Linux Mint 22 Beta

Linux Mint 22 Beta has been released. Today we look at the distro and see what is new.
#linuxmint #linux #cinnamon
blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4725
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[@warthunder1969]

the Beta is probably one of the best beta's I've experinced from the Mint team so far. They really knocked it out of the park once again.

[@SwiatLinuksa]

+1

[@wikwayer]

Could you tell me what did you find impressive about this update ?

[@warthunder1969]

@@wikwayer honestly just having used it its very stable and polished. I haven't encountered bugs with the beta so far

[@diuran1919]

this is the version with the fewest changes than it is interesting or useful. .

[@warthunder1969]

@@diuran1919 you're not wrong, though alot of the changes are under the hood quality of life improvements.

[@squat224]

It's often intriguing to see how a power user views changes to things. Personally, I don't mind that there are so many options for the UI appearance. I do blue collar work, so my PC is for entertainment first and almost never for work, so I like it to look fun and playful after a long day of toiling at work. I'm just happy that linux has advanced beyond basic computing and ventured towards being a real windows competitor. Looking forward to the new update, I have a feeling some of the stability issues I've had may be kernel related and I'm keen to see if I still have as much freezing and crashing with the new version.

[@natejennings5884]

Same here. I use my PC for gaming and movies, with a bit of authoring short books here and there. I only keep Windows around for a handful of triple-A games and use Linux for retro and indie games and movies along with my usual PC stuff.

[@GreedoShot]

i'm a power user, a software engineer, i work all day every day on my computer. my UI is thoroughly and extensively customized.

[@atlantic_love]

@@natejennings5884 I still use Windows 10, primarily for gaming on Steam. When Steam (or game dev's) find a way to start writing their games for consumption on Linux natively, I will be on Linux almost all of the time.

[@jarrettwalck3409]

Mint is my flavor

[@PopsSinging]

Using LM 22 on bare metal it works great. I have been putting it through its paces and haven't had a single issue yet. This computer has Intel Arc graphics and previously I had to either use the Edge version of LM or the regular version I would have to boot to upgrade the Kernel manually. With the 6.8 kernel that is installed I have had no problems.

[@tonywise198]

I generally turn off Screensaver but LM22 still "saves the screen". Otherwise, not problems with this version on bare metal.

[@stephenoberkirch1812]

Great preview but the one I'm really waiting for will be the LMDE version

[@vancegosselin]

I'll wait until the official release when all of the bugs are fixed.

[@UNUSUALUSERNAME220]

Smart man. I'm waiting for this to become an actual release, then it's going on my tower. Trying to get away from Windows, but I'll wait for all the bugs to be gone before I'll do anything to a working computer.

[@13thravenpurple94]

Excellent video 👍 Thank you 💜

[@oraz.]

They really always have nice wallpapers

[@ScottG420]

The finished version will be released this week, any day now, already approved for stable release.

[@core36]

i really like green and black color combinations and it was part of the reason i chose Mint over other distros. i was pretty shocked when i found out that they changed the default color to blue.

[@azvedicgurukul]

I tried it on bare metal twice. I had to go back to 21.3 because the Invidia driver install did not work / made the display unusable. In addition, there are problems with fuse2 and fuse in general that prevent running some appimages. I really hope this is fixed. I love 21.3.

[@kmg501]

I usually wait at least a few weeks or more before taking on the latest distro of anything. I learned a very long time ago that being any kind of early adopter is not for me. My single biggest value is stability.

[@motoryzen]

Lmde would probably be more up your alley then although Linux Mint any version. Is usually the perfect happy medium versus dealing with bleeding edge distros that always have the newest whatever

[@AncientGranules]

after a very long time I am installing Linux Mint 21 on a Intel i3.

[@ianhenshaw2930]

I've never really understood why there are so many built in wallpapers with each release. I would have thought that most people would just download wallpapers of their choice from the internet or simply use a personal photo as a background. That personal quibble aside, this looks like yet another solid release. I would like to see Wayland integration sped up a tad though.

[@atlantic_love]

Not only that, I'm surprised that they don't have multi-display wallpapers packaged in. I like for ONE wallpaper to be used across all 3 of my displays.

