Listen Loco Ep. 68 - Rift Rivals, How to beat IG, and FNC on the Rise Ft. TL Kayys

[@locodoco]

Time Stamps 5:58 - TL’s Top 2 Bot Lane 9:07 - Why was LCS better in Spring? 15:18 - Which teams tryharded at Rift Rivals and G2’s Strengths 26:59 - Has CoreJJ been pushed to change? 30:04 - The best way to play League and how to beat IG 33:28 - Was Kayys surprised by Caps leaving FNC 35:11 - Can Impact play carries? 39:28 - TL's Secret to Success @ Rift Rivals 43:55 - What’s wrong with TSM 53:40 - Loco and Doublelift speak 57:27 - C9’s food poisoning and performance 1:07:29 - Fnatic on the rise 1:09:23 - Could Rogue beat TSM?? 1:20:24 - Could Fnatic win LEC? 1:28:07 - What NA teams will make Worlds? 1:30:42 - Rush now a free agent 1:34:36 - Echo Fox Lost and Player Salaries

[@gigatoxishvili9991]

Whos is guy thorin? When even shitjokes are terrible...

[@joshuarowe8410]

@@gigatoxishvili9991 he's pretty fkin try hard and cringe. aggression != funny

[@GlenUK1]

@Aymen Hannani fnc beat TL with their b team jungler

[@dontask3613]

@Aymen Hannani In spring. Not before RR

[@mrarc6788]

@Aymen Hannani on what world TL superior at Fnatic tho..

[@bonzwah1]

My respect for loco actually went up cuz i never really processed the fact that he's the one highlighting himself getting destroyed by thoorin by setting it as an intro

[@Raidenze]

Okay. That reaction was definitely exactly as Thorin described it. Wow.

[@danielfierro6694]

Tsm should ask loco which jundler to keep and then go with the opposite.

[@darebrained]

Safe call.

[@ianonrust6598]

Actually a really good guest! Refreshing to have another person who isn't so worried about being all professional and pc and actually speaks his mind.

[@Smugglebugg]

KAYYS died for this! Loco still ending careers!

[@davidd406]

"not known for his bard" bruh he was a bard/gragas main in soloq wtf

[@husenboriwala5110]

In the league. He isn't known for bard

[@davidd406]

@@husenboriwala5110 There is no defense for loco here, it's clear he doesn't know anything about miky if he even says that. "in the league" is not a valid defense because they were talking about miky in general

[@LethalAscend]

@@davidd406 expecting loco to know anything

[@pandour]

It's ok to not know every fucking detail about players.. specially of someone who is not from your main region and someone who was not popular

[@kae1971]

“I’m like Sasuke IRL”~Locodoco Living up to your name XD.

[@Vuosta]

I love how the editor is completely on board with thorin on just roasting Loco LOL

[@ANNO_UNDERCOVER]

What's Kayys talking about Perkz was up 20+ cs almost every game in lane at MSI

[@Synday]

unless g2 wins worlds they'll always follow this wrong narrative of perkz not being one of the best adcs.

[@ruiribeiro3410]

@@Synday g2 is so bad, give him an ad champ and he will do 0, he plays "trolls" picks cause he cant play adcs, he is a great mid, but he is bad at adc, its a fact

[@lawrenceyap2308]

Rui Ribeiro is this suppose to be a troll comment or lol

[@ruiribeiro3410]

@@lawrenceyap2308 why would it? Did I say any lie? Is it not true? G2 is very good, in this meta, and they do well in making the best of it. But saying perkz is a good adc is not ok, he is a decent adc with 3 of the best players in the world. Even jankos is boosted, if wunder and caps dont do shit he will be bad.

[@ruiribeiro3410]

@@黒歌-d3m ok,lets play a game: say why I am wrong, say why you think perkz is a great adc.

[@Bedrock_Blaster]

Its not like LS, the statement actually has a point. What LS said was: D Tier Korean Team is better than S Tier Europe team. What TL Kayys said was basically: C Tier Europe Team is better than B Tier Na Team. And that is a solid statement. Also Rogue is definetely not a bad team right now.

