Lionel Messi vs. Virgil van Dijk Ballon d’Or debate gets HEATED! | ESPN FC

ESPN FC's Alejandro Moreno, Dan Thomas, Frank Leboeuf, Mark Ogden and Steve Nicol take on the major arguments after Barcelona’s Lionel Messi narrowly beat out Liverpool defender Virgil van Dijk for the 2019 Ballon d'Or award, including: should Messi care that he has gone above Juventus’ Cristiano Ronaldo with an unprecedented sixth win, (4:26) have players like Real Madrid’s Karim Benzema been ranked too poorly by the voters, (5:10) will PSG stars Kylian Mbappé and Neymar be the next players to dominate the Ballon d’Or discussions, (6:04) and is the Ballon d’Or meant to be for the best player in the past year or the best player on the planet.
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[@saroopsandhu1811]

Remember two years ago, people went crazy when Salah scored 44 goals. They said Salah had a GREAT season but Messi with 54 goals and 24 assists had a good season only? Nonsense

[@roysmith5711]

Yes, cause that is in the Premier League. Different ball game.

[@TheMihig]

@@roysmith5711 yeah exactly, game is faster in the PL so there are more counter attacks and scoring attempts. It's harder in La Liga because game is slower. Messi creates 90% of all Barca's goals and chances. If his teammates weren't so bad he would finish with 60 goals and 40 assists.

[@kra.7671]

@@roysmith5711 y'all delusional epl fans are sickening. Which player scored more goals against the top 6 epl teams last year? Hint: he doesn't even play in the epl..

[@Letsgame_1]

Brain defects

[@roysmith5711]

@@kra.7671 yeah, against Man Utd.

[@fabiomaldonado7765]

if salah or mane had 50 goals and 20 assists they would have won the ballon d’or over vvd too

[@justinoppermann3997]

Well many say CR7 had a shitty season while sxoring 30+ goals and 10+ Assists. These are solid numbers

[@sammysmartwizch3184]

@@justinoppermann3997 Messi and Ronaldo are judged by their own standards not by the standards of mere mortals. 30 goals are horrible for a lethal goalscorer as Cris is considered while Messi score 50 goals essentially from the midfield.

[@astro6789]

@@sammysmartwizch3184 fax, ppl tend to forget that Ronaldo is a pure goalscorer while messi is more then just a goalscorer

[@adelekeadedamola6234]

@@sammysmartwizch3184 but that doesn't mean people should say he was poor.

[@user-rs6sd5ii6c]

EXACTLY. if a person like sterling scored 51 goals with 20 assists while playing 50 games despite not winning the CL, it STILL wouldnt even be an arguement cuz that is CRAZY but cuz its messi this was so close to the point that van dijk was only 7 point behind. If this was sterling there would be a gap over 200 points. Messi competes vs himself and its just stupid to see.

[@bradenlandis2470]

Mans said “he only had 50 goals” ......

[@ayanbhattacharyya5748]

id like to see him score 50 goals for a pro football team

[@ayanbhattacharyya5748]

ikr

[@msfantastico4139]

And choked in CL Semi lol

[@sirswearsalot1813]

@@msfantastico4139 Bit before that he did smash Liverpool by scoring two goals against them. You guys seem to ignore that fact.

[@rroxez4915]

@@msfantastico4139 and liverpool choked the prem so whats your point. Youre ignorant if one match makes u ignore a players entire season

[@dribindropping7976]

51 goals 19 assist in 50 games. What a time to be Alive! Treasure the GOAT when he is still playing and stop meaningless debates.

[@kowxley1793]

@Ngm Mngw LOL, la liga is much harder than the Premier League mate

[@kowxley1793]

@@S7Vmv Funny I could ask you the same question. Both leagues are the hardest out of the big 5, but imo la liga is harder, because the bottom leagues actually put up a fight, 3 of them already beat Barcelona this season. Look at Liverpool, not obviously at their most impressive level but 12 wins out of 13...

[@kowxley1793]

@Ngm Mngw Hum. Liverpool/Chelsea last year? 25 points appart. 2nd and 3rd... now please..

[@Adz90]

Kowxley 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@airesnobeat]

@Ngm Mngw lol German league is easier... Ronaldo went to Italy and I don't see him outscoring any one, Coutinho went to Germany and is doing better than he was in Spain, Neymar went to France and became worst... its not about the league, its each persons own Talent, Lewa is great, but don't compare him to the goat Messi, no even to Ronaldo.

[@tobiolowokure2602]

Ale said he is “idiotic” 😂😂😂😂

[@TheMypurpleflower4u]

he is....look at his face when he was been told that..LOL

[@lxjump5722]

he really is. im so happy that ale said that, because maybe this premier league fangirl will think more than a sec now before he opens his mouth to tell us bullshit like that

[@kamilmalinowski1267]

Which minute did he say it ?

[@kentosdikembe3934]

Finished him there and then😂😂

[@nickagger534]

06:30 this is the example of why Messi is a victim of his own success. He scored more than 50 goals, whilst being injured for 2 months last season, and it's described as a good year? No, it's a UNBELIEVABLE year.

[@XhoowieX]

Yeah, all of those defenders and keepers don't deserve to be considered after scoring less than an attacker.

[@honestpenaldo]

Nick Jones he only missed 4-5 games ffs

[@alansmith4655]

XhoowieX Messi carries his teams. That’s the difference. Also, he’s a midfielder and a forward. He does everything in attack.

[@honestpenaldo]

Alan Smith no he doesn't, he mainly plays as the main striker of the team

[@christopher_silver]

@@alansmith4655 Carried his teams to what ?? a shitty league title where Real only had 68 points and a copa america loss. While Van Dijk carried his team to 97 points in league, the champions league and the nations league final

[@hwilliams9900]

So Messi has to score exactly 92 goals before he has a great year?

[@edwisongogo6326]

Yeah Mark just didn't fancy the Argentain winning it.

[@thirstybird883]

Maybe that's what some of these pundits want. When most of them were playing, I doubt whether they ever crossed 20 goals margin 🤣🤣

[@Bankks2388]

And Nicols is a Virgil d^** rider

[@saltysiam6895]

J C Considering Steve Nicol and his history and I don’t think he’s jealous of anything this team has...

[@wolf99000]

Love how people miss his point he said messi is the best player on the planet but last season the top performer in the team that won the biggest trophy was VVD if messi did something at anfield I would agree but you cannot say like these guys they lost 4 nil but it's the other ten players fault not messi who was also on the field

[@andresgarabito1856]

The man had 51 goals and 19 assists in 50 matches. Are you people brain deficient???

