Lionel Shriver: Trump could fix America’s immigration crisis | SpectatorTV

[@anns.7683]

I’ll be voting for a candidate who supports building the wall and closing borders.

[@plumlogan]

At this point, there's only Biden, Haley, and Trump - only one of those fits that criteria

[@voncarlowitz3506]

As a European living in Europe, I agree 100% with you..! This is what we also need: walls and the immediate stopping of mass migration. The past islamic terror attacks were perpetrated by radical muslims who came into Europe with the so-called refugee flow. Even the majority of 4th generation muslims born in European countries can't be trusted..

[@mfoco1]

​@@plumloganand that is NOT Trump. Check your facts.

[@plumlogan]

@@mfoco1 Trump doesn't support building the wall and closing the border? I'll admit he's softer on legal immigration than I'd like, but I doubt that's what OP was referring to.

[@markg9765]

@@mfoco1 That is Trump, check your facts. Another one with Trump derangement syndrome.

[@DavidEdwards-e6m]

Both Biden and Sunak should face charges of dereliction of duty

[@Denise_2262]

Treason

[@DieFlabbergast]

That is a military offence: it does not apply to politicians. It would be unenforceable in any case. How do you define "dereliction" or "duty" in the required legally watertight manner? It can't be done.

[@smelltheglove2038]

8 to 10 million? Try 16 to 30 million but we really don’t know because most of the people aren’t going through border patrol.

[@Land-of-reason]

Interesting. This must be driven by Soros, the EU and globalists like the WEF.

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@Land-of-reason and the Catholic Church. It’s all NGOs.

[@annabellelee4535]

10 million in the past 3 years. We have a significant amount of illegal aliens in this country.

[@lesterscates774]

I heard it was high as 55 million.😮

[@annabellelee4535]

10 million is the amount allowed through since Biden took office. Those that didn't get border patrol concierge service aren't part of the number.

[@philippedesaulniers]

Of course I agree with the comments that it's astounding that Ms. Shriver can be so lucid about the horrific atrocity happening on the southern border, and yet still was a Biden voter. But I'm grateful that she understands the gravity of the issue, and has articulated the issue far better than most conservatives.

[@gerhard7323]

Illegal migration has become a darkly cynical political football throughout the wealthy West. Any objections or simple calls for at least some level of control have long been cynically reduced to charges of naked 'racism' by the perennial virtue signallers of the well to do left. All the more ironic given that it always most impacts the poorer ends of society in terms of wage suppression and increased competition for limited resources like jobs, housing, education, access to health etc and largely serves to benefit its upper echelons without them directly experiencing any of its downsides.

[@trickyric67]

illegal immigration destroyed the poorer communities that were thriving under Trump.. It's simple, bring in more people to compete for their jobs and overcrowd their schools.. it's really pretty basic. The people on the bottom of the economic chain and educational chain get hit the hardest. A large percentage of those communities are black.

[@gerhard7323]

Yep, but for some reason these people always get away with, yet again, turning something into a simplistic racial issue when it is far more complex and nuanced than that. It's basically a way for one group to shut down the conversation. A sensible adult conversation that needs to be had and we're still not having.

[@mabit]

I love that the only stat they could say Trump was bad was in 2020. Its amazing how they memory hole that 2020 was an unusual year with Covid. All stats for normality should be ignored from 2020 as nothing was normal.

[@sarrhodes8277]

Nothing's been normal since either, you might have added.

[@AtticusBleep]

It was nonsense anyway. Trump very nearly brought it to an end.

[@greyandblue4323]

Seems odd how someone who recognises a serious problem with immigration, requiring huge change to solve, feels huge pain in accepting the person who can most likely achieve that. TDS ? I wouldn't have believed it of this woman yet seems even she has fallen for it.........

[@scolexuk]

Because immigration is not the only issue. Indeed, policy is not the only issue. As head of state, the US president serves a symbolic and ambassadorial role as well as being head of the executive. I would vote for Vivek R without compunction, because he values reason, decorum, and thoughtfulness in ways that Trump actively does not. In fact, Trump's personal style brings his policy leanings into disrepute. This is the source of Shriver's (and my) despair. And since she clearly isn't going to be supporting Biden in the next election, it's hard to see what you think she has "fallen" for.

[@simoncoco1]

​@@scolexuk I find this perspective utterly bizarre. It was forgivable to 2017 to indulge the fantasy of an apocalyptic Trump Presidency due to the inherent dishonesty and misrepresentation of reality by the MSM. However, I having luxuriated in a 1st term of relative world peace and economic prosperity after a previous 16 years which saw the invasion of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, an international financial collapse, the end of Lehmanns etc... To pretend that Trump's unconventional leadership and communication style did not lead to the planet enjoying a much needed respite from the death, destruction and existential chaos that both preceded and succeeded his Presidency can only be described as Demented or Deranged.

[@trickyric67]

@@scolexuk Under Trump the world was a peace. He conducted the Abraham accords. America (who is the leader of) was energy independent and American minorities were seeing an economic boom at a higher percentage than the country (which was also booming) Iran was boxed in the corner and China bent the knee to Trump. Oh, and Europe was finally paying their NATO bills.. What exactly is better under Biden's presidency?

[@trickyric67]

@@scolexuk Oh, and the last 4 democrat presidents - Carter was an antisemite who allowed the Ayatolah to take Iran and destabilize the middle east. Clinton is a child rapist who deregulated banking that led to the subprime crisis. He allowed Fanni and Freddie to be used as a political tool. Obama created the DEI mess and identitly politics that is destroying America on top or wrecking health care and also propping up Iran... And now we have corrupt pedo Joe... the entire world is on fire, inflation is out of control. Jews are being attacked on Ivy league campuses and 10 million people, probably half of which are criminals, have flooded into the country..

[@Martin-jd3oc]

Well, that’s obvious. Trump is incredibly divisive. He is unstatesmanlike, lies more than just about anyone and he’s narcissistic. But he IS the only one with a chance to get elected that has expressed any interest in solving the immigration situation.

[@mcresearch]

12,000 migrants crossing per day in one location is bonkers. What the hell is BIden's game?

[@trickyric67]

it's the long game. They get in and have babies. Those babies grow up to vote democrat because they can be indoctrinated from childhood.. turn texas blue.. the democrats become a monarchy with no opposition. And America falls

[@Bill-uf6os]

So women never have children.

[@fred24715]

Votes

[@annabellelee4535]

Democrats do well in banana republics. Poor people can be manipulated and intimidated more than middle class people. Dems want to be feared and they want to rule, not govern.

[@Nachos_with_a_slice_of_lime]

There is literally a bite of him saying “unrelenting stream of immigration nonstop. Folks like me of European descent will be in the absolute minority… And that’s not a bad thing that’s a source of our strength.” Civilized countries that is called jen oh cide

[@Martin-jd3oc]

It’s hovering around 2,5 million migrants to Europe annually over the last several years (since 2015 in fact) which means it is more than comparable to the US.

[@simondymond8479]

Indeed. And that is if you base the comparison on official figures. Which in general are outright lies.

[@samanthaclugston6685]

COME ON TRUMP 2024👍🇬🇧

[@roygardiner2229]

"Why aren't they on the same side?". In my opinion the answer is that one side wants to stop the illegal immigration (Texas) and the other side (Washington DC) does NOT.

[@Land-of-reason]

The DEMOCRATS are socially engineering the population - ethnic cleansing.

[@johnl5316]

the US does Not have to follow any international asylum agreement.

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

She didn't say that

[@annabellelee4535]

Actually if the US followed the asylum agreement of requesting asylum in the first safe country and not allowing economic asylum, we wouldn't have any problem. They would be in Mexico or South America.

[@AlanM97]

But Lionel, you supported Biden and democratic candidates, don’t understand why you thought it would be otherwise. 🙋‍♂️.

[@jgoddard0757]

It’s worse in fact. During the campaign the dems made it clear what they’d do. Yet people voted dem anyway then acted surprised by the outcome. Lol, wouldn’t that be the defn of stupid?

[@edwardmclaughlin7935]

Lionel Shriver voted for Biden. She sees what the Biden administration has done regarding immigration, and she deplores the situation. Yet she says she will vote for Biden again. Could anyone explain the logic here?

[@DieFlabbergast]

I respect Shriver's opinions on a whole host of subjects, but THIS one has me stumped.

[@edwardmclaughlin7935]

@@DieFlabbergast Same here. She's so astute and almost always finds ways to express things I'm thinking but failing to put into words. But the Biden/Trump thing seems to have her run-ragged.

[@top20research]

Using statistics from 2020 or 2021 is completely meaningless, since these years were completely out of the ordinary.

[@Bill-uf6os]

Good for Texas. Resources are not unlimited. They are not state militia. What is Texas supposed to do. Just welcome them through the border.

[@jackominty3633]

I stopped my subscription to the Spectator specifically because they were giving this woman money, after she declared that she preferred Biden over Trump. I thought - I'm not paying for this.

[@ianrobinson6788]

Strikes me as being a bit stupid……..

[@jackominty3633]

@@ianrobinson6788 Think what you like - I don't give money to organisations that spend it on shit I am against. I thought the Spectator was a conservative paper, yet they fawn over this fucking idiot who hates Trump so much - obviously for emotional reasons - that she proudly admits to voting for someone as filthy as Biden. I'll keep my money, thanks.

[@Antonia-t3p]

Glad to see i'm not the only one who remembers that. The interviewer obviously letting Shriver and the rest of the anti Trumpers off the hook . This issue is more than a decade old and yet she talks as if its only just happened

[@Bill-uf6os]

Well done.

[@elkpaz560]

I couldn't believe it after all she had said about the political correctness madness.

[@karlernstbuddenbrock371]

Me first comment? Love your show guys! From South Africa.

[@stephenkenney5708]

Just goes to show how some of the brightest people can demonstrate poor judgment.

[@TroyYoung-jt2gg]

❤

[@sarrhodes8277]

Reading the comments - she's right. That's what's convinced me we're up for a political earthquake in the UK too, come Election Day.

[@kareneDallas]

We must end birthright citizenship. We must fix the asylum process to stop the rampant abuse. We must end the ability of businesses to hire illegal immigrants.

[@MarkyMark9mm]

No. He had a chance. The pen is mightier than the sword.

[@TheSpoovy]

Mass immigration benefits the bottom line national gdp figure. This is why every politician talks tough and does nothing. Until gdp is less important to politicians' reelection chances than immigration, nothing will change.

[@vinnybobby4015]

Trump 2024

[@wazkiedi]

Why do dramatic, "...oh it pains me to even say it but only Trump could fix the problem" calm down.

[@rolfewert6154]

Last tenure Trump had not solved the problem …. why next time ?

[@gerhard7323]

For all his myriad faults I think most of us understand that Trump is going to be elected president in 2024 Lionel. What we don't yet know is whether the US establishment will let him BE president in 2024 this time round.😂

[@Chocolatecandybars1979]

Trump is going to be president us regular people in America are so tired of Biden and all of this the great replacement theory doesn’t sound so crazy now does it

[@JanKozak-ww6zz]

No telefon

[@Land-of-reason]

The scaling needs to be worked out to make a comparison, however, it does appear to be similar to what is happening in the UK. The behaviour of Rishi Sunak on this matter mirrors Joe Biden and the DEMOCRATS. Something is urgently required in both countries which seems to boil down to a complete change of government. The problem in the UK is that the opposition appear to be worse. In the US you need TRUMP whilst in the UK we need REFORM UK.

[@trickyric67]

the UK is worse.. it's land mass is tiny compared to the USA.. they have lost London.... and France is right behind them... In the USA you could lose NYC and it wouldn't matter.. we have a lot of major cities that are bigger than some countries.

[@DavidMartinez-m4r]

This person is a joke.

