Lisa the Pointless: Scholar of the Wilbur Sin - 3rd Folder ending

[@deceptiveauto]

It’s shown a lot in garbage island that Alex hates nihilism and wants to strive for something better. So him saying nothing matters in this ending really hits hard and shows how much he’s fallen.

[@togeluga_the_cat]

that inst alex...not anymore at least... before or after you put on the jersey, if start folding, you are not who you where anymore, the jersey erased alex's memorys and replaced them, even the achivement name tells us that "Final Goodbye, Destroy your indentity"

[@coolbro9782]

it wouldve been more cathartic to have alex defeat hugo ONLY after he joins the franchise and loses all his friends

[@birdup1_2]

At 22:07, when Alex takes out the teal box, you can hear a very quiet version of the intro music, ‘punch him in the face’, as he stares at it, and it disappears, when he throws it aside. Tragic.

[@ThePyschicBuzz]

Realized that Alex does the killing while Joel is just support hence why he's the only one with real folds....

[@Pudding404]

Didn't Daniel Grind in vanilla pointless say that they both had 8 kills each? I wonder if there's a case of sharing folds, for example, Jesse Mack is strictly support on his team but seems to be high on his fold game.

[@DarkTree]

@@Pudding404 if you apply debuffs you show up in the kill feed

[@fernandoj8479]

@@DarkTree Reminder that bottles are Joel's personal Nuclear Shells

[@philipjorgensen2628]

@@Pudding404 I think maybe the way that it works is that you share folds at first, but once you get to a point, you stop sharing. It has been stated that you get more independent as you climb up the folds, so that could be the reason.

[@vincentvalentine4401]

@@philipjorgensen2628 makes sense. Daddy Mack does get killed in the end by the tubby man

[@Arcadia2675]

The worst bit about this is that the finale scene sort of reflects Alex's flashback in regards to the bus scene. At his youth, Alex saw and trained himself as a up-and-coming martial artist. Then he proceeds to lose miserably, his plans gone up in smoke, and he just quietly waits for the bus to come and go home. And at this ending, Alex winds up losing his friends, losing his goal of finding a better place in favor of slaughter, and quietly bleeds out alone and the middle of nowhere at a bus stop that already left without him, so there's literally no other place for him to go to. And on a side note, what was that thing Alex tossed out at the very end?

[@joenutz3872]

I think the bus had yet to arrive. Because in the original they had slept at the camp before they went to the bus.

[@return4590]

Pretty sure he threw Geens dagger.

[@joenutz3872]

@@return4590 you can check by completing the game without Geen.

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

@@return4590 That is the iron box not geens dagger. It's sprite is way too large to be his dagger anyways

[@jazzierdude9654]

What is inside the iron box anyway? I think it increases luck ( or was it agility? ) It probably contains pictures or maybe a karate outfit, or a tool.

[@philipjorgensen2628]

I don't know why, but the change from Silvester's normal theme to "Mind of Joy," the theme of the mud village just gives a very sad feeling, especially since it is slowed down. He's just a man who has lost all his friends and followers, and just his life overall (Possibly in multiple ways). Beating him while he is depressed and lashing out is just so disheartening in the normal game alone, and killing him is even worse. His last line is very sad as well, with him saying that he doesn't mind dying with regrets. He regrets not leaving with the others, but has given up so much that he just doesn't care anymore. He had what Alex wanted, a stable nice home where he could thrive and be happy, and he lost it, and then Alex took what he had left. Truly a sad tale. Edit: Thinking about it, a lot of characters in Pointless had what Alex was looking for, a place where they felt they belonged and could live in. Everyone on Garbage Island didn't seem to mind their state of life, and even seemed happy. The Gamesters were doing great, having a place where they could get out their violent urges and still live relatively safe and happy lives in Downtown. Old man Cormack and Silvester both seemed to also have a nice set-up, where they lived happily. But each and everyone of these characters lost their homes or their lives, which begs the question. Were they really where they belonged? Or had they just given up so much that they were willing to accept the dismal situations they had? Just food for thought.

[@Pudding404]

That's what I love about pointless, while in the other lisa games the main point of the character's goal of ultimately finding a hypothetical last girl on earth is justified by the situation the world is in, or some personal reason, but in pointless it's like a whole new world. Alex, Joel, The Marauders, the Game affiliates, everyone in the city and the entirety of the infinity franchise just doesn't seem to care about what happens next(be it for different reasons.) But all those people have one thing in common, that they're perfectly content with settling in their situation, that they've all given up in their own ways. Alex is a good example of "no matter who you are or what you've done, you are a more experienced person you were yesterday, you deserve more and shouldn't just settle."

[@kennnnny]

Honestly, before you ended the paragraph, I thought you were going to say something like “How far are Alex and Joel going to work to get what they want?” Kinda like in Painful. But I also really love that idea

[@dani.2479]

id like to think they were really where they belonged. if climbing up the folds of infinity means killing people for no reason and alex got to 3rd fold. id like to think they were where they belonged, but due to the franchise and infinity. they died to alex edit: did i just repeat myself? yes, yes i did.

[@luccaf2834]

Alex become Infinte one with the franchise Alex has learned a new skill "Fast walk"

[@GGiGotHydra]

holy shit

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

Alex has had enough of this bullshit

[@jazzierdude9654]

@@cogwithnoambition2990 enough of the bullshit he had to go through in the desert every fucking playthrough

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

@@jazzierdude9654 The franchise is worth joining, you get so many benefits, flamethrower's, finger beams and Face smoke. But most importantly *The ability to power walk*

[@MilanesaConPure]

Nightmare Walk.

[@sarcastic2731]

With that ending,autumn area feels different. In normal ending,this is a place to relax,to think about what is coming next after downtown. But here? It is more of realization that Alex at peace,yet everything ended. He has nowhere to go and he does not need to,even more,he is now isolated from normal people by associating with franchise. I did not cry,but was sad.

[@HawkBreland]

:(

[@oldmanmcfunny546]

The contrast between both endings is really something in the good ending Joel is there to help Alex after getting attacked by Hugo but in the bad ending there is no one to help him as he's on is own dragging his own body forward to find something to help him.

[@deez7989]

I would've loved the Tender guy as a party member for a little.

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

He was too tender for the Big Leagues

[@yoloman8534]

Tender Guy ?

[@alexis_electronic]

@@yoloman8534 the guy who lands in front of you after the cliff. You can find him in downtown before then, saying that he becomes more tender with every fight.

[@yoloman8534]

@@alexis_electronic yeah I see now the only one that say I become more tender with every fight

[@ArthurC7]

It's painful to see Alex struggling to keep walking on that last sequence...

[@edward9487]

Saving strength for ledges... Crawling across the ground.

[@HawkBreland]

I knowww, shit had me feeling some kinda way (translation: CRYING)

[@togeluga_the_cat]

if only that was alex, the one we knew is gone

[@SomeDudeCauseYes]

lisa: the painful...

[@no64256]

5:50 anyone else notice Alex turning normal for a sec after jumping down some of the ledges?

[@mrawesome33341]

Yeah for a split second you can see it

[@WoodDavers]

Fuck, that violin track while Alex is going on a rampage makes this considerably unnerving

[@Slaanash]

One thing that would've been a nice touch is if 3rd folder alex stopped taking falling damage like Brad at the end of painful. He DID survive the fall after all.

[@swagmasterthebest]

Pike is on a pike HA

[@swagmasterthebest]

And rip geen and joel

[@joenutz3872]

Bruh moment

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

Alex even while part of the franchise has a sense of humor

[@arriasinsanite4886]

very good, it gives a really sad but nice vibe, this mod is really fucking good my only regret is to not be able to beat the shit out of Hugo with infinity power

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

That ending is pretty bullshit considering Hugo's skills as a *stealth* character instead of an offensive one. Franchiser Alex would "Realistically" tear Hugo apart and leave relatively unharmed as Hugo just drops his one advantage of being undetected by walking directly up to Alex and initiating conversation. But no somehow Hugo liquifies Alex's abdomen despite being an overweight man armed with only a scalpel going up against a man who has weaponized brutality itself to tear every person he touches apart.

[@arriasinsanite4886]

@@cogwithnoambition2990 I agree with you for me It was just to feel the satisfaction to beat his ugly ass they could made him super hard but still beatable I think, it would act as a nice replacement for not being able to fight borislav in this road I think idk how to mod nor contacting the devs personnaly tbh anyway,the part when he says goodbye to Jason pike was really good the original lisa was really good at making you empathize with horrible people

[@bortune3102]

@@cogwithnoambition2990 i think hugo tearing alex apart is like his punishment for killing everyone he met

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

@@bortune3102 Becoming one with the franchise is more than enough of a punishment

[@drizzziit1]

I have the feeling that we all underestimate Hugo.

