8 Mistakes to Avoid When Registering a Song on BMI, ASCAP & Copyright

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

Are you affiliated with ASCAP or BMI as a songwriter yet? Leave a comment and let me know what you need to help YOU with your music career!

[@tashirose1244]

Hi great video 💯. I'm going to copyright 10 songs. Just wondering how long I should wait before releasing my album through TuneCore? I'd like to register with ASCAP but with my budget I'd have to do that at a later time. I'm the author of the sound recording and composition & lyrics, etc Any insight would be appreciated. Thank you!

[@mwmcbroom]

I sent a message to ASCAP a couple weeks ago and I still haven't received a response. Perhaps you can provide an answer. I want to publish a work that I didn't write, but I don't know how to get a hold of the copyright owner. I know his name and where he lived over 20 years ago. I found a couple of email addresses, but they're no good. So I mentioned all this in my message to ASCAP and, since this guy was (is?) a professional musician with publishing credits, I asked if they would contact him and tell him I want to publish one of his tunes. He's got to be a member of either ASCAP or BMI and I'm figuring even if he might be a member of BMI, ASCAP should still have a way to contact him.

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[@carltonjhons1278]

ama release my first debut single, i understood that i better register it before its actually released, as for samples used in my new track i actually made a remake for some existing song but mine is totally dfferent , i mean same vibe but different in sound, shall i mention am using some existing sample in my song? or i should not mention it?

[@kashkash707]

BMI

[@mintyswirljoy]

wow! That 200% tip was something I never knew about. I just set up publishing for myself. No need!

[@TRILLIONUSA]

Great Video! Great Insight. As a longtime beatmaker and award winning the only thing I would add is I submitted 100 + beats to Sony TV for a TV Show and many were used, I did need to register those beats with BMI or ASCAP to get paid publishing that I still receive. Beatmakers don't need to publish their beats unless they will be used in this type of way as a song beat.

[@ChasMusic]

Thank you for this. I'm starting to put my music out there and need to learn as much as I can about BMI. Would love to see you do this with copyright.

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

Sure thing! I'll cover copyright in a new video soon!

[@thatmannnn]

What if somebody stole my song how can I reclaim it

[@somewheresomeplace1309]

@@IndieMusicAcademy Question: What if you want to keep your government name out of public records and only let your artist name show up? what should I do?

[@Padillajose]

Best video explanation I’ve come across so far!

[@mwmcbroom]

Regarding your comment about how to register a 15-song album, it's worth noting that the Copyright Office looks at things differently, and you should mention this. The Copyright Office has a form you will fill out for a group of works, but it is limited to only 10 works. So, if you want to register a 15-song album with the US Copyright Office; you have to fill out TWO forms and then pay TWO submission payments. It is for this reason that all of my albums now contain 10 songs or fewer. I don't have a big copyright budget to deal with this. It can quickly add up if I want to have albums with more than 10 songs. Also, you mention only how BMI does things. I'm a member of ASCAP. It would have been nice to see from you how ASCAP handles things.

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

Great insights! I would love to know your ASCAP specific questions. Drop them below and I'll clarify what I can!

[@Nonamejj256]

This has now been changed to 20 songs for music and lyric group submissions 🤟

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

It's also worth noting (for anyone reading this) that you will not sign up for both ASCAP and BMI - you have to choose one PRO and stick with them!

[@tashirose1244]

Hi, just a quick question...when you registered your 10 song album was this done online? I wanted to register 10 songs the composition and sound recording. I'm not sure if the system would allow me to continue if I typed in the Album title as the title plus the songs would be 11 line items and the US Copyright has a walkthrough video that shows it would generate an error for more than 10 line items. Just wondering if you were familiar with this or ran into an issue when registering. Thank you!

