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[@Boogie_the_cat]

It's always a nice bonus when Sheik shows up randomly in a video. Don't get me wrong, I love the technical aspect of your videos, you are always so thorough and careful with your descriptions and explanation. But when a cat randomly appears, it allows for a small diversion and humor. You are the most respectable and rational tech KZbinr I am aware of, but you don't mind your cat(s) showing up during a video, which makes you more relatable. Keep up the excellent work!

[@bensaisakura4322]

We need more data on those TEC cooler with more heat dissipation.Great video and awesome attention to details. Especially with the bios settings and board description. Having worked with TEC a long time i have never found it to be efficient but id love to see if with enough cooling (larger than 360 radiator for example) the efficiency can be increased.

[@92kosta]

3:14 - I like the fact that Windows XP is still being used in the Extreme OC environment.

[@gerardfraser]

Thanks for sharing video and real advice on 24/7 usage.

[@tomwaller6893]

Thank you so much for this revue.

love this "extreme" content! i would like to see this new tec with ryzen

[@NorokVokun]

Absolutely agreed.

[@SpuriousECG]

If you don't like the crystal diffuser of the Royal, you can get the exact same bin with the Neo F4-4000C14D-16GTZR for less. Btw, nice to see Sheik helping out as usual :)

[@Raivo_K]

And there is also the Ripjaws V version that has no RGB but uses the same chips. Also due to the lack of RGB LED's it's slightly cheaper. It should be F4-4000C14D-16GVK if im not mistaken.

[@CALBT]

I would love to see the result of EK cryo mounted on 3090 or 3080ti, if the result promising you can CNC and sell new brackets for it.

[@fracturedlife1393]

Amazing that you could continue talking whilst obviously worrying what the cat was intending to knock off the table next... *Still adds a like to the German version too*

[@N0N0111]

16:33 Buildzoid will be fuming when he watch this part!

[@chadmckean9026]

I would like to suggest using linpack for checking for the performance differences between ram configurations, i only use aida for is latency (though i find maxxmem2 faster to get this) some of your sub timing looked a bit loose, was that cause it is dual rank? or were you just trying to not spend all day+ on getting it stable

[@kunzaxe]

That cat probably knows more about computers than me

[@Flodhesten]

Pro tip - have cat around while doing computer work - duely noted.

[@donjon7554]

Two questions. 1. Z90 at the end of life? So what and when is the next chipset? 2. What would be the AIDA64 memory benchmark results on a AMD Ryzen 3900x, x570 chipset, 3200MHz CL16 RAM? What would you guess what percentage of these read, write and latency in Aida64 would be? 20 percent lower for example? All stock settings. What do You All think?

[@vacefron7835]

Please make the updated video with the tech on better cooling, i got x2 EK 360 pe and x1 480 pe and i am interested in the peltier tech I've been interested with tech since your video came out a few years ago thanks.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

300w cinebench, love it... I got one of these for things for sh*ts and giggles and it's just uncoolable...

[@siftysessions4585]

@ der8auer EN, would you really say 1.7V with your Dram voltage is okay for daily? If so would you say another Gskill Bdie kit with XMP voltage of 1.5 would also be okay around 1.7V?

[@der8auer-en]

as long as cooling is alright - yes

[@Mr.Morden]

I want to get back in OC with my 5600X but I can't afford to accidentally enter the wrong voltage and fry my CPU memory controller. I use the Ryzen DRAM calculator but I can never seem to find all the corresponding voltage entries in BIOS.

[@strongforce8466]

when trying to overclock my ram ddr 4266 with my skylak 6700k on my z270 MSI titanium Mobo, it was such a nightmare to mess arround with VCCIO and SA voltage, it would be stable with +.10 IO then I bumped the SA and won't be stable, then had to bump again the SA, then instable, quite the headache and complicated/time consuming task, think I had good results with 1.25 and 1.26 maybe, but now that you mention 1.45 being ok for every day use I'm tempted to try.. also I had a problem where my system is stable for near 24h memtest, then realbench or AIDA Cpu test for hours and hours, yet I'd end up getting instability in the end, so I gave up on high RAM OC for now.. I had some benchmark runs stable at 4000 though and couldn't figure out a proper setting to get it 100% stable which is very sad.. probably would get more lucky with a newer CPU, I gonna need one of those AMD 3dvcache CPUs :) and later on.. I learned that having instable memory can corrupt your windows.. that's baad, and even testing can break it right ? so it's almost like we need a dedicated session just for doing that .. oh boy nice ram kit latency/speed btw..I wonder how much I could lower timings with my 4266 c19 😎

[@jaykay5369]

Great to see your review of this 4000C14 kit, Cheers! Hopefully be picking a kit or 2 of this up soon. Is it dual or single rank for the 2x16gb kit? I may have missed it

[@Boogeymanjw]

2x16 is always dual rank

[@jaykay5369]

@@Boogeymanjw not always unfortunately. I'd bloody expect it be dual rank at this price, but it's never in the advertised specs.