[@pstrizle9000]

Literally the day after I put 21.3 on another machine I find out about this… will 21 just update itself from within itself or require a full blown install over like many distros do on a big new number version :edit: mint team confirmed 21.3 will easily update to 22!

[@yadpreet7454]

you can update from 21.3 to 22.x it’s been confirmed by the linux mint team

[@LinuxLoader1287]

Great video im looking forward to the release of LMDE 7 not in a hurry though i only just finished updating all my devices to LMDE 6 😂

[@noot1337]

lmde 7 will come with debian 13, so it'll be another 1-2 years at least

[@minifix]

My wifi and bluetooth don't work with the 22 beta. Also having install fails with the applets.

[@ceecrb1]

13:54 He said the meme! Everybody take a shot!

[@walkergrae]

I've been liking my LMDE for a while though I'm thinking about hopping to SparkyLinux XFCE. Anyone been following the news with OpenSUSE declaring a purge of "the rotten flesh" from their user base and NixOS declaring a purge "Nazis" from their spaces? Reckon this'll spread to other Linux distros too?

[@minifix]

Wow, thanks for sharing this! Will definitely avoid those distros.

[@CaptainYourself]

MX Linux and AntiX are pretty far to the left side of things too.

[@noot1337]

​@@CaptainYourselfisn't MX neutral? i know the antiX guys work on it but i haven't seen statements directly by MXLinux

[@CaptainYourself]

@@noot1337 Exactly, the devs work on both. So I don’t trust or support either, regardless if they haven’t made the same public statements or inserted the same c*mmun*st links in the browser as they do on AntiX.

[@CaptainYourself]

@@noot1337 Since they are the same devs, I’m going to not trust or support them, certainly not with my OS.

[@jhna314]

Does it have higher PC specs?

[@NotMarkKnopfler]

What is that whole Online Accounts thing? What's it for/what does it do? I've never used it. Thanks 👍

[@Bseward36]

Will it be easy to upgrade when the release does come out?

[@Jammet]

The big question is, how will Cinnamon Desktop continue to exist when things move further and further away from GTK3? Many many many programs in Cinnamon are built for that. Specifically.

[@mgord9518]

Mint is forking GTK3 to keep it alive. GTK4 (especially libadwaita) is very GNOME-centric and makes pretty much zero effort to make it a good experience on other DEs

[@Jammet]

@@mgord9518 But is that smart? Forcing GTK3 to stay around? Are we sure GTK4 isn't "better"? And even if GTK4 is worse, what if everyone else pushes GTK4, how long do "we" want to keep GTK3 on life support before we have to give up on everything, because we stuck by our guns for years?

[@mgord9518]

@@Jammet 1: Is GTK4 better? If not, why should it be adopted if it brings nothing but less customization? 2: What "everyone" does doesn't really matter. GTK3 apps can easily be themed to fit into a GTK4 environment, the other way around isn't really feasible. As long as GTK3 is actually maintained and secure, there is no good reason to move away from it 3: It gets replaced when it makes sense. For GTK2, the primary issue was scaling. Do we have an issue of such magnitude with GTK3 that justifies its replacement? Maybe in the future we'll need to target VR or something that is too difficult to adapt GTK3 to, in which case it may justify an upgrade.

[@Jammet]

@@mgord9518 I'm not really concerned with it being better or worse, but with it being mass adopted. It actually does matter what most people pick under certain circumstances, if Linux Mint means to stay on-top of things, is my belief anyway. You're asking all the right questions but the thing is, choices will be made *for* us, not with us, sometimes. I'm just worried here. Worried that at some point in time, there could be regrets about not using GTK4 and working with that, in some way.

[@mgord9518]

@@Jammet It's certainly not a decision without risks, but I think it's worth it to fight GNOME's influence over the design of the Linux desktop. Like I said before, GTK4 is not a general-purpose toolkit like the versions before it. It's completely GNOME-oriented and if desktops want their own personality, they should not adopt it. So 2 things can happen. Either A: Linux mint is seen as "dated" for this decision and people move away from it Or B: It sets a precedent and other DEs will feel safe in relying on GTK3, hopefully quarantining GTK4 to GNOME and friends.