[@Nonamejj256]

@@tashirose1244 the max is 20 now. You can just put each song in individually up to 20

[@cassandrahuskey8866]

I am a singer /songwriter and use my own instruments for my music....I feel SO LOST cause I am SO NEW to ALL this !! I'm not stalking you...just following your videos. Asking questions as I listen to each one to try n learn ! thank you

[@PocketbookProphetOfficial]

This was seriously one of the most helpful videos Ive seen this year! Thank you!

[@missj9879]

This is golden! Thank you for this.

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

You are so welcome!

[@ckhprojectpro777]

Appreciate the video, however, seems misleading to use ASCAP in title when you only reference BMI's process. ASCAP has you register as a publisher separately and you can do that as an individual/sole proprietor - you don't have to be incorporated - but then you can get both writer and publisher royalties. Not sure of their registration process which is why I clicked. The whole CD baby pro publishing (replaced by CDB Boost in August 2023, with legacy releases still supported) is confusing with the PROs though. Especially as CD Baby is technically a 'distributor' that only 'administrates' your publisher pay-outs (for a fee of course). The language they use makes them sound like they are taking the role of your publisher. Add the issues of Songtrust and the MLC on top of it and it is even more confusing. I'd like more clarity on those. The new CDB Boost is supposed to finally include Songtrust and MLC registrations also, but if not using such a service (for an extra fee of course) my understanding is that the artist would need to register themselves and their songs with a PRO and Songtrust and The MLC to be fully covered. It's such a mess.

[@blackustadhmedia1151]

Subscribed....Man! Straight to the point luv it! Question: What is the purpose of getting your own publishing with the PROs if you can just collect them by putting 200% in the writers column?

[@briantuckerworship]

I would definitely like to know this too!

[@douglashazelrigg4377]

Very informative -- thank you. Every time I think I know this subject, I find there's more to learn. I do have two questions: When you register with the Copyright Office, do you need to provide both sound recording AND sheet music? Or will either one suffice as protection for the other? When you use the option of registering 20 songs at a time, does it matter how those songs are then marketed? For example, 20 songs that appear for sale on two different CDs (or digital albums)

[@ShotgunSuzee]

Thank you, this helped so much!❤

[@KidBrazil01]

the explanation for uploading a multiple track album or EP asnt elaborated enough in my opinion honestly because do e need to upload the tiltle of the project// i need a step by step alkthrough plesase

[@Ace_of_DiscaL]

Eye opening! Could you please kindly make a video with guidance for us sampling artists who use excerpts from other songs to create "originals" or remixes?

[@GARDNSOUND]

Hey thanks for the vid. You answered my question well!

[@AdafooMN]

I’m working on an animation series and each episode has a few songs. This is helpful. You have a new subscriber

[@SheenaT84]

Great content! Make sure that you double check your aka's when you use the "copy/paste" feature when registering songs from an album so that you don't end up copying one aka meant for one song across all of them.

[@MarianRenta]

I nearly had a stroke at 00:08, I thought someone let off a round right in my house omg .. thanks for the refresher ;-)

[@crystalbutler659]

Hello! Thank you for taking time to answer questions! I collaborated with another Artist on a song featured on his album. It is about to be released. He bought the beat from someone. I don't have the beat maker's info. I am with ASCAP, and also own my publishing. 1. When registering my work, do I give myself 50% and the other writer 50%, then under publishing, give myself 100%? 2. Do I have to list the beatmaker since I don't have his info?

[@eddyvelizveliz3992]

Excellent information thanks! I have question that maybe you already answered it, but I am still confused. How does BMI know which songs belongs to the songwriter when being played on Spotify? I registered a song on BMI and then the artist that recorded the song uploaded it to Spotify, but I saw that he typed my name incorrectly on Song credits. Would that affect me getting the royalties?

[@SheenaT84]

As long as you've submitted your registration correctly under your BMI account and it's linked to the correct artist, you're good. They don't use Spotify writer info to confirm shares. 👍 I believe the artist can still correct your name spelling through their Spotify account, though.

