I'd love it if Hornby made it possible to buy replacements of the steam generators, I'd instantly begin figuring out ways to cram those into some of my favorite models.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
We can't be too far away from being able to install these ourselves
@GelatoTacoАй бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway Let's hope. I'd love for another manufacturer to come out w/ a new tooling for the LNER N2 (my favorite class) and I can cram the generator in the smokebox
@grrfyАй бұрын
@@GelatoTaco aliexpress sell them for the really cheap rc cars, have done for a while
@brat96thАй бұрын
Unfortunately the tank is bespoke for each loco so that is the stopper for a generic retro-kit.
@modelrailfan37Ай бұрын
Michael Ramsey, a KZbinr, made a video on installing similar systems to G Scale locos and TRS Trains has done something similar with OO
@jurgenihlau405215 күн бұрын
very nice review, thanks for that. My vaporizer will probably be delivered tomorrow or Monday and I'm already very excited. :)
@garysoap7925Ай бұрын
Looks and sounds brilliant, with that sort of steam generator it from my experience it only clogs up when running slowly or at a standstill.
@YrinnaRhaizaRibeiroSantos-k6l24 күн бұрын
A Stunning model Steam dcc Scotty
@ryantaylor327815 күн бұрын
Hornby's A1s and A3s were retooled in 2022 I believe. They used to have an ugly seam line down the middle of the top of the boiler. Thats how you can tell the difference.
@anthonylulham3473Ай бұрын
If you are running these near Metcalfe models (eg tunnels or card bridges), just dont park the engine under while running, the water vapour will cause damage overtime, especially if you are running a lot of 'Steam' engines.
@EsotericArctosАй бұрын
The steam generator is a good addition. For me, workign lights and the other little gimmicks like the steam generator just add that realism to the model. I wish more steam loco models would have working lights though.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Yeah. John JMC adds lights to all his steam locos and they look incredible.
@IronHorseRailwaysАй бұрын
Jolly good Rob, seems like you're happy with it. Personally, a Scotsman would be the last thing I'd buy, seems to be running well enough! Cheers mate!
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Wrong region, wrong era, but I needed a Scotsman. Love it or hate it, it's piece of railway history.
@Knack-fo5dcАй бұрын
The locomotive rocks on the test rollers. Fancy bells and whistles but no manufacturer seems to be able to make a decent well engineered chassis. It's luck of the draw when you buy a model.
@bulleidboy1Ай бұрын
If it "rocks" on the rollers, it usually means the rollers are out of alignment with the loco wheels.
@Mr_Tea_RexxАй бұрын
im personally not a fan of the steamer.. but its a nice option for people that do like it
@NewModelRailway1Ай бұрын
Modeloco has presented a fix for the intermittent steam issue in one of his recent KZbin videos. It simply requires changing 1 or 2 of the CV settings. It's worth a watch. Glad to hear you're pleased with your loco.
@gregmacdonald927Ай бұрын
Was just about to comment the same thing. But you beat me to it! Nice model though.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
I'll check that out!
@davidstrains4910Ай бұрын
Dusty Shelf Collectables did a video talking about this fix, he did the fix himself and while there was a minor improvement the steam was still intermittent from time to time, I actually wonder if it’s got anything to do with the Scotsman being a single chimney loco because in the video he mentioned how the P2 doesn’t have this issue, I have just received one of those today but back to the loco it has double chimney and provided is an alternative chimney with a bigger hole for the steam to escape from, In the video he also shows how he is having to clear the chimney with a piece of tissue to get the steam coming out again.
@brat96thАй бұрын
There are 2 CVs one for chuff 'steam volume' and one for huff.
@NewModelRailway1Ай бұрын
@@brat96th So is CV211 the chuff? The amount of steam did seem to reduce in volume when others reduced 211 setting in their tests. If so, then CV212 would logically be the huff which I assume you would want to increase in order to make sure the steam gets ejected fully and not hang on to the chimney sides causing the build up. Does that make sense?
@modelmaker8597Ай бұрын
Excellent video - but I don't think you could call it the same tooling from years ago. The big differences are that this one has a metal running board, not plastic, and the previous version had an ugly join line right down the middle of the top of the boiler - right where you don't want it - which makes the seams on this one more than acceptable by comparison. I can see why you might think it's the same tooling - they look very similar, but that's only because they're both excellent representations of the prototype.
@DaveAtLittletonАй бұрын
Good point about the potential for mould, I would suggest running only in a warm room, so, turning the smoke off if in an attic or shed, during the winter, but I would think water vapour, which can by dryed off with a hair dryer, is preferable to deposits left behind by oil based ones. I don't know if the speaker could be changed by removing the mounting plate.?