[@sebastiangonzales46]

Is it better to install from zero or upgrade from 21.3 to 22 when it gets released

[@MyChannel-vm6dw]

Is there any GOOD window resize and snap to desktop apps like Windows Powertoys has? Does Discord run natively on Mint?

[@kyokazuto]

Either LM needs to ship less themes by default or make the UI easier to handle with a lot of themes (maybe in a windows 7 kinda style), I definitely agree with the idea of splitting them up into packages so you can remove what you don't use even if it was still installed by default

[@luigiprovencher8888]

How do I report a Bug? I've installed Linux Mite Mate' 22 Beta multiple times and every time I do Matrix/mintchat isn't found in mintmenu under Internet even though it is installed it just can't be launched from there. It has to be launched from either Software Manager or the Welcome Screen under Help. Seems to be on a specific machine that this is happening because it shows up under Internet on my other machine.

[@Youssefdxb2011]

Linux not updating on my mac sound card (intel) still not fix after installing still the same dummy sound

[@Fezzy976]

any eta on a full release?

[@linuxuser145]

I've been using pop os and manjaro but linux mint os my favorite still it would great to see a a server version of linux mint and different desktop style like gnome or plasma

[@tylerdean980]

You could just install LMDE and remove all the graphical programs

[@rlosangeleskings]

I need Latin for a spell check option...but German is my second language...

[@rinyamashita]

Ich hoffe du hast Spaß beim Lernen und nutzen der deutschen Sprache. 🥰

[@UncleSpellbinder]

When you ere messing with the "actions" and re-arranging, the reason it didn't work was because you never clicked "SAVE".

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

I did not mess with them in this video. Please check the previous video, where I clearly demonstrate and error with the actions sorting. Even though the save button is pressed, it still did not adjust the menu accordingly.

[@e002840]

Even though I like Cinnamon, I do miss Mint KDE

[@Milena-ix5mq]

Sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop

[@e002840]

@@Milena-ix5mq I know. Just pointed out that I miss it officially supported

[@Milena-ix5mq]

@@e002840 I never knew it was supported in the first place 😕 welp, I don't really use Mint, but I also feel disappointed now

[@tom-hy1kn]

Why would you need different languages for an operating system? Doesn't Firefox have its own language packages to translate websites?

[@fredster100x]

Would I venture a guess that you only speak, read and write in only 1 language?

[@lawrencecavens5760]

I need to add a strong suggestion - And that is Linux Mint needs to make the Panel Buttons A lot bigger as they are still to small ... Without having to go to getting a theme of windows ten ...

[@johnj8135]

Live chat?

[@outforbeer]

mint 22 beta can't read ntfs drives anymore? Getting error messages trying to mount ntfs drives. It was fine in linux mint debian edition

[@PopsSinging]

That is a Linux problem period. I have to constantly use disks or ntfsfix to repair my NTFS drives.

[@squat224]

I too had issues (on many distros) might be time to just start migrating to ext4 if you can. I understand if you're still using windows that might not be an option

[@andrewwoods456]

You could try raising an issue on the LM22 Beta bug reporting page

[@tonywise198]

Once I dumped Windows, I reformatted other drives to ext4, which conveniently solves that issue for me.

[@outforbeer]

@@tonywise198 did you have problems moving files from ext4 to ntfs? I noticed many times directory and files can’t move and get error messages due to file name had illegal characters. I had all my files in ntfs as storage. I might have to change file system for them. My fear is that I have about 4 tb on ntfs hdd and files are corrupted or directories don’t get transferred when moving from ntfs to ext4

[@electrodacus]

Google Chrome Flatpack 1GB to be downloaded and 3GB disk space required is getting silly. There are still full operating system below 1GB that include full office and browser.

[@commietube_censorship_sucks]

I agree that some Flatpaks are ridiculous in size, but who in their right mind would want to use Chrome anyhow?