[@JESUSisComingBackSoon-ue9pc]

I remember Copa America

[@kritarthanand6922]

@@JESUSisComingBackSoon-ue9pc doesn't matter, he carried barca in cl,most goals in Europe, most goals in cl 2018 19..and in copa America he won bronze

[@tompopus]

Nobody is brain deficient, they both had a case for the award. City had to have an astronomical year for Liverpool not to win the EPL. And in my opinion head to head Liverpool beat barca in the champions league so in my opinion I'd give van diyk. Also considering their performances in their national team. Messi had an incredible year but van dijk more than deserved it too remember this guy was not dribbled past for almost an entire year doing it in wins.

[@vivekmenon5648]

@@kritarthanand6922 Messi is the king of bottling in the big matches.He never performs well,for example look at the UCL Semi final against Liverpool,Copa Del Ray final against Valencia and Copa America semi final against Brazil

[@kritarthanand6922]

@@vivekmenon5648 this award is for individual performance and Messi describe it well in last season ,and it's not team award...

[@mfanelomelusimsweli634]

6 Liverpool players in the top 20 and 3 of them in the top 5! And you still have guts to say VVD carried Liverpool to the CL glory, overlooking at what Mane, Salah and Allison did? VVD won the Primier League player of the season but he did not win the Primier League. Why Manchester city was just a better team than Liverpool, their crucial goals came from almost everyone in their team including their last goal by Vincent Kompani. So why are we failing to understand the difference between the best player and the best team. Messi is the best player and Liverpool is the best team made of VVD, Mane, Salah and Allison.

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

Exactly! Thanks for those stats.

[@amoakar7423]

Beautifully spoken and very well said. Logic and common sense right there

[@eldarion933]

Liverpool won the champions league. Did City win it? No.

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

Richard ok?

[@mfanelomelusimsweli634]

@@eldarion933 Liverpool did not win the Premiere Legea but VVD won the EPL player of the season.

[@joshuavidana1354]

They need to get that guy fired. What you mean by “The usual good year” on Messi. Dude that’s just nonsense. Tell me when someone come and scored 50 goals and 20 assists in a year consistently

[@kukie1932]

Dude yall acting like messi and Ronaldo are normal footballers

[@TheMypurpleflower4u]

he's british。。。

[@orion-project3987]

he just a stupid fangirl. just like that..

[@shams_shimul]

Just like Ale said, an usual good year for Messi is a career to many others. Man we've taken the genius of Messi for granted. We'll know in a few years what he is in this sport.

[@adrianfrr310]

Not to mention the fact that Messi starts most attacks from midfield up in Barcelona

[@rroxez4915]

Yow forget this. Can we talk about the guy that voted for alexandre arnold as number 1 😂

[@emmettramirez18]

Rroxez 49 and then greizmann #2 and ter stegen #5 😂😂😂

[@TheMoisterizer]

Rroxez 49 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rroxez4915]

@@emmettramirez18 i think that guy put aubameyang at number 2 lol

[@kidus_1010]

It pisses me off when journalists do stupid shot like that. That’s what skews the results and makes everyone complain. They’re just voting for their favorite players.

[@christmg4682]

That is what happens when you watch football in radio.

[@cityfan7658]

“Best player on the planet but not best performer of the year” potato

[@keyuantejohnson6266]

ronaldo way better than messi

[@zeeshanaziz1115]

@@keyuantejohnson6266 in your dreams 🤣

[@keyuantejohnson6266]

@@zeeshanaziz1115 ronaldo proven won the league and champions league in the premier league the best league in the world while messi has yet to prove himslef by moving to another league

[@cityfan7658]

Keyuante Johnson Messi doesn’t even play in the Prem and he has more goals against the top 6 sides than any player and Ronaldo played in that league lol

[@KG-qm7pb]

Keyuante Johnson was it hard to type that out with all the tears in your eyes?

[@adebolaidowu718]

If Salah or Mane had Messi's stat last season, would that dude say they just had an okay year? The dude is just so confused

[@abdizito8074]

He is biased. you can clearly hear that he a liverpool fan

[@muhammadfiqrullahbinmohdyu8259]

Ronaldo did score 46 goals for RM in 1 season. But not with man utd. Why? Because la liga is all about rm and barca, and sometimes atletico. But in EPL, even Leicester can win the league. Aspas scored like fun in la liga, did he do that in EPL, did Forlan did that in EPL?

[@adebolaidowu718]

@@muhammadfiqrullahbinmohdyu8259 the players you mentioned, Forlan and Aspas, were they at the peak of their careers when they were in epl? If you want to make a point, do it like someone who really knows about football Are the likes of Aguero, Torres, Silva, Carzola, Diego Costa, etc not from La liga as well? Why didn't you mention them as well. Y'all be acting like you have to play in England to be successful. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!

[@muhammadfiqrullahbinmohdyu8259]

@@adebolaidowu718 man, agreed there are lots of spain players success in England, and even better, player like Luis garcia, came from Barcelona b, xabi alonso, came from sociedad. But 1 you cant deny, la liga is not as competitive as epl. Im not saying you need to play in English to be successful. Messi still whatever all people say. Is only proven in la liga only as of now. If he really carries barca, why can't he do with Argentina? Ronaldo proved that when he brings portugal to win euro. Clearly Argentina have beter players than portugal

[@adebolaidowu718]

@@muhammadfiqrullahbinmohdyu8259 so Messi doesn't carry Argentina. For information, he has been to five five finals with Argentina cos was fortunate to win three of those finals doesn't mean he doesn't carry them. Do you think they could have even qualified for last world cup if not for Messi's hat trick on the final day? Between, who's Argentina's top scorer? How many Finals has Ronaldo been to in his life with his country compared to Messi? What you guys don't understand is that there is a difference between carrying a team and a team being organised. Is Ronaldo playing every role on the field for Portugal? So he didn't carry Portugal, the team was Organised and cos Ronaldo was in the team doesn't mean he carried them. What if Ronaldo was not there? I'm sure if Ronaldo was in Liverpool or Man City, you would have said he carried them too. And how does Messi and Ronaldo's performance hace to do with competitiveness of La liga in relation to Epl

[@saurabhdwivedi3566]

"Idiotic" the right way to describe this debate!!

[@MrShadyss]

According to these arguments Ramos should’ve won about 2 ballon d ors

[@megadonmaster]

Ramos should've won Ballon d'Or with his red cards, jungle tackles, Kung Fu fighting and unprofessional fouls. Go on Sergio.

