You don’t need a new PC - AtlasOS E-Waste PC refresh

[@Malazim]

That moment when their old system is 4-6 years newer than your PC.

[@frogdog3600]

You need a new pc.

[@priestesslucy]

​@@frogdog3600 depends on what they do with it

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@priestesslucy Read the comment. They need a new PC lol.

[@frenzyfixes5827]

@@ZackSNetwork we read the comment, if it satisfies their needs then do they really need to upgrade? Intel’s CPUs we’re stagnant for a while when AMD wasn’t competition. Meaning a lot of their old tech is still perfectly useable today. I’ve been using an Ivy Bridge i7 and I’m happy with it.

[@WohaoG]

That moment when their "Slow" CPU and RAM speed & amount is better than yours(8GB 2666Mhz Ram, 3.0Ghz CPU)

[@laml545]

That moment when you're thinking "nice let's see how they'll make very old and crap PCs work" and the setup they use is basically what your current PC is

[@zuberk8812]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@di57inct]

😂😂

[@pigeon_9161]

That gpu is quite a bit better than mine 😭

[@Obalanserad]

Better than mine. 😅

[@suchiman123]

Even worse if your current PC has a i5-4670K

[@styles234]

I love videos about old hardware. It gives scrapyard wars vibes and that tinkering with older hardware to put together an experience that wouldn’t be possible any other way (probably for a kid or someone just starting to dabble with PC gaming).

[@aared]

That was my exact thought when he suggested reselling the monitor and keyboard that came in the bundle

[@gasparzuker]

I have an i7-2600 PC and it works perfectly fine up to this days! SSD's do magic in old processors

[@9852323]

I think the computer in the video is basically a modern computer. People who watch videos and check email arent gonna tell the difference between an i9 and a 1st Gen i5 so it’s just a waste of money. Even gaming is possible on 2nd and 3rd Gen i7.

[@randomgamingin144p]

@@9852323 well i would be able to tell the difference with a 1st gen i5... but a 4th gen i7 is a different story, thats what im using on my main system and it gets 0% cpu doing most things in windows 11

[@ZajaxFilms]

Heads up - I had that same cpu and you can grab one of those $150 beelink mini PCs and get the same performance without the extra power draw

[@joshe2420]

@@9852323 I have a 3570 and an rx570 that I built up for like 100usd a few months ago, great for gaming as of now, just thinking of going to 16gb of ram since it's running cs2 on 90% ram

[@AJ-SIM-GAMING]

​@@9852323and I can confirm that, I got a core I7 2600k and is really good, not the best and newest performance, but still really good, and with my old 1060 3gb, 16 gb of ram and an ssd of 1 tb runs pretty well (also if you can, get an ssd with Dram, make things much better than the Dram-less ones on gaming) I play some simulators on it and holds up pretty well for the kind of pc it is

[@greanhare5270]

Scrapyard Wars was some of your most important content and I'm glad to see the repurposing and restoration aspect of those videos coming back. I hope to see more of it.

[@Plain--Jane]

right? i love getting to know about current hardware, but videos that are budget oriented are so especially relevant for so many people these days

[@bozleyangling]

@@Plain--Jane this.

[@98SE]

I used to love Scrapyard Wars, I wish LMG would do that again!

[@Dr.Spatula]

The content never left. You just stopped watching it. They've never stopped doing budget and used PCs

[@savagekiller99]

Any info on any future scrapyard wars content? I watched the old ones around 10 times each, they are amazing and the best content LTT has ever done

[@me2olive]

I'd suspect most of that "performance improvement" in Atlas comes from disabling Defender and Spectre/Meltdown mitigations, i.e. those aren't "fixable" in a future release if you still want those performance improvements. What I'd prefer is a way to disable all of those on the fly without a reboot, so you can game, then instantly switch back to a more secure system when you're done.

[@ozzyloaded]

This sounds perfect!

[@littlemac5942]

Yes well done ♥

[@kachinn07]

thats wrong i totally deleted windows defender from my system and after windows 10 update windows defender comeback, you can allways "repair" your windows and bring all the services back if you need those

[@happyskeg1]

Would have been nice if they actually got into the os, and what it does. Total waste of time

[@ElNeroDiablo]

​@@kachinn07 Disabled does not mean Deleted. AtlasOS can re-enable the Spectre/Meltdown mitigations with a command script as those mitigations aren't removed from the OS but rather not turned on by default.

[@fish_kingdom135]

Just wanted to say thank you all for everything you have helped me so much with my PC and helped me learn a lot on electronics

[@ljungan96]

I just realized my PC case is 11 years old. Bought my first case and started building my first PC in 2012. It was a Fractal Design Define R4. I was 16 years old and had my first summer job. Bought all my components with the first money I earned myself. I think it was an GTX 660. But hard to remember. To this day I still have the same case and just replaced the PC's components. Now it's 13700K with an 4070 TI but still the same case. Idk if that is weird to have the same case for that many years.

[@nocturn9x]

Not weird at all. Cases just tend to last, like PSUs

[@aironwhite6533]

Cases are just the frame to put parts in. You always invest in a great case that would be able to handle all the parts and certainly hard drives you may install including gps and extra fans.

[@GamerBryce]

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it bub

[@jancovanderwesthuizen8070]

I just helped a family member revive a PC from 2004. Basically all internals are new but the case still screams early 2000s. It was actually pretty decent to build in

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

My PC is about 12 years old. The only thing I have replaced since I built the computer is the hard drive. I put in an SSD. The computer works fine for me. I can cruise the internet, watch videos, work on genealogy, do word processing, digitize analog audio sources and clean them up, download files, and do a lot of these things simultaneously. I have had dozens of browser windows open at the same time. I have 8GB of RAM, but I have to work really hard to gag it. It's in a huge Cooler Master case with room to add a lot more drives inside, but I've had bad experiences in the past. About 20 years ago, I had a computer stuffed with hard drives, and it sounded like an airplane taking off when I turned on the power. I got tired of the noise and went with external hard drives that could sit further away from me. I now have a JBOD with 8 drives in it, each being 14TB. I have a lot of files, everything I've ever worked on or downloaded since 1989. I haven't lost a single file and never had a trojan or virus because of my safe computing habits. As far as old cases go, I still have my computers from 1992 and 1995, and one or two later ones that aren't dated.

[@nonotanymore]

Good videos about cheaper options are always so welcome, most ppl vicariously live through your higher end videos but having these real guides to competent low end builds are so valuable to your viewerbase

[@kunj5802]

​@@TippyHippyWhy???😢

[@just_HAZEN]

​@Kunj don't feed the trolls

[@nonotanymore]

@@TippyHippy awwwwwwwwwe thats so sweet

[@kunj5802]

@@just_HAZEN Ok 👍,Got it.

[@planarian1772]

it's crazy, back in 2017-2018 all I've had to worry about was how to upgrade my gaming PC to the next level with the money I had... Now, things have changed. I have the money but priorities change. Thanks for being there all the way Linus.

[@ClLouID]

I appreciate these more "grounded" videos that appeal to most of us watching. The experiments are fun but it's awesome to see you produce stuff that's relatable to systems that a bunch of people might still be using

[@simdaydreamer5239]

Not sure it's "grounded". Person calls relatively new machine "e-waste" while updating most of hardware. I'm not even talking about using that software "debloater" which also makes security updated non-functional. I can use win7 on my old machine with similar success.

[@Flipchu]

@@simdaydreamer5239 I mean, they did say MORE "grounded", not completely.

[@realJimMarshall]

I tend to watch these "more grounded" videos than the tech news videos. I tend to find them more enjoyable.

[@angelcarrillo980]

I still have my lil' XP laptop as a smile factory, even if it is practically lagging on wordpad at this point.

[@user-jo6ip2qc7i]

Yeah dude. I admit that Im really tired of vídeos for rich people. Most of us are broke af

[@joeblische6087]

That is my favorite PC activity rebuilding old but still very usable PCs. I don't game or do much editing but love to build and upgrade with spare part. thank yo for all the great video's.

[@xyueta]

Hey! Atlas Dev here, we are appreciated to be noticed on LTT! Most of the issues were fixed in the latest release that has just been released.

[@nonumfrancis3109]

Have never heard of you until now, will definitely be be checking y'all out!

[@JohnPaulBuce]

great

[@codyssmith73]

Hey there. Is it possible to dualboot AtlasOS onto a MacBook Pro? JW.

[@bwimtg]

AND it's open source?? i love you guys! i am looking forward to trying out atlas! can i ask you why the spectre/meltdown patches are disabled in it?

[@augustoalvarez6766]

It's a bot, guys. There is like a 1000 comments like this already.

[@tyrannicpuppy]

Gotta say, that recylced plastic laptop looks nicer to me than the piano black of the old tower. Not everything needs to be super shiny or made of machined metals. I really like the tiny chips of colour in amidst the grey. I would love to see more of that in the tech space.