[@tomahawklegend]

@@Arkaine197 Well I mean it seems like you both got it wrong since he explained it a million times since then to say that wasn't really what he meant, but sure you can just shit on him anyway I suppose.

[@Arkaine197]

@@tomahawklegend It's exactly what he meant to say, when he clarified on Thorins Q&A stream he stated that he meant if G2 were playing in Korea they would have ended up in relegations. His only further clarification was to say he thought they'd beat the relegation teams. That doesn't contradict anything Zeke or I said.

[@tomahawklegend]

@@Arkaine197 I don't know how you think doubling down now makes you saying the same thing more correct, if you don't get it you don't get it.

[@Ahrlin9]

@@tomahawklegend I didn't see LS's later explanation. What was it?

[@Arkaine197]

@@tomahawklegend I get it perfectly: You're talking out of your ass. I've explained what LS said, and what he corrected it with, you have failed to point out any way in which the correction is not just a kinder worded version of the original statement intended to say the same thing without drawing the ire of western fans. Saying that I don't understand but without bothering to expand on your point is basically just your way of covering up the fact that you have nothing.

[@anakinskywalker212]

Loco is 27 btw WeirdChamp

[@ayh4968]

chris a even better pepega

[@theoneandonlybigcro9741]

chris a 27 or 17?

[@kae1971]

1:10:35 Both their reactions lol 😂. Thorin looks like new life was bought into his eyes.

[@RaidsEpicly]

Holy shit that was absolutely amazing. I love the delay as thorin processes how ridiculous that statement is and then cracks a massive smile

[@froggo4605]

@@RaidsEpicly even better to watch in retroperspective

[@tiagocoelho7642]

MikyX is legit the best supp in the world rn, no doubt in my mind

[@redskyes8601]

if u think about yea ur right

[@kostaurus]

Hyli is hella up there as well, his random int moments keep him from #1 tho. Mechanically these two guys are far ahead from everyone else. It still feels kinda funny to talk about our players as best in the world

[@tiagocoelho7642]

@@kostaurus yeah, it's still insane to me as well. We truly live in the dankest timeline

[@JoseMolina-yn6ku]

No lol

[@jevonscantlebury9834]

Ok

[@RelOCE]

love kays he could be a perm guest he fits the show well 👍👍

[@tuzhaj]

it's fine being optimistic, but i'll cut my fuckin fingers down if TL is on the same level as even origen or splyce:)

[@tofuhoohoo5850]

you would lose many fingers

[@ingamemikeotronik1267]

@@tofuhoohoo5850 ye, OG is better than TL

[@tofuhoohoo5850]

@@ingamemikeotronik1267 i lol

[@benjaminpevzner6261]

Guest seemed pleasent and knowledgeable, nice show!

[@AbirZenith]

This was his last interview as a part of Team Liquid

[@ramsrinivasmurthy8843]

Yoo anyone got a full vid of loco reacting to that girl calling him cute? Shit was gold lmao

[@darebrained]

"not that far behind G2" Uhum. Let's rewatch MSI finals.

[@HELLAK0OL]

keep holding on to the past

[@tdpmati1949]

@@HELLAK0OLYes, let's deny the most recent legit series between the teams that was literally one month ago

[@Vuosta]

This Kayys guy was a really good guest , loved this episode.

[@allanbernal4977]

Tbh i think OG is super underrated atm

[@XxILikePie03]

That intro lmao I can't ignore Loco at 1:42:18

[@joaofelipesiqueira21]

MikyX is the best support in the world, Ming is close second

[@Andy21441]

that Linkin Park album you already knowwww

[@Synday]

i love mikyx but i think hylissang and ming are better ^^ g2 is the best team and i think g2 botlane is #2 after uzi ming, but hyli is the best support

[@joaofelipesiqueira21]

@@Synday hyli is great but he is third for me, since sometimes he ints hard

[@ReptarTheUgly]

Joao Felipe Siqueira he makes 20/80 plays. Hyli is the best.