[@MrShadyss]

@@megadonmaster uhuh and? Did he also not defend well and score last minute goals?

[@Nunobtww]

Ramos prime vs vvd prime 😛ramos all day

[@bsman321]

no, but Xavi, Schnider, Ribery and Van Dijk did... Messi should have 3 Balon dors and Ronaldo should have 3 of them as well. sadly this title has almost nothing to do with football

[@alexpopa5436]

@@bsman321 Actually Messi should've won at least 10 if the Ballon d'Or had more to do with football and less with advertising and the image of footballers.

[@Subihabsfan]

Ale is my boy! Man said facts with that fiery passion aha

[@milanreyes59]

Meh...he doesn't seem to know that Mahrez won AFCON in addition to FA Cup and EPL title.

[@asis1006]

La liga is far more difficult to be win than UCL Ask Zidane

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

Exactly. Oh RM is so great because they won the CL! Yeah? How can you be so great and not even win your own league?! How? Oh, cause Barca was greater over the long run, that's how. And anyone who watches Barca has known for awhile now, that Messi carries this team, the day he retires every Barca fan is going to be scared shitless about what comes next, me included.

[@nehal3674]

@@eddiecastaneda8918 Zidane only won la liga once because he rests a lot of big players in la liga so they are fresh for champions league, this is what gave them the edge

[@michaelalexander9386]

@@nehal3674 That's fucking smart but cheating a little bit.

[@tobiayo8146]

@@michaelalexander9386 No resting players is not cheating at all

[@michaelalexander9386]

@@tobiayo8146 i know it's not cheating but not every team does that so if you do that it gives an advantage.

[@mothusibasaini9731]

06:30 dumbest thing I've heard on KZbin 😂😂😂

[@prestongray3119]

mothusi basaini he’s dumb that’s all bro. 😂😂😂 he is just one of those who don’t like messi

[@mothusibasaini9731]

@@prestongray3119 he reminds me of Shaka

[@donald4364]

how? it makes perfect sense, and dont get me started to the fact that he didnt even talk about messi abysmal performance in the copa america. it makes perfect sense, but at the end of the day fact is that messi and VVD deserved it more than ronaldo, now the problem is that VVD kept saying messi should win it even though deep down he wanted to win it, he paid too much respect to messi and that is why messi won it and it reflects in the voting, only 7 points difference. VVD would have easily won it if he acyed like robben or griezemann when they were nominated for it respectively when they kept lamenting on why they should win it. im a ronaldo fan but, ronaldo didnt deserve it

[@mothusibasaini9731]

@@donald4364 did you hear what he said,forget about who won the balloon dor he practically said Messi had an average season,Messi was surrounded by shitty players for club and country,and look where he took Barcelona he won them the league and took the to ucl semi final,Virgil also deserved it but I believe the players that surrounded him for club and country where also brilliant which then worked against him

[@donald4364]

mothusi basaini he did not say average he actually used the word “good” don’t put words in his mouth, there is a huge difference between “average” and “good”

[@grimshady9960]

Respect go Alejandro for trying to put some sense into these people’s brains

[@bsman321]

LOL Moreno makes no sense. he's best argument is that if he had to pick a player in a schoolyard pick it would have been Messi and that Barca wouldnt have won La liga without him. I say they would have won(it was the weakest La Liga in 12 years) and no one can prove if im right or wrong and that's why it a dumb argument. Facts are that Barca didnt win the UCL(lost to Liverpool), didnt win the cup and Argentina didnt win the Copa(Messi scored 1 penalty and had 0 assists). on the other hand, facts that Van Dijk was part of the UCL winners who ended their season with the 2nd highest amount of points out of all the teams in Europe(10 more than Barca). also in 20 years when if ill tell my kids about the 18/19 stats it wouldnt be about Messi's goals, it would be about Van Dijk not letting anyone get past him the entire season. so even in individual stats Van Dijk deserves it more than anyone else

[@benito0072]

He is an idiot Alejandro, always worship Messi since he got into that ESPN studio

[@benito0072]

@@bsman321 tell these losers pliz. Criterias always change to suit messi for balon. No champions league no way he is winning it. Same reason he last won balon since 2015 coz barca has not sniffed UCL since 2015. Bullocks

[@NoPerspective4231]

@@benito0072 Pass the weed bro

[@edwisongogo6326]

Number 6, well deserved OVERALL INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES AND STATISTICS REFLECTS THE CLEAR AND OBVIOUS.

[@tgrazy2052]

“It’s tiring to see the same person winning the award all the time” find a player who scores 50+ consistently....find a player who decides the game. As a matter fact find a player that Van Dijk believes who should win it other than Leo! It’s Ballon’d’or for godsake! Not just anyone

[@marcostorres2329]

If Mane would go to la liga he would be scoring left and right as well. It's top defenders are old guys.

[@marcostorres2329]

@@debjitnag474 Yeah. Even now, the only defenders that are worth anything are in Atletico Madrid and some in Real. Every other defender is sub par or garbage. You just go around youtube trying to make arguments that were based on something around 2 years ago? Quite pathetic if you ask me.

[@xinavswok4607]

@@marcostorres2329 Ya La Liga is so pathetic that even mid-table La Liga teams are defeating the 2nd place PL team...We all saw what happened at the 2021 Europa League final.

[@clivenoronha9549]

Hey Marc Ogden. It goes to the best player not the most improved player. Ale killed it!

[@marioaf85]

Makes no sense. He is simply the best and he deserves it. Best player ever-Messi

[@michaeltrumph121]

Not even top 3 all time.

[@MooiiKwaaiiBoyy]

Michael Trumph VVD isn’t even top 5 best defenders all time...

[@supriyamaity882]

@@michaeltrumph121 cry harder 😭 😭😭 😭😭 😭

[@jvfvdjddvdbfjxj7720]

So what do you expect VVD to do in order to win the Ballon’dor? Score 50 goals a season? The ballon’dor is a joke, only for attackers.

[@supriyamaity882]

@@jvfvdjddvdbfjxj7720 tell me what VVD did more than Vidic did in 2008?

[@lamp6121]

Messi is simply the best, why would they give the award to someone else?