[@orange11squares]

yes, that is indeed nasty, i try to avoid chrome as much as possible..... i use firefox, however firefox take a lot of space as well, but the installer is at least under 200MB.

[@kibira_4131]

Please suggest which option is better: 1) upgrading from 21.3 to 22 2) fresh install of 22 Thanks before 🙏🏼

[@Winnetou17]

Wait for it to be tested a bit

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

Wait a few weeks after the full release then upgrading is probably fine.

[@Gokuevp]

Ive found that Font Manager in the software manager is sooooooooo much better than font viewer when it comes to installing fonts.

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

Cool! I will have a look.

[@atlantic_love]

The one I'm seeing has a 2.7* rating, yikes.

[@Gokuevp]

@@atlantic_love its not the flatpak one. Its a system package

[@alternatuber6698]

KDE spin we need! LM team hear us!

[@-throat-]

Fred?

[@BeeLeLz]

Pika backup is better than timeshift and it's more intuitive

[@motoryzen]

Pika is not designed for a system recovery or system backup is designed for personal data backup versus time shift is designed for system restore not designed for personal data backup Each software tool has its pros and cons. But it is important to understand what your backing up and what's the best tool for the job

[@BeeLeLz]

@@motoryzen that's a great point, thanks for the nugget

[@JSCB-365]

Hello

[@davetech1269]

[@abubch1k]

Some people are saying that Mint looks ugly out of the box, and I can understand them. It looks totally different from modern Windows or macOS. However, design the only thing I found questionable (it's also a subjective topic...). Even so, you can customize Cinnamon and make it look whatever you want it to be. Hell, I even made it look like Ubuntu, but with custom icons. Overall, I feel like Mint is THE Linux distro for Windows refugees. Similar design, one of the easiest distros to use + based on Ubuntu, but doesn't have controversial stuff from Canonical (like Snaps). For those who want modern design and auto-tiling (like in window managers), I think Pop!_OS is also a solution... once the 24.04 is released with COSMIC DE. It doesn't look like Windows though.

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

As a long time Windows user who just switched to Linux Mint 3+ weeks ago I think Cinnamon looks fine. Granted, there are more fancy looking desktops out there for Linux, but it is functional and not that hard to adjust to your liking. Windows has not had a consistent UI since the Windows XP days and Windows 11 is way too strict in terms of customisation to be usable for me. The fact that it forces the bottom taskbar to stay there makes it absolutely useless for my ultra-widescreen that I use the sides of the screen to attach my software. For certain software I need the taskbar out of the way as to not obstruct the UI, but Windows 11 is not designed for modern screen dimensions by forcing things on to the user. It's for good reason I've stayed on Windows 10. Mint may look more 2010s in style, but there is enough customisation that you at least find something you like more or less. If there is a demand to make the GUI more modern then the devs at least seem to be willing to adapt.

[@LinuxLoader1287]

​​@@Frozen_Death_Knight I think cinnamon desktop is great too. Easy to customise and not to over the top I remember when I first switched to linux and was recommended ubuntu granted it worked ok but I could never get used to the unity desktop it give me mac os vibes but once I started using linux mint I've never looked back I use the debian edition now. Hope your transition went well

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

@@LinuxLoader1287 Yeah, for the most part. Though it would have been a lot smoother if 22 had already been released, haha. The biggest issue I had was with audio production, or audio at all for that matter. My Roland Super UA-S10 audio interface just didn't work whatsoever and I had to manually install Pipewire and Wireplumber for my audio server to make it work, which was hard to find any info about. Ripping out the old system for the one that is going to be shipped in 22 made my audio hardware work flawlessly on Mint, which would have saved me several hours of trying to troubleshoot things. At least it works now, which is a lot better than it not working at all. I've had bumps on the road, but most have been manageable. The only real showstopper left is having Affinity/Adobe art and image editor software to work properly on Linux and sadly that is the biggest gap left that I need to fill by dual booting to Windows 10 still. I really hope there will be a viable solution soon. :)

[@rinyamashita]

I had trouble with my second monitor... Hdmi and Linux don't mix well. When installing the grafic software I had to use the open source one, the nvidida doesn't work.

