The PS5 Pro Killer Gaming PC

[@LinusTechTips]

At 7:40 we incorrectly wrote that the PS5 PRO has RDNA 2 Architecture when it actually has RDNA 3 Compute Units and RDNA 4 Ray Tracing Hardware (essentially RDNA 3.5). We've blurred the 2 but are keeping this comment pinned to reflect that.

[@pigeondriver8992]

JUST USE THE DAMN 4070

[@leonro]

Oh, ok.

[@Lucas-v5l8u]

Sup

[@anthonypham9708]

@@pigeondriver8992 lmao. it's $450 USD. that's almost 30% more than than the 7800XT.

[@soulreaperx7x]

Damn! Gamers Nexus really got to you guys huh?

[@AFarCryAway]

I think the use of used parts IS part of what makes PC gaming so special. You CAN make the cuts to stretch your dollar more if needed.

[@tipoomaster]

Tru

[@JROCC205]

Why would you spend money to make the same product that's stupid, wouldn't it make more sense to make a more powerful system, I'd rather spend 1000$ than try to match a pro with used parts. 2nd most people don't know how to build pc's and you mess up a 200$ chip which is easily done your screwed .

[@metalliholic]

Eventually, You can buy a used ps5 pro too though

[@xColdxXD]

Very good point, then at the end of the day you can always sell parts of the PC you went a little cheaper on at the time and upgrade to better components compared to buying a whole console.

[@menjivarTv]

You could also buy a used console lol it's unfair comparing used vs new prices

[@primoshunter]

Slapping a new GPU in the old PS5 killer PC actually would have shown why it's better to go with a part by part upgradable ecosystem

[@leowtyx]

but then only the new GPU is new

[@primoshunter]

@leowtyx yes

[@ha-itsme]

@@leowtyx That's the point. You don't really need to get a whole new system. Just upgrade what you need and save where you can.

[@HapPawhere]

@@leowtyx Yeah but that is PC advantages LOL

[@HapPawhere]

@@leowtyx Why the heck you need new part if you can just upgrade your GPU on PC???????

[@General_M]

I think it’s worth mentioning that one additional advantage to the PS5 Pro is its power consumption. It runs around 230W most of the time, and that’s tremendously more efficient than the PC build. And honestly pretty impressive performance for such relatively low power draw.

[@karn1129]

Really not a selling point as 99% of consumers wouldn’t even think about that or even care.

[@Exonautic]

Given the amount of people clawing at a 5080 which will probably draw double the ps5 pros total power draw, power consumption is very low on the list for anyone interested in a ps5 pro vs pc comparison.

[@VikingOtter]

10:20 Digital Foundry covered this in their Upscaling Face-off video between PSSR, DLSS and FSR. It seems to be an art asset issue in the game and DLSS/PSSR are the only two scalers that resolves the grass to a satisfactory degree

[@ОсликИа-я2ы]

To me it looked more like one of those crappy AA variants like TAA which turn into blur when things are moving, but look just fine when the image is still (like in the menu)

[@lilyemma3382]

@@ОсликИа-я2ы it's like the original comment said, it's an art asset issue. for SOME reason the game constantly thinks the grass has motion vectors applied to them, even though they're still. which results in the really really weird issue you see. I'm guessing it's fine in the pause menu because well... the game world is paused, so no motion vectors are applying to anything anymore. pssr and dlss can work around this and resolve this pretty well, but still not perfectly

[@Godmode_ON24]

Why does everyone ignore XESS? It looks considerably better than FSR on RDNA 2 & 3 cards, with similar performance.

[@oscar21781]

@@Godmode_ON24 the 10 people that own them haven't commented yet 😂

[@MejiaTovarRubenDario]

​@@oscar21781 What?

[@dragon2knight]

"Shut up! Oh it's my boss" Linus 2024

[@idzan-private]

😂 it got me so hard 🤣 It needs to be memed for a once 🤣

[@mmmellowbite]

I was surprised that even linus got a boss

[@iCortex1]

that made me laugh haha lol funny lmao

[@MisterMemeDude]

He has a boss?

[@svengal97]

​@@MisterMemeDudeHe stepped down as CEO, now he's just in charge of creation. Makes it so he's more available for videos.

[@TheFlyingClutchman]

I think people tend to forget that games are highly optimised for consoles while these days it feels like devs dont even bother with optimisation on the windows versions anymore

[@jayg339]

Yeah, even with a 4070ti on my pc, I can get stuttering on some games that is a pain in the butt where I don’t get anywhere near as much stuttering on PS5. PC gaming is just not in the greatest of places right now, which really sucks. I wish they would get that shit together.

[@BMXrecords]

That's because when game devs are releasing their games, they have to potentially plan for nearly infinite different combinations of hardware.

[@paranaenselol]

GTA6 only on consoles: 🤡

[@traestephen7276]

​@BMXrecords you mean make it run good in general. Direct x and Vulkan do the make it run part already

[@Goldstarman]

A lot of games that have rough PC ports also struggle on console btw

[@jpbruce4836]

That $XXX to $165 dub at 8:52 was so smooth i had to watch it multiple times. Great job and a lot less jarring than the text-to-speech dubs!

[@toniilola]

Wow, i didn't even realize until i read your comment

[@hassaanahmed5784]

holy shit how did you spot that!

[@paulroberto2286]

Linus accidently mouthing David's lines around 0:15 cracks me up lol

[@jacobclarke9019]

@@paulroberto2286 didn’t notice lmao

[@Julzaa]

Damn that's a weird thing to see

[@MidnightToker24]

I didn’t notice it the first time. Just read the comments and now I see it 😬

[@paulroberto2286]

@@Julzaa after he talked about it on WAN show, I find it hard to unsee xD

[@han-dell]

inexperienced/untrained actors do this all the time

[@magicarmyman]

You just built almost the exact setup my buddy currently runs. Same motherboard, same cpu, same storage, heck even the same ram. the main difference is that he instead runs a 3050 and it is built out of a lan party case from like 2013 he pulled out of a dumpster.

[@charlesfreeze3997]

Yoooo 3050 gang. Always fun to see fellow owners of it, even if by extension.

[@SoberAddiction]

Lan Party used to have the sweetest motherboards. Bright colors on the mainboard that popped. At the time when windowed cases were basically unheard of.

[@stefnauc9675]

@@charlesfreeze3997 its not even his bro...

[@leonro]

​@@stefnauc9675That's why the dude said it was "by extension".

[@stefnauc9675]

@@leonro oh you're right me blind and stupid lol

[@TacticalCorn]

Linus: Only NECESSARY used parts Also Linus: Basically every component except gpu used

[@shayanali8771]

@@TacticalCorn this video is unrealistic as not every one wants to spend on used components or have the luxury to get best used deals if you are not from US. I would suggest increasing the budget to$ 1000 and buying new components. The 1000$ machine will still a better buy than the pro.

[@inconspicuous45]

The GPU was probably used too, there is NO way to get a new 7800xt for less than like 440-450

[@something4114]

I think it means used parts are necessary... Not only those that are necessary...