[@bsman321]

because in my opinion, Barca would have won La Liga without him. Facts are that Barca didnt win the UCL(lost to Liverpool), didnt win the cup and Argentina didnt win the Copa(Messi scored 1 penalty and had 0 assists). on the other hand, facts that Van Dijk was part of the UCL winners who ended their season with the 2nd highest amount of points out of all the teams in Europe(10 more than Barca). also in 20 years when if ill tell my kids about the 18/19 stats it wouldnt be about Messi's goals, it would be about Van Dijk not letting anyone get past him the entire season. so even in individual stats Van Dijk deserves it more than anyone else

[@alexpopa5436]

@@bsman321 Judging purely on stats is idiotic, who won what, who would've won what without whom. And you know what, I'm not gonna tell my kids kids about 18/19 stats, I'll show them videos of Messi playing in 18-19, that'll surely make bring them joy and enrich their horizon about what football really means and how it should be played. It's one thing to read three statistics at the end of a game, and another to watch 90 minutes of football. You do that and come back telling me who performed better in 18-19, Messi or Van Dijk.

[@alexpopa5436]

@@alluzzmystique1601 It's not about Messi being a forward. It's about Messi being Messi. No amount of skillful defensive play could compete with what Messi has done that year on an individual level.

[@alexpopa5436]

@@alluzzmystique1601 The best version of a defender is nowhere near a normal version of Messi, let alone 2019 Messi. It's unfair, but that's how it goes when you play in the same generation as such a footballer.

[@abus.328]

Messi almost had a great year ? This guy looks dead inside

[@dreamerboy2002]

😂😂

[@thaboxaba4321]

Ale Moreno is a Living Legend !

[@Lantronic]

He is a debate master. Congrats to him.

[@decoMasserati]

Lol..not a pundit..a Messi fan boy..

[@randomvidsnow991]

@Greek Paian2zeus and Stevie is a vvd d***rider

[@randomvidsnow991]

Ale Moreno schooled those english fools.... The fact dat messi does it Every year doesn't mean i should use it against him

[@tnt_pkk1311]

Dude at 6:30 can’t even comprehend his sentence. I can’t even see his teeth.

[@evermendozapy]

Ale's got it!! A good year for Messi is a CAREER for anybody

[@zarif7003]

Ale Moreno . You beauty 👏 Thank for shutting the other clown with sheer facts . Man actually said ' he only had 50 goals' 🤦

[@xCeezz809]

VVD had an amazing year but Messi as a foward put up unbelievable stats compared to any other foward. As a defender VVD wasn’t as good as Messi as a foward imo

[@presidave1931]

i wish more people saw this comment

[@jacklowry1914]

I mostly agree but Messi is always going to look better bc he scores goals. I mean VVD wasn’t dribbled past in the UCL or the Prem that’s with playing 2 games against Messi. But Messi and VVD are both incredible players.

[@compilationvideos9235]

Are u expecting a CB to outscored every one before you know that he has done his work

[@krys8494]

Worla Akplor not at all but its easy to see who carried his team more

[@compilationvideos9235]

@@krys8494 u guys agree on modric winning it last year saying he is a CMF and goals shouldn't be use but this season u all turn around saying Messi has more goals and assist than vvd, unbelievable

[@laureanoalfaro9351]

The level of idiocy of that fella talking about the "good" year of Messi is unbereable

[@laureanoalfaro9351]

@Unruly Rebel but is not Virgil's fault either, because he had a great year too, but I can't believe that he can't see that he is using Messi against Messi, or worse two finals that even lost, Messi was far from playing bad and best from his team and among the best from both teams involved...he is actually saying a good point about no clear rules, but on the other hand is an almost not written rules from last years that if Messi is not winning a treble, he doesn't deserve it, nor apparently having a more than great year...last season CLEARLY it was way MORE than just a great year...if he had won the treble having awuful two finals aparrently he deserved it a lot more and would automatically he would have enjoyed an exceptional season

[@dliteent.6554]

Learn to read and spell first

[@laureanoalfaro9351]

@@dliteent.6554 yeap my fault, that was some bad spelled and badly written rant...and I guess I've failed to make a clear point...but I still think is idiotic to not see how a formidable year messi had, without even talking about Virgil or any other player.

[@alerxztwistkid9953]

I imagined any other player having the exact year messi had. The goals, assists and incredible freekicks. He would've been voted best without any questions. How is Mahrez even number 10.

[@bsman321]

yes, lets say if you had a young 20 yo who played 43 games and scored 39 goals and had 17 assists but wasnt Messi you would have given him the title?

[@invictussupremus5832]

Ronaldo had a similar season in 2018 to what Messi had in 2019 and Ronaldo still lost out to Modric! So your argument is wrong

[@liolioliolio1719]

@@invictussupremus5832 they are biased twards the wc im a messi fan but i think modric didnt deserve it in rm he preformed soo poorly and the only highlight was the world cup which is only 7 games in that case origi should win it

[@rileyseid6664]

8:19 This mark guy is lost..."is it awarded to the best player of the year or the most outstanding player of the year"...isn't the best player the most outstanding player himself....SMH

[@FullBody]

Lol that’s not what he said, he asked is it the best player on the planet or the best player of that year

[@mohammedashiq084]

His point was what if the best player in the world had below avg stat like ronaldo has this season( btw ronaldo is not the best).

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

@@FullBody How can you be the best on the planet if you weren't the best that year???? Cmon bro.

[@adamamroun]

@@eddiecastaneda8918 Best player on the planet is defined by a fluid time frame. Best player of the year is defined by a specific calendar year time frame.

[@challengerjakku1943]

I keep saying it the Ballon d'Or should have a category for each position on the field. There is no way to measure a defenders impact vs a Strikers directly against each other its two completely different games. However in saying that who is more worthy of the Ballon d'Or? Messi, hes the best player in the world right now for one. But lets measure this on impact alone, if Liverpool didn't have Van Dijk would they have won the champions league? Possibly not? But then again he didn't exactly do much when they lost 3-0 away did they? However if Barcelonas current side didn't have Messi they would be fucked right now period. Messi is more important for his team than Van Dijk is to Liverpool, Van Dijk has the luxary of an amazing team behind him, whilst Messi has an aging Barca side to carry. Now you can argue but Messi has won it 5 times, Yeah and? The amount of times he has won the award is irrelevent, does he deserve the award? Exactly.