[@goedverhaal117]

@@ReptarTheUgly Regardless of who you think is better, don't forget that Miky has been playing with wrist issues for a long time now, trying to keep strain to a minimum. But it's not resolved. That doesn't improve mechanical gameplay or sometimes maybe even championchoices.

[@ciociaklocia]

I legitemately love this podcast. I think it might be even better then euphoria, maybe because its not strictly under Riot management and that makes it closer to your neighborhood fan.

[@richarde3996]

Great episode guys, would be nice to have another european analyst on in a future episode!

[@DarkChaosKaxi]

It's okay, Thorin. I accept that TL is better than C9 *right now* and since MSI. I still root for them and want them to succeed. They will go to Worlds, and I will still cheer them on.

[@christophermauro-barias5255]

former TL head analist.

[@user46421]

too soon

[@AliceLilly1005]

Loco raging after Kayys saying that TSM will lose to Rogue is just too funny 😂. Yeah, I think it's unfair to say that.

[@sjdbsa]

@@patrickross1791 he was just fired LOL

[@MagusMik]

If TL are bored maybe they should start trolling in drafts to? Definitely a step above the rest of other competition can just start trying wacky shit

[@Creamouz]

I just don't see him saying "We're pretty close to G2" not being an absolute lie after them losing a bo5 in a time that used to be 1 fucking game lmao

[@7freebox1]

At the start of the show "context matters, TSM and C9 were better in spring and FNC wasn't as good so thosE tweets were not insane" 35:56 A really common critique against TL is tht impact doesn't play carries" wtf loco, yeah people said that BEFORE MSI, it hasn't been said by fans, players, analyst and casters since MSI, stop it with the forced narratives

[@PkedSome]

I just hope TL goes to EU early to scrim before worlds

[@Andrew-re8by]

Thorin could be the funniest guy in esports

[@Creamouz]

next one is gonna be nice Pog

[@daolong51279]

I come for the intros and stay for the flame.

[@harrycicero263]

Actually a great guest.

[@dused9799]

1:11:06 THERE IT WAS LISTEN LOCO

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

not this delussional analyst

[@aaronaaron1003]

Thorin is the human with the biggest brain right now

[@curtisgorner3072]

RIP KAYYS

[@Geralt546]

I don't get 1 thing - if IG botlane is weak because they don't play through bot (that statement was proven wrong at MSI btw.) and they don't get exposed because of godlike sololaners, G2 botlane was also weak "playing like aggresive monkeys" and similarly to IG looked good because of Caps and Wunder then in what world TL botlane (which was their wincondition most of the time) is better? How? They get most of their team resources and their jungler sits bottom most of the time - that is the argument for the duo beeing good? Just wtf? Imo IG botlane (especially JakeyLove) proved that with resources they can popoff and destroy SKT's Sona/Taric within 16min while Double/CoreJJ limited themselves to smashing wildcard regions and beeing even in lane with all others. Saying that TL botlane is good and looks very good in LCS wasn't controversial but that does not mean they will look good internationally - just like Teddy/Mata. So yeah Kayys wasn't right and the arrogance bit him in the ass :)

[@ingamemikeotronik1267]

To be fair no one expects NA to outperform others even with ressources, because of NA history. People still thought that Jacky and Teddy could beat TL even without jungle help

[@team3am149]

Ingame Mikeotronik Except JL and Baolan did, they smashed the TL botlane in group stage. JL was by far the best ADC through the 10 BO1 games, Baolan only underperformed in the Semifinals

[@AliceLilly1005]

Also, Perkz and Mikyx was the best botlane during the laning phase, always ahead of cs and pushing turrets even though Perkz kinda die a lot of time outside laning phase...

[@b.p.5627]

Corejj learned what an ADC needs from their support from playing next to that donkey named KiWiKiD.

[@friedrich7891]

1:29:49 Optic gaming making Worlds

[@tempname4039]

Good guest. Kayys and Veteran would be a cool duo for a 4 man show.

[@andrewgremus4090]

SInce when TL was iven fking close to FNC ?