[@eldibs]

I'm a PC gamer, but I'm glad that Sony has been putting in the work on their upscaling engine. Good upscalers mean gaming hardware can last longer, which means fewer components in a landfill and more gamers can get their hands on working hardware.

[@bhohenbrink]

I'll take one of those "350 dollar" 7800xt's... That exact card from the link is 480 dollars.

[@another_turtle]

Found like 12 of them local for $400 USD

[@Agent4OuRights]

@@bhohenbrink Best Buy has it for $339.99

[@steviewonder0850]

I got a 3080ti for less than $350 about 6 months ago and it has 10% better performance than a 7800xt, better RT, and DLSS which would have negated all the issues with the FSR comparisons they showcase in this video...

[@alexispicard1566]

@@steviewonder0850 but 12Gb of memory when the PS5 has 16Gb available.

[@Tinyboyyy]

​@@alexispicard156616 gig of shared ram? Equals how much to in terms of dedicated ram?

[@ArjanJanissen]

I would've loved to have seen an extra comparison with a DLSS card, just to see if that change/upgrade would change the overall conclusion or decision.

[@DesFTW_]

Without being super up to date with used prices, the performance for what they were testing would be better with a 4070, but it would also cost a bit more. Like I would personally get the 7800 XT and disable RT, but for this type of direct comparison (and for people who want to play with RT) the 4070 is a better choice.

[@CaveWaverider]

@@DesFTW_ Yeah, but DLSS would look better than FSR as well.

[@oftankoftan]

@@CaveWaverider the HDR might look better also

[@ClSCOTN]

@@DesFTW_ At the same price of 7800 xt there is 4060 ti and it's better with DLSS.

[@imo098765]

@@DesFTW_ eh, the 7800XT is barely faster in raster but in RT the 4070 slaps it, 7800XT 6% faster in raster games that are actually worth turning on RT the 4070 is up to 27% or higher Then FSR is just worse than DLSS and to match image quality of DLSS If you have to use FSR Quality to get DLSS Balanced image quality both at output 4K You think the 6% raster is still going to be 6% rendering a higher internal resolution?

[@Eli-zb2yj]

The playstation 5 pro killer is the price

[@happysquad]

Same joke and wasn’t even remotely possible to watch the video when you commented. Reddit hive mind comment

[@James-dc6ft]

​@@happysquadBloodborne profile pic? You like getting humiliated by Sony don't you?

[@felinor693]

​@@happysquadSony ain't gonna give u a reach around

[@TalkieToaster.]

@@happysquad are the voices in the room with you now?

[@magiic3871]

Comment made by someone who would never have bought the ps5 pro to begin with.

[@Skipsx]

For ratchet and clank you left it at 4x anisotropic filtering, also using insomniacs upscaler is better than FSR 3.

[@Woodz_007]

I dont think even China can Poop out a 2TB Gen 4 NVME SSD at 30$ Low or 75$ standard price.

[@ItsNeverMe]

I saw one for 80€ on Ebay after like 20seconds of looking. WD 2TB Edit: 85€ not 80

[@lennywhere]

@@ItsNeverMe ebay xd

[@DmadPs]

@@lennywhere imagina hating on eBay in 2024

[@Woodz_007]

@@ItsNeverMe was it Gen 4 NVME or was it SATA SSD. I will guess it was SATA ssd

[@ItsNeverMe]

@Woodz_007 nvme gen4, it's a WD idk what model

[@space.raider.2271]

I laughed out loud at "komrades of Ken Kutaragi" it's good to remember the eccentric grand daddy of the PS brand.

[@BlueBoy0]

Yeah, I didn't expect a Disco Elysium reference.

[@p5rsona]

@@BlueBoy0 was that a genuine line from the game?

[@BlueBoy0]

@@p5rsona Yeah, he's your partner in the game.

[@smiley2775]

An idea for a video: have players blind-test PS5 and PS5 Pro, trying to guess which is which.

[@reza221282]

& everyone forgot that PS5 PRO also included dual sense controller 😂

[@ekinteko]

Maybe the real PS5 Pro killer was the friends we made along the way

[@SniperJo.]

So true🥹

[@misakamikoto8602]

Bruhhhhhh🗿

[@roejieks]

very funny and very original

[@10goku83]

@@roejieks indeed, it genuinely made me laugh🤣 and cry😭

[@neophenom]

The best thing about this whole video? This comment, right here.

[@Neon-gl7po]

A 7800 xt for $350 as "easy to find" is kinda crazy. Realistically on ebay the average is around 400-450

[@kuro.editzzz]

try evetech. 7800xt is priced nicely

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

Yip what bull their actual link to the card is $475! Anyway we can see its more on par with a nvidia 4070 to get 60fps.

[@orangeclam6377]

@@Neon-gl7po maybe they mean CAD not USD

[@callmesmart7233]

@@orangeclam6377 that does not make any sense

[@orangeclam6377]

@ that’s my fault I got my currencies mixed around

[@southernpanda33]

2:56 Mark, my dude, don’t be mad we can take advantage of used parts. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. We as consumers need every advantage we can get over corporations that can afford to spend millions on mass produced parts.

[@mitsuhh]

lol jokes on you if you think cerny has any feelings over that sorta thing He’s a grown adult with a high level job, not an internet crybaby

[@southernpanda33]

@ I thought my profile picture would make the sarcasm obvious? No?

[@TheWWWyrm]

How is he being mad? He just pointed out that comparison is flawed as it’s new ps5 vs used pc. And you can get a used ps5 for quite cheap, meaning pc will still lose in specs comparission

[@xeon39688]

​@@TheWWWyrmhow do you know the parts aren't used in PS5 Pro?

[@mitsuhh]

@@xeon39688 Are you for real?

[@Megalodo-w4r]

In Ratchet and Clank - Rift Apart, XeSS could be enabled and the quality would be better + you have the option to enable frame generation, which significantly increases the priority of the PC platform. So why are you testing mostly Sony exclusives? Where is Alan Wake 2, Silent Hill 2 remake?

[@cadenchurchill4296]

5:59 That case’s meme sticker should say “LTT Inside” or something.

[@PAINNN666]

LTT drops 🤣🤣

[@Kevin_5619]

uh, WD 2TB drive for for $75?!?! That's insane, let alone the $30 low

[@ItsNeverMe]

I found one for 80€ on Ebay, so it's possible.

[@starship_01]

Exactly! Which universe are they buying it from?

[@snopro2375]

@@ItsNeverMe 2tb? $80 wow! 😧

[@techsamurai11]

@@Kevin_5619 the $30 one is probably corrupt.

[@techsamurai11]

Consoles are the kings of entry value but you eventually pay the same.

[@abdullahzafar4401]

7:40 There's a mistake here Ps5 Pro micro-architecture is not rdna 2, Its Rdna 3.5

[@billpogi23]

@@abdullahzafar4401 💯💯💯

[@LinusTechTips]

you are correct and we are making a fix now -DG

[@dockgamer973]

Sorry you made a mistake is RDNA 2 digital foundry already told us that and its littlerly on the pas5 pros safety manual in its spec sheet in the box, so i dont know who told you that garbage. Its a 16.7 tflops RDNA 2 system digital foundry said it themselves and sony.