[@presidave1931]

someone will read this and still argue.. you are spot on

[@TheAntagonistx]

Spot on bro spot on! I have to screenshot this comment 😂

[@timguerra1694]

Impact you have for your team isn’t everything. Messi could play in this Liverpool team and still win the Balon D’or if he scored 100 goals in a year even if Salah and Mane each scored 75, making Messi’s 100 unimportant. Virgil went an entire season without getting dribbled past. That’s the best individual season that a defender has ever had

[@saskcom2400]

VVD did more in that 3-0 loss than Messi did in the 4-0 loss

[@keneg4087]

ThatGokuRoleplayer Both players deserved it imo. Van Dijk contributed to 20 clean sheets in PL, had 97 points only losing once, EPL player of the year, won the Champions League, reached the Nations League Final & was NEVER dribbled the whole season. He was arguably the best player in the best European team. He’s revitalized Liverpool & Netherlands. It’s actually a reasonable argument looking at it.

[@ado8942]

Messi was the best this year and deal with it Dude, he was the best even under Valverde so... What is wrong with these people

[@Kenjames10]

"He didn't win the UCL" Mark just doesn't get it, does he? It is an individual award.

[@MightyRoos]

Ville Jokela well another argument could be it’s the only competition both play in so it’s only one where you can compare performances.

[@andrewbello9784]

Ville Jokela and I bet if Messi did win the UCL you’d wouldn’t be saying that dumass

[@unknowdokit279]

@@andrewbello9784 ur dumb. If messi won the cl and wasnt top scorer ucl and at let say 25 goals this season then he shouldnt have won it. Its an individual award

[@invictussupremus5832]

Then why did Modric won it?

[@messicomps344]

@@invictussupremus5832 bias from the World Cup. That one competition messed everything up for Ronaldo and Messi. You don't just go from being named best in the world to not even top 30. Just shows how messed up up that award is

[@LSUOdyssey]

Ale Moreno baby!!! Gettin Spicy! I love this dood!

[@fianward4780]

Lonn Phillips best pundit on ESPN!

[@oscarroca4299]

Love Moreno,He makes the most sense...everytime!

[@Lantronic]

Agreed

[@saintpablo427]

Moses McCree salty

[@danielliverpool3844]

Love Ale's explosion!

[@ordinaryguy815]

representin!!

[@eldio2124]

Cristiano ronaldo sister and his fans are clowns. Van dijk was just joking. Strange people

[@ellianamorrison9173]

El Dio not always the right time for those kinds of jokes bruh

[@zubairmotala9204]

Sure van dijk was joking but you have people who love to instigate trouble

[@AdityaSingh-tj6mf]

Bro, he wasn't joking, these guys just got the meaning wrong. Was he a rival? He actually meant, I admire ronaldo so it isn't exactly a rivalry!!

[@honestpenaldo]

El Dio oh yeah but if it was messi, his asslickers will show no remorse AT ALL

[@keyuantejohnson6266]

ronaldo better than messi

[@BeTheSpecial]

They're actually saying the same thing. But one side translates "Outstanding" as a self-comparison, while the other side translates it as an overall comparison. Virgil Van Dijk exceeded Virgil Van Dijk's standards more than Messi exceeded Messi's standard. But Messi's standard is higher than Van Dijk's standard. For example, let's say Van Dijk's normal level is 7. This past year he preformed at 9, far exceeding his own standard. Messi's normal level is 10, and he preformed at 10, not exceeding his own standard, but still outperforming Van Dijk. So yes, if the prize is about exceeded one's own normal standard, Van Dijk should have won. But if it's about who preformed the highest, it's always going to be Messi

[@IkeandMike1]

Even VVD voted for Messi to win the Ballon d'Or

[@GeopoliticsDaily538]

Big ronaldo fan here👍🏻 van djyk had a great season and was Liverpool’s most important players in getting them where they did this years, he had a fantastic season and I can see why people think he deserved to win the ballon d’or, but cmon of course Messi deserved it he’s been amazing all year😂

[@realnesx]

If Barcelona won the champions league there would be no debate. Barcelona spent almost 300mill on 2 players coutinhio and dembelle and Expected big things. Barcelona have more super stars than Liverpool.

[@GeopoliticsDaily538]

realnesx what’s your point bro

[@billybob-fw3vr]

Only because Messi scores goals and vvd keeps them out

[@GeopoliticsDaily538]

billy bob Messi does a whole lot more than score goals but yeah do they do tend to favor attackers for these awards, and honestly I wouldn’t of complained wether it went to Messi, van djyk or even Ronaldo

[@emmettramirez18]

7:20 this is very sad that people actually hold messi’s standards against him. plus, this year was a very special year for messi with 50+ goals, la liga title, and carrying barca on his shoulders to a ucl semi final. he is the god on the game and deserves to win this award every year its up for grabs

[@sirswearsalot1813]

@Liberty or Death But before that didnt Messi smash 2 goals past them? Where was Van Dijk then?

[@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves]

@@sirswearsalot1813 When it really counted VVD beat HIM. Messi did nothing to him. Virgil van dijk pocketed Messi.

[@emmettramirez18]

Sir SwearsAlot thank u

[@emmettramirez18]

Moses McCree i think either couldve won it bc messi was brilliant this year and virgil was brilliant as well. im a barca fan so i watch messi week in week out but i should probably watch more of virgil

[@TheMypurpleflower4u]

@Liberty or Death and so?

[@debojyotisarkar8256]

6:30 this man don't watch Barcelona matches weekly surely.

[@afraudinjapan8012]

In the champions league semi final Messi laid 3 one on one vs the keeper for alba, Suarez and someone else

[@stjamie4evalit135]

Dembele bro and he fluffed it...

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

Exactly. Goes along with that pathetic "hasn't won the WC," argument, it's so elementary. If Higuain, etc... scores, suddenly Messi would've been the best? What matters are the stats. Messi dribbles, creates, assists, scores, better than anyone, every year, for the last decade.

[@abdelmalik8796]

When we take both legs it's be a 4:3 for liverpool, messi scores twice and create 10 chances. where is the logic vvd was better than him in this 2 legs?

[@Pamastrike]

Chocker. Pecho frio. No leadership qualities. Puking in the locker room during half time. Quits the NT because he missed a penalty kick. That's Lionel "The ripper of Leganes" Messi. A mentally weak guy who can't performe away from home unless he is sorrounded by equaly world class players and the oponent isn't Getafe

[@realnesx]

One goal was a great free kick you can't blame Virgil for that and the second goal was a tap in that came of the bar and fell to Messi's feet, so what are you on about. In the second leg he had no free kick and didn't get a lucky tap in, so Messi went missing at Anfield. It's unfair to compare goals and assists stats of attackers and defenders.