[@HalfofaSandwich]

Tl beat all 3 EU teams at least once at rift rivals lol they're closer than u think

[@savvaspetrou]

@@HalfofaSandwich TL didn't beat FNC btw. They only played 1 game with Dan vs them.

[@HalfofaSandwich]

@@savvaspetrou oh yeah u rite. They beat g2 twice tho so saying tl isn't even in the competition of teams is absurd

[@tofuhoohoo5850]

@@HalfofaSandwich english wasn't his best so forgive him. I guess he didn't bother to use his brain

[@malganis4491]

@@HalfofaSandwich hahahwith sona taric against 4fun comp XD

[@PKBDovah]

Why does it have to be this guy -.-

[@jansanxj]

The only LEC teams TSM is better than are...maybe Xcell and MAYBE vitality. TSM is like 4-5 in LCS right now.

[@mustapha896]

Not after Vitality last week

[@ReptarTheUgly]

TSM is fucking bad right now. Feels bad for Bjergsen

[@Michael_A_Lewis]

Thooorin is savage as usual hahahahahaha!!

[@argantyr5154]

quite boring to listen to tbh

[@Michael_A_Lewis]

@@argantyr5154 Oh well. I enjoyed it.

[@daemonblackfyre416]

all of them

[@93civicin604]

Please make your podcast available on Google podcasts.

[@liluzibob]

LMAO that intro

[@kingl4d602]

18:32 *might've missed one inbetween these 2... or several. i think i lost a bunch to Thorin's lag tbf* 1:11:27 1:33:33 1:33:41

[@positiveblackguys]

That intro l0l

[@6666Imperator]

I still remember the EU-shitstorm G2 rightfully got when they decided to take a break instead of prepping for worlds and MSI. Same would have happened if NA wouldn't have taken RR seriously but they could have tried different stuff for sure.

[@markg6663]

But that story about G2 isn't true in reality. The vacation thing was a spin G2 did to cover for their poor performance. In reality, their poor performance was due to Emperor and Hybrid getting kicked off the team and team mentality going boom, but G2 was bootcamping prior to MSI. Moreover, that was MSI, a tournament that actually mattered, unlike RR, which is a fucking for fun worthless tourney.

[@6666Imperator]

@@markg6663 mh interesting but in anyways it was a poor excuse to begin with. Even better was that with the next worldwide tournament they had this whole "we want to redeem ourselves" story and did even worse or at least not really any better. That was really the time where I was like "okay better get lost and let the international pro's like FNC do the job" :D

[@MrPaulopp]

27:50 "corejj never had a jungler", correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt corejj play with ambition in samsung, arguably the best jungler of all time?

[@samotargos5199]

ahahahaha

[@lulkaku]

CROWN 1v17 LOOOOOOOOL

[@csnoob02]

this intro edit LMAO !

[@kuolee8433]

Wait so are you telling me that old man thorin is actually a weeb and watch anime?? Pog

[@lukaszepesi]

Forget Sakura! Locodoco is Hinata.

[@Jamesified]

Still waiting for 67 to hit spotify

[@clippercrewx321]

Ty buttpounder420

[@itemtest1]

Hahahah that Naruto reference though :)

[@michaelpetersen467]

can someone tell me what thorin is refering to at 1:27:00 ? what comic?

[@antoopacak2898]

Holy shit if tsm an c9 are peaking NA is donzo

[@adamchenblast23]

i see twice i like

[@mindmonsterxx]

still dont understand why most of the people think grig is a better jungle? we already seen a full season with grig before right ? he offers NOTHING to the team i dont even know what he does honestly :D if the camera is not on him i would think tsm is playing with 4 man only ye akaadian might be a poor version of svenskeren but thats still better than grig i would take any player over grig i just dont see what he does if some1 could enlighten me that would be cool

[@husenboriwala5110]

He is extremely vocal and during mid->late he's an extremely potent engage tool

[@Geddn]

