphics card. Windows HDR is terrible and the Geforce Experience app has a much better HDR profile you can apply to any game, even older games that wouldnt normally support it.

[@22oreos]

the segues throughout this video were insanely smooth lmfao. loved every second of em

[@pooriazl9236]

Well if you consider pirating pc always wins

[@Kangorrilla]

Thief.

[@nocturne87]

🔥

[@cyberspacedweller637]

Says the thief to the beggars

[@juggurnott]

Damn, you get a lot of value in the PS5 pro. Who has the time to look for used parts one by one, if you end up with 1 bad part your screwed. And you gotta Hope all the other parts you bought were taken care of.

[@jreverie7018]

Nice being able to download games for free or heavily on special though, rather than getting annihilated by the ridiculous console game prices

[@ZeerakImran]

True. But it’s also nice to actually play a game as opposed to own a bunch and not touch them. Have one game. Play it. And it’ll be worth the money. Or don’t play it but don’t buy another game for a month since you’ve already spent money on it.

[@michaelgourvitch5323]

You are definetly correct regarding gaming. Which the Playstation is obviously built for. The advantage of PC is it being a PC, meaning you can use it for much more than just gaming. Most people will still need a PC or Laptop on top of the PS5 to use for work, studies etc. Having to risk broken or badly taken care of parts i do agree with you, which is why buying a GPU new is a better way to go, since its the most expensive part. This will obviously add some cost. Anything else just risk it, in emergency you can just replace or even upgrade just the part that dies later on.

[@mastixencounter]

@@jreverie7018 bruh I get every console game for the low so don't know what your talking about

[@danielmatas5673]

17:30 yes since it is 800€

[@techsamurai11]

If any of these used parts are faulty, troubleshooting the issue will be a nightmare and will cost time and money. Even if the price is the same, the cost is much higher. I know it’s for fun but it shows that a PC with the same new parts and performance would cost quite a bit more. Of course, you could use a 5700x3D and get massive CPU improvements. It’s a shame they didn’t include the drive in the price of the PS5 Pro and perhaps a slight CPU improvement but power was obviously an issue.

[@irwan86]

Now I know why so many PC user so mad about PS5 pro 😂

[@Steve21_harris]

Why would we be mad ,we are not the ones getting scammed 🤡

[@mitsuhh]

@@Steve21_harris what do you mean, you get scammed all the time when you buy nvidia’s overpriced cards

[@slipperyhitbox4460]

Facts, imagine all that talk about ps5 pro killer and no ps5 pro was killed, the pc version of every game showed here looked way worse, ppl are just mad at sony for no reason, oh no 700 bucks and rhey spend thousands on a pc.

[@jean-francoishebert943]

​@@slipperyhitbox4460one can Play All play station remastered game and the other can Play mostly All Play station game pc and xbox plus émulation of old console like N64 SNES Sega ect ...yeah play station pro is a good deal🤣

[@qweewwq7525]

@@mitsuhh I love it like fanboys of consoles who have not seen PC in their lives think that they have some knowledge. Unlike you, we have a choice, you do not need to buy NVIDIA cards to have better performance at a lower price than with your consoles XD

[@triggahappyyt5420]

You guys didnt factor in the price of the controller..... i believe when you buy a ps5 pro you get a controller, please correct me if im wrong, not unless in the us controllers are not included

[@agus.lorenzo]

You do get a controller

[@X_irtz]

Umm... they literally mentioned a controller with that build.

[@anarfox]

9:24 - FSR dissocclusion fizzel yet again kills the day. Unless AMD comes out with a DLSS equivalent, they're disqualified for a PS5 Pro killer. You have to go with something using DLSS or XeSS with XMX.

[@TooBokoo]

Even with the FSR shortcomings, a decent PC is still a PS5 Pro killer. The benefits of a PC outweigh anything a console has to offer, and it's not even close.

[@Masterrunescapeer]

That issue is that game specific. Still find it odd to test all ray tracing title games after saying would pick RTX if mattered. Most games ray tracing doesn't really add anything, there are only a handful of titles where it is better, so for most not worth it, but do agree can be for some that specifically only play those games for it (which I would assume is rare).

[@ArcticFox63]

@@TooBokoo How is the PC in the video a "PS5 Killer". You get similar performance, or worse in some games, for a similar price? If it were to "kill" the PS5 Pro it would have to be noticeably faster with way better graphical fidelity.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@TooBokoo The headaches of a PC also, unfortunately, outweigh those of a console.