[@abdelmalik8796]

@@Pamastrike So tell me a big club messi didn't score against. I am waiting

[@Chris-yr2od]

Gary exactly most of the game Leo was isolated with the ball past Liverpool’s half with no help. He was making runs all alone most of the time trying to create something, but it’s imposible to do a 1v4 everytime

[@abdelmalik8796]

@@realnesx Its 3:0 last min 3 player surrounded messi and he shows vision and finds dembele,he goes one on one and fail. So why u blame messi for that ? And why you blame messi to get 4 goals in the second leg, is he a defender ? 2 goals and 10 chance create in 2 games this means he is better than him because he do his job and vvd nearly failed when they get so 3 goals as a defender

[@Hawkk2003]

This man said where was Messi in the second leg but where was van dijk in the first leg 🤔

[@mariusrusu80]

Valverde fuck.d up..2 and leg..@3-0..don't need to score..

[@deeptiricardomohapatra83]

Who went through??

[@rbar6501]

Ronaldo also single handedly destroy atletico.

[@ramsesgalindo9549]

@@rbar6501 "single handedly" 😂 bro the man got fed 3 goals!! props to him for finishing, not trying to discredit him, it was an awesome game but dont play bro, hes one of the best goalscorers of all time but he didnt "single handedly" beat atletico

[@nvmerouno]

Somebody explain to me how Ronaldo is ahead of Sadio. I’ll wait. Disclaimer: I fucking hate Liverpool.

[@inferno7156]

I love Ronaldo but this is shocking.

[@fernandopizarrovillagarcia6992]

@@inferno7156 Because of being the MVP of Serie A

[@eliaschavez7015]

Fernando Pizarro Villagarcía didn’t deserve mvp of serie a

[@midniteking1]

Malone cuz mafia of Italy aka)Cr7 mom)😂😂😂😂

[@eldio2124]

Don’t want to play the race card. But they never market towards western African players. Mane isn’t as marketable so the journalist just vote for the most popular player. Unfortunately

[@XqCv178]

*Only and only Alejandro makes sense on this show*

[@mango3468]

actually true

[@MemeGang420]

Yep. Only him. Sometimes Stevie when he's not talking about Liverpool, because when anything involves liverpool then he is biased

[@wavyharbdul5078]

💯

[@mariusrusu80]

reminds me what Calpello said..earlier" Ronaldo hasn't dribbled a defender in 3 yrs"..

[@mathias7541]

marius rusu except he did lol

[@mariusrusu80]

@@S7Vmv tell taht to F Capello he knows him well

[@yesno9834]

Messi was the best player of the year - end of discussion.

[@thetruth-gy2lc]

Never have Mark on again lol

[@abenaexcell3080]

Lol please

[@goalking7778]

fr tho he only ever talks rubbish

[@youngking1276]

Meanwhile I’m just mad Ronaldo somehow got more votes than Mané

[@ezramwampote1860]

Hahahahah You have a point

[@evermendozapy]

Mane should of had more votes than VVD...

[@piustafadzwanyika5971]

6:30 does this guy know what hes talking about

[@MemeGang420]

He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

[@18Capri19]

Alejandro Moreno👍👍👍I'm with you...

[@dhruvmishra2221]

Imagine if mane had 51 goals and 19 assists last season. will they still say that he had a good but not a great year?

[@amariebbin8153]

Also let's be honest if vvd wasn't at pool or and epl he wouldn't have gotten near the ballon dor

[@707romo707]

amari ebbin Same could be said if Messi played in any other team in Spain not called Madrid or Barca

[@707romo707]

Ty Txnnick who was talking about him?

[@leonidesmejia7355]

Same for chucky Lozano ... if he played for Barca or Madrid he would have had 2 ballon d or at minimum

[@MM-jc7uv]

Toribio Romo not really. Anyone who scores 51 goals and 20 assists in a season where he pretty much IS the attack deserves it regardless of what team they play for ( in a decent league at least)

[@billybob-fw3vr]

If he played for Barcelona or Real Madrid he would of win it

[@abhi4142437039]

6:20 This guy is a troll

[@uwayezuoctave6590]

I think you should quit smoking 6:30 😂 😂 lol

[@bbonebk]

Fun fact: Messi was the best player of the competition won by VVD. 5x MOTM VS VVD's 1x

[@haula251]

Hamilton Júlio César that’s true.. Messi got robbed

[@alyssasummer176]

You do great one season, you're good. You do great every season, you're Lionel Messi.

[@apurbalalmukherjee1994]

It's only in the club football

[@alyssasummer176]

Yeah I'm talking about season

[@ganeshpacharu9331]

Ale is probably the only one with some sense out of the whole panel☠

[@gnittegdellort]

Criteria: best player There is only one best player. Messi.

[@VideoAssistantRafi]

You speaks sence. It's a crime that Leo won it after 4 years. By far best player of the planet

[@ciamciaramcia99]

Messi's motivation is obvious. One more ballon d'or and he can summon Shenron dragon to grant him a wish.

[@obrianthompson3377]

Tom Ash which is to win the next worldcup genius idea

[@mystic_ninja1174]

Savage X3 no it’s to win ALL the world cups :o

[@thomasnichol4138]

😂

[@user-wf5hh9fz5d]

You call that motivation? He’s cocky as f.

[@FadzliRealtor]

8:53 "It is easy to give it to Ronaldo and Messi every year" Why does this guy keep bringing Ronaldo up? Clearly not watching or even following Ronaldo for the past few years.

[@muhammadbilaltariq8886]

dan laying some truth, that is refreshing from his usual shtick

[@amirhash7390]

If Van Dijk deserves the ballon dor, Ramos has deserved a few, along with vidic, and fergie

[@abenaexcell3080]

Facts

[@Shubham10SrP]

Varane should have won last year then. Champions League and the world cup winner.

[@harrismazari5484]

Ramos?? Lol the guy who is at fault for like 3 or 4 goals atleast every season? Overrated defender. Yeah he is a good leader and can score goals but can't defend to save his life.

[@amirhash7390]

Harris Mazari you’ve got to be kidding right, I can’t remember the last time Ramos made a mistake in the defense, that wasn’t caused by others not doing their job

[@harrismazari5484]

@@amirhash7390 I propose you go and get your memory checked because he literally made a stupid defensive error last game and gave aaayg a penalty.

[@shehumusa5761]

Am so happy to see someone defending the greatness of messi,some people are just either ronaldo fans or European fans and dislike seeing messi a non European or a non Ronaldo winning the world best.