[@jazzierdude9654]

6:49 Alex: *Have a taste of your own medicine*

[@canofpeanut]

Alex dog confjrmedmed??

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

I'm honestly kinda disappointed with the franchiser ending. It gives you so many new interesting moves but so few enemies to test them out on. plus the super bland ending of Hugo just shanking Alex even though he was more skilled at being stealthy than being direct all culminates into an ending with lots of missed potential where what we got was pretty neat but just not used too well.

[@Funtermore]

Yeah, me too. I really wished they made Hugo an actual boss fight, where you need to manage Items and SP, instead, you just need to use Gouged Penutina and it's done.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

@@Funtermore Hugo should of died, No way in hell he beats 3rd Fold Alex. But that's just me really hating on the guy, I've wanted to see him get his just deserts for years at this point >.

[@necrojoke1994]

Thank God this is not canon

[@fortune-smilyface]

Technically it is in the scholar of the Wilbur sin mod au (I don't know what to call it)

[@jazzierdude9654]

Ahahahahaha..my friend, remember what dingaling said? Everything. Is. Canon. ( Though i really dont like Alex becoming like this )

[@fortune-smilyface]

@@jazzierdude9654 and from everything I've seen this is the only ending

[@martinpachu7125]

@@fortune-smilyface i think if you dont reach the third fold,you dont get this ending

[@fortune-smilyface]

@@bonelesschocolate4288 when is coming out

[@lolniceinreal]

Rip the homie geen

[@GenericSeal]

“You just dug your own grave.” he was talking to himself

[@Lemistio123]

This is just straight heartbreaking

[@a.atlant5200]

Este final sigue golpeando fuerte. Por un momento pensaba que era el final verdadero hasta que me di cuenta que esto solo ocurre si es que llegas a matar a mas de la cuenta a nivel de un asesino en serie...

[@Beltboy]

Not so lucky anymore, eh Joel? Mu-ha-ha!

[@canofpeanut]

:(

[@Captain_Crabmeat]

you monster

[@boingo3275]

You're just mad because he can conserve ammo

[@beanboy12.1]

If and when we get chapter 2, I hope that third fold ending is continued in a way, maybe Alex didn't die of internal bleeding somehow (plot armor or something idk lol), he enters the city, and begins to fuck everything around him up

[@lolniceinreal]

Silvester aint no joke, he could have easily won here (11:46) if that kick didn't miss

[@Raphie009]

Who would win? A 3rd Fold Franchisee or 1 Stabby Boi

[@30-50FeralHogs]

0:17 I recognise that sound so much and I really wish I knew why. (And no, it doesnt have anything to do with a moan.)

[@The_Immortal_]

Wait, how was Alex able to hit Silvester when he had the +fluid status effect, that gives you 100% evasion?

[@drizzziit1]

Fluid is only a 50% evasion buff. If you wanna talk about stats it's a different skill in the flashback, 100% dodge rate there.

[@The_Immortal_]

@@drizzziit1 thank you, I didn't know that there where two separate fluid stances

[@return4590]

This was pretty informative, thanks guys

[@Paulington3424]

Tfw Hugo still deletes u

[@EvilBrigadorMan]

Disappointment

[@Castle420.]

was it just only me who realised it but he changed back to his normal state for a bit at 5:49?

[@mrbambysenior7765]

Good ending but how do I avoid it? Caused I’d never hurt Joel

[@drizzziit1]

Avoid getting to 3rd fold aka less than 48 kills.

[@DZXJR]

why couldnt you use the trauma kit to not be evicerated anymore?

[@CheeseYourself]

treacherousssss Alexxxx one with the Franchissssse

[@kisleey33]

Can you go back and pick up the medkit when you get ruptured?

[@jamesviniephone3273]

In this playthough alex become arnold or something like that

[@cyansensation6762]

What if you disarm hugo?

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

He eviscerates you regardless

[@shadowtex7071]

i dont think you can... once you become a 3rd folder, you lose the velvet style in exchange for the infinity moveset, with no disarming chop

[@YoutubeDeletedMyLastNick]

Normally in a videogame you do all skde quests and defeat all enemies to get the best ending, but here you get the worst, truly pointless

[@faustodaniel5716]

The infinity franchise is real life madness combat change my mind

[@Idontknowwhattoputasmyuser]

TRY GETTING THE KIT AFTER YOU GET RUPTURED

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

There is no way to get back to the kit after you enter the campsite

[@rigobertocriticas4205]

This is like Undertale Genocide route but everithing is your fault and soo much better

[@blazepug9505]

You have to go out of your way to do undertalr genocide tho

[@MassHaste]

No.