[@qweewwq7525]

@@ArcticFox63 use game on PS5 pro who use cpu like BG3 and you get same crap performans like PS5

[@iliaslef]

That's the best case scenario for Sony highly optimized game for their console. Now test a third party game and see the difference

[@Azarilh]

fr...

[@aegixxer1]

I think the biggest advantage to PC is the modularity. Especially when it's time to repair or upgrade. You're not exactly going to throw in some more/faster memory or swap out a CPU or GPU in the PS5 Pro to boost performance down the line when budget allows.

[@agus.lorenzo]

PS5 is way more repairable. Consoles are all the same and easy to repair for the exact parts at low price.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Consoles depreciate less and are easier to upgrade. Also none of the headaches with trying to match compatible parts or whether your new CPU will bottleneck your new GPU or anything of that sort.

[@aegixxer1]

@@agus.lorenzo way more repairable? Ever try to add ram to a PlayStation? Vrm failure? Replace the main board, cpu, and gpu. Gpu failure? Replace the main board, cpu, and gpu. Network connection failure? Replace the main board, cpu, and gpu. Upgrade ram? Nope, upgrade gpu? Nope. Upgrade CPU? Nope. Oh but you can add a specific ssd for increased storage…

[@aegixxer1]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 easier to upgrade because you replace the entire console? Ever try a cpu upgrade on a ps5?

[@jimgottberg1975]

Having been in IT for over 24 years, there is something to be said for just firing off a game and knowing it will work without BSOD's, obscure driver issues, etc. I work on my PC and game on my PS5 Pro

[@fred.y3890]

Games crash on ps5 too😅

[@jimgottberg1975]

@@fred.y3890 That has not been my experience unless it was a borked update to the game from the Devs.

[@TheWinjin]

I don't think I've had many crashes for years, though. Even though I went for an AMD card during the whole Ethereum debacle.

[@themikias]

Absolutely! People forget that gaming is all about the smooth experience - especially when you have less hours to play.

[@matispure2]

What? this isn't year 2000. I haven't had a game where i have had issues with PC since 2004. Also this is a budget PC build which they attempted to compare with PS5. You buy a 2k$ PC with 4080S there no way PS5 comes close in dreams.

[@wishingW3L]

these prices are not real. A 2tb nvme even used is over a $100. A second hand 12400f is another $100 too. $30 for a black sn 850x? Bullsh.

[@LvcIvsLIcInIvsLvcvllvs]

I bought my 2tb nvme for 97 usd new on black friday and it was only 8$ off. I am from Europe and I thought that prices are lower in the US.

[@LvcIvsLIcInIvsLvcvllvs]

A new tray i5 12400f can be found for 100 euro easily.

[@attraxia]

@@wishingW3L you’re doing something wrong if you’re buying these at full price lol. You can find these for pretty cheap if you look for more than 10 seconds

[@wilmer007]

Remember that time LTT change the title of this video

[@kensekilei3713]

SN850X for 75$ where? Low price of 30? WHERE????

[@DesFTW_]

I'm guessing used local prices with the $30 being a one off because not many people are in the market for used storage.

[@theramennoodler7950]

That’s what I’m wondering, 1tb is like $73 on amazon, but definitely more expensive for the 2 tb

[@kensekilei3713]

@@DesFTW_ Even still, I've checked marketplace and can't find anything close to that, not even the scam/bait are that low

[@HydrasHead]

Yeah about the best I can find are around a 100€ for 1Tb.

[@lucasgomes6096]

They commented on another comment that the 30/75 price is for the Samsung 980 Pro, not the SN850X.

[@RnX]

FINALLY MY POOR ASS BUDGET HAS A PC

[@TW-bh2mi]

no it doesnt these prices are all lies

[@bossfire001]

@@TW-bh2mi please elaborate

[@ItsNeverMe]

Just go on the hunt for dirt cheap used parts. My current pc was free on a local marketplace.

[@Pir-o]

@@TW-bh2mi > "prices are all lies!" > Video literally ends with "we have links in video description"

[@Volsia]

@@Pir-o Did you click on any of the links in the description? Prices are vastly different than the ones listed in the video.