[@RunedGolem1]

For laptops I prefer metal cases just because they’re generally stronger and more resilient than plastic one in my experience.

[@SecretSauceyjuice]

​@@RunedGolem1it's true that plastic tends to be brittle and fail in thin unsupported areas or hard impacts while most metals tend to bend and distort significantly more before failing completely. However, with the right formulation plastics *can* be fairly resilient and will tend to spring back to their original shape better than metal as long as the force isn't enough to pass into that shatter zone. I do agree that metal is superior, but plastic isn't a deal breaker if done correctly.

[@shadowsandfire]

Would love to see more of it in every space!

[@masutafuyu]

Did anyone notice the backwards R?

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

@@RunedGolem1 plastic laptop can be durable if it's thick enough, look at old ibm keyboards, they are sturdier than modern aluminum laptops

[@barbiefan3874]

Be aware that Atlas OS is disabling UAC, ALL software will be running with Admin privileges. Also they disable MS Defender. Atlas OS is a security nightmare in hands of a user who doesn't know what they are doing.

[@gharren]

While it might be true (and I agree that disabling UAC by default is a bad move in any case), I don't think Atlas OS is really targeted towards casual users.

[@antikommunistischaktion]

​@@gharren Guess who the primary users are likely to be? Casual users who can't afford to upgrade their PC. This entire video needs to be redone with the AtlasOS part replaced with Linux.

[@gharren]

@@antikommunistischaktion Can't afford to upgrade = casual?

[@antikommunistischaktion]

@@gharren Yes, because a casual is likely going to have money dedicated elsewhere. You don't upgrade your PC to keep with current hardware trends as a casual, you stick with older and/or budget hardware, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@silverlinegaming3933]

@@antikommunistischaktionso for like my Dell optiplex I should just stick with windows 10 even though the dang thing uses like 2 to 4gb of my 16gb of ram leaving me with only 12gb to work with? Cause I have been thinking of upgrading to a more modern intel setup for 500$ with the 10th to 12th gens.

[@BlueXonar]

As a retro hardware enthusiast, I am SUPER interested to hear more about AtlasOS. I'm sure you are planning a deep dive on it before too long, I can't wait!

[@kllause6681]

from what other comments are saying, LTT apparently only did a VERY surface level run-down and didnt even touch on how dangerous this OS can be to use because of all the features it removes (one thing being UAC, which means any program you have is automatically run as administrator, which is veryyyy bad) the OS in it's current state is practically a breeding ground for malware. In fact some have stated that its just as dangerous to use as something like windows XP... so uhh yeah... dont download it unless u know exactly what ur doing lol. and even then this can still be super dangerous to use.

[@RafaMazurekRMZ]

@@kllause6681 do you think that running it as only game machine with steam and battle net as only apps should be fine? I do proves internet on other hardware

[@meetoo594]

@@kllause6681For a non networked emulation box or the like its fine but yeah, going anywhere near the internet on AtlasOS is just asking for trouble.

[@Pancajayna]

@@kllause6681 windows XP was dangerous? AHAHAHA

[@Manhackarcadeisfun]

@@Pancajayna No its dangerous now.

[@StopThePCAP]

Regarding AtlasOS, be very careful when meddling with this. If you really intend on using it, do not use it for browsing, illegitimate unknown downloads / installers. Their statement "security updates aren't removed, there's just currently no way to "get new ones" as for mitigations, you are prompted to enable or disable them in AME Wizard and you can disable or enable them while in atlas". There are constantly new critical Windows vulnerabilities getting discovered, these are then actively used in the wild. Your AtlasOS will from the start be at a major risk. Same with the disabling of security services such as Defender by default, you'll want some safeguard anyway. So that load will come back to bite you. @Linus - Please be careful in endorsing them without making these caveats even more clear than a slide containing a few of them. As they'll use you for marketing, and non-security minded people can get in trouble because of it.

[@Pushpa32150]

If you don't visit sketchy sites then you ain't getting no virus

[@ezikhoyo]

I too wrote a comment about the security converns I have. I am honestly very disappointed that LTT, the company that seemingly gives so much about their viewers, advises to using software that essentially leaves you completely exposed with an OS that has critical security flaws. Just the fact that they removed Windows Defender in it's entirety is a HUGE red flag. I expected A LOT more from LTT as a company and from Linus personally. Not sure whether he isn't informing himself on the stuff that he in the end recommends or some new rookie wrote the script, without checking the actual implications of what Atlas does but this is not what I know LTT for.

[@AbdulMoiz-km9oh]

Agreed

[@altamashkhanattish5782]

I think all of these comments where they write AtlasOS at the start are bots. Probably this is Microsoft using AI to discourage people from using this?

[@FaZekiller-qe3uf]

They disabled UAC and run everything as administrator.

[@ghosttheoremproductions5469]

As the local SI, I regularly build systems like this to offer an ultra-budget option for people. I make hardly more than a few dollars but I've had many customers come back 6mo to a year later to buy a proper system from me. For a lot of people, a system like this is plenty for their needs until they are ready to invest more heavily. It's also nice for someone considering switching to PC gaming from consoles as the investment is very low.

[@victorkreig6089]

This practice also keeps a lot of older tech alive that would otherwise have already been destroyed We didn't know how good we had it in the 90's and a lot of amazing stuff just ended up being destroyed because we decided not to repurpose it or keep using it in other capacities; it's all gone now. Never know how much we might get screwed over by newer hardware and software so it's good to keep this stuff truckin

[@swiiishgin1515]

these type of builds got me into "flipping" pcs. like you, I dont make much, but I enjoy the process and getting more people into pc gaming

[@VulpineDemon]

I'd love a full declutter video for people that do want to use Windows, without the bloat. I'm fairly techy but miss a lot of really small things because Windows buries it in small submenus.

[@c0mplex564]

And have Anthony host the episode

[@SuperTort0ise]

What you don't like opening 20 menus from windows XP all the way to 11???

[@ytateir6882]

Was looking for something like this, and maybe even better than a video, some form of written guide/checklist of stuff that can be removed. Don't want to go to the step of AtlasOS, but surely you should be able to achieve some of the performance gains with some "manual" labour

[@realemmyrossum]

They just showed you atlas OS

[@jiminysnicket86]

Search functionality is your friend

[@unknown-x-1777]

I was dealing with that issue for a year, I did cmd nfs /scan Also did start up repair and finally I was able to properly shut down and I didn't have problems booting up and loading windows. Before that I was also dealing with the computer turning on in the middle of the night.

[@FaZekiller-qe3uf]

AtlasOS disables UAC and runs all programs as Administrator. It also disables vulnerability mitigations as briefly shown on screen. You’d think they’d care at all about security after being hacked.

[@octoberfiregaming]

Absolutely this. Disabling security features like this is a Big Risk(tm). I suppose, if it was never connected to the Internet, it'd be fine, but otherwise ... nope.

[@GonePh1shing]

Not to mention they disabled windows defender, all malware removal tools, and all security updates. Anyone installing this OS on an internet connected machine is just begging to be hacked...

[@CSVCjustin]

@@ethanwasme4307 Lol what??? Are you time traveling here from 2006? They have 50% market share and use the same signature databases as "premium" AV software. Other AV try to convince you to pay for something you can get for free by adding bloatware like ad blockers and browser addons to track you and keep you safe. I only recommend paid solutions to completely computer illiterate people who either need to have those extra hoops to jump through before they ruin something or if they just want peace of mind because they don't understand the concept of antivirus being free.

[@Gabriel_Micah]

@@ethanwasme4307 ???

[@PRO_OF_MC]

@@CSVCjustin best antivirus is common sense

[@amarioguy]

As someone who actively reverse engineers Windows on a frequent basis: Do not use AtlasOS if you care about security and reliability. It breaks core parts of Windows (the component store being the most egregious one, that's very difficult to repair) and disables security measures that contrary to what people might spread, are actually pretty good ideas to have. Also, not having updates is a pretty big L right there as much as people rail against Windows Updates. more pertinent though is that breaking the component store also breaks other parts of windows in very subtle ways that can't be repaired w/o a reinstall. Edit: i looked at it some more. It's so. so. so. so. much worse than what i thought. like removing absolutely very critical, "things you use everyday" components bad. Removing things like the kernel debugger, memory diagnostic tester, RDP, Windows Hello. Disabling things like DMA remapping (which has seriously improved security in many many situations) and breaking critical components by removing critical registry keys. It's bad. Very much so. Edit 2: A friend and I checked again to see if there was anything I missed, and oh dear god I didn't think it could get worse. Reports of people's EFI system partitions being busted and bitlocker prompting recovery upon install (with no warning to suspend it by the installer despite it making these breaking changes!!) (Source: github.com/Atlas-OS/Atlas/issues/731) with devices that have BitLocker on (this is more devices than you think! The "device encryption" in Settings is BitLocker in the background). Reports of TPMs being wiped (or more likely TPM measurements invalidated by either BCD or system changes, specifically PCR7 which Windows seals the decryption key to). The fact installing this mod is enough to even potentially cause this kind of stuff which is not only scary as hell, but can *genuinely* lead to data *loss* if the person doesn't have a recovery key on hand or never backed it up or doesn't know it exists. All because the program does not mandate that bitlocker be temporarily disabled before it makes its changes. The potential corruption of the EFI system partition is bad by itself too. Not to mention it changes the boot configuration to disable the hypervisor and sets load options (one of which is no longer respected due to it's setting being in registry/system integrity policy nowadays) to disable isolated LSASS (meaning user secrets can now be read from normal kernel mode instead of being siloed safely) and virtualization based security, all of which can potentially invalidate the sealed bitlocker key, forcing recovery. Edit 3: found a list of things that will invalidate Windows's seal on PCR7 - learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/bitlocker/bitlocker-recovery-guide-plan (Section: What causes BitLocker recovery?) My take on this mod: do not use it, do not think about using it. Stay far far away from it. It's disappointing to see this being promoted as widely as it is.