[@kiisseli1337]

@@dockgamer973 Zen 2 CPU is in specs, GPU is not RDNA 2. At least the added abilities are definitely not RDNA 2 because it doesn't have those

[@nicane-9966]

@@dockgamer973 maybe becuase sony themselves said that it had RDNA 4 in it?...

[@koolestani]

14:24 "Dude, touch this" -Linus 2024

[@GuusKlaas]

Honestly, with the level of in-depth tuning, I'd honestly would love to see a blind comparison of "non techy, yet gamery" staff (perhaps level of gamers/kind of gamers) where they do a blind test between 3 systems, PS5, PS5Pro, PS5ProKillerPC, Pro gaming PC, and perhaps for measure, if the titles "overlap", throw in an xbox as well. The tree/foilage stuff during gameplay, might blur out. Just give the blind testers the exact same controller (obv would not work on xbox), and tell them to NOT hit any menu/system buttons that would give away what the PC/TV is.

[@MrEcted]

I second this idea!

[@JayDee98765]

I like the idea behind this, but honestly, who needs the headache of making a sub par PC. Just buy the damn PS5 pro, and enjoy gaming. I don't wanna spend ages trying to make the damn thing, I want to play games!..

[@Adz612]

2 or 3 hours tops. And to save potentially hundreds in online fees!

[@AZBCDE]

Also in a much smaller form factor

[@juanmontanez6811]

Ps5 pro over the pc for the same price is still a better deal. Even though they were able to get the pc to work and show that it can run there were a lot of performance issues and trade offs just say it’s almost the same. I enjoy quality and performance but there was way too many compromises and adjustments being made for every game to say you’ll have a better experience while settling for less even if you personally feel that it’s not a big enough difference. I would hate to build a budget friendly pc and fight with the graphics settings just to get the game to run with good performance at the cost of quality.

[@qweewwq7525]

@@juanmontanez6811 XD

[@Grandwigg]

It still also counts down to the individual. The online gameplay fees, as mentioned and discarded for the sake of this video are absolutely part of what I'd have to consider. And depending on existing library and exclusives can shift the calculation either way. IMO, the major takeaway is that you could conceivable take either path and be happy with it. And that's a good thing.

[@yiwzhu]

None of the comments mentioning the shipping cost. NONE! I mean, you seriously want to pay cheap for parts on ebay but average $20 or more for EACH part for the shipping. Thats 100 more add on just for shipping cost.

[@dave-000]

I mean, wouldn't the PS5 have its own shipping costs? Yeah, for one unit instead of multiple, but still a shipping cost.

[@yiwzhu]

@@dave-000 PS5 have its retailers and almost every one of them have free shipping.

[@MrEcted]

I'm just glad we're all still fighting over console vs PC. Life would be boring without choices.

[@Aurummorituri]

Uhh…you totally the missed half the point of this PC build vs the PS5 Pro. You should have tested in Baldur’s Gate town area and compared the difference. The Pro is still heavily CPU-bottlenecked just like the base version. I wanted to see how the 12400f handles that area. 😢

[@syncmonism]

Look, I think the PC is the more cost effective platform, as long as you know what you're doing. The games end up being way cheaper, especially as they go down in price over time, whereas the console games tend not to go down in price very much at all, and the consoles also have those subscription fees for basic services, which are quite high. That being said, the PS5 is not heavily CPU bottlenecked in general, it just can be in some very specific parts of some games, so you're just cherry picking an edge case to support your claim. The CPU performance of the console is also not equivalent to a Zen 2 CPU on PC, because of significant differences in the architecture of the memory, and also because of other efficiencies related to the semi-custom design, and also to the much more developer friendly development environment and development tools, which result in generally much better optimized games. Of course, what PCs lack in optimization, they tend to be able to make up for in raw horsepower. Even the now two generations old 5700X3D is a monster of a CPU, which somehow manages to trade blows with Intel's latest flagship CPU built on a process node that's two generations newer (TSMC 3nm vs. 7nm), and a great upgrade option for people still on AM4.

[@bladeclanhalo3]

@@syncmonism the ps5 has basically a 3600 for gaming. its not fast and is a problem for a lot of current games, especially eu5 ones

[@Aurummorituri]

@@syncmonism You lost me at your second paragraph as it’s basically all false. Cherry picking? There are way more games than Baldur’s Gate that can’t hold 60fps due to CPU constraints. You’re right that the CPU is not equivalent to a Zen 2 CPU on PC-it’s worse. It lacks the standard cache and clocks of desktop counterparts and has to share bandwidth with the GPU. No amount of “optimizations” can account for all that latency. You can’t keep clinging to old PS4 games re-released on PS5 to say “everything runs great” when they use old engines with limited CPU demands. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself with some Digital Foundry videos instead of making stuff up.

[@Saiegel]

I'm sorry to be saying the same thing that a lot of people in the comments, but I just bought a WB black 1TB for my ps5 and it was with seasonal discounts 80 USD. And I went for that one since the 2TB version was almost around 159 with the biggest discounts, so the price placed at bellow 50 in the comparisons is not sitting well.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

I found some 2tb drives for $90-100. NVME, pretty high speed. Also saw 4tb's for $200, or the same price as the new Xbox external drive on sale

[@LinusTechTips]

Are you talking new SSD? Every part in the video is used and I can currently find recently sold listings on ebay for ~$80 for the 2TB. We also found a 2TB 980 Pro for $30 and have the photo on the forum if you want to check it out.

[@benjiro8793]

Really depends where you buy ... Just looking up the deals and can find a brand new 1TB for 40 Euro here. 2TB are ~95 to 110 Euro. New prices, not second hand.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

@@LinusTechTips yes, i saw a brand new, name brand SSD for @ $100 yesterday. I know you filmed this a few days ago, if not a week, like Silicon Power 2TB UD90 NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 SSD R/W up to 5,000/4,800 MB/s on Newegg

[@bdizzle9586]

@@LinusTechTips Yeah but my Pro is new, has warranty and I don’t have wait for games I actually like. Weird, right?

[@JayzTwoCentzIG]

Linus saying Okay Eagle Eyes triggered my google assistant 5:55

[@SethanderWald]

Same here! 😅

[@PallavBhardwaj-dry_ice_cool]

I mean the gpu on pc is soo overclock friendly that all the shortcomings in the video could be solved by doing that

[@GabrielCarvalho-gd8op]

I have many complaints about this comparison. 1 - at the end you say not anybody has a couple hundreds to spare. While I agree with the statement, I completely disagree about the piece you are talking about. The pro is the fancy machine. you can get the base for $380. If you going to play the money issue card, get the base model. 2 - Settings on consoles are lower than PC. You can clearly see In ratchet that RT is NOT applied in rough surfaces on the PS5, while it is on PC. It is NOT an apples to apples comparison. 3 - You guys should've talked about upscaling quality level. I kinda got it that on Dragonage, you are not running FSR as low as PSSR. While yeah, PSSR might give a better result, the rendering resolution is different. 4 - You didn't test performance mode. PS5 games are usually CPU limited, which means that the 120Hz mode and sometime 60Hz mode are kinda lacking. With the PC on a 12400F, you can easily run stuff at 120fps. Now to a more general public complaint. A PC is basically a forever box. You don't need to throw away your current one and buy a completely new one. For most, the price of the PS5 killer PC is just the GPU, not the whole system. PC gamers don't lose all their library because a new gen came out. I can play PS3 games. Can a PS5 play PS3 games? I had a dual sense and that controller is trash. The 8bitdo is cheaper and much better. PC is all about choices and you are not locked like a console

[@SheepAmongG.O.A.T]

My complaint is the laughable idea it's comparable to a 4070. 4070 is like 30 Tflops. Linus bias showing again.

[@Perrajajaja]

Next time, pay a bit of premium so you can use DLSS. Its just so much better. And you'll get proper ray tracing performance. If you are going to check games this way side by side with those technologies on, you just cant go with amd imo

[@nightcorefusion3884]

My only take way from this is that upgrading to a HDR display for gaming on PC isn't gonna matter much for me. OLED, sure. But looks like I'll be wanting higher refresh rates over brighter colours.

[@UNKNWN96]

I’m a PC owner and the biggest argument for getting on PC for me isn’t even gaming lol, it’s the accessibility to do whatever I want other than gaming (Streaming and having OBS be fully customizable, swap out parts and upgrade without having to buy an entirely new system, downloading VM to have Linux for my coding environment, video editing software, multi-monitor support, full access to BIOS to overclock/undervolt for performance, etc.). Then you add cheap games from various sites and no cost to play online. Idk there’s something about buying each part used and getting an insane deal that I love with PC as well. I haven’t paid MSRP for a part in YEARS 😂

[@RnX]

FINALLY MY POOR ASS BUDGET HAS A PC

[@TW-bh2mi]

no it doesnt these prices are all lies

[@bossfire001]

@@TW-bh2mi please elaborate

[@ItsNeverMe]

Just go on the hunt for dirt cheap used parts. My current pc was free on a local marketplace.

[@Pir-o]

@@TW-bh2mi > "prices are all lies!" > Video literally ends with "we have links in video description"

[@Volsia]

@@Pir-o Did you click on any of the links in the description? Prices are vastly different than the ones listed in the video.

[@jakubmurin7992]

The question is will it handle gta 6 when it releases?

[@MrBizaaro]

Just like selling your old PS5, you can also sell your old graphics card. For most people, all you need is a GPU upgrade, even a 6 or 7 year old i7 will be perfectly sufficient. Buy a 4060Ti or any other AMD equivalent and call it a day.

[@jwhi419]

The worst advice I've ever seen in my life. A 128bit 8gb card is going to last no where near as long as the 16gb vram ps5 pro. Unless you don't care about 720p or below base renders. As for using a 7 year old cpu... Go and compare i3 12100 versus i9 9900k and be suprised at what you see. You aren't going to be crossing 50fps on a 8700k anymore. Get a ryzen 7500 or atleast i5 13400.

[@xeon39688]

​@@jwhi419why would you use an i3 to start with, use an i5 at least

[@jwhi419]

@@xeon39688 because it means literally nothing. Did you go look up the i9 9900k vs i3 12100k? Ga... Well no matter. You look it up or you dont

[@pedroantares9826]

Pc components have a lot more depeciation than ps in my country. It's good if you want to buy and bad if you want to sell.

[@varandeepsingh9270]

@@jwhi419i have a 9900k with a 6750xt and my cpu will run at 100% while playing any game except valorant, league, CS. BO6 is a nightmare for 1% lows and inconsistency. Youre right and thats why im upgrading to a 7600x next year

[@bahamutbbob]

Linus, you're going to have to talk to your boss' boss about getting emails while filming.

[@vandammage1747]

This video actually made Ps5 pro look like a bargain. Worse cpu, worse gpu, worse controller, huge ugly box, much bigger powerdraw, worse wifi, most likely not silent, no warranty, no system warranty, used parts. FSR is trash and takes up gpu ressources unlike PSSR, worse RT, no dedicated compression bloc which means those 6 cpu cores will have to do that too. Oh and you have to tinker with it yourself Lmao

[@messicomps344]

PC builders just can't shut up, ever. Every single desktop computer in existence to them has to be subject to comparison so they can feed their ego. It's so incredibly frustrating that they don't get that not everyone has the time to do these things, nor the desire even if they did have the time. Oddly enough I don't see any content regarding how annoying PC builders are as a community. This video is JUST as disingenuous as the one Linus made about the PS5 but I'm guessing after all the comments he learnt nothing

[@thetechnosaiyan]

But still stuck at 30 fps 😂

[@fillsbury8304]

@@messicomps344 Hahaha, as an Xbox gamer, this toxicity is NOT exclusive to the PC builders. Just mentioning that I prefer my Series X to my PS5 will make Sony fanboys fume with rage.

[@FurBurger151]

​@@thetechnosaiyan Dude while we're all here aware that 30fps is based on a developer issue, your here trying to tell yourself it's not. Grow up.

[@extrathicc8819]

You dont know anything bout specs if you think an Alder Lake CPU is worst than Zen 2 but actually Zen1+ performance of the PS5 and PS5 Pro. Stop console warring.

[@jordanmntungwa3311]

No Console will ever beat the Speed of ALT+ TAB to switch between gaming and other tasks.. I hop on to CS2 for a 5min round, alt- tab and space bar and my youtube video continues from where I paused. Almost instantaneous. not to mention 15second boot up time, being able to work and multitask. Talk to my family via video call on one Monitor and carry on with work on the other (its how I keep in touch with my mom). Nothing beats the speed of a PC

[@FireCulex]

That doesn't make any sense because console's use the same hardware as PC's. It started with the original Xbox in 2001 and PS4 in 2013. 3ds and switch use ARM.

[@Woodz_007]

8:48 The 2TB SSD is NOT 30$ and the link in description has it for 90$ and that's a 1TB SSD so like whadaheck

[@eddiecoker4808]

@@Woodz_007 😂😂I thought I was trippin when I saw that.

[@Woodz_007]

​@@eddiecoker4808 lol same. a new 2TB Gen 4 NVME ssd costs like 130$ to 150$.

[@bobkontrolololuje8618]

The used ssd probably had insane writes on it

[@temir3146]

@@Woodz_007 I think links are for new parts, and the “low price” one is for used parts. But $90 is still higher than $75 :/

[@mittaconnor1448]

Cheapest used 7800xt on eBay is $460 buyout/shipping and even sold ones via bidding are all like $440, with a few slightly below. Idk where he’s getting these prices, definitely not “easy to find” for $350 as his chart suggests.

[@H.T.H.]

Hi, Great video! I appreciate the detailed overview. However, I noticed that the lab wasn’t prominently featured. Incorporating lab tests to compare various budget power supplies-highlighting their performance differences-would enhance the content. For instance, showcasing three affordable options (one subpar, one average, and one excellent) would provide valuable insights for viewers seeking cost-effective solutions.