[@bonkwonkelchip7569]

can't believe my comment was featured at 2:30 LOL

[@CrespoFTW]

Congrats on the comment featured in the vid

[@GwenhyvarDanu-qv3qu]

small note. no talk of the cost of the OS on PC... for those that *ahem* don't already own one. Also, the convenience of a console vs building and maintaining a PC shouldn't be understated. a large portion of gamers simply don't have the time or interest to learn the nuances of a PC. Personally, I'm in IT and working with PCs seems simple and straightforward. this definitely isn't the case for a very large portion of the gamer market. some people just want to turn something on and play without concern. these are both great options. maybe we stop arguing over which is 'best', and acknowledge that each has its place based on the user. to the creators, thanks for the great video, an excellent and worthy experiment, and one I was definitely curious about!

[@leop7075]

os price was mentioned in the video, you just glossed over it I guess. Its very cheap because you don't have to go for it from windows themselves, many sites have it at 8-30$. Also, the maybe 1 hour of research to build and manage is worth it considering how much freedom a computer has, including with gaming. no 80$ overhead a year that you HAVE to pay to go online for most games. game keys also go for 1/2 or well less than that of the original price of most games. The true purpose of a console is for people who genuinely just want to play games while being a tad lazy

[@jakubmurin7992]

The question is will it handle gta 6 when it releases?

[@Safetytrousers]

GTA6 is only on console when it comes out. Of course it will run well, it's been made for them.

[@ekopermana7150]

I think it will run at 30 fps on this PC setup 🤣

[@foogley]

PS5 Pro in my country costs $1100 and add 5 years of PS+ for $625, that'll be $1725. They are making it "cheap" because it's an entry fee to get milked by their overpriced games and subscription services.

[@KingAllpha321]

you act like overpriced games are new today? Free games on smartphones are selling skins as low as $25 usd to as high as $100 usd. That's just 1 freaking skin dude!! And we have players taht will buy them!!!!

[@CorteX1988]

I mean yes, that's how it's been for the last couple gens. Afaik they are selling their consoles at a loss (or barely break even) and make their money through controllers, addons, subscriptions and software.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

You don't need ps plus for single player games or f2p games which a lot of people play

[@MastaFRO1]

Yall just gonna ignore the fact both base and Pro PS5 come with a Dualsense controller that retails at US$ 74.00 …

[@Tinyboyyy]

Maybe they didn't put that into account since you have to pay to play online on a Playstation.

[@mitsuhh]

@@Tinyboyyyno you don’t F2P games have free online. And ps plus subscription comes with a lot more than just online mp

[@RiceCubeTech]

@@mitsuhhI wanna play BO6 with my boys I do so for free after already paying 70 bucks for the game on PC. I’m not playing ANOTHER fee to play a game I can only play on internet anyways and already don’t own.

[@mitsuhh]

@@RiceCubeTech Ok?

[@coupe97]

In the long run, nothing can beat PC, you can practically upgrade any part of your PC just like legos, that's the beauty of owing a PC

[@PallavBhardwaj-dry_ice_cool]

I mean the gpu on pc is soo overclock friendly that all the shortcomings in the video could be solved by doing that

[@bighousemusic628]

no need for overclocking bro just get som faster speed rams and the cpu will communicate with the gpu faster and the gpu will upscale the graphics of the pc like 3x times ive done that mostly my motherboard support many rams speed so i just go for the highest and set it in my bios and my pc mops the floor with the ps5

[@valentds]

@@bighousemusic628 i've a 4070ti and i5 13600k. my ram are 16x2 ddr4 3200 in xmp profile, too slow?

[@bighousemusic628]

@@valentds no it is ok

[@recurveninja]

You can't compare texture "quality" when the two systems have entirely different HDR/color grading settings. If you can see pixels in one but not the other, sure, but when you're trying to judge sharpness for example, the one with the levels skewed darker is always going to look sharper.

[@ElmorQuistin]

In my country (Turkey) the price of the ps5 pro is 50.000 Turkish liras which equals = 1.456 usd. With that money you can buy a 32gb 7500f 4070ti super build. So it may be a better option in U.S but there is literally no reason to buy that in Turkey.

[@mrbob4104]

I think the problem in your country is import fees. Nations like that get less consoles so they (resellers) usually bump up the prices. But thats not Sony's fault. Pretty sure its the same thing with other products in your nation like Im sure an Iphone in your country is more expensive then what it usually costs

[@heywood23]

Am owner of a 7800xt. Can the PS5 Pro give me Black ops 6 3440X1440P at a solid 144hz (NO upscaling) and at Extreme preset (With only Shadows turned down to high) and FidelityFX CAS? The only thing going for consoles is the annoying CEO at Rockstar not realeasing GTA on PC!!