[@Verindae]

Like i said in my own post, it also disables UAC and runs everything with Admin privilege by default. It's about as compromised as a functional OS can get and should never be anywhere near an active internet connection. The fact this is just glossed over is really concerning.

[@thecatontheceiling]

ReviOS aims at compatibility and is designed to avoid as many issues like these as possible, you seem to be very knowledgeable and I want to know your opinion about them too

[@BrodieRobertson]

All of that is baby stuff when you consider UAC is disabled out the box

[@philipmrch8326]

@@BrodieRobertson Hey! Look who it is.

[@cristivpopescu]

@@BrodieRobertson explain to me why you need UAC if you are a discerning user who doesn't run any programs without vetting them first. I hate UAC, the first thing i do when installing windows, disable UAC. It's pointless, and anyone non-discerning automatically clicks yes anyway

[@zacharypoorman1067]

I don't usually comment, but having materials focused on upcycling and lower spec machines is really nice and I know others feel the same. Thanks LMG!

[@LasiruMaheerathna]

I had this processor in my previous PC (which died due to a static issue ruining the motherboard). It was an absolute workhorse. I covered close to 200 times more than it costed to build that PC with the work I did in it, unfortunately It didn't have enough power to edit RED Raw on the fly without using proxies. It stayed with me for 5 years until in late 2021 I upgraded to a 12 gen.

[@Jachym_77]

Ive been waiting so long for you guys to look at custom ISOs because they can be a real gamechanger. I personally use ReviOs on my old laptop and experience up to 40% fps gains in Games. Thank you for showing off these opertunities to squeeze the most fps out of older systems for a wider range of people.

[@peterliu9135]

Would be really nice if you guys can do a deep dive into atlusOS with testings, bechmarks for games, common software, and productivity stuff (3D softwares, Adobe suite) etc

[@SilverWolfPL]

^^

[@Jenkem254]

AtlasOS is not that good if you're not using it only for gaming. It just breaks too much by disabling and removing core components. I tried several of these slimmed down windows versions and settled for ReviOS since it gets rid of any bloat but the most important thing is that I havent run into any compatibility issues like on AtlasOS for example. Also you can simply enable windows updates through their included manager if thats what you like.

[@wiking793]

If you really need a private and bloatware free system then imo you're better off with some windows-like Linux like Linux Mint or Zorin. Security wise it is way better than modified Windows

[@tiggybits]

​@@wiking793 Except when something breaks instantly and you need to spend 3 hours googling how to fix something only to be told "Go to the terminal and type..." We have no idea what it's doing. I want to like Linux and replace Windows but it's just not there yet.

[@wiking793]

@@tiggybits unless you are using something aimed to more experienced Linux users like Arch or Gentoo you should have no issues like that. I have set up many computers with both Linux Mint and Windows 10. Honestly the second one is way more time consuming and annoying to set up. When it comes to technical problems I don't recall those problems with Linux Mint. Also when it comes to terminal I think you should change your approach. I also used to think it is more userfriendly to click everything out. And surprisingly you can acrually do things that way in linux too however actually terminal is better - instead of clicking who the hell knows how many things in how many places (cause windows settings all are over the place) you just copy paste two commands to terminal

[@amrazh]

Gotta say, I like this kind of content. Nothing is more painful to me than getting rid of old hardware knowing it's destiny is the landfill - which is why I have a small collection of my old PC's and laptops running lightweight OS's for a few different uses around the house. Good stuff LTT.

[@Slane583]

I still have my old i5 3350P and ASRock Z75 board stored away in a tote. The cpu, board and ram are all perfectly useable they're just not up to snuff for a lot of modern stuff. I hate throwing away computer parts as well especially if they have sentimental value attached to them. The oldest motherboard I own is my old Socket-A MSI gaming board that housed my AMD Athlon XP 2400+. Back when Nvidia still made chipsets for motherboards. :)

[@trx3264]

I just built my first nas with an old PC. Works great!

[@GeovaneDias7]

2018 I build my pc(i7-8700k+1080ti) with tips from you LTT videos, been running every single game until now with absolutely no problem. Unfortunately I wont be able to upgraded it but now I really know what to do when my system start to stutter on the future. Ty from the heart guys for videos like these.

[@CasualGameDev]

This video makes me miss Scrapyard wars, but I understand how hard it can be to make those videos. It would be great if you guys kept doing these kind of budget/refurbishing videos

[@CasualGameDev]

Also I can confirm on these older CPUs, that reducing the background applications significantly reduces stutter in certain titles. I have the i5-6500, and it was basically unusable for CSGO and Fortnite. I got a beta bios, overclocked to 4.2GHz, and then reinstalled windows, making sure to remove clutter and disable windows defender(only recommended for experienced users). This brought ALOT more life into my CPU. Maybe you guys could make a video about overclocking non-k skylake if you haven't already?

[@markodriscoll3660]

Scrapyard wars was super cool....I had a bunch of old pcs that I got from my job at the time and that series had me coming up with all sorts of fun experiments to do with them....even managed to blow a couple of old dell 6600 optimums up. Bring back scrap yard wars....and Anthony should be on every episode. Love you Anthony! =) Also the 6600 optimums can take an obscene amount of abuse....value for money right there

[@CasualGameDev]

@@markodriscoll3660 Anthony on SYW would be epic, was he in any of the previous ones? I don't remember

[@killer147896325]

Or the secret shopper/ tech support calls again

[@Big007Boss]

Scrapyard wars should comeback with the new staff, with Linus and Luke as judges only

[@tim_means_heart]

Securitywise, I'm not sure I'd jump on AtlasOS yet but that sounds great. I'm still on an i7 4790k paired with a r9 290 and while I will probably update soon because it will make editing 4k much easier (Resolve Studio helps a lot too for older hardware), my pc can probably still last a couple more years without struggling too much. Those kind of configs are snappy enough for anything you'd already be doing before 2020.

[@mryelaer4378]

You are editing 4k videos with an i7 4790k?!?

[@nfutckr2292]

"I see, a man of i7 4790k user as well"

[@arthursavino7950]

I'm on a xeon e3-1271v3 which is equivalent and with a gtx 1060 and it works perfectly for my 1080p gaming needs

[@qgame4941]

I upgraded from 4790k + 1050ti (former 980 broke) to r9 5900x + 3080 a few months back and the difference in responsiveness and for streaming is extreme. Honestly purely for gaming i wouldbt have bought the new machine, but for everything else it was really cool

[@theBabyDead]

@@qgame4941 lol I went from 4790K with a 1080 to a 5900X with 3080 as well. Differences are insane, especially on 165hz QHD. On 60hz 1080p it was still doing ok though.

[@ScullyMD-jt1bn]

My PC is circa 2011 most of the components. My motherboard is from 16. So it even has m.2 support and I'm using an fx-8350. And my PC is still working great. When I build a new one, this one will end up being a media PC.

[@Lizlodude]

Hearing Linus call a system from the generation of my current one super obsolete is a bit rough XD Nice contributions from both Acer and AtlasOS. To Acer's credit, I just recently tossed an old SSD and a new install in an old Acer laptop for a family member, and the process of finding the drivers and info was remarkably unremarkable, which given how terrible it usually is, is a nice bonus. I'd love to see some third party security audits of projects like AtlasOS as well, as that would give some additional confidence in the safety of it.

[@LabGecko]

Seconding the security audits. If nothing else, it would give users some ideas of what to lock down / watch for.

[@lewismassie]

My computer is a generation older than this one :/

[@iTooob]

Bruh, mine's from 2014

[@sqeaky8190]

Old can be fine, depending on what you do. This had a 5th gen i5 in it right? I have gotten I think 4 new computers for myself (not counting servers and work issued things), but I do a fair amount of work from mine. I am doing stuff like software builds and running VMs that take gobs of memory, but that isn't most people, right? There are tons of taks and old PC or even a chromebook an do just fine at.