[@ashlol9389]

2x16 for samsung b die is always dual rank they don't exist in 16 only in 8 memory size

[@jaykay5369]

@@ashlol9389 Cheers

[@sabishiihito]

No love for the OCF or Unify-X?

[@tessierrr]

The psu didnt blow up when you overloaded it, what is this magic 🤣

[@ashlol9389]

this is not a gigabyte PSU :) thumbs up to GN for the explosive show

[@ReanuKeevesAus]

@@ashlol9389 which gigabyte Psu was it?

[@donjon7554]

I love the extreme cat

[@briankleinschmidt3664]

Back when memory was 10 dollars a kilobyte, it made sense to have memory expansion slots, but memory is so cheap now, why isn't it just hardwired into the MB? The manufacturer can supply 16 Gb and the consumer can add dimms if more is necessary. Wouldn't that be the fastest memory?

[@suqd674]

Do you know how long G.Skill is going to produce the Royal Elite 4000CL14? Not sure if I should prioritize buying them now.

[@ProkonsTechCenter]

Nice board, Nice features but I stay away from Gigabyte these days. Ive had their boards die at ambient and while running on Dice and taken out more than one nice cpu. Just testing the Z590 ocf. I think I prefer the Apex. That ram is sick...pricey. I would have liked to see what you squeezed out of it on the gear one ratio...possibly 3733 c13?. I primarily stick to Asus :)

[@NorokVokun]

I honestly am staying well away from them (and their Aorus brand) in general after the way they handled the whole PSU failure/"explosion" deal, even tho I am not a extreme ocer in any way (just a regular all day gaming use oc on my ryzen 5 3600... running at higher frequency at lower voltage than it would from PBO at just under 70°C, so that's a win... in my book. about a ~5-8% increase in average fps over stock I'd say)

[@dallatorretdu]

I wish next gen mainstream cpus will bring back the 3 or 4 channel memory... 3 was so sexy

[@gudenau]

I wonder if you can use a thermoelectric module to pre chill a normal air cooler to make the temperature difference greater instead of passing all the heat through the thermoelectric module directly.

[@durragas4671]

I can't wait to finish uni and get a job and then work for 20 years to have the experience and pay grade to afford this stuff. Fingers crossed society doesn't collapse by then.

[@chriskaradimos9394]

are they doing a tec cooler for the 12900k?

[@qgshadow]

What Overlay are you using to show all the stats in PubG?

[@fairycat]

Could you inform later please how long this CPU will be working?

[@mateuszbuczma1956]

I still don't understand why aorus is better than asus maximus? Someone cloud explain it to me?

[@yakacm]

Thanks.

[@Adel-sj4ue]

Is the ek quantumx a reliable long term cpu cooler?

[@jaysoncronly7041]

you're a cool dude, Roman

[@Muscleduck]

Memory kits get expensive real fast as soon as you want to go over 3600 MHz C16. I got the Trident Z Royal 3600 C14 and that was almost double of the C16 kit. The 4000 MHz kit is way more expensive again.

[@Raivo_K]

I got two of the 4400 C19 kits from Patriot. I can run those at 3600 C14 easily. One kit costs about 110€ and two about 220€. Much cheaper than spending 500+. Based on Buildzoids testing the bang for buck on these is exceptional. I mean getting 32GB 3600 C14 or even 3800 C14 capable for under 220€ is very good. For example G.Skill 3800 C14 32GB costs over 430€.

[@Muscleduck]

@@Raivo_K C19 is really slow though, that's why it's cheaper. You're at 8.64 ns true latency. 3600 C16 is at 8.89 ns.

[@Raivo_K]

@@Muscleduck That's the stock speed but these use B-Dies that can easily run 3600 C14.