[@reza221282]

& everyone forgot that PS5 PRO also included dual sense controller 😂

[@iddeegee]

for now ;)

[@Tyler-z8r]

Eh yeah, but you also have to pay for online Console is definitely a great option, but PC certainly has things to offer than console can't.

[@reza221282]

@@Tyler-z8r PC consume more power 😆

[@theramennoodler7950]

@@reza221282 If power is a problem when running a $700+ console or equally spec pc, then that’s a personal problem, gotta have money to play.

[@JantjeVloet]

"Oh its my boss" Doesn't that feel weird to say as an owner?😂

[@glenmcl]

Wife?

[@charlesfreeze3997]

@@glenmcl No it clearly says Terron, not Yvonne.

[@Randymountaine]

Missing the point, PS5 youll play GTA6 years before anyone on a PC can touch it.

[@thetechnosaiyan]

And?

[@Dhruv-j6h]

bro thinks gta 6 is the only game in the world

[@luckyzzz4622]

Дети только и ждут гта6,, чел а кб2077 с 200 модами на nexsus как тебе, я думаю мыльщики будут ждать лет 100😂

[@timbo_was_taken]

I really don’t see how using secondhand parts is a negative, the fact you’re able to buy secondhand parts to beat a new console is a good thing in my opinion

[@jordanmntungwa3311]

No Console will ever beat the Speed of ALT+ TAB to switch between gaming and other tasks.. I hop on to CS2 for a 5min round, alt- tab and space bar and my youtube video continues from where I paused. Almost instantaneous. not to mention 15second boot up time, being able to work and multitask. Talk to my family via video call on one Monitor and carry on with work on the other (its how I keep in touch with my mom). Nothing beats the speed of a PC

[@FireCulex]

That doesn't make any sense because console's use the same hardware as PC's. It started with the original Xbox in 2001 and PS4 in 2013. 3ds and switch use ARM.

[@bighousemusic628]

argument closed these fools trying to justify a game console with a custom ryzen 7 3700x apu with a pc that has multicores plus dedicated gpu with high speed v rams plus bigger psu to power performance i would like to see how it stands up to a ryzen thripper pc what these ps5 fanboys dont know and im trying to tell them ps5 is a lock sony system with games optomized for it by the devs pc is raw powerhouse not a lock box even cheap budget pc destroys a gaming console

[@ersariantheoneandonly6821]

It just comes out to your budget. Do you have a 4k TV? do you already have a PC? Most people dont have desktops but Laptops, so they do have a pc that can do any normal activity like browsing the web and video calls. So their choice is to gets ANOTHER PC or get a console. Also most people when buying electronics dont like buying used, so its like this: 1- Get a Gaming PC for 1000€, but they already have a laptop so you only get Gaming as a bonus. You also have a monitor that is way worse than your TV and your speakers are NOTHING like the ones in your Living room for the Cinema... so in reality you will be spending a lot more to get a better Monitor and speakers and Keyboard and Mouse and Mousepad. 2- Get a PS5 Pro for ~800€ and hook it to the Big 4k HDR TV with way better sound equipment than the PC speakers, you get to play awesome ps exclusives AND still have your laptop to do anything you need a PC for aside from gaming. 3- For 1100€ you can buy the new M4 Mac Mini 600€ AND a PS5 for 500€ and have the best of both worlds. But then again you have to get a monitor keyboard etc. All of this depends on what you already have, and considering most people have good modern 4k TVs... a console is way better value than having to buy a new good monitor that is at least 500€ as anything below that will be substantially worse than your TV. If you have a good job you can just literally have both a gaming PC setup and a PS5 Pro... If you cant have the two I would just put gaming on a second plane and focus in your career/studies. Having a better job will also mean you get to buy a better car/bike and much other things.

[@indelible5431]

Using 2nd hand isn't cutting corners, it is a clear benefit of being on the PC platform, and unlike old consoles, helps reduce e-waste.

[@Ohn3_SinN]

You just build "The NOT PS5 Pro Killer Gaming PC" You Guys just proofed, that your PC couldn't keep up with the PS5 Pro

[@jampmp]

What about all the shipping prices?... In some cases the shipping price was almost the same as the part... Don't get me wrong. I think each platform has advantages... I'm happy with all of them

[@Dr.Spatula]

My favorite argument for pc over console is "you can stream and edit video." 2 things i have never and will do after having a PC for nearly 30 years

[@agus.lorenzo]

Yeah, Console haters are delusional. And I’m a filmmaker and video editor, and most of us prefer Apple Mac Studio for video editing.