[@shirt9913]

Y’all broke as hell wtf 😭😭 the pc was literally $100

[@Savitarax]

Software/OS optimizations are honestly one of the most important things you can do. I’ve searched for hours on the best settings and it can make or break a game honestly.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And at the same time something people do less. Just look at all these electron apps for example.

[@kernelpickle]

I guarantee that the Spectre and Meltdown mitigations being disabled is the greatest contributing factor to that feeling snappier than with just the upgraded RAM and SSD, because they’ve had to add more of those over time and the older the CPU, the less secure the microcode and architectures were and the more software mitigations were needed. I would’ve liked to see a CPU benchmark to see how much performance was gained, because it’s easily in the 20-30% range, if not higher. Again, they’ve found more bugs and added to those more and more over time, so unless you have the latest CPUs on the market, you’re guaranteed to have slightly less performance from those security fixes. As a silly, who cares if it’s compromised system because it’s just for games-it’s fine. I just wouldn’t use it to do anything like log into important websites or hold financial information on it.

[@404Anymouse]

The antivirus is a huge contribution as well. It disables Windows Defender so unless you want to rawdog it without any protection at all, you'll lose more responsiveness by using third party antivirus than you would have by not disabling Defender in the first place.

[@thewholeroll]

I just came to say this. The spectre and meltdown mitigations can really affect the responsiveness of systems with old CPUs

[@Breakfast_of_Champions]

Gibson InSpectre can turn these mitigations off, it's really nice on older hardware.

[@ghohenzollern]

Until I saw they turned these mitigations off, I thought this OS might be a real option for me or maybe anyone, but without these mitigations in place are there any actual use cases for this OS that are even remotely safe? If my old machine is currently running Windows 7, would this even be as secure as that is? Are we even reasonably sure the team/person behind this OS isn't just hoping to add more machines to their secret botnet?

[@Electric_Doodie]

@@ghohenzollern not really, No. It's basically a "Haha Low Process / RAM Usage goes brrrr" kind of thing, for the kids out there that have no clue (or a system would need to be so old that it doesn't even matter anymore anyways). It has so much security disabled and other things, that it's basically just a "Show Off" it feels like. Even worse, that Linus is promoting it kind of now, especially after getting hacked not so long ago himself, kinda ironic lol And the worst, you can't even be sure how the Atlas OS gets handled by Anti-Cheat Games (Riot Games, etc). Maybe you get a (Shadow-)Ban the moment you log into it with it, maybe not.

[@lalsur8589]

Using an older cpu qx9650, with a 1060, windows 7 with an ssd. Works perfectly fine for all tasks. Its actually faster than when i first built it.Have also streamed games (at 1080) to my tv with no issue. Have also used atlas, and it makes older hardware useable. Windows 10 just slows down any pc. You will definitely need an ssd upgrade. I tried ubuntu, but there is a learning curve and troubleshooting can become an issue. It is definitely an interesting os and something that is worth exploring if u have the time. I've upgraded friends and family's laptops and pc with an ssd upgrade, and thats it. This has made all the difference. Not changed the ram or psu, or upgraded the gpu.

[@DerSeegler]

Good video, but I would have liked a closer look at what is removed. Especially the security related things, like Defender and other Mitigations. For an offline machine, great. For an online machine, it could be risky.

[@DragoniteSpam]

Yeah, I thought that part sounded questionable when I first heard it, and then I looked closer... don't do this. Some of the things it disables are pretty benign, but things like UAC and Defender? Do we _want_ to go back to XP-era security?

[@cavedweller333]

​@@DragoniteSpam yeah, I'd say the tradeoffs aren't worth it unless the machines running 100% offline

[@DragoniteSpam]

@@cavedweller333 Yeah, and there certainly can be a use for that, but it's by no means a one-size-fits-all solution. It's a shame because I thought this was one of his better videos aside from that one major oversight :p

[@EricCorsi]

I agree. Did not like what was disabled esp from a security standpoint.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

Only if you fail to practice safe computing. I don't use any antivirus software, and I haven't had a single virus or trojan since my first PC in 1989. Don't go to sketchy web sites, don't have preview on in email, and don't double-click on attachments. Download the attachments and try opening them with appropriate software. If they don't open, delete them. It really works.

[@JSterling812]

Recycling stuff is amazing. I've always tried my best to reuse old hardware to reduce waste. Still do, have a couple of older components in my PC and currently building a backup PC using entirely old hardware that I used to use.

[@stefanejegod8644]

Also, plastic fabrics will break down over time when you've re-used it like 5-6 times. So in the end you'll actually end up NOT being able to reuse it for some usecases. Like, reusing the plastic from a flexible chair might not be able to be flexible, because the fibres are somewhat less forgiving. So you either just re-use it for something rigid like a small kids garden shovel or something, that's basicly just a piece of hard plastic. This is also the reason why they "only" make like 30-50% reused plastic items, you need some sort of "virgin" (Yeah that's what it's called) material in there to support the binding of all the different fibres. The part about making a random green-whatever item is great though. So far the industry have been quite against reusing EVERY color of plastic, which is why you see a lot of clear plastic bottles which is made us A LOT of virgin material. Because the end users wouldn't want a random-colored bottle because it looks "dirty" but if we could change eachothers mind, we could actually reuse a lot more plastic bottles than we do today. -The more clear the plastics are, the more expensive it is to produce, and the less of material is re-used.

[@mrmaniac3]

I also don't see why the new product needs to be made from plastic. The chassis should be aluminum, or something like that that's 100% recyclable. Reduce, reuse, recycle. Making new consumer electronics hardware out of metal reduces the amount of plastics needed for production. Reusable and disposable bottles similarly can easily be made of metals. There are some Japanese beverage companies that make aluminum bottles.

[@IWillSmurfYou]

​@mrmaniac3 yes!! Life was fine before microplastics poisoned our global soil, foodchain, and water supply...

[@Skypso]

@@mrmaniac3the idea is more to take the plastics that have been used and get them out of the landfill and from the earth, not so much to just get away with using more, cleaning up landfills and the earth is better then just letting it sit

[@Sabrintwitt3r]

This reminds me, one time I have seen one local glass maker (I'm sure it's not exclusive to them) has launched a line of cups made from recycled glass. You know that they seperate clear glass from green tinted glass? I guess they didn't do that and the end result of light green tinted glass looks so cool. Not every recycled good has to look bad.

[@prettylitch1785]

aluminium has a very high melting point and uses a lot of fossil fuels. Much more than plastic @@mrmaniac3

[@TheMarc477]

That laptop looks actually looks beautiful!

[@ChimpRiot]

AtlasOS ended up being the more interesting section. That’s the minimal Windows experience I want.

[@bruce-le-smith]

yeah the windows bloat is so bad, really glad some smart folks are giving us an easy button to drop the unnecessary bells and whistles!

[@AniviaS]

It sounds interesting but lack of windows defender is a deal breaker for me. I don't want to use 3rd party anti-virus

[@arcadebit1551]

Yeah havent tried it yet, usually I do this stuff manually via Autoruns and probally will continue until atlas let me keep windows defender and spectre protection (at least as an option). What I really would hope for are different Windows distros like linux have.

[@JoshuaCasey]

@@AniviaS agreed. Windows Defender is the only antivirus I have installed (because it's just that good). (Although I also have malwarebytes installed...though the incessant sale promotion popups in the corner because I'm on the free version is kinda annoying).

[@JoshuaCasey]

@@arcadebit1551 i definitely think I'll keep an eye on atlasos

[@lucasbiaggini]

I have been using Linux as my daily driver, no dual-boot for more than a decade now. I still think it's great for people to have more options to use older machines.

[@jimbo-dev]

Thank you for wording my thoughts more constructively 😁 Especially after the recent comments about Linus refusing to use/learn Linux it has become hard to understand all this effort to make windows suck less. I still wish they would make content about properly beginning to use linux, bit tutorial-ish way where someone would guide them through the differences since that’s the way people learn other operating systems too

[@SA1G0N_]

Definitely! Even gaming has improved astronomically in Linux!

[@diegoleiva7242]

I'm using Chrome Flex on a very old laptop (A8-6410 with 8 GB of RAM and an SSD) and it's fantastic, I also used Mint XFCE but my lack of experience with Linux made me useless at solving basic issues. It saved my laptop from being landfill and I keep it by my bedside for emails, news and whatnot.

[@sigmamale4147]

@@jimbo-dev gaming support is still eh on linux, especially game mods and online anticheat games

[@fitybux4664]

Try to do something like Python programming in Windows. "Oh wait, the package maintainer did something that doesn't work in Windows. And not being able to install that package means the thing I'm trying won't work. I guess I could use hacky WSL or a VM. 🤷‍♂" Basically, Windows is for when you're using your computer as a toy. If you develop in Windows, you are a second class citizen most of the time. 😀 (If you game, it's quite the opposite.)