[@MassHaste]

@selosbo-06 both games have nothing in common.

[@bunkerdown8494]

@@MassHaste It does feel reminiscent of the whole genocide route due to how detached the game text becomes which I think is a good fit for both games.

[@MassHaste]

​@@bunkerdown8494, I guess but not really. Both games have different settings. Sure, the "detached texted" doesn't have anything 4th wall breaking, monsters or characters remembering your actions. In the Pointless mod, you could say, "you become the very thing you were fighting against", which is the franchise. You become tainted in their own power and get claimed by the very thing. You "grinded" your way to that power. Undertale? You grind the same enemies(moving back and forth) of that area and move on. You get some dust or something and fight some difficult boss at the very end. In this mod, you die or left with your own thoughts as to what happens. Alex gets picked up by some people? Or just die.

[@stevelix8000]

Hey, little question, what if you don't reach 8 kills?

[@snowbrad6768]

you just get the regular ending

[@alexis_electronic]

you get the special jessie mack fight

[@stevelix8000]

shame, guess you cannot escape infinity after all.

[@drizzziit1]

@@stevelix8000 You can, what are you saying. This happens on 48 kills only

[@stevelix8000]

@@drizzziit1 I'm talking about lore wise, Alex cannot escape infinity once affected.

[@BruhMoment-ev5ep]

If you killed too many people is there a way to avoid the 3rd fold ending?

[@coh2conscript851]

Reload

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

Restart the game if your saves are all of 3 folder designation

[@mauriciocardonavalencia7516]

You can actually kill that big amount of people and still not be part of the franchise. As long as you don't talk with grind or keep going to him after you got the major iris you should be fine

[@birdup1_2]

@@mauriciocardonavalencia7516 nope. The crashed jersey truck makes sure of that. No escaping infinity.

[@mauriciocardonavalencia7516]

@@birdup1_2 Maybe it's because i played an earlier version, but in SOTWS i manage to pull that off and have no trouble with the jersey truck.

[@pneumaticsapphic]

So can you go just to the 2nd fold in game just for the stat increases without getting the ending?

[@pneumaticsapphic]

Update: You can go only into the First fold without altering your ending.

[@slammermchammer]

@@pneumaticsapphic I didn't have anything bad happen when I was on the second fold Maybe world changes but same ending as the base game

[@pneumaticsapphic]

@@slammermchammer Maybe it was because I had enough kills for the 3rd fold when I finished on second fold, I’m not sure though

[@drizzziit1]

2nd fold is perfectly fine.

[@pneumaticsapphic]

@@drizzziit1 well I’m completely sure I was only on the second fold when the game gave me the 3rd folder ending.

[@Idontknowwhattoputasmyuser]

do around 600 dmg and then do the infinized iris?

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

Nothing changes, him eviscerating you is scripted to happen and cannot be prevented

[@cogwithnoambition2990]

@Firek It won't change anything, the fight still ends once he hits you with the move and Alex is still bloody and slowed down. basically anyway you slice it Alex get's screwed over

[@mentallyuntouchable2918]

@Firektrue, would've been nicer to see alex becoming the next arnold and heading to the city after killing everyone downtown. Doesn't make sense being third fold and being put down by a dude with a knife

[@enemyshadowdemon]

Song that plays at the end?

[@Beltboy]

safe haven sewers

[@matt6223]

How many Lisa games are there?

[@luccaf2834]

like one thousand

[@sandhand1164]

Only 3 official ones, the rest are fangames

[@I_got_bit_by_my_dog]

like 20-100

[@Power-xl8vh]

Oh.

[@TheNotSoRealJeff2]

You can do combos.

[@slopboggian]

yeouch!

[@NotACutie]

Locks you out of the soviet superboss? That's so fucking lame.

[@lampaddict7885]

yeah, honestly i would have loved to see the two face off

[@NotACutie]

@@lampaddict7885 there needs to be an update to make that happen, holy fuck. That or a fangame.

[@birdup1_2]

@@NotACutie there is, SoTWS infinity unfolds

[@tadokiari9135]

is this a mod or something?

[@vomitmefliez]

Yea