[@quintyss1290]

Time for someone to invent a low-power, Peltier-like tech solution.

[@Keze13]

German guy, English video, Spanish shirt. Is there anything this guy CANT do!! 🤣🤣

[@M0nsterRipper]

can you mount that CPU block to a GPU ?

[@Kossmok]

EN Channel gang

[@Deathscythe91]

yeah we special , we got our own channel now

[@jonnytechno2662]

i got the GSKILL 4x16 64GB 3600MHZ CL 14

[@Delistd]

Is that CPU just horrible or those voltages needed for 11th gen CPUs? My 10900k and 10700k runs way faster at way lower voltages/temps....

[@ashlol9389]

this trfc of 700 kills everything set 350 and you would get much better latency

[@Raivo_K]

CineBench is not really memory sensitive.

[@N0N0111]

Yeah, the 700 tRFC hurts my soul especially he called it tuned settings... 500 tRFC is more respected, not sure how stable 350 tRFC would be on these speeds.

[@ashlol9389]

@@Raivo_K and ? the aida64 memory benchmark is ultra sensitive to this 49ns latency is garbage with such a kit

[@JwFu]

13:53 paw on fan

[@Hackerisitic]

You should talk to yt if they can transfer your English videos to this channel.

[@FakeMichau]

doubt

[@arch1107]

i think it will be easier and faster to just remove the english videos and reupload them here

[@Hackerisitic]

@@arch1107 I ment he should ask them to transfer the views on those videos too.

[@der8auer-en]

I wish youtube knew how to spell their own name xD wouldnt count on them

[@bismuth7730]

That CPU said "Adiós muchachos"

[@georgiospappas]

Got an 11900k used. Used its a good cpu. Last true ringbus all p cores with pcie 4.0. Not a fan of 12th ro 14th gen slow latency tech cpus.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

TOT - maybe Intel had an inbuilt kill switch to get you hungry for Alder Lake!

[@fist003]

watching again this video to help with the algorithm. RIP 11900k

[@jayhsyn]

The trfc is really high. This kit should be able to do 220 trfc

[@Raivo_K]

It is but XMP does not set tRFC and CineBench does not care about timings.

[@N0N0111]

Yeah, the 700 tRFC hurts my soul especially he called it tuned settings... 500 tRFC is more respected, not sure how stable 350 tRFC would be on these speeds.

[@jayhsyn]

@@N0N0111 buildzoid had it at 210 same kit and it was 4800mhz cl14

[@N0N0111]

@@jayhsyn Ahhh, good. I have that one in the watching queue :)

[@3mariusx]

Please make kryonaut extreme in 10grams seringe 😢 🙏

[@AeonMW2]

yeah it's died most likely because of VCCIO/SA

[@fredEVOIX]

was ? Ich verstehe nichts was ist das für ein Dialekt? ;)

[@WTP_DAVE]

All motherboards of any cost should come with rotated power connectors and a post code anything less is unacceptable

[@volodumurkalunyak4651]

"Extreme" memory settings??? I got some timings way better with Micron Rev E single rank 1.35V daily overclock (DDR4-4133, tCL 18, tRCDRD 22 tRCDWR 8, tRP 20, CR 1T GDM, tRAS 44, tRC 66, tRRD_S 4, tRRD_L 6, tWTR_S 4, tWTR_L 6, tWR 11, tRFC 724, tRDRDSCL 5, tWRWRSCL 5, tCWL 16, tRTP 13, tRDWR 13, tWRRD 2, tRDRDSD 4, tWRWRSD 6. You'r settings for B-die (B-die goes tighter than Rev E for those timings) tRRD_L 10, tWTR_S 15, tTWR_L 15, TFAW 48, tCKE 8, some of tWRWR*, tWRRD*, tRDRD*, tRDWR* could be improved a lot. B - die should also do high tRFI (probably 32000 for ddr4 4400) with low tRFC (probably 250 for ddr4 4400) at 1.76V

[@mylittlepwny3447]

I had the first Gen Tec on my 10900K. Absolute trash. I'll pass on the Tec cooler. I do love me the 4000 C14 memory kits. Wanna get myself 4 16 gb sticks and 4 8 gb sticks for benchmarking.