[@nii9334]

Amazing video!!! As a lyric writer would you do a separate uploading from the singer for your royalties or would your name just be added as a songwriter through the singer on bmi and that’s how you’d retrieve royalties?

[@onedayati]

Thanks.

[@Theonlyoneto]

If you do edm or dance music u can register bmi if u don't expect to change it

[@johntalbot1331]

Great tip about completing an album's worth of tracks. I would have been very confused right at the point you said I would! Thanks.

[@dbmajormusictx]

Wows thanks for that on the publisher percentage I have a lot of music im uploading and did this so I don’t want to feel as if I’m missing something

[@juandediossandoval3386]

Wow Straight to the point thank you very much sir you got my subscription and continuous following

[@kevinconlon5662]

If I already have a BMI account as both a writer and publisher believe the most direct way to move forward as an independent artist is to simply distribute via CDBaby, Ditto, etc. then handle all of the rest within BMI (song registration) and avoid using the aforementioned for any publishing management. Also no need for Songtrust. Make sense?

[@charlesurdy-barnes413]

Excellent. But this does not cover ASCAP as implied in the title. I recogize that the IMA is obviously registered with BMI rather than ASCAP. But having it in the tiel, I would expect to at least mention rather ASCAP has the same work around to make sure you get both the writer and publisher share withouth creating a separate account.

[@pjrichardson8842]

Great info!!! Thanks! 👍

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

You bet!

[@terryparham8099]

Excellent video! You answered my question on registering my songs on BMI. Thanks.

[@mr.houston1043]

Good job on vid too covered a lot some I did for years some I don’t do samples medley’s part smh but not sampled in lyrics smh so much is overwhelming

[@polinabevzz]

So interesting and so educational! I would be very grateful if you’d talk about everything that’s connected to the tour part, who gets what and etc, thank you in advance!

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

That's a great idea! Can you clarify your question a bit more? Are you talking about royalties that are generated by going on tour?

[@polinabevzz]

@@IndieMusicAcademy Yes, exactly! 😀 and just in general everything we need to know while planning the tour 😎

[@JackHL]

Nice, but sounds like a commercial for BMI lol. Still, thank you for all the info! very helpful in making the decisions on who to use in a start-up music career.

[@mackgrace]

This is so helpful, thank you!

[@chansfor]

Really helpful, thank you. As both BMI and ASCAP are US based, in the event that our song ends up in a foreign film track (let’s say) will we still receive a royalty ?

[@DionteBOOMstudio]

Only thing I don’t agree with is not registering beats just because they are without lyrics. Instrumental music is a genre. I’ve gotten some pretty decent royalty payouts just from folks listening to my instrumentals.

[@ATrueSound]

yes, if you are going to upload your beats to distrokid/tunecore/cdbaby/united masters then yes you should register your instrumentals on BMI/ASCAP

[@ceasarrushes8197]

Definitely answered 2 of my Questions! all the rest I knew! THANKS!!!!! I'm Now Subscribed!!!

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

Thanks for the sub!

[@zephyrkhambatta]

Great insights for beginners to the industry. Thanks.

[@alfredobouzamusic5194]

Thanks for the info but I’m a little frustrated with BMI because I registered my album Run to the mountain and for some reason there’s not records of it in BMI. I thought I did everything right. I could appreciate some help on this. Thanks.

[@eht12369]

If you work with an admin publisher, such as CD Baby PRO, you don't need to register your songs individually with BMI, because your publisher will do that for you!

[@SteveauxDaVinci]

FACTS!!!

[@jaydee816]

Huh so say I’m with TuneCore as my pub admin so i just register my song with them and they handle the rest???

[@kingorza15]

Do I have to do the same with Distrokid?

[@jayone3442]

You should be your own publisher!!!

[@christinam1172]

@@kingorza15did you ever find the answer to this?