[@smiley2775]

An idea for a video: have players blind-test PS5 and PS5 Pro, trying to guess which is which.

[@SmuffyGT]

These are always a lot of fun, but has anyone considered what your time is worth? If I spent a single hour researching part configurations, OS costs, building it, and optimizing a single game, I'd have lost enough money to buy a console game I only have to insert. For someone who builds as a hobby, it could be a fun use of your time. For someone who isn't sure which thermal paste to use, it's probably not an efficient use of your time. All in all, I do enjoy overthinking these things and hope you continue to make them.

[@thisishandlenumber2048]

I think you think it's much more complicated then it actually is because you're watching LTT try to nitpick and squeeze the maximum performance of their PCs. In reality most people look up a parts list, make a few tweaks depending on sales, use PCPartPicker to check compatibility, and that's it. Nowadays most drivers install during windows setup and if a game looks bad out of the box you just check reddit to see what settings should be changed. Otherwise it's as plug and play as console. The fact that you mention "someone who isn't sure which thermal paste to use" tells me that you've just seen too many tech videos without knowing the basics. Most PC users don't even know what thermal paste they have because they just use the one that comes with the cooler. The guy that worries about which thermal paste to use has a main rig worth at least $1k and 2-3 scrap rigs that he swears he'll turn into a NAS or media player one day.

[@ZeerakImran]

Exactly. We don’t have time. This thing doesn’t result in anything worth our time. I can also see things going wrong and adding days of delays and hours of distraction. More importantly, frustration. The last thing most of us can afford.

[@SillyDillysTunes]

As an AMD user. I can tell you needed to enable Vivid color in the AMD Adrenaline to make it look right. Also, since you're a PC, the benefit you have is OC. You should OC the GPU and CPU. Also make sure SAM (Smart access memory) is turned on as thats huge.

[@AzumiRM]

You left one thing out: most people are still using a 1080p max 60hz TV. Not a monitor capable of much higher refersh rates in order to fully appreciate the extra frames. If you factor in a monitor which can utilise the hardware fully then you are over budget. Most people already have a TV. Not everyone has a monitor. Then there are other factors like the used components (as you mentioned) and the power draw which impacts the electricity bill. If you're paying, even a few dollars extra per month for your electricity by going with PC, it counts toward the total cost. The PS5 also comes with a controller. Althogh it's a small cost, it's still extra when coupled with the requirement of a mouse and keyboard.

[@randombrit13]

you can use a TV as a monitor.

[@Spetsnazty]

All of that is offset by being upgradable, cheaper games, free play, wider catalogue, more than gaming.

[@bray2079]

@Spetsnazty Games aren't always cheaper . On console you can resell or buy used Games or rent if you want to rely on gamefly. That often offset any savings you get on pc.

[@itsmejak7888]

*You* might be using a crappy 1080p 60hz TV but that doesn't mean "most people" that own a PS5 do 4K TVs cost less than $300 these days if you don't care about it being the best TV in the universe

[@theramennoodler7950]

@@bray2079 Idk if you know this, but on of your repack games for free, I don’t suggest you do it but even latest games are available for free if you go through piracy.

[@RyouTheMad]

"we don't play on easy mode" gets shitload of stuff sent to them for free and/or gets discounts due to brand recognition

[@stuyboi888]

😮 the PSN has to be considered, a subscription fee that is 60 euro a year that can go up in price over the next 3-5 years, the lifetime of this machine so another 180 to 300 euro here

[@FrostThorn]

monitor, keyboards, mouse, mouse matts cost more than a psn subscription

[@recurveninja]

@@FrostThorn If you're going to be that pedantic, throw in a couch and TV on the console side.

[@amalayum]

@@FrostThorn A keyboard is what, $5 and a mouse $5 and a monitor can be had for like $100 for a 120hz these days. PSN is literal dogshite-tier.

[@user-mf7jy3on3z]

@@amalayum You can get a monitor even cheaper if you go the used route just like the pc in the vid, I see a 100hz monitor for £30 on ebay right now (and its an ips!)

[@antonsiberian]

PSN hasn't to be considered if you play only single player games.