Thing is most of the hate i see from Thorin is what seem to be his wish that FNC had Forg|ven. Since alot of Thorins fnc "hate" comes from him bashing Rekkles which is why it surprised me that he didnt take a stab at Rekkles when he was mentioned. IMo reason why u dont have the win = money gurantee thing is that it makes it even harder to get into esports as players. Esports still isnt as secure for players as some orgs would have it. Look at how Echo fox has ditched players for no reason even screwed some over like Fenix. I think if u make contracts which makes it so that u gotta win no matter what to get money then u will make it alot easier for orgs to pressure the players and make their life worse. EF already does that without those kind of contracts

[@ReptarTheUgly]

Thorin will always flame Rekkles. Idk why. Like he wants him to be the carry but be a team player and several other things and he does. He’s willing to take the backseat and aid his team in a supportive way. He will take charge and be the one chasing the enemy down. He wins lane, and understands his role as ADC. The ADC needs to be the constant flow of dmg. Dying is the worse thing that can happen so why flame him for playing for positioning and staying safe?

[@bolognabboy9165]

loco "what is it?" doco

[@glcsander]

Here early to see loco salty tears XD

[@WidgetWagyu47292]

The way to beat G2 is have you’re solo laners not lose lane priority this is why IG matches up against G2 so well Rookie & TheShy don’t let wunder & Caps Get lane priority , when G2 do this against lesser skilled teams though they get lane priority 4 man gank bot or threaten the 4 man gank and the enemy bot has to give up plates rest is just G2 playing off their lead and split pushing. Not taking anything away from G2 they are individually skilled but no region has better team fighting then China all Chinese are super good at team fighting.

[@c001pers0n]

Was Kayys actually kicked from TL for this?

[@Rayon811]

1:23:45 Perkz 100% thought he was better after 2017 MSI final.

[@DanikonLUK]

Guaranteed he got fired for saying rekkles>doublelift

[@Pastelbluesox]

I think thoorins voice was in the LCS lol

[@team3am149]

Good for Thorin and Loco for featuring a mentally disabled guest on the show!

[@vladricean8353]

So TL made an offer for caps, i guess they would've tossed Jensen just like that LUL

[@SuperAllelujah]

vlad ricean Wouldn't you?

[@ingamemikeotronik1267]

Its buisness, not a fking kindergarden

[@AlexB3333]

Was before Caps signed with Jensen

[@Rayon811]

56:20 LMAO

[@dylancostello1103]

Lol FNC is definitely above TL

[@io8743]

Nice mate, you lost your job over this :DDD

[@lepalme987]

I am gonna save this so when TSM actually get their shit togheter I can go back and laugh at yall

[@tofuhoohoo5850]

lol

[@SuperAllelujah]

And we will wait for them to lose in the finals

[@tofuhoohoo5850]

@Aymen Hannani no, obviously this dude is being delusional with freesm

[@RS-xw1lj]

Poor DL and CoreJJ they don't even get to know in NA which matchups are better in bot since they win everything. FeelsBadMan NA is big yikes dude.,

[@ReptarTheUgly]

The problem is that TL doesn’t have a rival. Rivalries bring out the best in completion. I hope GGS can figure their shit out because Froggen having to 1v9 every game is insane. Like... I get that it was a meme but it holds truth in it. I don’t like TSM, or C9.

[@RS-xw1lj]

They just don't have the talent. Froggen is the only world class player on the team.

[@ReptarTheUgly]

R S true very true... I just want Froggen to have a chance.

[@ReptarTheUgly]

The best thing Zven does is help the enemy team. I love when he wins the game for the other team. He’s the phantom sixth member. Hahahah fucking trash.

[@bLuLi0N]

Did he get fired for calling iG monkeys over and over?

[@BrownKing7]

All of them can beat tsm

[@saliking9250]

all teams wanted caps Kappaa

[@MegaPalmere]

I usually enjoy these. But Thoren is shouting over he's guests.

[@ayh4968]

2nd best bot at msi Xd

[@savvaspetrou]

Perkz/Miky were better but that's about it though? Teddy/Mata had an awful tournament and Baolan/JL got outclassed in their bo5 vs TL. I know it's funny to shit on the guy for his tweets but he wasn't really off.