[@notsogood9449]

Hey... can you make a video about all these organizations pay schedule. When and how often does BMI, Ascap, Songtrust, distrokid and Soundexchange pay royalties to their members? If I've taken care all my business and I'm posting my music on the streaming platforms for the first time... who will I get royalties payments from first and how long would that take?

[@Nonamejj256]

Quarterly

[@notsogood9449]

@@Nonamejj256 All those organizations pay quarterly?

[@majorseventh1]

A very useful video! Is a songwriter able to sign up with BMI as an LLC?

[@dycelusoceano]

👀👀 riiigghhhttt

[@nikia_lyrical]

thank you

[@karenbrockington9521]

Everything was bout BMI you said noting about ASCAP?

[@OfficialStevenCravis]

Good point. There may be differences. For example I think ASCAP calls the Writer half 50% and the Publisher half 50%, unlike BMI 100% and 100%.

[@lennypena5587]

Thanks for the video. Does this apply if you are affiliated with ASCAP only? You only referred to BMI on the video.

[@shafersongs]

Helpful, thanks. Nice studio.

[@saltshaker8777]

Great info. Well explained. Thanks!!!!

[@voixoffmasculine]

Really interesting videos!!! Thanks! What do you suggest to take care or pay attention for sync music composer (instrumental orchestral)... my goal is to register to ASCAP? Any advice about it? Awal+soundexchange+ASCAP sounds good? enough? :-)

[@chokktaw]

Great video! but I'm still confused about two things: 1) does registration through a PLO IPI equal copyrighting a song? 2) how long does a snippet that i used of another copyrighted song have to be so that it can be called sampling that record? and what if i use a small snippet that i loop over and over again just a background texture? etc. things like that. I know it's a whole seperate subjects, but could you summarize the main things about this in a few sentences? Thanks :)

[@varell4255]

It's a shame no one responded. I'm very curious about this as well.

[@JoeyKayMusicAndVids]

Publishing ownership does not determine Copyright Ownership, unfortunately US LOC or contact ASCAP or BMI for details

[@ElTinyBoi]

I have a question, let’s say I don’t own the beat , but I own the lyrics and performed the vocals . What would that be considered as (cover, original, etc…) And do I get any type of royalties from my lyrics even tho I don’t own the beat that it was performed on ?

[@TIHANEtv]

Thank you for this! I still have a question after watching this video & your video about registering as a publisher - if I am a BMI writer & I have my own publishing imprint via BMI - I'm confused about setting the right % if there are multiple composers involved. If I want the writer's splits to match the publishing royalties, does this mean my publishing company still collects 100% or I also split up that 100% to match the Writer's splits? This is hard to describe! Not sure if it's making sense...

[@Alyssathepayne]

I love your content! Thank you for all your help :)

[@draghicesco5880]

I worked for something like BMI, building their backend. They basically cross-match your data (title and artist name) with everyone else's. Radios and TVs do send these long Excel files with what they broadcasted and for how long. It's a messy process that takes weeks! Soon most of them will require an mp3 upload of your song because this system has been abused so many times. So they are all moving towards switching to comparing audio files instead of text with something like BMAT. It's a nasty world inside there, fueled by corruption from their top ranking members who also happen to be the most successful producers in that organization's country.

[@BigHugeYES]

If one of the writers is on ASCAP, how do you input their info in BMI? And vice versa how do you register a work with ASCAP when one of the writers is BMI? It gets confusing because the ASCAP person will have a publishing account and the BMI person usually won't.

[@marcussorenson3148]

Very helpful... Thank You!

[@johnnawodylo5997]

Great video and recommendations! Quick question... if I am registering some songs on BMI with a co-writer (we are dividing our songs equally for music & lyrics), should I put 100% for myself and 100% for my co-writer? Also we do not have a publisher, so this obviously still adds up to the 200%. I just want to make sure I am doing this correctly? Again, much appreciation for your insights and all the great videos!