[@arch1107]

when i had windows xp, i used a usb wireless mouse and keyboard, i stopped using ps2 connectors in windows xp, xp behaved very well with usb too big motherboard, what would steve burke say about it? lol

[@Raivo_K]

The PS/2 connectors are there to get XP installed on newer hardware as XP lacks drivers for new USB controllers. Obviously once you have XP and drivers installed then you can proceed to using USB mouse and keyboard.

[@arch1107]

@@Raivo_K i don't have a xp machine anymore to try, but i believe that is rare the keyboard and mouse that will not work on xp, after all the drivers from xp still work on 7 and viceversa

[@simo9445tsns]

nice

[@NeroKoso]

Idk.. 11xxx CPUs shouldnt even have been a thing. They should have probably canceled those. But after this fiesta, Alder Lake will look really awesome thou.

[@Kaynahkier]

The cat checks the fan and temps in open set up. (Stretch) All good.

[@krane9259]

I love that he still plays pubg

[@StoneColdClassics]

Do one for Ryzen

[@frvo]

adiós muchachos!!

[@diamlierx]

Too much for a 24/7 system? so this wasn't supposed be a shopping list ? oh well too late now.

[@jessemazo4791]

it was probly the poor qc that killed your 11900 ....this is why i will never touch anything from GB with a 10 foot pole

[@phantomololo]

Focus gone in last part of video...

[@K9PT]

700 trfc is too high!

[@Raivo_K]

It is but XMP does not set tRFC and CineBench does not care about timings.

[@jessemazo4791]

and that could be why youtube deleted my comment ..never trust a review from a sponsor

[@arkama67]

lol 1.6 vccio vccsa is not okay, I would never run that even for a try. But as said these voltages depend on a lot of factors. Intel 11th datasheet state max vccsa is 1.5v. But previous generation were stated at 1.2 v max vccsa vccio +-5% thus the 1.25v you can see on some guides. I've seen a 10900k die at 1.35v vccsa so the 1.25 limit make sense to me.

[@greggreg2458]

My Z390 Aorus Master + 9900k sets vccio vccsa around 1.27/1.29 auto.

[@strongforce8466]

I think by "ok" he mean "ok for ln2 cooling hardcore overclocking, not everyday use

[@volodumurkalunyak4651]

1.6 V for VCCIO2 or VCCSA might be fine for LN2, but not for 90°C at 300W CPU power draw. I would say 1.6V VCCIO or VCCSA would be fine with Dry ice or chiller cooling.

[@strongforce8466]

@@volodumurkalunyak4651 I'm currently running my 4266 c19 kit at what looks to be stable 3866 c16 with 1.45 on both VCCSA AND VCCIO, previously I did not manage to get something stable above 3200 so I thought it was my CPU limiting me (6700k) but now I realize I simply was clueless about how to go about things, when you're barely stable, increase the timings and you're likely able to make it stable, still need more testing but it looks solid, and I definitely need to do some benchmarking and eventually even more timing tweaking when I find the patience to do so..

[@volodumurkalunyak4651]

@@strongforce8466 you'r VCCIO and VCCSA look safe to me, but I personally would not run this voltages that high if chip hits >80°C P. S. Congratulations with stable overclock on you'r 6700k + memory

[@NuniqueNewNork]

I approve of anybody with a cute cat and the brains to try a thermoelectric device. I think I have a brilliant idea for you to try. I need to you promise me that you'll try to help me patent and sell it. Contact me with a generic NDA that you won't compete with me in an invention to improve PC cooling. Anything over about 1.48 volts on RAM you want a RAM fan.

[@Teatime4Tom]

Ah. I see you also enjoy getting cat hairs off of fan spindles.

[@P2PC]

Good video, but Intel's 11th gen is just stagnant especially the 11900k, IMO the 11th gen was just a stopgap CPU series. I suggest if you want intel just wait for 12th gen as it will have much better performance either that or just get Ryzen 5000 instead.

[@der8auer-en]

Agreed 😁

[@P2PC]

@@der8auer-en Great work man 👍 Great channel. Thanks for making an English version, greatly appreciated 👍

[@colonelangus7535]

Yuck, gigabyte

[@norkris8729]

why does this and many of his videos says " werbevideo " ?

[@williammurdock3028]

mobo sucks, it killed the cpu

[@Ryuuken24]

These boards suck, only two ram slots, old ass keyboard and mouse plugs, either 2 or 1 slots. Every one of these boards are a waste of money.

[@Seibar42]

69 views, noice

[@thijsdee4556]

669 views, noice