[@Cristian-kg2gp]

@@savvaspetrou SKT's bot lane, while underperforming, did not get shit stomped by Perkz and Mickyx

[@jansanxj]

Came in second at MSI. Sooo...whats your point?

[@ayh4968]

jansanxj crown wins worlds and is the definitely best mid at the time :)

[@ingamemikeotronik1267]

@@jansanxj SKT-G2: 2-3 TL-G2: 0-3 TL got second place, doesnt mean they were the second best team.

[@HkJoK]

sasuke is the emo sadboi type not the cool silent type lol

[@aleksandartomasevic8458]

im geninuely curious is loco really such an awkward nerd/ultra virgin in real life or does he take it to extreme online to be more recognizeable or w/e?Hes 27yo with a semi succesful career its impossible hes actually like this,no?

[@ingamemikeotronik1267]

Loco is really smart and a lot of very smart people lack social skills

[@pandour]

I think he probably is an awkward nerd/ultra virgin type of guy but since he works in esports that actually can help him, plus he gets women "easily" due to his fame/success

[@johnjoobooks]

Anyone else find it crazy, that adults make reference to gay anime for 11 y/os, and one of mentioned is "buttpounder"...? Fucking tempora o mores...

[@Huperdome]

8:35 - yeah, they were killing your botlane at lvl2 because of toplane presure. Sure mr analyst.

[@y.a.46]

This Kayys guy is annoying af. His whole vibe is just irritating. Probably thinks TL is top 4 in the world.

[@Synday]

1:17:40 what about Upset? he's by far better than rekkles. so sad this guy gets no love

[@r2bot]

Nah bruh upset is overrated

[@gigatoxishvili9991]

When sk is performing well? When tsm was performing well they shit on tl. There's not logic in saying when one team plays well and the other team plays terrible the first team will win. Wtf

[@Nicecool76420]

Pretty sure he meant that if both are performing well, SK would still win.

[@gigatoxishvili9991]

That doesn't make any sense either. If tsm at play at their peak they will most likely beat tl in a best of 5

[@mustapha896]

@@gigatoxishvili9991 Peak SK destroy FNC tho

[@tofuhoohoo5850]

@@gigatoxishvili9991 peak tsm LOL. Peak liquid would rape tsm and didn't liquid reverse sweep freesm lol

[@RS-xw1lj]

LUL FREESM winning against a competent team? In Eu TSM will lose to Excel.

[@KleinpeterHank]

Next episode is #69 👀 Lmfao in no way Caps is better than Faker. At msi he dumpstered caps in every stat

[@kayko777]

needs a sexual guest again

[@friedrich7891]

Goes to listen loco, gets fired, I don't know what to think. Did he drop too many interesting tips about G2, IG and TL? Is Ocelote secretly firing people that beat his team? We will never know ^^

[@frostyaces4103]

18:05 I really disagree about his tryharding point. I'd much rather hear the teams weren't tryharding and went 0-9, compared to reality where they tryharded and got curb stomped and went 1-8. Now I feel like Worlds is doomed. If they didn't try hard, I could at least say "well maybe they'll do better when they try hard." Now I know when they try hard, they might as well be trolling

[@haydn1708]

Im genuinely really interested, reply to this comment if you can watch this whole video and not think this guy (Kayys) is completely insufferable? the arrogance on this guy ...

[@bobokeckar2478]

Haydn xo its the liquid pride they have, if g2 didnt smash them 3-0 they would be saying TL is the best in the world atm, bcs of RR.LCS has a lot of confidence but when they have to show ehat they can do they fucking suck

[@nguyentri3608]

Yes I’ve watched the entire video and listened to every part of it. I know it’s super hard to listen to someone who you don’t like :>

[@jansanxj]

He’s very knowledgeable and tells it like it is. The only insufferable person on this podcast is Loco.

[@BillRevis]

I literally did not see any arrogance and felt he was a totally normal guy.