[@LikelyLagging]

To reiterate the comments before me. MORE BUDGET VIDEOS LIKE THIS WOULD BE AWESOME. Like a mid tier, low tier, budget, and super budget build video(s) would be H U G E.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

I agree, this rig I got is the only thing I'll likely ever have. This thing goes, I won't be able to get a new one. So if I can stretch it out for as long as possible, I will.

[@Derpynewb]

They've done that in the past and they didn't get good results. My guess is psychologically a video about un obtainable hardware has more replay value than a budget build vid you'd use once. Shoe Horning budget builds wherever you can on the side seems like a good compromise imo

[@NyangisKhan]

The thing is that AAA games have degraded to such a point that I've seen more gameplay innovations in AA and indie games in the past 2 years than almost every AAA games combined. The only games that could actually compete with good indie games were Elden Ring and GOW. Hogwarts legacy felt like a bootleg version of Fable the lost chapters or kingdoms of Amalur. The RE remake games all have 2 decade old mechanics that we've played like a 100 times over. And the graphics aren't that good either, they're worse than "The vanishing of Ethan Carter" which was released a decade ago. And that game used to run on a GTX650ti at 60FPS without any problems. Almost all AAA games feel half assed. My biggest regret in the past 2 years is my purchase of a new GPU because I'm not utilizing it at all cuz indie games aren't that demanding. Could've stuck to my GTX970 and I still wouldn't have missed much.

[@HearMeLearn]

there are entire channels dedicated to giving broke gamers options for pcs, or you could always just buy a used console.

[@bjarne431]

Agree, I generally never buy the latest and greatest. Way to expensive and way beyond what I actually need. Right now I use i5-7600 with a single 8gb ddr4 stick and gtx 1060 6GB: 200+ fps in CS:GO is way more than enough on my 60 hz monitor lol

[@jendo6354]

Linus: "Old pc" Me: "basically my everyday pc"

[@mareksb]

I wish you explained more what Atlas OS changes and did before/after performance benchmarks

[@shipwreck9146]

Agreed, but tbh, removing Windows Defender kills this for me. There's no way I'll be switching to a 3rd party antivirus.

[@jono6379]

It only took 17minutes to get to the point 😂

[@Sheltur_0311]

@@shipwreck9146 it removes defender because defender uses a ton of memory and cpu, something alot of people complain about

[@psychosis1767]

@@Sheltur_0311 It's still good to have it as an option as a bit of an idiot proofing. It toggled me off from it as well since even though I am tech savvy and know all forms of social engineering and ways to cause havok on PCs, I'm still not safe from myself fucking up.

[@shipwreck9146]

@@psychosis1767 Exactly, and even with all that tech knowledge, I'm often not sober while using my computer, and Windows Defender is like my designated driver.

[@joshuapettus6973]

Atlas OS seems like it has way to many security compromises as oppose to just going with fedora or some other mainstream Linux OS that will still give you that snappiness boost. Especially if you choose a lightweight desktop variant. XFCE is still my desktop of choice for older hardware, though Mate is extremely usable too.

[@xr.spedtech]

FluxBox is lighter tho...

[@HeroRareheart]

If your system is from the era that Linus is showing off Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop environment will do excellently. It operates incredibly similarly to Windows and has plenty of quality-of-life improvements over other Linux distributions. It's an excelent choice for someone who wants an easy to use system out of the box who's coming from Windows.

[@Wylie288]

But nothing actually runs on a linux os. Security means nothing if im holding a fucking brick.

[@dwirandypradhika6752]

@@Wylie288 post rock guy lives under a rock. sure... the steam deck can run nothing, it's basically a brick...

[@antikommunistischaktion]

​@@Wylie288 I literally just NG+'d Borderlands 3 on my Arch PC, it runs better on Arch than it does on Windows on my hardware. Maybe, just Maybe, AtlasOS would do better (doubtful as turning spectre/meltdown mitigations off as AtlasOS does actually hurts performance on newer CPUs) but I'd rather not have my PC turn into a red light district for malware.

[@a.f.7404]

Been a PC gamer for my whole life. Then came the kid...and the bills...and the stress. I can finally say that after almost 6 years I could finally(kind of) afford a Ryzen 5 2600 paired with an RTX 2060. Damn I feel young again and like I found something that I lost when I sold my PC back in the day, a fucking part of me...of who I am.

[@coryjones3855]

Happy you found your self again 😊

[@Sumi_S]

Don’t have kids Got it

[@oidrops]

@@Sumi_S Naaaa i have a kid and feel the same way

[@riveteye93]

@@Sumi_S kids are worth it, trust me. It's like replaying the game on hard mode, bu you keep all your progress.

[@Larimuss]

If you work hard for your family you deserve a decent rig 😂 there’s much worse vises or habits to have. You only need to upgrade it once every 4-6 years. $1000 / 5 = $200 a year. Tell the wife 😂

[@ukyo.studio]

Up until a year or so ago I ran this exact Aspire TC780 with a 1050 plopped in and a cheap'ish' sata ssd as my daily driver, I had a simple debloated copy of windows 11 that i reinstalled every 3-4 months (you don't need to at all, it's just a habit). It wasnt luxurious at all but can confirm it worked well enough to run my 3D, audio production and gaming workloads with very few issues. p.s. It's now used as a simple media and web server running Ubuntu and it's still kicking!

[@gamin8ing]

My experience with Atlas OS was really smooth like it only consumed 13% percent RAM on my 2GB ram 13 year old PC, i used Mem Reduct to explicitly do it, and it passed my expectations by a lot

[@TheFalseShepphard]

wtf how and why are you even using 2 gigs?

[@posadist681]

@@TheFalseShepphard He has to play minesweeper on low settings 💀

[@escapetherace1943]

bro I have a 13 year old laptop with 16 gigs of ram that cost 20 dollars stick in more ram 💀

[@DMS3TV]

If it had a dedicated GPU I would totally give that Acer laptop a try. Excited for framework to implement their swappable GPU system. It feels like project ARA but in a laptop.

[@bradevans7935]

Kudos to Acer for this green initiative, using non-soldered connections where possible, and making the case out of recycled plastic. The only thing I'd change would be to have the case halves screw together instead of using clips, given that broken clips are one of the main things that lead to a lot of plastic items becoming waste.

[@antli0ncs]

The TC-780 was my first budget PC, for me when I was like 12-13. Slapped a 1050 ti into it, then a 1060 6gb and that kept me going for a looooong time despite the rapidly aging hardware. That PC taught me almost everything I know about building computers now, it was my own little Frankenstein.

[@carpandrei7493]

I fully agree: old HW doesn't have to die because software keeps getting bloated. I mean, I still use a 12 year old laptop (mostly with linux) for basic tasks like web browsing, youtube... even some very little schematic and PCB design (low complexity hobby projects). So yeah, videos like this are highly welcomed. Can't wait for the LTT Labs to kick into high gear and check out how well entry level hardware performs, which will be supper handy for jobs like this one...

[@marnixds]

this. You can run pop os on an older machine or even arch if you feel like destroying your nerves but gaining knowledge and it will run fine. Lots of people use macbooks from 2012 with linux on it.

[@MediQate]

@@marnixds What older laptop do you think would be great for messing with/learning? I’m in the market for a new laptop but if I can get an old laptop that I can upgrade and mess with without being worried about messing it up that would be awesome! A MacBook can run VM’s and install everything windows PC can install?

[@marnixds]

@@MediQate depends on what you want to learn. I have little knowledge of macbooks, even the second hand market asks a lot of money for any apple product mainly because of the brand name. Non-Apple a Business Thinkpad perhaps?

[@MediQate]

@@marnixds Well to be honest with you, I’ve been disconnected from computers my whole existence, minimal access to and desire to get into them. I’ve decided it’s time for me to “unlock” the ability to learn as much as I can about computers, AI and related technology and have the opportunity to buy a high end laptop or PC but I’d LOVE to be able to “destroy” or take apart a machine, learn the internals, learn the software, modify the OS, dive deep into everything without being limited by Windows 11/Microsoft, bottlenecks or unoptimizable/overpriced older machines. It may sound dumb but it’s the current state of things, I’m able to buy a good PC or laptop, I have the strong urge to learn everything and the dedication, free time and will power to do it but don’t want to be limited by modern restrictions. I’ll upgrade my machine in the future when I’m fully comfortable with creation and modification but I’m currently looking for something that’s good to mess with but not horribly outdated and overpriced with inadequate specs. In the future I plan on creating/designing products and bringing them to reality through 3D printing, but for now I want to KNOW a computer, become familiar and comfortable with software and sensitive hardware, then move onto the next phase. Would ANY laptop be ok to mess with or would a high ram, recently made CPU and access to various sources of storage be preferred for compartmentalization of different programs?

[@commandohazelnuts]

I use a 12 year old Mac Book Pro to do the same thing! Thanks Doritania

[@chris-C8]

I love videos like this. I was backing up old home videos recently and planned to use Plex until I found out that when family members accessed it, it would hurt my laptop's performance. So, that wasn't an option. But I watched a video Anthony did a while back about turning your old PC into a server, so that's my plan going forward. It would be nice to see more videos featuring Anthony on the main channel. With his video guide, I installed my first Linux operating system on an old laptop and gave it to my niece so she could watch her Disney movies.

[@abcbcd1834]

Anthony is the best host on any LMG channel imo. His videos are always great

[@bpdqbpdq]

Just make sure not to host 4k content on it, things get un-fun when you're dealing with transcoding issues from tech-unsavvy relatives. Either that or harass them to fix their settings lol.

[@jjmmjj9999]

@@bpdqbpdq 4k can be direct played providing the client supports it.

[@josephromano6168]

I just saw that video too! Ended up going Synology due to a significantly lower power draw and my old ITX computer not supporting transcoding. This videos are great DIY guides

[@chris-C8]

@@kainenable Huh, I've got to look into that. Thanks for the recommendation! Down the wormhole I go, haha.

[@syaieya]

Losing restore points, automatic updates, and windows defender on a still updating OS is a rough exchange for a bit more blood out of that turnip. I know there are options to solve all those issues otherwise but as far as canned solutions go they seem smooth on the outside

[@deezeejoey]

Loss of defender seems like a huge issue for anyone planning on using this computer and browse the internet with a web browser.

[@daniels-mo9ol]

Defender and updates sure, but restore points? I've never ever heard anyone use that.

[@lievre460]

@@daniels-mo9ol I use it a few times a month or so messing around with drivers and software that will break or change something that I didn't like and System Restore comes in to save the day.

[@stubbyfps]

I use reviOS and they have options to enable those things if needed. I've never heard of atlasOS but from my current win11 build on revi, I have everything you named enabled since it is kinda an issue.

[@junjung2975]

yeah i never use restore point if it borked fresh install it is then

[@cyberredpandas1903]

Personally I've found that an old office pc with a few inexpensive upgrades can work really well for playing older games. It's definitly not for everyone but as someone who collects physical pc games, I've gotten more than my moneys worth.

[@bungeetaco]

One thing to keep in mind with AtlasOS is that network drive functionality is broken as of April 2023. ReviOS also has a playbook and doesn't remove that feature.

[@tehonlynoobs5556]

almost gonna jump a board to use atlasos until i see your post about network drive .. god bless you

[@ThisIsCexary]

@@tehonlynoobs5556 go with ghost spectre superlite (i recommend)

[@bungeetaco]

@@ThisIsCexary Ghost Spectre is pretty good, although a bit 'weirder' to download (password protected archives)

[@TrustPax]

it is the last remaining security feature of the OS

[@muhammadghayyas8674]

Bro called 7th gen obsolete technology 💀💀💀💀

[@Bloxomatic]

Well it was 7 years ago

[@twistedcranknation]

Must suck for him. ​@7amzo3

[@OfficialAXEPvpBedrock]

@7amzo3bro what

[@LIKEANDSUBSCRIBEGUYS]

Meanwhile me I use a 3rd gen i3 💀

[@Gigcomplex]

And there’s me using 4th gen intel core cpu

[@maringenov7753]

One can do this kind of optimizations with the help of the various scripts available at the MDL forums. They are both more transparent (being open source and all) AND give you more control over what things to keep and what to exclude.

[@Grogueman]

YUp, tools like NT Lite are far more safer and transparent than this pre-customised Atlassian stuff.

[@F_e_l_i_x_]

17:10 was the world class comment I was waiting for. The look on his face = priceless.

[@crasssy1]

You guys are great! It's awesome, that you not only make reviews of high-end and server grade hardware, but you also touch low end stuff.

[@softxpandguest708]

They're literally promoting an OS with all security features stripped from it, so they get 3% better framerates.

[@NotOats_]

18:10 "Spectre/Meltdown mitigations are disabled" disabling fixes for extremely dangerous vulnerabilities that affect old processors in a build for... old hardware. surely this will never backfire

[@YannickBo]

They didn't even mention that UAC is disabled. So every program can obtain administrator privileges if it wants without the user noticing.

[@evifnoskcaj]

Love this! All we did at my Uni CS-Club was repair and refurbish and experiment with "old" computers and components that people would have otherwise thrown away. It served to teach people about computer hardware, saved people a bunch of money, helped out the students and staff, and it was super fun! Also, I love the shot of Anthony happily in the background with his hands together. Freaking GOAT. Praise be to overlord Anthony. ❤

[@techrickyross]

I have a laptop that’s almost 10 years old(2013) and still going strong, specs(if necessary) 1TB WD blue SSD, Intel core i5 4200u @ 1.6 GHz, 8GB DDR3 ram and Intel HD 4400 graphics, also re-pasted the CPU so the laptop runs quieter and lasts longer

[@Chiruliru]

Would be interesting to see the comparison in performance and overall responsiveness between OG W11 vs Tiny11 vs Atlas

[@spamme766]

And Spectre 11

[@arnox4554]

vs MX Linux. No, we're not gonna shut up about Linux. Go tell Microsoft to make a better OS that doesn't need a complete fucking lobotomy just to make it halfway performant and usable and doesn't require you to sign up for a fucking online Microsoft account just to install Windows. And by the way, this is all coming from someone who used to love Windows.

[@saricubra2867]

Windows 10 is faster than 8.1 for a decade old Haswell high tdp 4 core 8 thread i7 laptop that i have, Windows 11 should be even better. I currently have an i7-12700K system with Windows 11, the boot time is 3 seconds, my decade old laptop has a boot time of 12 seconds.

[@pawepiat6170]

Also, Linux, Native and with proton

[@saricubra2867]

I debloated my decade old Haswell laptop and changed some settings, then i did an undervolt and it has a partial overclock as well. It feels snappy for being a decade old. I use it for music production, capable of recording stuff and mixing in real time. My i7-12700K has twice the single core perfomance but the IPC isn't 100% better. But what changed everything for me is Thread Director, not the core count.

[@1Devilzay1]

This was a fantastic video! I would love LTT to keep tabs on AtlasOS from time to time with updates! And in general I'd like to see a possible series on the state of OS' in 2023 and beyond to see how they are in their current states after updates and such.

[@ZNotFound]

I have no knowledge of AtlasOS but if you want a deep dive into it there are probably KZbin channels that reviews each update. LTT probably won't do anymore videos on the OS unless they can spin it into another video with another purpose that's not just showing of changes in the OS like this one where they showed it off by installing it in old hardware.

[@softxpandguest708]

Atlas would be cool... Except they go out of they way to completely neuter and disable Windows Defender. If you never connect your gaming computer to the internet, or only use the OS long enough to run benchmarks, then sure, it *looks*, great...

[@Purik_Gaming]

@@softxpandguest708 Windows defender is useless,it can be disabled by administrator level apps,provides no web security thats a browsers job and overall you dont need an antivirus unless you run public servers or you are not smart enough to not get a virus

[@1Devilzay1]

@@ZNotFound That's fair I just feel with the way they handle things and write their videos they do a good job of balancing being nerdy with being understandable and with them keeping tabs on the states of operating systems I feel they can really tell you the good, the bad and anything else in between with them.

[@1Devilzay1]

@@softxpandguest708 AtlasOS from this initially does look good, some of those drawbacks are rough but still it would be nice to see a deeper dive and the state of it like a year from now or something. Windows defender isnt a killer for me as I rock Bitdefender but yeah I can see your point.

[@e2-woah939]

2600k at 4.7 on a Msi gd65 still working great. Gtx 460, 660 ti, 970, 980 ti, 2070 super, and back to 980 ti. Really great purchase 12 years ago. I mainly skip new releases and stick to single player modded games. I’ve added a ssd, extra 8gb beast ram, and seasonic x750 gold is still holding up as well. That sandy bridge wow what a chip.

[@romandell1289]

I built a gaming pc with a used i7 4790k, z97ar used, and used 1660 ti. Put an id cooling tower cooler on it, overclocked to 4.6 and ram to 2400 mhz. I get 90 fps 1080p on mw2 with recommended performance graphics. Old and used is definately usable. Also I stripped down windows 10 with a lot of research on necessary prosesses.

[@dee23gaming]

Atlas OS is a major security concern. Just use Linux, because suprise suprise, it's also a huge reason why most use Linux, not just for the performance boost. But I love the idea of buying older hardware and breathing new life into it. You don't need a strong desktop or laptop to get stuff done.

[@fxckrio]

i feel like youre better off just running ltsc than atlas, then a lighter linux distro if thats too slow

[@dylon4906]

@@casey360360 tell me youve never gamed on linux without telling me youve never gamed on linux

[@GSBarlev]

​@@casey360360 Haha, it's actually pretty fun to watch malware struggle to make sense of a wine bottle. Kind of like putting a shark in an aquarium.