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Could probably mess around with the DCC socket mount to fit a better speaker, but bit of a faff.
@cesarcarranza216Ай бұрын
How come I feel like that a lot of railway model fans in the uk are going crazy
@jackstrains4468Ай бұрын
Looks awesome Rob! What a beautiful loco and the features are amazing! I would love to get one at some point but I only use DC - do you think I can use it on DC with the smoke generator? I doubt it'd work but I thought you'd be more experienced and would potentially have a better understanding of DCC 😅😅 great video as always mate!
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Good thing about HM7000 is you don't need a full DCC setup. Use a suitable DC supply and control it via the app.
@timharrison2894Ай бұрын
I doubt you can get smoke on DC/analog. Maybe Hornby are trying to get more of us in to hm7000. I'm doing great with it tbh, and all you'd need to fork out on to start is the right power supply. I got a Hornby select off eBay. Think this channel has really good videos on this
@jackstrains4468Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway ah, thanks Rob, I may give it a try then!
@LiveSteamNickАй бұрын
The steam problem is the small chimney orifice on the Scotsman. It cant let enough of the steam out before closing. My P2 with steam gen has a much larger outlet and a double chimney with no means to clog, however, it is getting a new Road and Rails speaker to improve the sound department. 8 ohms only though.
@StormmyStormmyАй бұрын
Nice loco, I wonder if the evening star and the Mallard will get steam generators fitted, I do like Hornby steam locomotives and I have a few in my collection, if or when they make these locomotives compatible with other sound decoders then I will consider buying one, thanks for sharing.
@tabishahmedpkАй бұрын
Wow Awesome 👍
@paulsharpe3794Ай бұрын
Hi there looking good, I'm wondering how my Metcarfe bridges are going to react to all that water
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
I've got the same concerns
@PlatformONE2 күн бұрын
Does that G in Flying on the box at the top seem to be a C?
@Knack-fo5dcАй бұрын
This mechanism was used to make electric fires smoke 15 years ago
@AndrewH561Ай бұрын
I have just received this loco and I have to say I think it is great. The only (very slight) issue I have is that because the 'water tank' plug was very hard to get out (it was an extremely tight fit) it flew across the room when I extracted it and I am now in the process of trying to get a replacement. Maybe I did something wrong but I wonder if there is a simple way to remove and replace the plug.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Easily done I think. A screw in plug might have been better or something magnetic.
@AndrewH561Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway I agree. It would have been better to have a screw plug..
@angelosparanero1018Ай бұрын
Bellissimo video spiegato bene ,una curiosità lo smoke generator funziona con water. Di solito vanno tutti con olio ti ringrazio fammi sapere, un saluto da Roma
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Grazie per la visione
@pebbleschan6085Ай бұрын
You need to add soot to the mix and wear a period hat for a more realistic reenactment. 😂
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
😂
@richardsweeney197Ай бұрын
I've seen a review of the new P2 with steam generator and the fill is behind the smokebox door. It looks like a better solution. Any way, I look forward to getting a locomotive with this option. I hate the oil based ones.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
How is the smoke box door held on? Magnets?
@supstersmodelrailways3202Ай бұрын
Hi. Nice review. Thank you. Can you just confirm that it does or doesn’t have a metal running plate above the wheels or is it plastic? Cheers. Dave.
@charlotteistance4386Ай бұрын
Come on Rob... lets see you 3D print the all female crew!! 😉
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Yes! Do you have a scan?
@charlotteistance4386Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailwayI could send you the pictures of us 🤣
@Rturn2609Ай бұрын
I want a female crew as well! I guess the era is why it’s male?
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
@@charlotteistance4386 you should contact Modelu. They were after models and the first female Flying Scotsman crew would be special.
@petes6814Ай бұрын
I wonder if you could use dyed water for a more “darker smokey” effect? (I somehow doubt it though)
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Interesting thought. I wouldn't be brave enough to try it on this model.
@rocketchen2890Ай бұрын
@@petes6814 Nah I think it will only clogged up the system.
@JohnHill-qo3hbАй бұрын
Nice model, I have the older TTS unit. It seems that the Brit manufacturers tend to resurrect old molds or remake the older molds leaving off any extra detail that modellers want now a days as a standard business practice, reminds me of the Austin Marina, as a friend of mine at the time said, the operation was a success, but the patient died. I wonder if there is any UK modeller pressure on Rapido Trains UK for them to do any of the classic historical steamers, now that would be an incredible model, pricey though.