[@weez82]

It's honestly a great time to be a gamer. Xbox, PlayStation, and PC all offer great value for a really good gaming experience. They all have pros and cons. Consoles biggest con is the subscriptions needed for online gaming. We shouldn't have to pay $ just to game chat and be able to team up with others. PCs biggest con is setup and choice. It's not plug and play. You have to choose parts and then you have to set things up. Not just hardware if you're building but the software side of things. Setting up windows and then installing drivers and then setting up game settings. It's not for everyone. I would like to see a video like this one but for all the price points. MSRP of $300 for Xbox Series S, $450-$500 for PS5/Series X, and $700 for PS5 Pro. Factor in the cost of all the subscriptions needed for online play for 3 years on console ($180 for Xbox Core and $240 for PS Essential) and build a PC at those price point but add an extra $180 to $240 to the budget because the subscriptions aren't needed on PC. Series S I like would still be a killer value for gaming but not so much the others.

[@makasete30]

I’d also add physicals. I can buy cheaply and sell for the same price or more. I can borrow and lend from friends, rent from the library. I even like having my own collection on my shelf. I also think console gaming is great for couch coop with family and friends in the living room. Switch in particular has a wide range of games that 4 players can play. PC evangelists forget, deny, or choose to ignore that some still prefer these things. PC convenience may have greatly improved, and a digital subscription future draws nearer, but these are still valid reasons to have a console.

[@weez82]

@ yes. There is a long list of pros and cons for both pc and console. Unfortunately I don’t think physical media or couch coop is make or break for a ton of people. Companies know this and that’s why physical media is dying a slow death and couch coop is hard to find. And those things have been mentioned in LTT videos before

[@weez82]

@@makasete30 I also want to add that I'm not saying PC is better or console is better. They both offer a great gaming experience. I have a Series S, PS5 disc version, and a gaming PC. All 3 are great and it's a very good time to be a gamer

[@michaeloconnell145]

For sure we honestly have hardware so good, most games don't even need it. I haven't even seen a need to upgrade my PC since 2020 and am still vibing. I am jealous of the convenience factor of consoles though, I always appreciate just going to retail to pick up a switch game even if the specs are way lower and no configuration is necessary and I can sell or trade my physical games. Switch online is a real shame though imo I haven't used it since 2020 though I just play PC games online instead.

[@millenial_in_the_middle]

Why not let the game auto-detect the best settings for your game on pc?

[@zvikomboreromugwara5265]

Funny enough, the PS5 Pro in South Africa costs R19500 or $1067, and you can actually build a PC with new parts like a Ryzen 3700X and RX 7700 XT here in South Africa, and It'll be faster than the PS5 pro

[@Masterrunescapeer]

The price LTT is comparing to is without sales tax, $699 * 1.15 (VAT) = $803 which is around R15000. Do note that Sony does not have representation in South Africa, unlike most other regions, they're basically all imported instead of usual buy from manufacturer at a lower price. That said, there's a good chance the R19500 is them seeing who will buy within the first week, and then can say sale for black Friday.

[@clintonmalyon5311]

@@Masterrunescapeer Shalom! Naw that is the price here unfortunately. Import taxes knock us quite a bit. Doing a Direct price, we should be getting it for R12kish or around there. But alas tis R19499. The cheapest Slim you can get is about 10999. Device launches here on the 13th Dec, pre-orders went live about 2 weeks back.

[@TheChaosblock]

dude they literally had the PC here with a 7800xt just match and in some cases LOSE to the ps5 pro? How would a 7700xt be faster?

[@zvikomboreromugwara5265]

@TheChaosblock yeah, my bad.

[@AusSkiller]

One aspect that isn't covered is that if you already have a PC then the real PS5 killer could be a simple upgrade. Your existing components may be good enough already so you can just spend more on a GPU, and if you have a Ryzen CPU you could upgrade the CPU too without needing a new motherboard. The big advantage of PC is that you don't need to throw out everything when something new comes along and I'd be curious how much better the PC does when you factor in the savings when upgrading instead of buying a whole new rig.

[@RockyLaRosa]

@@AusSkiller but you wont feel the magic in your hands

[@22oreos]

the segues throughout this video were insanely smooth lmfao. loved every second of em

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

Does it play stellar blade at 80fps ? Oh it doesn’t ? Never mind

[@bonkwonkelchip7569]

can't believe my comment was featured at 2:30 LOL

[@CrespoFTW]

Congrats on the comment featured in the vid

[@RyouTheMad]

"we don't play on easy mode" gets shitload of stuff sent to them for free and/or gets discounts due to brand recognition

[@DefffYT]

Dale Gribble's pocket sand move. Nice 👍

[@wafiq1958]

0:28 Aussie shout out

[@Apex8r]

Was just confirming. Prices are up here in US while politicians claim price gouging which is horsesh!t Depends on where you get your info from; also bodegas may be clearly doing this but 7-11 has been for the last 40yrs and no one complained

[@timjames5719]

Glad we've set the new standard for price gouging

[@kensekilei3713]

SN850X for 75$ where? Low price of 30? WHERE????

[@DesFTW_]

I'm guessing used local prices with the $30 being a one off because not many people are in the market for used storage.

[@theramennoodler7950]

That’s what I’m wondering, 1tb is like $73 on amazon, but definitely more expensive for the 2 tb

[@kensekilei3713]

@@DesFTW_ Even still, I've checked marketplace and can't find anything close to that, not even the scam/bait are that low

[@HydrasHead]

Yeah about the best I can find are around a 100€ for 1Tb.

[@lucasgomes6096]

They commented on another comment that the 30/75 price is for the Samsung 980 Pro, not the SN850X.

[@triggahappyyt5420]

You guys didnt factor in the price of the controller..... i believe when you buy a ps5 pro you get a controller, please correct me if im wrong, not unless in the us controllers are not included

[@agus.lorenzo]

You do get a controller

[@faceLESS559]

15:08 another big reason to go for a nvidia graphics card. Windows HDR is terrible and the Geforce Experience app has a much better HDR profile you can apply to any game, even older games that wouldnt normally support it.

[@lifson22]

8:07 So this is exactly what I was afraid of. You already lost me at this point if you're trying to match the fidelity. I'm no fanboy, I mostly play PC, but I own PS5, Xbox One X, PS4 Pro, Steam Deck, and Switch, so I have zero brand loyalty because I'm an actual rational human. But going with a card that can only do FSR upscaling is just an immediate loss in the matching fidelity goal. So many people look at still images to judge upscalers, but its in motion that FSR's failure is most obvious, and the smeary dithered ghosting like effect is just awful to my eyes. PSSR has been shown to resolve these details in motion much more like DLSS 2 and above, and its a huge difference if you understand what you're looking at. My main PC is running a 4090, and I run DLSS quality whenever its available, most my experience with FSR is when its the only option in PC games, or on PS5, and its night and day once you understand where it falls apart in motion clarity.

[@Kaenguruu]

I'm agreeing with you concerning the DLSS/FSR/PSSR stuff but just a heads up: No human is rational. Not even you.

[@sleepyduxx9555]

Are you really rational if you have a pc with a 4090 and still bought a ps5?

[@lifson22]

​@@sleepyduxx9555 I have expendable income and gaming has been a lifelong hobby, and I've wanted to play games like ff7 rebirth and stellar blade when they released. I will likely buy them on steam when they are available, and play them again.

[@BearDown69420]

Nerd

[@lifson22]

@BearDown69420 uh yeah no sht

[@hayderneamah1323]

So are they counting the set up ? Desk , chair , Screen ? Probably speakers or headphones? Cause i don't need any additional set up for my console, besides the already there at home TV and sofa .

[@Malus234]

you can plug the pc to the tv and use that, add 20$ for a keyboard+touchpad combo and functionally its the same For example they are not adding yearly cost of online on console either

[@xgui4-studios]

@@Malus234 but without a table it will be hard to use and a couch isnt a chair

[@hayderneamah1323]

@@Malus234 seems like a lot of work ,time and energy to DIY yourself. Especially if your not familiar with PC and PC parts installationsetc., hardware and software unfortunately consoles still best option for casual gaming price, easy to use and family friendly. Of course if you have enough money and time you can get both easy .

[@Malus234]

@@hayderneamah1323 yeah the last time there was a PC as immediate as a console to use for just gaming was with the steam machine

[@Malus234]

@@xgui4-studios why would you need a chair for gaming when you can do it with the controller? Also it's not like a PC works only on a table

[@i_am_chubs]

Can you guys actually follow what you say in the very same video? Like come on guys, you literally say you went AMD KNOWING that the raytracing on the PS5 PRO was more comparable to a 4070 and said the raw performance was better and you felt the tradeoff was worth it, then proceeded to test every game with raytracing anyway and complained when it didn't match up.

[@sk8ermGs]

Pc fanboys have truly become desperate

[@WindHaze10]

Yep, would have liked to see the results of each game when ray tracing and upscaling is turned off

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@sk8ermGs That makes no sense whatsoever.

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@WindHaze10 Then it's not a one to one comparison of the game! Upscaling and RT is what the Pro is adding 😂😂😂 So you want to have a worse looking game on PC and claim victory because it runs better? 😂😂😂

[@WindHaze10]

@@pixeljauntvr7774 At least for me high refresh rates 100+ Hz heavily outweigh the benefits of Ray Tracing immersion if enabling it drops framerates to sub 60 Hz. Upscaling is just technology to "try" boosting the framerate back up (comes with loss of graphical details) .

[@gyorgysanta145]

What we can tell is that AI upscaling and framegen have killed PC optimization. Now devs don't even have to make an effort to make their game run smooth, then can just trust DLSS or FSR to do the job of delivering playable frames and they won't care if it looks like crap. PC gaming is slowly becoming an expensive niche of crappy console ports with Nvidia moving on to the lucrative AI market and leaving gamers with overpriced hand-me-down cards that people will desperately buy because they want to stick to PC games.

[@geordiegamingchannel728]

I'm getting little pissed at the constant PlayStation 5 negativity, watched the xbox version and it's clear you are pro xbox You failed to factor in the shipping costs, the controller and you used a mouse and keyboard which is also not in the price, no warranty, CPU cooler and thermal paste and of course the risk of getting dead parts Clearly it would cost more for a PC and the ps5 pro is cheaper despite it being quick high itself, getting a ps5 base is much better but your so against the playstation it's getting annoying

[@jimgottberg1975]

Having been in IT for over 24 years, there is something to be said for just firing off a game and knowing it will work without BSOD's, obscure driver issues, etc. I work on my PC and game on my PS5 Pro

[@MastaFRO1]

Yall just gonna ignore the fact both base and Pro PS5 come with a Dualsense controller that retails at US$ 74.00 …

[@Tinyboyyy]

Maybe they didn't put that into account since you have to pay to play online on a Playstation.

[@mitsuhh]

@@Tinyboyyyno you don’t F2P games have free online. And ps plus subscription comes with a lot more than just online mp

[@RiceCubeTech]

@@mitsuhhI wanna play BO6 with my boys I do so for free after already paying 70 bucks for the game on PC. I’m not playing ANOTHER fee to play a game I can only play on internet anyways and already don’t own.

[@mitsuhh]

@@RiceCubeTech Ok?

[@MythionVR]

The capture card, are you duplicating the output or just passing through to the monitor? It honestly looks like it's getting passed through on PC, rather than the output getting duplicated.

[@irwan86]

Now I know why so many PC user so mad about PS5 pro 😂

[@Steve21_harris]

Why would we be mad ,we are not the ones getting scammed 🤡

[@mitsuhh]

@@Steve21_harris what do you mean, you get scammed all the time when you buy nvidia’s overpriced cards

[@slipperyhitbox4460]

Facts, imagine all that talk about ps5 pro killer and no ps5 pro was killed, the pc version of every game showed here looked way worse, ppl are just mad at sony for no reason, oh no 700 bucks and rhey spend thousands on a pc.

[@jean-francoishebert943]

​@@slipperyhitbox4460one can Play All play station remastered game and the other can Play mostly All Play station game pc and xbox plus émulation of old console like N64 SNES Sega ect ...yeah play station pro is a good deal🤣

[@qweewwq7525]

@@mitsuhh I love it like fanboys of consoles who have not seen PC in their lives think that they have some knowledge. Unlike you, we have a choice, you do not need to buy NVIDIA cards to have better performance at a lower price than with your consoles XD

[@aegixxer1]

I think the biggest advantage to PC is the modularity. Especially when it's time to repair or upgrade. You're not exactly going to throw in some more/faster memory or swap out a CPU or GPU in the PS5 Pro to boost performance down the line when budget allows.

[@agus.lorenzo]

PS5 is way more repairable. Consoles are all the same and easy to repair for the exact parts at low price.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Consoles depreciate less and are easier to upgrade. Also none of the headaches with trying to match compatible parts or whether your new CPU will bottleneck your new GPU or anything of that sort.

[@aegixxer1]

@@agus.lorenzo way more repairable? Ever try to add ram to a PlayStation? Vrm failure? Replace the main board, cpu, and gpu. Gpu failure? Replace the main board, cpu, and gpu. Network connection failure? Replace the main board, cpu, and gpu. Upgrade ram? Nope, upgrade gpu? Nope. Upgrade CPU? Nope. Oh but you can add a specific ssd for increased storage…

[@aegixxer1]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 easier to upgrade because you replace the entire console? Ever try a cpu upgrade on a ps5?

[@JantjeVloet]

"Oh its my boss" Doesn't that feel weird to say as an owner?😂

[@glenmcl]

Wife?

[@charlesfreeze3997]

@@glenmcl No it clearly says Terron, not Yvonne.

[@selvacin]

A few things from me. 1. Which monitor are you using (and I'm assuming that it is the same monitor) 2. Are you utilizing windows 10, 11, or Linux (I'm assuming windows 10). I have personally found win 11 Auto HDR to work for colors sig better than win 10 HDR mode, but pales in comparison to what my PS5 can output in colordepth and clarity. I know that the test is primarily targeting FPS, Frame times, artifacts, ect, but colors effect how we observe the scene and can change how we perceive portions of a scene. 3. I would have loved to have seen an employee blind test of the three systems (pc, ps5, and ps5 pro) like what you did with the frame generation video. With just general gameplay activities promoted vs pausing and looking carefully for differences.

[@rel124c41a]

I think the PC parts, even though they are used parts, are unrealistically low priced in this build. Just making up numbers to reach a price point.

[@Dj-Mccullough]

No their not, I just built my own ps5pro killer with ebay used parts, 5800x cpu, 3080ti and 32gb ram, my system totaled 730 usd

[@rel124c41a]

@@Dj-Mccullough You didn't use the same parts and your build cost more then the $655 Linus is claiming. His low price claim of $535 is even more ridiculous.

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

So buying all used parts, at great prices…coming out to $655 “, self built, and still not being able to beat the Pro. Where are all the PC gamers talking shit about the price again? Just build your own! You can get a better deal! Better performance!

[@The_GenXennial]

The leap from the price of the 5 with disk to 5 pro and buying disk. It just doesn’t make sense to me. For the return. To each his own. I’ll keep PS5 for 4K blu ray and some titles. Then I have 5120x1440 on PC for everything else. Which is a lot…

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

@ it just all depends. The framerate and graphics boosts makes it worth it to me. Dragon’s Dogma being able to run at a near locked 60 fps and FF7 Rebirth being able to run the graphics mode at 60 fps are huge upgrades. Devs haven’t had the time to optimize yet either. Imagine what Wolverine is going to look like on the Pro. And if GTA 6 can run at near 60 fps compared to the base, again, this is worth it to me because I use my PS5 daily and will be using the Pro for the next 4 years until the PS6.

[@JoaoGoncalves-np6su]

"not able to beat the pro" sure is a funny statement

[@anarfox]

9:24 - FSR dissocclusion fizzel yet again kills the day. Unless AMD comes out with a DLSS equivalent, they're disqualified for a PS5 Pro killer. You have to go with something using DLSS or XeSS with XMX.

[@TooBokoo]

Even with the FSR shortcomings, a decent PC is still a PS5 Pro killer. The benefits of a PC outweigh anything a console has to offer, and it's not even close.

[@Masterrunescapeer]

That issue is that game specific. Still find it odd to test all ray tracing title games after saying would pick RTX if mattered. Most games ray tracing doesn't really add anything, there are only a handful of titles where it is better, so for most not worth it, but do agree can be for some that specifically only play those games for it (which I would assume is rare).

[@ArcticFox63]

@@TooBokoo How is the PC in the video a "PS5 Killer". You get similar performance, or worse in some games, for a similar price? If it were to "kill" the PS5 Pro it would have to be noticeably faster with way better graphical fidelity.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@TooBokoo The headaches of a PC also, unfortunately, outweigh those of a console.

[@qweewwq7525]

@@ArcticFox63 use game on PS5 pro who use cpu like BG3 and you get same crap performans like PS5

[@VioletViolent]

I'm somewhat happy to see LTT reference Digital Foundry a few times here, they definitely do great work

[@PawlysBartys]

6:38 why are they all shipping from Lithuania? Is there some sort of sale here that I'm missing?

[@Heavy_Chevy]

@@PawlysBartys what's funny is that i don't see any of these kind of listings here. Guess they saved the best for north America 😹

[@notJetplane]

Listen... I love my PC but sitting here and blurring the details with disingenuous prices and subjective details to try to beat hardware that we know is already sold at a loss is a ridiculous idea for content.

[@AntonioAleman-ob4py]

PC gamers always forget to add dualsense 🎮 and a capture card to their budget. People just want to turn on and play, not become software and hardware technicians. They spend more time configuring the PC so that the game runs well rather than playing it. Time is money

[@MrToastyYT]

You don't need a capture card or a dual sense controller, he already added a pretty good one since on PC you can use any controller you want

[@millenial_in_the_middle]

@@MrToastyYT But playing Death Stranding on my PC with a DualSense felt more... natural, i would say. But it was missing the rumble via BT (not if connected via USB).

[@blizyon30fps86]

why would they factor in things people don't need. I mean who plays on a controller in 2024

[@zarajoe1]

I use amd's adaptive sync and think it does a great job at eliminating tearing without sacrificing fps

[@Ohn3_SinN]

You just build "The NOT PS5 Pro Killer Gaming PC" You Guys just proofed, that your PC couldn't keep up with the PS5 Pro

[@Dr.Spatula]

My favorite argument for pc over console is "you can stream and edit video." 2 things i have never and will do after having a PC for nearly 30 years

[@agus.lorenzo]

Yeah, Console haters are delusional. And I’m a filmmaker and video editor, and most of us prefer Apple Mac Studio for video editing.

[@wishingW3L]

these prices are not real. A 2tb nvme even used is over a $100. A second hand 12400f is another $100 too. $30 for a black sn 850x? Bullsh.

[@pauldowling2160]

0:48 typo...should read 'BETTER PERFORMANCE' Great video.

[@ramavetos]

PlayStation 5 Pro is still a better choice 👌

[@qweewwq7525]

If you play games that do not use CPU as Lisus did it, another poor test XD

[@stuyboi888]

😮 the PSN has to be considered, a subscription fee that is 60 euro a year that can go up in price over the next 3-5 years, the lifetime of this machine so another 180 to 300 euro here

[@FrostThorn]

monitor, keyboards, mouse, mouse matts cost more than a psn subscription

[@recurveninja]

@@FrostThorn If you're going to be that pedantic, throw in a couch and TV on the console side.

[@amalayum]

@@FrostThorn A keyboard is what, $5 and a mouse $5 and a monitor can be had for like $100 for a 120hz these days. PSN is literal dogshite-tier.

[@user-mf7jy3on3z]

@@amalayum You can get a monitor even cheaper if you go the used route just like the pc in the vid, I see a 100hz monitor for £30 on ebay right now (and its an ips!)

[@Aman_Mondal]

I think people seem to have forgotten a Console can't do shit except play games and watch stuff on it. It's practically useless compared to PC which can almost everything. That alone makes a PC worth it

[@InnerFire6213]

"useless" lol. It does what it's supposed to do. Playing games and media. My phone can become my pc if i want it to. Does it make a pc useless?

[@sixst4r]

@@Aman_Mondal Really wish this had more likes. I tell this to everyone. Yeah a console might be more optimized for certain games but a computer is still a COMPUTER. An ENTIRE computer not just a box to play spider-man. The price to usability ratio is as always in the Pc’s favor. Not to mention you can always just… Upgrade the pc parts to be better than any console ever😃 Also Mods!?! Access to every game ever, EMULATION, EASY CONTROLLER INTEGRATION(literally can use anything to control anything) not having to PAY TO PLAY ONLINE?? And it’s STILL a device to art,business, content creation. Forgot to mention because PC’s are upgradeable you can buy one and never have to again. New console generation?? Doesn’t matter my pc was already 6 years ahead. 6 years pass?? Just upgrade the ram and gpu. The $700 for a whole new console could be used for nvidias latest gpu and it will last 10+ years. You’d be lying if you said it took MORE THAN 6 years to get $700 for a gpu. That’s why the price doesn’t mean much because pc’s are built to LAST. Not buy a new one every generation. They pay for themselves in the long run. Why get a console again?🤨

[@FurBurger151]

Dude my phone can do all that "stuff" my PC can do.

