Hornby Flying Scotsman Review |💨Steam Generator💨| 🔊TXS Sound 🔊

[@waverleycross4231]

Nice one. I'm very tempted. I also had a 1970's Jinty that produced smoke with oil. I think water is much safer. I might be treating my self early for Christmas 😄

[@garysoap7925]

Looks and sounds brilliant, with that sort of steam generator it from my experience it only clogs up when running slowly or at a standstill.

[@jurgenihlau4052]

very nice review, thanks for that. My vaporizer will probably be delivered tomorrow or Monday and I'm already very excited. :)

[@GelatoTaco]

I'd love it if Hornby made it possible to buy replacements of the steam generators, I'd instantly begin figuring out ways to cram those into some of my favorite models.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

We can't be too far away from being able to install these ourselves

[@GelatoTaco]

@@LittleWicketRailway Let's hope. I'd love for another manufacturer to come out w/ a new tooling for the LNER N2 (my favorite class) and I can cram the generator in the smokebox

[@grrfy]

@@GelatoTaco aliexpress sell them for the really cheap rc cars, have done for a while

[@brat96th]

Unfortunately the tank is bespoke for each loco so that is the stopper for a generic retro-kit.

[@modelrailfan37]

Michael Ramsey, a KZbinr, made a video on installing similar systems to G Scale locos and TRS Trains has done something similar with OO

[@YrinnaRhaizaRibeiroSantos-k6l]

A Stunning model Steam dcc Scotty

[@garethw8884]

Brilliant video, fella. Only came across your channel today for another video. Enjoying them so far

[@boulecoq1700]

Great video mate. I’ll have one of these for Xmas. I had a jinty from the 60s that produced smoke. The smell used to fill the room. 😁😁😁😁

[@LittleWicketRailway]

It'll be a good Christmas present, no authentic smell with this one though.

[@ryantaylor3278]

Hornby's A1s and A3s were retooled in 2022 I believe. They used to have an ugly seam line down the middle of the top of the boiler. Thats how you can tell the difference.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Thanks for the info. The old Black 5 has the ugly seam line too.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Jolly good Rob, seems like you're happy with it. Personally, a Scotsman would be the last thing I'd buy, seems to be running well enough! Cheers mate!

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Wrong region, wrong era, but I needed a Scotsman. Love it or hate it, it's piece of railway history.

[@EsotericArctos]

The steam generator is a good addition. For me, workign lights and the other little gimmicks like the steam generator just add that realism to the model. I wish more steam loco models would have working lights though.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Yeah. John JMC adds lights to all his steam locos and they look incredible.

[@DaveAtLittleton]

Good point about the potential for mould, I would suggest running only in a warm room, so, turning the smoke off if in an attic or shed, during the winter, but I would think water vapour, which can by dryed off with a hair dryer, is preferable to deposits left behind by oil based ones. I don't know if the speaker could be changed by removing the mounting plate.?

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Could probably mess around with the DCC socket mount to fit a better speaker, but bit of a faff.

[@jackstrains4468]

Looks awesome Rob! What a beautiful loco and the features are amazing! I would love to get one at some point but I only use DC - do you think I can use it on DC with the smoke generator? I doubt it'd work but I thought you'd be more experienced and would potentially have a better understanding of DCC 😅😅 great video as always mate!

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Good thing about HM7000 is you don't need a full DCC setup. Use a suitable DC supply and control it via the app.

[@timharrison2894]

I doubt you can get smoke on DC/analog. Maybe Hornby are trying to get more of us in to hm7000. I'm doing great with it tbh, and all you'd need to fork out on to start is the right power supply. I got a Hornby select off eBay. Think this channel has really good videos on this

[@jackstrains4468]

@@LittleWicketRailway ah, thanks Rob, I may give it a try then!

[@oleks323]

Hello, I am using hornby HMDC app, can I use this locomotive with it ? I have downloaded hm7000 app.

[@oleks323]

​@@LittleWicketRailwayHello, I am using hornby HMDC app, can I use this locomotive with it ? I have downloaded hm7000 app.

[@AndrewH561]

I have just received this loco and I have to say I think it is great. The only (very slight) issue I have is that because the 'water tank' plug was very hard to get out (it was an extremely tight fit) it flew across the room when I extracted it and I am now in the process of trying to get a replacement. