LISA: Definitive Edition - Brad's Nightmare (EPILEPSY WARNING)

[@obscuregamesshowcase]

The creature at 4:36 is different depending on whether you viewed Terry or Mad Dog's campfire cutscene.

[@ren_8181]

Weird... During those cutscenes rhe screen either goes up or down. Maybe Terry's cutscene is about acceptance while mad dog is more like repression. (I also saw a comment that said that the dialogue from mad dogs cutscene "A dog in a dog in a dog in a dog" may represent generational trauma (grandfather marty brad and buddy))

[@beholdayman6995]

@@ren_8181 Another potential insight, Mad Dog is the creator's favorite party member while Terry is generally the fan favorite follower. Not sure if this correlates to your observation, but it's another way in which they compliment/oppose each other. Maybe the difference between looking up and down is where Brad chooses to contextualize his journey and purpose, looking down towards the foundation of the cliffside, back into his heritage and where he's come from, or looking upward towards the endless expanse of the sky, where he could choose to go from here

[@videoclunk4731]

and the way mad dog looks during the marty battle being unique is kinda cool

[@reina748]

Apenas y volvi a probar la versión definitiva, pense que Mad Dog se veia asi porque mato a su hijo, no se si lo menciona

[@viva3401]

Really curious as to what the Mad Dog version looks like now. I wonder what other small differences there are in this sequence depending on player choices

[@imhavingastroke3432]

All this because olathe has no proper therapists.

[@ElStink4K]

Abuse that bad scars you for life.

[@floydwabag]

Imagine how things could be for a lot of the people of Olathe if they had therapy

[@floydwabag]

@@ElStink4Ktherapy could probably ease Brad’s pain and at least get his mind out of the past, psychotherapy especially could help Brad out a lot

[@viva3401]

"THAT WAS THE LAST DAY WE EVER SPOKE." Dude the tonal whiplash is nauseating in the best and worst way possible, I'm heartbroken. It's been such a long time since I last wanted to see a game's alternate universe where things didn't fall to shit so hard.

[@redpandax5752]

You can actually beat this battle without losing party members. You just gotta dmamage marty and when youve taken down half of the little meatballs and the rest are crystalized it's your cue to run so no one is lost

[@theseekersoflight2271]

There is actually an easier way, nern have a skill called dirty insult, with this skill you inflict rage, which has an 100% chance to be applied to marty, Marty cant do the insta kill on your party members if he is in rage, so make sure marty is always enraged, the only problem is that party members will be ko'ed on one hit quite often since rage also increases crit rate (also makes him hit himself, thats pretty good). Just stock on some perfumes and in case Nern is KO and rage status effect is not on Marty run for your life

[@saltyketchup1796]

@@theseekersoflight2271 I used Nern to piss Marty off and Carp's wrist slash attack to make it so that, even if Marty hits you, he does basically no damage. I also used Shocklord for mass damage but anyone can be used a third party member. You just need to stock up on SP items so you don't run out.

[@Noobclock666]

Are you kidding me?… TARRY IS DEAD! But he didn’t had to die!? I just needed to take down those balls!?

[@dani.2479]

@@Noobclock666 balls of doom

[@aelix2784]

I sacrificed both of Brad's arms and half of my squad to the roulette for Buckets before I found out about this. Think I have to start a brand new file just to beat Marty lol.

[@Captain_Crabmeat]

even if you have both arms, his defense is really high so unless youre spamming risky drawing with garth all of brads combo dial inputs will deal 0 damage

[@theseekersoflight2271]

You can make sure that any party member die, i defeated him after playing the roulette too, only thing you have to do is enrage him with nern skill called dirty insult, then he cant insta kill Party members, if rage status ends, do it again. Also make sure to have some characters that hit everyone, and use perfumes as needed. Buckets works great to get his hp down

[@aelix2784]

@@theseekersoflight2271 appreciate the tip, he's immune to most status so I just assumed you couldn't inflict Pissed. Nern unfortunately died earlier in my save but I still had Garth, Harvey and Terry to do the same thing. Took him down

[@theseekersoflight2271]

@@aelix2784 Congrats friend! I hope you enjoyed the post fight scene, the combat is very hard, and you end up with reduced stats. But well, is more lore and story

[@hispanicatthedisco3989]

Nern Terry and Birdie cleared this battle alot easier, U just spam burning headslide for the first half, when he switches to his second form go for fireball 4, keep marty pissed with nern so he doesnt do perma kills, have birdie spit oil and keep the group drunk, and have terry hype up the group and hottest dance till u dwindle martys health down, it did the battle in about almost under a hour and didnt lose anyone, just need a hell of a lot of perfumes, its similar to the satan strat

[@Gigas0101]

at first... 7:01 I thought that was supposed to be some representation of Marty, but it's a far more, well, nightmarish version of Joy Mutant Brad. It's got the heart Buddy drew on him, and all the make-up... Damn, poor fucked up kid.

[@miguelferreira5873]

i used garth here as well just becuz i wanted to see what his spider looked like

[@arloklenczon6811]

Why oh why did I decide to play this part at 1 AM...

[@fettinadicarne2930]

4:37 in my run i had a monstrous version of Mad Dog instead of what appears to be Terry. Is it possible that it's because Mad Dog is the partner I used the most during the run and also because he spoke to me during the rest? He also quit the team before fighting Marty

[@obscuregamesshowcase]

Yes, the Mad Dog creature appears if you have viewed his respective campfire cutscene.

[@sebastianmonjes1651]

Question, after the nightmare, all the party members you lost remain lost?

[@obscuregamesshowcase]

Yes. Following the nightmare, all of the party members you lost are permanently dead. Around the campfire in the real world are splatters of blood, implying (to me, at least) that Brad killed the party members he lost during the nightmare.

[@Welcometotheslam5424]

@@obscuregamesshowcase Honestly, I feel like there was something legitimately supernatural with the nightmare, as if the war against Marty actually had a real impact on the physical world.

[@Mrfallouthero]

​@@Welcometotheslam5424there's a hidden loyalty mechanic in game for your companions. When you rest at a campfire, you run a small risk of your party members abandoning you while you sleep, among other risks. If you sacrifice your companions during the ultimatum scenes with Buzzo, your companions' chance to abandon you at a campfire spike up, as they lose confidence in you because of your choices. When you beat Marty and rest at a campfire, your companions abandon you the most frequently, like almost guaranteed each time you rest at campfire. Brad definitely turned on his own in a Joy-induced rage episode. It's sad and horrifying to think what Brad did to those boys, that they would only run away when he sleeps. Some of them really looked up to him. . . It also hurts when you're fighting the blood shadows; sometimes they cry as an action, and even skip their turn as they "don't want to do this".

[@luceroenriquez1193]

​@@Mrfallouthero My theory is that brad (as you said) had a rage episode, maybe on joy, where he started attacking all of his companions. I think that's why the fight with them happens. Maybe he's allucinating abt all of em being Marty or something and that's the reason we can see Marty "consuming" every character and why every one of em appear as a spider (remember spiders with a Marty face are a common representation of trauma in LISA). Also, the "you brought friends now" and some other lines are really another thing. Damn, the creator of this game went hard on this

[@onutrof1157]

How do I access this sequence?

[@obscuregamesshowcase]

After obtaining all of the boat components at the end of the game, you must return to the starting area and use the campfire there.

[@neventrying]

After 2 hours of trying to beat Marty without losing any partner (still lost 4 of them lol) I finally did it, so I started to go down the rope, the cutscene pop up and later climb up again, anything normal until here. But when I arrived to the crimson sea again, I didn't talked to Marty's head because I wanted to explore the left side of the map. Then a door appeared in front of me and dissapeared immediately, so I came back to talk to Marty's head, AND THE FUCKING BOSS IS THERE AGAIN, AND ALL THE PARTNERS I'VE LOST REMAIN DEAD, ALSO THE GAME DOESNT LET ME ENTER TO THE PAUSE MENU TO USE AND EQUIP ITEMS. MAN I'M SO DONE, IS THIS A BUG? OR IT IS INTENDED TO BE THIS WAY? Man I wasted 2 fucking hours and still couldn't get out of the nightmare :(

[@jojofanatico6928]

so... brad was also sexually abused by his father? All that escene of the joyful marty was really weird, and sometimes the way marty talked with brad seemed even a little sexual... in wathever case, marty really fucked up brad and lisa, and with this nightmare even more. Edit: gotta love how the dev also talk about toxic masculinity in a game that doesnt have women in it... i wished this game woukd be more famous. The way trauma, sexual abuse, sexism and toxic masculinity is treated is just... only a way that lisa the painful can treat it.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Marty is abusive in every way possible to everyone

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

1:38:14 Just promise me, Brad. Don't turn into a monster... like everyone else.

[@grunchchristmas]

has anyone translated the text in the first part of nightmare?

[@sptflcrw8583]

Translate? To what?

[@grunchchristmas]

@@sptflcrw8583 idk, it looks like the text in the beginning on the hint papers would make sense if they went through a cipher. Or they’re just gibberish, who knows

[@megalomaniac69]

It might be because in dreams you can't read anything

[@ShameTooShame]

@@grunchchristmas i think they are just Terry hints notes but reversed

[@yourlittlepadawan]

I tried but doesn't make real sense. For example, when Terry signs, it's always his name and something silly like "Terry Bear", yet those 2 R's, though, became different letters in the dream, something as "Kjrew Pkjh" Not direct correlation or code I can think of