[@kevinconlon5662]

Very clear. Thanks.

[@rayallaire3274]

Great info....Thank You!

[@henryhoward5180]

I really need to knw how to go about giving agreement on songs I produced as a music producer from what stage to what do I do a split and get royalties

[@aspsa6246]

Interesting points. Thank you.

[@LuisMarioOchoa-Artist]

Hello, great video! I just have a quick question regarding the collection of publishing royalties. You mention that by writing 200% on BMI, this would eliminate the need for Songtrust? I'd be very happy if that's the case!

[@copernicus99]

Ok, so I composed and recorded an original song. I registered it on BMI. I distributed the audio recording using CD Baby. Am I fully copyright protected now, or do I still need to register it with the US copyright office? Do I also need to register it with a Publishing Administrator? Thanks in advance for your advice!

[@GeraVMusic]

wow m8 you are such a beauty ! thank you

[@clay-music]

Thanks for your info. I have been using CDbaby Pro and they register with BMI for me. Now I am leaving CDbaby to another distributor who does not take care of BMI for me. Do I need to re-register all my previous work or make any changes with BMI?

[@raincells]

Great video. In your opinion is one company better than the other? Thank you.

[@denswellforrest1539]

You a life saver chief

[@vernonhuskey]

Ryan, you do a great job. Something I missed, when I pulled up SOUND TRUST, I got SONG TRUST. Does Sound Trust own Song Trust? One of these paid a better royalty to singers, if I understood that right. Thank you for your time.

[@tarakeith1570]

I purchased the license to remake a song. How are the percentages calculated? How much should the publisher and the original artist receive?

[@MartinGallegosMusic]

Wow this is amazing content, thank you Ryan! How can I ask you a question? Should I use a specific form or email?

[@thatmercyguy]

Since you can receive Both the writer and publishing rights from BMI, do you need to register with a publishing Admin like songtrust or tunecore ????

[@25oscarp]

so with regard to samples, if I'm using a program to do my drum track such as Ez drummer on an album do I need to put in the BMI registration that I'm using samples

[@briantuckerworship]

Really great! Quick question based on "How to register an album". If I released 1 song from the album a couple weeks before releasing the album such that there is a "single" version of the song and an "album" version of the song, do I create two submissions for that or rather create one submission and in the "Recordings" part add one recording as type "Single" and a 2nd recording as type "album"

[@rom_ash_ca]

Thank you very much for such an insightful video Ryan, this is very helpful and explains many steps in the registration process! I am just curious, if my work contains sounds or a loop from the samples which were provided with the DAW when I purchased it (Ableton), does this mean my song technically contains samples?

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

Good question! It does NOT contain samples because those loops are royalty free.

[@rom_ash_ca]

@@IndieMusicAcademy Great, thank you very much for clarifying 😊!

[@billt3031]

Is it still the same if you use a sample from 'Cymatics'? They say that they are royality free

[@ybwaiziquel]

i love your videos man

[@P4MMyko]

does it matter if I put my artist name or should I put my government as the writer?

[@YesWeCanSong3]

Aaarrrrggghhh! I just went through a 7-day sync ready challenge with Michael Elsner. Michael said to sign up as a songwriter AND as a publisher on BMI in order to get 200% of your royalties. So, I established Songwriter Stephanie Phillips Music as my publishing entity. Is that wrong?? Will I regret that?

[@baigmusic]

Great content, very helpful, thanks!

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Eloho-Inibi]

Thanks for this video

[@ericwilson8000]

On number 2. Samples. I use Splice. Do I have to choose that I have used samples? As a subscriber to splice I don't have to pay royalties.Thanking you in anticipation.

[@cassandrahuskey8866]

I was waiting to hear about ASCAP...but only heard about BMI...what are the difference between the 2 ? thank you

[@dogdelarue]

VERY HELPFULLY I LOVE YOU

[@thestevenjaywaymusic7775]

Thanks

[@alcreatorr]

can you do a video about sync licensing, I would like to pitch in my beats for companies to use my beat but I know you need to have P.O.R which I have BMI but still not sure how this work, and would like to get a better understanding by registering them or do I not?