[@dwirandypradhika6752]

@@casey360360 tell me you live under a rock without telling me you live under a rock. -valve probably

[@akashp01]

@@dylon4906 stop the delusion. Linux is straight up absolute nightmare for gaming . Nobody should use linux for gaming.

[@littlewillie65]

As a person whose fastest PC is a 4th gen I7 waiting for me to move my GTX1650 super into it - I appreciate the info on how to make the most of outdated hardware. Feel free to continue to show us how to do more with what we can afford - thanks.

[@LuLeBe]

Yeah was thinking the same thing, that xeon e3 1231v3 with my gtx970 feels pretty damn fine. Plays Anno 1800, Flight sim 2020 etc

[@kr-lp2nj]

Make sure to use th pcie x16 slot. Also get the fastest m.2 ssd if it has a slot. And make sure the ram is correct inserted. The correct slots. And dont use 3/4 slots use all 4 slots or only 2 slots And make sure it is correct slot. You can gain 10fps just by the correct ram slots

[@gordon7478]

I'm on a 4th i5. 4460. I was thinking of upgrading to a 4790 because I mean, for less than $100 that's quite an unpgrade... but it makes zero sense once you look at the used Ryzen market. I could reuse me power supply, case, SSDs, and just pick up a B450 mobo and a Ryzen anything at all and be flying in comparison. But in reality, I'm probably gonna sit on the ol' i5 for a little while longer, lol. 90% of the time, it's a computer. The only promlem really is that more and more of my work is moving from running native to me being stuck in the browser all day 😮‍💨

[@jimtekkit]

@@gordon7478 There are some cheaper upgrade options. The Core i5 4570 costs around US$10 and you'd get a 200MHz boost across the board (single and multi). If you can stretch to a Core i5 4670 around the US$20 price point then it's a 400MHz boost across the board. They're fairly common at Cex. Sure you get hyperthreading on the Core i7's but you have to pay the Core i7 tax up front to get it.

[@dvornikovalexei]

I am still running a Ryzen 3100 with GTX 1650 Super. The pandemic made me a zombie so I can't afford an upgrade yet. Atleast i can play every single Metal Gear game from start to finish.

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

Atlas reminds me of the abuse I used to do to XP to beat it into submission to get better performance. It was great. LOVE to see this is possible with Win 10 and am certainly going to look into this.

[@leylandlynxvlog]

Good to see a video for the financially constrained. Thank you Linus and team.

[@Andres-Estrella]

Atlas OS seems incredible. LTT should make a separate video on it

[@PlasmaSnake369]

It's just windows optimized for gaming

[@LRM12o8]

No, it's Windows without the features that you don't need, but Microsoft wants you to use anyway.

[@Andres-Estrella]

@@PlasmaSnake369 no, it is windows stripped off a lot of the massive amount of bloat and tracking that ships with windows which can revive old hardware like they showed in the video. They market it for gaming bc everything is nowadays and apparently it works

[@hellomark1]

I have an old laptop I still use sometimes, I keep it on Win8.1 because 10 was even more sluggish. Now I'm wondering if Win10+Atlas would be faster than standard Win8.1

[@PlasmaSnake369]

@@Andres-Estrella Those are things that impede gaming performance

[@chillenld]

I'm interested in digging deeper into those trade-offs and seeing if Atlas is worth it as your standard OS, even for newer or moderately newer hardware. The Ryzen 5600, RTX 3060 (or 2070) build might stick around for a long while and could make for an interesting benchmark for things like this, given it's a cheap and easy upgrade from old 1600 builds.

[@Kholaslittlespot1]

@Bread Pitt interesting

[@MrVizickles]

I've been using a 2015 MBP with a windows partition as my LAN/portable gaming solution (with a 1080Ti eGPU). Replacing the Windows image with Atlas sounds like a chance to really prolong that shelf life of the aging 4th gen i7. Can't wait to try it out!

[@ffwast]

My 4th gen i5 system runs great, because I ditched windows and run Linux on that machine. The problem is software bloat, problem solved.

[@memerhd8888]

Yeah me too with the mbp, but not egpu 😂

[@MrVizickles]

@@memerhd8888 I guess there was a sec vuln. with my processor I missed and now DX 12 games aren't supported 🤣 luckily I had the 1080 laying around and bought a used Razer Core so I at least had the option to use it hahah. It's a headache either way!

[@dariosunseri5326]

I miss Emily so much. I hope we get to see them more often soon

[@gokalpcetin2769]

I loved to see this video, this green approach and this much progress at it is awesome to see. I myself just turned an old desktop pc (dell optiplex 790) to a server for minecraft, plex and ftp, I used linux so far but I would love to try setting up another VM with AtlasOS to see how much performance it brings back on the table compared to regular Windows 10/11! I really like the idea of reusing and recycling e-waste as much as possible! Thank you AtlasOS for doing this!!

[@PadPoet]

I have ReviOS on most of my old PCs. Also note that instead of a standalone Windows stripped down version, ReviOS also has a playbook that can tweak your existing Windows installation and make it lighter/faster. Also it doesn't break network functionality. The latest Atlas release breaks network functionality so keep that in mind. They will probably fix it soon but thought I would put this out there.

[@AkbarNurPribadi]

What's the difference between AtlasOS and ReviOS? I find both in the same ame website

[@enggarmuhammad6433]

@@AkbarNurPribadi if performance is your priority then go atlas os, but i still recommend reviOS because revi got more compatibility and stability. in atlas many crucial features got disabled and this will give you headache in the long run.

[@AkbarNurPribadi]

@@enggarmuhammad6433 is windows update is still there with revios playbook? can I update the win and reapply the playbook tweak?

[@tutor8005]

@@enggarmuhammad6433 hello I want to create a second boot for atlas OS is it possible, my specs of my laptop is i5-3340m this is a very old laptop a NEC Versapro laptop upgraded my ram to 10GB btw an integrated graphics card of Intel HdD 4000

[@enggarmuhammad6433]

@@AkbarNurPribadi windows update are disabled by default but it can be enable for security update... I hadn't try playbook tweak so im not sure

[@shriramvenu]

i still have my gaming pc from 2012 with me going strong. Granted i upgraded the GPU once, increased the RAM to 16GB, and had to replace the motherboard once (identical model swap out). and its on its 3rd PSU. but I can still use it for work, youtube and 1080p gaming just fine. an overclocked i7 3770k and a gtx 1070 can really take you very far.

[@tbfam569]

My i5 2500k is still rocking with my msi mainboard, my daughter is still playing game with it, one time the thermal paste was so old for a year and it kept restarting, spent couple dollar for new thermal paste, works like new again, intel chip may not be the fastest but it’s reliable like a Toyota!

[@hex697]

I personally don't just use Linux for less bloat, my computer has a RX 6800 and a Ryzen 7 7700X with 32 GB of DDR5 RAM, so I wasn't worried about speed. Though privacy was definitely a concern, which is one reason which I would assume Atlas OS fixes, but I genuinely just haven't had any problems with gaming on Linux since this new computer. Not only that, after using Linux for a few years on Fedora Workstation 37 (now 38) I just prefer it. I like the user experience more, and the customizability is great (good package managers like dnf and flatpak are great too).

[@serendipity4740]

Fedora Gang :D

[@Civic.]

Exactly and I think it's the same for a lot of Linux users. I also think the biggest mistake Linus made in the Linux challenge was not trying Fedora. IMO that decision tainted the outcome. I personally don't think Ubuntu based or Arch based are good places for the average switcher to start, one is too old and the other is too bleeding edge, both resulting in an often broken experience requiring too much work or resulting in too much frustration for the typical user. Fedora really is IMO the best place, it's not too hard to get into and work out how to set up especially with KZbin as a guide and once you get into it and it is set up, it is extremely user friendly and pretty much just works unlike a lot of other distros. Like you I just prefer Fedora over Windows and you've hit the mark with some of its best points, customisation meets my needs perfectly with Gnome extensions and the Package managers used (combined with an up to date kernel) result in a great user experience with apps that work as intended. The PC I'm typing this on has a 4690k and a 1060 and it is hooked up to a 65 inch TV that is broken (the bottom 2 inches do not display correctly), with custom extensions I've been able to fill that part of the display with an app launcher bar which means full size windows snap to the top of that bar meaning I can use my PC on that display with no loss of function. It has saved both a TV and a PC going to waste. And it works amazing.

[@Nordlys]

Been running i7-3770K since 2013 with a GTX 680. I do a quick dust off once in a while, and reapplied thermal paste on the CPU last year. Been running fine, although with Win10 I have had some slight driver hiccups (My old ASUS Xonar Phoebus sound card is not officially supported in Win10, but it still kinda works). The GTX 680 was showing its age, and it seems that it stopped getting official nVidia drivers last year, so I got a second hand unopened 3070Ti this week for half off and installed it (~400 USD). The system is quick and snappy, and while my CPU became the new bottle neck it's doing pretty well for its age.