[@eldengarrett9153]

In Australia, a PS5 Pro is $1200 + $159 AUD for the disc drive (and $49 for the stand). You can get a prebuilt brand new 4070 super build with a Ryzen 8700F, 32 GB of DDR5 RAM and 1 TB for $1464 AUD. Sure, the build is a couple of hundred more expensive with less storage than the ps5 pro without the extras, but you have a more competent GPU, and a system that has free multiplayer and cheaper games. Also, what PS5 Pro owner is not going to want that disc drive at the least. It's a bit of a no brainer down here.

[@KingAllpha321]

Bro, you can get a PS5 slim at costco for $435 USD right now on holiday sales. Give 2 more years and PS5 Pro prices will drop down to $600 usd or even $500 usd in the future.

[@zvikomboreromugwara5265]

Funny enough, the PS5 Pro in South Africa costs R19500 or $1067, and you can actually build a PC with new parts like a Ryzen 3700X and RX 7700 XT here in South Africa, and It'll be faster than the PS5 pro

[@Masterrunescapeer]

The price LTT is comparing to is without sales tax, $699 * 1.15 (VAT) = $803 which is around R15000. Do note that Sony does not have representation in South Africa, unlike most other regions, they're basically all imported instead of usual buy from manufacturer at a lower price. That said, there's a good chance the R19500 is them seeing who will buy within the first week, and then can say sale for black Friday.

[@clintonmalyon5311]

@@Masterrunescapeer Shalom! Naw that is the price here unfortunately. Import taxes knock us quite a bit. Doing a Direct price, we should be getting it for R12kish or around there. But alas tis R19499. The cheapest Slim you can get is about 10999. Device launches here on the 13th Dec, pre-orders went live about 2 weeks back.

[@TheChaosblock]

dude they literally had the PC here with a 7800xt just match and in some cases LOSE to the ps5 pro? How would a 7700xt be faster?

[@zvikomboreromugwara5265]

@TheChaosblock yeah, my bad.

[@aminegriffiths3649]

Using pre owned parts doesnt count since every part of the PS5 is new. The truth is you cant match the ps5 pro for $700

[@ActionHank]

It 100% counts. The beauty of the PC gaming space is that used parts are abundant and a great thing. What's not fair is the fact that the average consumer that wants to build a PC equivalent (ish) can't compete with a giant corporation that can work out deals to get parts for these machines way less than if they were MSRP, whether they're losing on every console or not somewhere along the line.

[@GaryM-ft7pw]

@@ActionHank You can get the exactly the same parts price as a giant corporation, you just have to be willing to buy the same quantity

[@luckyzzz4622]

​​@@ActionHankтолько fps и графика, лучше на бывшем в употребление пк😂😂! У вас есть 144hz + гейминг в 1080п на ultra, или 1440п. Бесплатный онлайн, и даже игры за 0$, game pass, nexsus mod.

[@Davey_066-vu7eg]

A point to use against those who say its unfair to use second hand parts for the Pc. The PS5 is made by Sony, Sony is buying in bulk that you cant even immagine on the chips for those consoles, which guess what. Being how big of a company they are, making a buisness deal with another huge company. Im sure Sony gets a heafty discount on that, everything in that console is being mass produced and going straight to Sony which gives them quite a discount when adding it all together rather than if they were to just buy 1 of each thing, the chip, the manufacturing of the board, all of the resoucres to make everything that they dont source out to other companies. So its increadbly fair to use second hand parts. Your trying to build a entire pc, part by part having to get each part seperatly and not buying hundres of thousands in bulk.

[@ZeerakImran]

The pc parts are also produced in bulk. And by the same companies too. The ps5 also needs to pay so many costs for retail, managing such a huge operation, testing the hell out of it, developer relations and management, shop floor rent, software/os, returns, warranty, assembly, advertisement, help and service. Yes Sony gets a discount, but the development of their os alone would use that up. In fact, ordering components at that scale introduces many issues. There may be better hardware that the manufacturer can’t build at the scale in a suitable amount of time without higher costs to pay for the immediate investment needed. Also, tech companies capable of manufacturing hardware at that scale are limited to the point that there is little competition. Sony doesn’t have all that much power in this case. Sony also can’t invest or create their own manufacturing. It’s too expensive of an industry to get into.

[@aoiuemura]

The conclusion is clear to me. If you are going to play games, pick a game console: the device will always be cheaper and better in 1 thing, above all else; standardization. - If a game runs like ass on your console, it will run like ass for every single damn same consoles out there. - If a game runs like ass on your PC, or it doesn't even run in your PC, you turn to the forum and they said, "Runs well on mine" or "I'm getting 120fps just fine" 🤡