[@sixst4r]

@@FurBurger151 blender, minecraft shaders/mods , resolution, framerate, Triple A games. Music production, Daws, plugins. Your phone can’t run omnisphere AND Elden ring. Neither can your console. But a pc can

[@sixst4r]

@ I forgot to mention, your Phone can’t emulate a Ps3 and play WWE AllStars Max Settings. And if you have the WRONG CONSOLE get fucked bc the only way you’re playing it is buy buying the right one😃. Also again, gotta pay to play online. On pc I can play an old ps2 game with my homie in Canada. No subscription, any controller I want. With mods. On that same device at the same time streaming it on Twitch, then on that same device make a full length song with the highest industry standard plugins, on that SAME device use 3D modeling/High Grade animation software to make a music video. I can use inkscape or adobe illustrator to make mockups for my clothing brand and setting up a shop or website to sell those is always gonna be more optimized for pc. Your phone can do SOME things. Your console can do SOME things. A good pc can do EVERYTHING Keep in mind, games aren’t made on consoles, they’re made on computers…

[@hylixplayz9590]

Where can I find the deal outlined in the caption at 18:18?

[@alexanderharris7181]

It's amazing that a console has PC dudes going this crazy to try to compete with it.

[@FurBurger151]

It's actual quite wild.

[@jayr3053]

Yes. 😂

[@TokyoAkiHara]

This is coming from both sides...and mind you, I've spent over $7000 on my current PC rig--but there are some major points that are missing. First of all, peripherals. Well, at least the keyboard and mouse. A console comes included with one controller, so you need to match that. A keyboard and mouse won't magically appear after you finish building the PC. Granted, if you don't mind the lack of quality, you can probably get some free office grade stuff. Another point, though this one is kinda hard to parse, but audio. TV's come with speakers, but monitors generally don't. So even if you ignore the TV/monitor, you will need to consider an audio speaker or headphone if the cheapo monitor you have doesn't have built-in speakers. Lastly...this one, I'm kinda surprised it's been ignored in pretty much every video like this--and that's shipping costs. Buying from Ebay will most definitely cost you a couple more $ for shipping, per part. And if you live in Canada like LTT, then shipping was like $17 for that power supply. Even if you go pick the parts up, there are transit costs and loss of time. For example, in Japan, most stuff sold on second-hand sites (non-auction like Mercari), the sellers offer free shipping, unless it's really big. Though Yahoo Auction (equivalent to Ebay), most will charge shipping, which can range anywhere from 180yen to over 2000 yen, depending on the size of the package and where you live. Just food for thought.

[@Magusguile]

They included the controller, he mentioned the 8bitdo controller. Don't PS5 and modern PCs both do HDMI out? Won't that go to TVs and monitors? How would the audio options be any different? The shipping costs is a very fair point!

[@storkfletcher821]

True, and I'd add in another factor - appearance. That big PC chassi, while understated in its looks, is going to look bad in a living room for those that likes having a nice living space since it's so hard to hide. The PS5 Pro isn't what I'd call beautiful in terms of design but it's small enough to be able to be hidden in most TV furniture, and if one likes a clean look you get one with doors to hide the clutter.

[@TokyoAkiHara]

@@Magusguile You can't use a PC without a kb/m. Even if you include a controller, the PC is practically paperweight without a keyboard. You won't even be able to get past the BIOS on first install. So either exclude the controller and get a kb/m, or get both. Also, I think you kinda missed my point about the audio aspect. This one has too many variables. For example, most people will probably own a TV. But if someone has never had a PC, they probably won't have a spare monitor lying around. Though it could be a new graduate moving into an apartment, and they have neither. In this case, most people who get a computer for the first time will try get a PC monitor and not a TV as a monitor. Why? They'll be searching on the internet for recommendations, and they will be saying to get a monitor. And sure, you can get a cheapo $100 monitor these days (new), less if used, but most likely they won't have built-on speakers.

[@stevenostrowski6552]

@@storkfletcher821 Appearance is highly subjective. I wouldnt hide my Fractal North for my Media PC thats connected too my TV even if i could, because it fits greatly to the aesthetics of my room. The one in the video i would agree on though.

[@Magusguile]

@TokyoAkiHara That is a fair point about the kb/m, I was just pointing out that they did add the controller. My point about the audio is that they could just plug their PC into the TV that they were going to play their PS on. I would imagine if you were replacing your PS with a PC, that would be the case so the audio situation wouldn't change.

[@phatadam9994]

Look at linus trying to justify his second hand pc almost is as good as the pro. You never killed it dude and came know where near lol

[@recurveninja]

You can't compare texture "quality" when the two systems have entirely different HDR/color grading settings. If you can see pixels in one but not the other, sure, but when you're trying to judge sharpness for example, the one with the levels skewed darker is always going to look sharper.

[@morphineisgod]

Abdoloute BS comparison. Comparing a brand new system on performance / price to a PC eith USED parts... Wtf. I can get a PS4 Pro for $100. Can you build aPC for $100 that will beat it?

[@ArthArmani]

PS5 Pro wins any day, takes 20 secs to get into a game.. PC stupid Windows updates and so on.. Plus how are you going to play GTA 6 when it comes out? Two years later? by that time your pc gone to shit.

[@davidknightx]

I built a gaming PC to match my PS5/Series X. Now that the Pro is out, I'm selling my 6750 XT for a 7700XT to match it. The Internet says I don't need it, but I want the AV1 codec access for my VR videos.

[@otacon5648]

I’m soooo happy to see that 12400f being used. I picked one up brand new here in the UK for £95 brand new to put in my sons’ PC and in gaming, it’s less than 10% behind my 12900k, which cost £590. That i5 is the ultimate budget gaming chip.

[@admonster11]

the prices on UK ebay are twice or triple the amounts you paid.

[@monotheisticmortal5122]

Agreed. For a developed country PC parts are rather overpriced over here, notwithstanding VAT. The used market here is also quite horrendous, especially towards higher end.

[@ElmorQuistin]

In my country (Turkey) the price of the ps5 pro is 50.000 Turkish liras which equals = 1.456 usd. With that money you can buy a 32gb 7500f 4070ti super build. So it may be a better option in U.S but there is literally no reason to buy that in Turkey.

[@mrbob4104]

I think the problem in your country is import fees. Nations like that get less consoles so they (resellers) usually bump up the prices. But thats not Sony's fault. Pretty sure its the same thing with other products in your nation like Im sure an Iphone in your country is more expensive then what it usually costs

[@FibroFantastic]

I keep checking the KZbin quality thinking it's on 720. Was this filmed on a phone or something?

[@ethans4783]

I think it'd be useful to include shipping costs when considering used parts, if each is from a different seller that $7-15 time over time can add up. Especially when you can drive down the road to a GameStop/retail store to pick up a brand new console.