[@leoneldeleon6311]

Running my i7 3770 up to date. From GTX 550ti to GT 1030. Will be building a new rig soon.

[@TheUltimateNoobHD]

F for the 3070ti and its 8GB VRAM though

[@Nordlys]

@@TheUltimateNoobHD Yeah, I wish it had a bit more with the RAM trend today, but I figured it was the best value right now as people are upgrading to the 40-series. At today's price it was either 2080Ti or 3070Ti, and it seems the latter is just a bit better and is more "future proof" for being a gen up.

[@sc0tt11]

I get there's a very tight production schedule at LTT but the coverage of Atlas OS should never have gone out like this, it's a major security risk in its current form and they shouldn't be encouraging people to try it. Especially if those people end up using it on their main system.

[@dashcharger24]

Linus is good at hardware stuff, but this guy is terrible when doing software reviews. I skip all of his software recommendations (unsafe VPN setup anyone?), and his Linux-challenge basically prove my point.

[@jus_ttkrl]

Yeah, I’m somewhat aware of atlas OS and I believe one of its initial use-cases was for offline fighting game tournaments so that tournament organizers could attempt to run PC setups and get more “juice” out of those setups. I would not consider it for any sort of typical user. Probably just for special cases like this or like lan parties or offline media-box type things.

[@AnthonyPerez-ee3oh]

Whats wrong with Atlas, and wth is UAC

[@nemtudom5074]

The fact they didnt even acknowledged this as an issue shows how corporate they become. These small-scale scandals are a weekly fking occurence now, what the actual FK

[@amanewithjesus]

Jesus is lord follow him and you will be saved

[@gthieber]

Oh my goodness, Anthony is back!

[@joeymatthews1234]

You should test this operating system on much older hardware. Like 3rd gen intel or even FX platforms to see if it can make truly old rigs sitting in closets fully functional secondary PCs.

[@the_retag]

Fx? My bro uses an phenom2x4 i got for free as a daily

[@urgay1992]

Intel's CPUs were stagnant for so long that 3rd gen intel isn't really that much slower than this system lol. The 3570K is also 4 cores 4 threads like the CPU in the video.

[@Autunite]

Yeah, I'm using a ThinkPad T440s (2014) laptop with a 4th gen i5 and it is surprisingly good compared to my 2022 work laptop with an 11th gen i7. For my everyday tasks, I cannot notice any major difference in performance. The only thing it seems to struggle with compared to the 11th gen is maximizing a KZbin video, as it hangs a bit longer before going fullscreen. My desktop is an 8th gen i7-8700K and it is rarely used because the ThinkPad does most of what I need, only exception is gaming.

[@jhop-pd4qu]

I was thinkin Core 2 era CPUs cause I still use that kind of system

[@stephenanthony5923]

Very excited to see Acer take a proactive stance on slotted components. I hope they bring slots to their other devices like Lenovo used to on Thinkpads. I'll definitely be looking at the Vero for my next machine.

[@JScott-lg4jb]

You can also use old PCs to create home servers. This may seem niche but I use mine so often for everything from just a Minecraft server to making it the way I share files from apple to windows devices. LTT has a video on it I think.

[@lobsterwhisperer7932]

My Toshiba Laptop i5 is from 2010 and i still use it as my daily, its still more powerful than a lot of entry/mid-level laptops on the current market.. it has never let me down once...dont know how long that will last though.

[@Aelanna]

As a former laptop technician, it would be heaven working on laptops designed like this vs the ones I had to deal with in the field. And so many laptops I've had to toss over the years as they got old and unusable, with no way to upgrade them.

[@dieglhix]

I have a gaming desktop conencted to a 83" lg oled, and just bought a gaming laptop... guess what, I don't even use it🤡

[@mjisurdad]

@@dieglhix 👏 🤡

[@okkrom]

Those HP and other where you had to dissassemble evrything just to get to cpu/fan assembly. Dell/Thinpads where the easyest in my experience. (Old Laptop lover and thinkerer here)

[@amanewithjesus]

Jesus is lord follow him and you will be saved

[@DM-sc4ru]

@@okkrom The business HP Zbook G1 is very easy to work on. So is the pro book 655. You can take off the bottom with just a switch. Heatsink fans are right there.

[@xhydrax5320]

Atlas os is very good and I’m happy it’s finally getting attention from a big channel like ltt

[@DesocupadoXtremo]

Today i got a pretty decked out setup so i went with ReviOS cause it still has security updates, but yeah any trimed down version of windows rocks, i run debloating scripts in my friends computers cause a full format takes way too much time

[@idan678]

how is it compare to stuff like tiny10 etc?

[@xhydrax5320]

​@@idan678 atlas os does a much better job at reducing memory and processes than tiny10

[@Ahmed_Ayoubier]

is it worth it tho? if a PC is so low-end, would it be a big improvment to the performance? edit : like so low-end 4gb ram and an old CPU like dual core

[@xhydrax5320]

@@Ahmed_Ayoubier it would be a massive improvement to performance on a pc like that you should definitely install it

[@WillYouVid]

I like how in time LTT has gotten more in touch with low-budget gamers, hobbyists, regular peeps... I had complained about this in the past but you changed your ways and content

[@9852323]

Idk man he thinks a pc from 2017 is “obsolete” 🤨🤦🏻‍♂️

[@vismaypatil2006]

​@@9852323 sadly its the truth. Ik its hard to agree on that

[@cwhitley.sawlabs]

In case anyone wonders, orange is 3.3V, green is your enable pin, purple is the 5V standby and I think white is 5V online.

I remeber when I had to use modified versions of Windows Xp like this one because my PC just came with 256 MB of RAM. The Jump in performance when I got a 1 GB stick of ram later on was astronomical, but before that those custom versions of Windows sure helped a lot.

[@bilboswagg3nz827]

You should make a video about making Atlas and similar windows de-bloats as usable as possible. You could talk about good antivirus to pair with it if Windows Defender doesn't work, the true cost of windows update being disabled, etc

[@gargaj]

I feel like the "Spectre/Meltdown mitigations are disabled" part should've been emphasized a bit more...

[@mataskart9894]

Yeah windows defender being disabled is a dealbreaker as I don't want any 3rd party antivirus to be an even bigger performance hog... If not breaking it was an option though it's a super cool tool that I'd probably use even on a powerful PC.

[@spiderjerusalem8505]

@@gozutheDJ, responsive menus and windows itself is quite cool. As he mentioned, it won't increase your performance in games, but rather make your system faster in cpu-related tasks

[@itIsI988]

@@gargaj Not really a big deal considering that there are no known cases of it actually being exploited even after all these years.

[@dimitarkaloyanov9188]

@@gozutheDJ tell us you've simply glanced and scrolled through the video instead of watching it without telling us you've done it lmao

[@Ajk60000]

Love your videos! I miss my old pc sometimes with its nostalgia factor.

[@danwat1234]

I have like 70 SFF business PCs 2nd gen thru 7th gen Intel all with their original PSUs running just fine 24/7 under full load. No need to replace that PSU really. I should try Atlas on them.

[@LeonRayLivingston]

This is the kind of video I feel you should be making more often. I sometimes feel like you guys get caught up in the "latest and greatest" and that's understandable given the nature of the business, but it's important to me that you recognize the position you're in is NOT the standard, even within the enthusiast community. Great work!

[@saladgreens912]

Not only that, but it's way more interesting than just picking whatever is top of the line. We know how that is going to preform, who cares.

[@asterixdx]

Theyve been making budget option videos for a decade now. Ever seen scrapyard wars?

[@SyntheticFuture]

I like how old pc's now are like 1000x times faster than what I could have dreamed of as a kid 😅

[@GodSaveTheUnitedStates]

His old pc is still 4 generations newer than my current gaming system 😆.

[@michixinqq]

depends when you were a kid, but lets say it was around 2005-2010, so around that time, computers were already 1000x faster than 15 years before that

[@SyntheticFuture]

@@michixinqq for me it's the mid 90s 😅😂

[@libraryofthoughts0]

I was a little "late" for the party😂 Got my first computer in the late 90s at 8 years old. I think it was 32gb hard drive or 64gb. Playing Heroes of might & magic 3

[@GodSaveTheUnitedStates]

@Synthetic_Future You're about my age then. It's amazing how fast time flys, seem like the older we get, the faster it seems to move. Plus, technology is progressing seemingly at an exponential rate. Exciting times to be alive technology wise

[@nonyabizz9390]

I own that exact acer! It's exciting to see a video showcasing a piece of hardware that I actually own! I've also been wondering how I could upgrade it and make it still viable, so this is very interesting!

[@anupampreet2285]

I am still rocking a 2011 Pentium e8500 with 3 gb ram . Installed an ssd and a gt 730 few years ago and it performs basic tasks just fine. :)