[@tusharagarwal2129]

I think Liverpool bottled the 10 point lead in the league and Vvd was in that team. But people talking that Messi lost one match. Please explain

[@ishrupdhillon4492]

Van Dijk wouldn’t be the player he is without Alisson behind him & Trent & Robertson

[@eldio2124]

That’s a farce. Did you even know who trent and Robertson were before van dijk joined liverpool? Just stop it. Van dijk made them better not vice versa

[@ishrupdhillon4492]

El Dio I knew Robertson & didn’t hear much about Trent but there’s no way a CB can play like that without knowing his full backs have the pace to get back all the time & his keeper can bail him out, I’m not saying VVD isn’t good, he is, but if Liverpool had Karius/Mignolet & Clyne/Moreno as full backs still VVD would’ve made 0 impact

[@danaddo1912]

I support you 100%. People are turning blind eyes on the 1 v 1 saves Allison made at Anfield. If just 1 would have gone in at Anfield, would this people be talking about VVD now. Am shocked at these people who are hailing VVD. Liverpool played collectively good. And Allison made a last minute save against Napoli last year which saved them. If not for that last minute save Liverpool would have gone out in the Group stage.

[@inthedark8400]

@@ishrupdhillon4492 he made an impact last season with Karius in goal.

[@demircunningham1437]

So den wud messi score all those goals if he didnt hav Suarez sacrificing himself with unselfish runs? Or if he didnt hav the Barcelona system backing him. Stop making excuse for another n over looking the other smh

[@SouradeepSBK]

Ale killed all of them XD

[@RazerGonth]

Lionel Messi played 8 matches at one point in the Champions League, had 7 MOTM and 5 Player of the Weeks.

[@abhinavaditya9433]

6:30 is the worst argument i've seen against Messi. Seriously what was that? Ale Moreno is 100% right! Van Dijk had an excellent season which was Ballon D'or worthy but saying that he was more influential to Liverpool's success than Messi was to Barcelona's is bogus. Messi was and still is in a Barcelona team with a mediocre manager. Ever since Iniesta and Xavi left, Messi has been doing the job of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta for barcelona. 2018/19 Liverpool was one of the best football teams i've ever seen in the past decade. Van Dijk was the final element needed to make the team great. All thanks to the genius of Klopp. Messi on the other hand saves a Barcelona team with no creativity week in week out.

[@rumpelja4922]

Mahrez won the Afcon and he was the reason they won, y’all forget that already.

[@faheemawan8889]

so best performer of the year is van dijk: as van dijk himself said some times you have to sit back and admire greatness, that initself is an answer to premier league players pundits and also full english media.

[@thewizardtv1300]

faheem awan vvd was the best player last season he even sent messi home out the cl crying

[@edwisongogo6326]

@@thewizardtv1300 Ballon d'Or is an INDIVIDUAL award.

[@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves]

@@edwisongogo6326 No it isn't that's a misconception "it's the best player within a team concept" . How is that so hard to understand!!! It's not that difficult to figure out. Whoever is the best player in the best team wins the award in layman's terms. Messi should not have won it.

[@edwisongogo6326]

@@IHateThingsThatEverybodyLoves Ballon d'Or is an Individual award by the fact that an INDIVIDUAL is on stage on the ceremony receiving it, but the sense of the recent Criteria it hasn't been judged as an INDIVIDUAL award but it is an individual award, it's just Idiologically given based on team success recently, and yeah Messi did deserve it.

[@watwat1004]

@@thewizardtv1300 VVD sent messi home or origi and wijnaldom did?? And who also put Barca up 3-0 first leg against liverpool by scoring a brace and could of had 2 assist against the best defender in the world Messi did sir. When it came to attacking and scoring messi was the guy in that semifinal for barca. When it came to defending in in those two legs in wasnt only vvd, especially in that second leg. Allison, Robertson, Alexander Arnold, Fabinho, Matip, Milner, Henderson all played a role in that clear sheet as well. So stop reaching with irrational thoughts.

[@cap.delvin]

If a Random guy scores 20 goals and 5 assista and he had a good year..messi has 50 goals and 28 assists and he too has just a 'good' year..maaahn

[@eldio2124]

A defender will never win this award again unfortunately

[@keano9933]

El Dio de ligt MAYBE

[@nickagger534]

@@keano9933 I understand the hype around De Ligt but if you've watched Juventus this season then you'll know he's a million miles away from winning a Ballon d'Or, he's made some key mistakes in big games

[@yurlim]

Van haven't done anything special , Ramos have been doing this for a decade now.

[@eldio2124]

Trashley Young he’s average

[@barfran17]

Whenever Messi and Ronaldo stop playing I’m sure the award would be distributed more throughout every position.

[@Robwilli]

Messi won it very well deserved whether you like it or not. 🤷‍♂️

[@Gfresh844]

That guy is typical of someone who thinks everything about his team is the best and the league they play in, yet doesn't watch other leagues. In no way was Van Dijk a better individual than Messi. Liverpool's success was due to a team effort. Van Dijk not only had to rely on the others around him performing, yet the comeback against Barca wouldn't have happened without his teammates goals. Also, Messi was a huge reason for that lead that his defensive teammates chucked away.

[@barry9817]

No way., without VVD Liverpool would have won nothing last year and would not be clear at the top this year,,,

[@trekkplatoon1090]

Shoutout to moreno ..Dude said the actual facts

[@kingjaffri87]

6:20 WTH is this clown?

[@preyashpatel3270]

The journalist at 6.25 is a clown🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@micahkiyimba8641]

Weird that people say Van Dijk had a better year: Messi had 56 goals in 46 games, won La Liga, 2nd in Copa Del Rey, Semifinals in Copa America while Van Dijk 2nd in Premier League, Won UCL, 2nd in Nations League. Not much difference, as was shown by the voting

[@manavmehta7907]

3 Liverpool fanboys, 1 neutral, and 1 logical sane minded guy.

[@MisterZayats]

That guy at 6:30 was joking right? right? plz tell me it was a joke Because that was the stupidest thing I've heard on KZbin besides someone saying Ronaldo actually deserves his 5 ballon d'ores.