[@tallard666]

In the US, you need a decent majority on both government chambers. Obama couldn't do all he wanted, and Trump barely did anything he wanted. It all depends on how much of a seat majority they get in EACH chamber

[@guyinoakland]

You have no clue what you are talking about. By 2011 Obama cut back, nearly halted any Christian countries immigration and opened wide Muslim immigration. By the end of 2011 he allowed 660,000 documented Muslims. So, if you are an M worshipper, I suppose good for you. It was completely unfair to nearly halt all Christians, while 33,000 Coptic Christians were murdered in 2009, Obama turned a blind eye while they were killed because they had no were to go. Spare the world your ignorance.

[@smelltheglove2038]

The remain in Mexico EO worked well.

[@trickyric67]

Trump did remain in Mexico. The abraham accords and got America energy independent... that is more than the last 4 presidents combined..

[@treesart6914]

I'm googling here and just read that there no longer exists a right to shelter in nyc. So where does she get her information? It's also not some kind of permanent housing for post graduate students but a 30 day period of sleeping in a big hall on the floor. So, I'd like to say: stop spreading Republican lies.

[@annabellelee4535]

You didn't know that the right to shelter is now only for American citizens and legal aliens in NYC? The NY courts ruled on that. What's wrong with you? You seem to have your head attached to Biden's fundament.

[@SFRZRD]

Why do you always have this miserable old codfish on

[@DieFlabbergast]

Because she's clever and funny and not the slightest bit "miserable," unlike you. Eff off.

[@j.a.velarde5901]

#TheSpectator - Those thousands of destitute, suffering people NEED HELP. They have already been rejected and abused... to ask if Trump could "fix" the immigration crisis? - Are you serious? - He is inhumane and self absorbed....

[@Dude0000]

Millions.

[@smelltheglove2038]

Tens of millions, taking what doesn’t belong to them. They’re only destitute because they abandoned their on home country. The idea that the US should house the world is absurd. We can have welfare, or open borders, not both. I can barely care for my own family, let alone tens millions of fighting aged men, because that’s who is coming, it’s not families.

[@Land-of-reason]

Your response is nonsensical. To allow such immigration damages their home countries and damages ours. The only solution is for their home countries to develop. Trump is the only one talking sense.

[@mcresearch]

Many are not destitute. Many have paid thousands of dollars to be smuggled into the U.S. Most are economic migrants who are attempting to jump the queue ahead of genuine applicants who have obeyed the law.

[@Buntowscarra]

Thousands of people? No, sir, Biden has let in tens of millions of unvetted immigrants under his watch. Most of these people don't have a passport and criminal, medical, and travel documentation. These people have become a fiscal burden on the American taxpayer at the local, state, and federal levels. Furthermore, Biden ,by his unwillingness to secure the US southern border, has compromised the very security of the United States. In closure, just let me say: GO, TRUMP, GO !

[@prasadrao2895]

Ms. Shriver is really a nasty person. I thought she was independent minded.

[@DieFlabbergast]

She is, you aren't. Why don't you eff off and go to the Daily Mail site?

[@tarakb7606]

The two aren't incompatible.

[@andrewgeoghegan3526]

Why are stupid people who stole the land now complaining about sharing it?

[@ChrisMurray-iw9ij]

Can't steal land you're born on

[@Land-of-reason]

Your question is not well formed.

[@andrewgeoghegan3526]

DUH If your dad stole my car and gave it to you before he died. who does it belong to?

[@ashfield1425]

Why do stupid people think that any country can accept 8m newcomers without having the infrastructure in place for the additional people. All it does is break education, healthcare, housing for existing communities that have fallen on hard times. Nearly every social service is detrimentally impacted by these overwhelming numbers. A typical comment from someone who is not impacted by paltry things such as those who are living in the poverty line.

[@Buntowscarra]

The United States of America is a sovereign nation.That sovereignty ,under Biden, has been mocked and flouted. Using your own definition of " stole", what nation on the face of this planet sits on "unstolen" land ?