[@squat224]

Security is an often brought up point, and I'm slowly realizing the Linux community is maybe a little paranoid. I recognize that malicious software exists for all OS, but as someone who's very much in the loop is there a genuine high risk for malicious code from the software managers? It seems like the constant checks and balances from people like you and other software developers minimizes the risk tremendously.

[@DCM777.]

Another one who doesn't understand Linux and BSD!

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

Downplaying the security of your PC can be easy until the day you sit there trying to salvage whatever you can as you lose control over your entire system. Of course there's also personal responsibility involved, but if you're able to prevent a lot of headaches by having some simple barriers for the average Joe, then it is worth it if you ask me.

[@squat224]

​@@DCM777. And your input is useful?

[@squat224]

​@@Frozen_Death_KnightI do get it, but at what point is it enough? If a bad actor wants in, short of never connecting to the Internet it's not stoppable. Linux doesn't have very good antivirus to begin with, and since everything is mostly open source assuming you get it from the source where does the unnecessary risk start?

[@DCM777.]

@@squat224 Yup.

[@Automata_Omega]

openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE Plasma 6.1.2 is by far better - change my mind (I also used Mint, but then I grew up) edit: I admit, Mint has cool (pun intended) wallpapers but thats it really.

[@VirtualAxiom]

"...but then I grew up" Bruh. Coming from an Arch guy who doesn't go around flexing it or talking down to people for not using it, get over yourself. Whether we run a more obscure or "complicated" (in terms of setup/maintenance) distro or not doesn't make us special. Mint is one of the most sensible distros out there with plenty of legitimate use cases where you'd want or need a "just works" system that requires basically no intervention ever and has virtually no risk of breaking with updates, however long you wait. (i.e. a parent or grandparent's computer, a server/HTPC, a work computer that can't afford downtime, etc.) Its simplicity and resultant reliability are strengths, not weaknesses, and someone who chooses to run it over Arch or OpenSUSE or whatever for their own reasons is no less mature or capable inherently than those of us that run those for whatever reasons we might have.

[@Eric.Abraham]

X11? Mint will get Wayland in 2050.

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

Scheduled for Mint 23 I think, maybe 24.

[@ciestermr1848]

No wayland no care

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

Wayland is still experimental. You can test it if you like.

[@ciestermr1848]

@@SwitchedtoLinux yeah I did, nowhere near ready, simply not an option for me right now

[@motoryzen]

Well of course Weiland is not ready yet in Linux mint. Clem and his team even said themselves before mint beta 22 even launched that it wouldn't be ready for at least another year if not longer. Waylon's not even ready and other distros yet Siri there are still some basic pieces of functionality that don't even work

[@motoryzen]

I don't know how many more times I have to post this comment before stupid Google KZbin will finally show it but here tries a third time. Of course Wayland is not ready yet in Linux Mint. Clem and his team even said so themselves that it would not be ready for prime time machines for at least another year if not longer Waylon isn't even radio on other distros if you want to get technical because there are still some basic pieces of functionality that don't yet work in Wayland

[@trickeywun]

I know this is Linux Mint but I have always disliked the green. Don't know why.

[@jschudel777]

I'm also not a green person. Not my color. Never liked the green either. Glad we are getting a variety of colors.

[@trickeywun]

@@jschudel777 I am also quite pleased with the variety of colors. Linux Mint has really become super solid. When first-time linux users ask me for a distro recommendation, my defacto response is always Linux Mint. 👌

[@brunob.7792]

an anemic version. And they will mess up important portions of the system with this update

[@kvazium]

Why linux mint has to be so ugly out of the box 😭

[@Vlado709]

Matter of opinion. I like it. I use Mint on 3 PCs at home and it's not modded.

[@markusfischhaber8178]

I like the clean look.. only problem is the Firefox icon in the taskbar. Sooooo ugly

[@kyle9777]

For me I use the elegance theme, ultra flat icons and transparent panels to make it look beautiful.

[@86ericg]

​@Петар1xfce suck i love cinnamon its like windows

[@86ericg]

​@@Vlado709xfce suck i like cinnamon look like windows