[@yetcop]

Great video. What do you recommend for a composer who wants to make music to sell on his own website, and sell usage licenses? I should register the music in BMI (or equivalent), or I should not register it, since I am interested in whether it is ROYALTY FREE. On the other hand, should I register all of them in BMI and better license them to buyers so they can then monetize through a Content ID dispute on KZbin? Sorry if it sounds confusing, I just don't know how to explain it.

[@abcnech]

Great video ! Thank you for clarifying so many things in this video. I have a question . I used CD Baby distribute and release my song . When i register my song at BMY do I put CD baby as Publisher? ...

[@tommy-fu5sz]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[@bws1billsimpson362]

Great video. Myself and co-writer wrote a song, he recorded a demo that we can shop around to publishers and artists. . I can go ahead and register our song now with BMI, right? I leave the “publisher” section blank, and we can add a publisher and/or artist later on down the road if the song gets up by a publisher or recorded by an artist, right? Thanks very much. Great and super helpful video!

[@LeafErikson]

Definitely disagree with No. 5 on registering instrumentals as a producer, especially if you release an instrumental project and have the appropriate ISRC codes. The forgotten royalty is the live performance royalty. If you're doing beat showcases, beat battles, or if a DJ plays your music at a licensed venue... If the instrumental isn't registered, you can't collect those performance royalties through BMI Live.

[@IndieMusicAcademy]

I never said don't register your instrumentals. I see what you're saying but let's rephrase this to be a little more specific: 1) Yes, a fully finished and released instrumental track needs to be registered (regardless of what it sounds like or if you are a DJ or not). If you already have ISRC codes that means the track is finished and released. 2) A "beat" or (other bit of audio) that is for sale and not released, do not register because it's not in its final form. Hope that clarifies.

[@CALUXURYLISTINGS]

Thank you!

[@80sJayOfficial]

Hi, I am a songwriter who composes the music, writes the lyrics, writes & sings the melodies, and arranges all the chords of my songs. I record simple piano and vocal performances of my songs to copyright. I am not technically producing my songs, but since the songs are structurally complete, would these songs fall under a sound recording copyright or something else? Thank you 🎶 🎵

[@wilhelmrosenthal1305]

great content thank you

[@CodigoDiferente]

Can you register a not fully mastered song or does it have to be the final mastered version ?

[@luigicasiean373]

Cool! Thx, bro! :)

[@Abacus_CurrentC]

Thanks for all your great work out here. My question: does registering with the MLC negate the need for third party SongTrust?

[@shaddij]

Should I register instrumentals (background music) I composed for film and tv ?

[@MatthJenks]

Indie, do you have an opinion on change of BMI to become a for-profit PRO after decades of being non-profit? Is it still safe to use BMI after they're sold to a private equity firm? And finally, is it easy to switch songs over to ASCAP for royalties once BMI gets looted by investors and saddled with debt? Thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate your videos. (Long time subscriber here.)

[@trapslickk4836]

This really helped

[@storydrum]

We are thoroughly confused with all the places to sign up and what they each do. You talk in #6 about putting 200% into a box on BMI's form. How is this different from what Tunecore Publishing Administration does? Are you saying that all they are doing is collecting that extra 100%? Or do they collect something else? On another video, you talk about Sound Exchange, too, which seems to be different from what Tunecore collects, too. We are signed up to release on Tunecore for streaming. We have copyrights (though with a slightly different name than what we registered with BMI). So, also have questions about how to add alias' to BMI after making initial application? Sorry, it's a lot, but that's why we are overwhelmed! Thanks for your help. The song writing and recording are the easy part! LOL.

[@everyonexist]

thanks this will help PREXENTS