@NewModelRailway1Ай бұрын
Back in the early 1990's I was having a conversation with an accountant about how quickly office equipment or computers got dated. I questioned why the manufacturers couldn't just hold back a year and bring out a product with 2 years worth of improvements. He told me (back then) that Japanese R&D departments were typically working on the product that will make obsolete the product that they're going to release next year. It's how they keep us spending our money.
@keiththesoundguy2890Ай бұрын
Are you driving the model via Bluetooth or via DCC? if the latter, which DCC system are you using? This model does not operate at all well via my high-end Zimo system (but is ok using a Gaugemaster Prodigy). Also, it won’t link to my iPad so I can try on Bluetooth; it comes up as a ‘resettable device’ but has never been linked so the code is NOT in device manager of the app . Therefore, I need to contact Hornby for the code. This is a ridiculous situation as I can’t now do anything with it until Monday when I can call Hornby. This is the exact reason I don’t like mixing model railway operation with apps or anything to do with computers. I only have 2 HM7000 and both need Hornby’s involvement to get them set up! By the way, you will find that the chuffs are only in sync with wheel rotation at certain speeds as the chuff frequency changes in fixed increments, rather than the infinitely variable changes used by Zimo or Loksound decoders.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Operated via Bluetooth in the video. The decoder showing up as a resettable device is a known issue. I made a video on it with some possible solutions. You shouldn't need to actually reset it. If you do want to reset it then use the code a4c13800 followed by the last 4 letters/digits of the decoder's MAC address which you'll be able to see if it's appearing in the app.
@keiththesoundguy2890Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway thanks so much for the info, I will try the reset as per your guidance, although I need it to work with my Zimo DCC system as I prefer using physical buttons so I can watch the trains rather than having to look at a screen to check where my finger is! It’s a personal preference not a criticism ..... ‘ horses for courses’ as they say. 😊
@jamiemurney9857Ай бұрын
Hi which rolling road is that you use please ? Thanks
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
It's the Hornby rolling road R8211 (amzn.to/3XMBo2b). It's good for steam locos, but not so good for diesels. Shop around, there are other options out there that might be better.
@michaelball68Ай бұрын
Great review Rob. I couldn't resist buying one myself a few days ago, unboxed it last night and started playing, and so far very impressed. First time I've tried HM7000 with the Hm/DCC app, and have to say I think it's amazing. Question for you if you have time... in the video I notice you are using a Hornby turntable on the layout. I looked for a video from the layout build period but couldn't see one that looked like it might cover the turntable. I'm in the middle of layout design at present and really fancy a turntable but all the options seem either too expensive, too clunky or the wrong size (Atlas). How have you found the Hornby one? Apart from noisy that is, I know it makes a racket!
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Hi Michael 👋 glad you're enjoying the model too. It's a good one. I've only used the Hornby turntable and as you say, it's super noisy. I found that the tracks didn't always align when they were meant to, so hand of god had to come in. I don't think the turntable itself stays powered, it only connects when aligned (I think), which isn't great for sound fitted locos or Bluetooth. There must be better options out there. I've definitely seen conversions of non motorised turntables.
@michaelball68Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway thanks for that Rob 👍 Yes, I've seen videos of Hornby and Peco mods and conversions, and I found a brilliant article on converting both the Hornby and Peco turntables to DCC with the bridge being constantly powered. Complicated but it can be done!
@paulmacey9084Ай бұрын
do you have to have a hornby decoder as I don't like there blue tooth decoder
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
The HM7000 (Bluetooth) decoder comes preinstalled and setup to operate the steam generator, so it's pretty much a package and, personally, I wouldn't try to change it. The HM7000 decoders are essentially normal DCC decoders with the added option of Bluetooth, they can be used in exactly the same way as any other decoder. They've got functionality to rival far more expensive decoders. What don't you like about them?
@keiththesoundguy2890Ай бұрын
I will be looking at some point in the near future to replace the decoder with a Zimo sound decoder because the HM7000 doesn’t work at all well with my Zimo DCC system. I’ll replay here on how I get on in a few weeks.
@andrewhotston983Ай бұрын
It is possible to pack any more stuff to go wrong into an OO gauge loco??!!
@rocketchen2890Ай бұрын
Is tap water just fine ? Or should I use distilled water?
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
I don't think the instructions say distilled water.
@rocketchen2890Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway so tap water it shall be I order my from tmc. Can’t wait to see this lovely loco up and running with some pullmans.
@fladder1Ай бұрын
Looks like they use the same technology as trs trains invented. I wonder if they licensed it...
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Did TRS invent it? I'd also be interested to know. I wonder if getting a decoder to pulse an atomiser in response to wheel rotations is licensable, it's not really a new concept. Maybe the design of reservoir/wicking system was special?