[@amirhash7390]

Um, he does

[@eaxposed9094]

"Without Van Dijk, Liverpool would not win the Champions League" Might be true, however they had a very good side and in the one important KO stage game they had to play without Van Dijk against Bayern, they held up very well. Besides, wasn't it with Van Dijk they lost to Red Star and wasn't it Alisson really who saved them from being knocked out of the group stage against Napoli when he made that save on Milik's shot. Now the thing is, yes, Barcelona did not win the Champions League. But here comes the thing. Without Messi, Barcelona (last season) wouldn't have even made it out of the group stage. The only reason, like said by the guys, they even won games in the group stage, won the knockout games and went up 3-0 against Liverpool was because of Messi. The fun part; the game Barcelona won 3-0 against Liverpool was the most undeserved scoreline ever, Liverpool were so much better and the reason they lost was; Messi. The second leg Liverpool weren't even playing that good (and Barcelona not that bad), yet Liverpool won 4-0. It shows you that Barcelona, despite on paper having a great squad and even have had some great games without Messi, they deeply rely on him game after game and we see the same thing this season where even with another year of haiving improved the squad depth, Barcelona still look lost in the majority of the games and depend on Messi to save them. Barcelona in CL last year: 4-0 PSV - Hattrick Messi. 2-4 Tottenham - Goal Coutinho (great pass Messi), 2 good finishes by Messi after setting the attack up himself - English fans/media could not stop praising Messi and some even called it the BEST PERFORMANCE THEY HAD SEEN (and in reality it wasn't even his top 10, but if the BT Sport team themselves think that was the best Messi they had EVER seen perform, doesn't that actually mean Messi had risen to another level (again) last season? 2-1 Inter - Messi injured. 1-1 Inter - Messi injured. 2-1 PSV - Amazing Messi goal and an assist for Piqué's goal. 1-1 Tottenham - Messi played 30 minutes in a game not important anymore (for Barca) thanks to the points won in the previous games. 0-0 Lyon away 5-1 Lyon home - Messi brace (panenka and amazing solo goal), 2 assists for goals by Dembélé and Piqué. 0-1 United away - Messi great run and assists for Suárez (or Shaw OG). 3-0 United home - Great Messi goal, another goal by Messi (De Gea error), great pass Messi to set up Coutinho's goal - Once again Messi being hailed by our English media friends (BT Sport) after another incredible performance. 3-0 Liverpool home - Goal at a time Liverpool were coming close to scoring + incredible free kick goal to "seal" the win, set up multiple teammates to end the game completely (Suárez, Vidal and the infamous Dembélé miss). Once again our English friend could not stop hailing Messi, Some of them calling him THE GOD OF THE GAME after that performance. 4-0 Liverpool away - Creates 3 1v1 opportunities for Coutinho, Alba and Suárez when down 1-0, no goals. This game has suddenly made Messi an unworthy winner and erase all the performances and moments above in the Champions League and in his season. Without Messi, there was a big chance they would've been enjoying Europa League and the club itselfs know it and the club itself was living in a similar situation this season in the CL group stage. And they have had it even harder in La Liga, yet still are first because of one man who wasn't even playing for 2 months of this season, yet is in the topscoring charts and in the top charts when it comes to assists, dribbles, chances created and so on, you know the rest. This also proves that Messi did indeed perform outstandingly in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AS WELL, something Mr. Mark Ogden is making seem like he did not by saying "But did he perform outstandingly in the Champions League?". Messi was voted player of the week like every game he was playing in the Champions League, yet this guy thinks he was not outstanding in the CL? I named the games above, everyone was praising him after almost every game.

[@swenhang]

What did the guy on blue shirt smoking..i need that too.

[@monsterkillsports3499]

lets be honest .. MESSI ALL THE LIFE

[@emiriega]

Van dijk and Messi should play 1 on 1 for the award, how 'bout that?

[@keano9933]

Pickle Bill Hixxx 😂😂😂

[@Drips14090]

Van dijk would keep running backwards because hes afraid of being humiliated by Messi lol

[@Ivan-ce4of]

Of fifa?

[@honestpenaldo]

MateoFilmZ shut up

[@chingwangk9922]

😂😂😂😂

[@sehajmahajan4683]

"Piers Morgan should chill out a little bit and stop thinking he's a judge on everything" 😂😂😂

[@18Capri19]

Messi deserves Ballin d'or... He's unique no one can play like him💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻Wish he can take more till he retire... May be every year... End of Debate🤐🤐🤐

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

That's the other thing isn't it? No one plays like Messi. But VDD? Plenty of defenders play LIKE him, but he was outstanding above the other defenders. But Messi? Not only is he outstanding and above the rest, NO ONE plays quite like Messi does.

[@toreall101]

Ziyech will be in the running for ballon d'or very soon. Mark these words.

[@lychon77]

notoreeuzz 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@beevassubba9156]

You can say van dijk deserves But you can't say messi doesn't deserve.

[@zeeshanaziz1115]

Yup 👌🏻

[@aryankurdiiii]

Imagine being so good that people are sick of seeing you win a trophy hahahahaha

[@lucasteixeira4838]

He onLy hAD 50 gOaLS

[@nickagger534]

No one was outraged when Sergio Ramos didn't win it after winning every single trophy that ever existed and scores in finals and semi finals.. So what's so special about Van Dijk winning 1 trophy?

[@eldio2124]

Logical fallacy. Ramos has never had as good as a season as Van dijk did. Name me the year and I’ll easily debunk it. Yes he won trophies. Largely because of ronaldo’s greatness

[@Menttos226]

You mean Pique in 2010 ? World cup + la liga/ UCL with barcelona. Messi was better, that's why he won.

[@keavonjohnson4073]

@@eldio2124 i guest he won international trophy because of ronaldo to

[@eldio2124]

Keavon Johnson In those years that they won the euros and World Cup he wasn’t the best player in the world. I like ramos, and his legacy is better than van dijk’s of course. But he has never had one single year better than what van dijk had last season

[@keyuantejohnson6266]

@@eldio2124 ramos way better than vvd

[@rahanjazayeri6282]

I wanted VVD to win cuz I thought it’d be cool to give it to a defender. But it’s harsh to say that Messi didn’t deserve the award bc he was stellar, and was phenomenal this year. And ur hearing this from a huge Ronaldo fan, but Messi deserved it this year, regardless of bias to attackers winning the award

[@Gombi787]

One Year they give the Ballon D Or to the highest goal scorer, another year they give it to the best player of the champions league, the other year they have it to Modric who won the champions league but failed to win anything else or score 50 goals that season. What is the prize based on? Popularity? talent? Goals scored? Champions league or just being CR7 or MESSI? That’s the mayor confusión

[@saintnico6268]

Tbh Steve and Mark don t have any clue about football do they !

[@biospiration6782]

The last point made it clear that Messi is always being judged upon his standard not Others...

[@trumpetmusic5672]

If any of these clowns had 10% of Messi's success when they used to play, they would be calling themselves the goats.

[@dantewidh8720]

If Messi play in Liverpool they win both CL and PL. If VVD play in Barcelona they don't even qualify to CL without messi. Challenge me