@fladder1Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway a year ago I saw an interview with the "Inventor" here on KZbin somewhere. And while you might be right about the fact that none of the technology is new. The application of using a water atomizer in a model train, synchronised with sound/wheel motion is. And he was applying for a patent. Which I wager would succeed. After all, new applications and combinations of existing technology get patented all the time.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
@@fladder1 my knowledge of intellectual property law isn't great, but it looks like this idea was first patented in Germany back in 2005 patents.google.com/patent/DE202005005647U1/en
@fladder1Ай бұрын
Lol, just goes to show that even in this case we shouldn't believe what someone claims😅 Thanks for the patent link I'll study that. Maybe I'll find a way to fit a similar system in an n scale loc
@fladder1Ай бұрын
Looks like the patent expired 9 years ago
@jrisner1951Ай бұрын
❤ to own one. Will Hornby ship to the USA?
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
If Hornby won't then I'm sure some retailers will. Shipping is likely to be expensive.
@learn_with_gernАй бұрын
Is there any mention of using distilled water for the steam? Or can you use just tap water? Maybe there was and I missed it.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
I don't recall seeing the word "distilled" in the instructions
@bulleidboy1Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway I recall seeing a comment that de-ionised water is best - type used for acid car batteries and steam irons - it's cheap in Halfords. If you live in a hard water area, you might, in time, experience scale forming in the works.
@LiveSteamNickАй бұрын
Ultimately Distilled water will be best in the long run, as no part of the generator will clog up over time. This could be the reason those running on tap water or deionised water may be having blocking issues. Just my thoughts
@alanwhite4003Ай бұрын
Hi Rob, would you (or anyone in the comments) know how I could connect a BDL 168 (or similar block detector), to detect a OO gauge loco on one of many blocks within a reversing loop. Will a block detector work if the current is reversed ? Many thanks, Regards Alan
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Afraid I'm not familiar with BDL168s, but isn't this a DCC detector? It should detect regardless of how it's connected to the DCC bus. How you wire your reverse loop to avoid shorts is the key.
@alanwhite4003Ай бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailway many thanks Rob 👍
@grah84mckАй бұрын
Hi rob I got mines today! I use bachmann dynamis controller. Do you need anything other than the app to get it to work. Can't seem to get anything moving
@davidstrains4910Ай бұрын
On the app you need to go into locomotive setting and switch Control mode from Bluetooth to DCC.
@grah84mckАй бұрын
Now the app is telling me it doesn't recognise it. Why do they need to make stuff so difficult.
@davidstrains4910Ай бұрын
@@grah84mck Just to clarify this is the HM7000 app you are talking about isn’t it, on that all you need to do is this. Select the locomotive you want from the top of the screen Click Locomotive settings Scroll down to Control mode and on that there is a slider which slides between Bluetooth and DCC If it’s the dynamis you are talking about I’m afraid I can’t help you as I have no experience of that.
@grah84mckАй бұрын
@davidstrains4910 yeah on the app. It can't find out now. Sent a email got a new code number still can't find it. Keeps telling me to take off the tracks for 5seconds if have a powerbank to leave for 60seconds. Just imagine if this was for someone christmas what a total disaster. Not a complete idiot tho these message will be making me sound like one. Talk about making thinks difficult. It's a nearly £300 model and it is a utter disaster.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
When you say "doesn't recognise" what do you mean? Is it showing up in resettable devices or not at all? This is the HM DCC app.
@josefbucklandАй бұрын
I cancelled pre order last night and this video confirms we still have a couple years of improvements until we revisit this great progress but from the other videos there are still some challenges that need working out. Price wise it’s very on par and those who pre ordered do get a nice discount but for me the new Bachmann class 31 with that auto uncoupler is my focus for the next loco video stay safe.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
What needs to change before you would order? The auto uncoupler looks awesome.
@NathanielKempsonАй бұрын
My main concern with this gimmick, is moisture. Whats it going to do to your card foot bridges and tunnels etc. Its cool though, but i think I prefer the suthe smoke units, the smoke is thicker and I think better. Though that does have its own issues
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
Yeah, moisture on wood and card might not be ideal
@LiveSteamNickАй бұрын
@@LittleWicketRailwayyou would give your card superstructures a coat of Matt varnish to seal the surfaces. Worth doing anyway to protect from general moisture in the atmosphere.
@stewartclark1847Ай бұрын
Just watch modeloco and he pickup a type error on the front of the box. Have a look at the Flying Scotsman logo. The ‘g’ is a ‘c’. Just an interesting miss by Hornby.
@LittleWicketRailwayАй бұрын
I don't think that's an error. If you look at the actual Flying Scotsman name plates this is how the G appears.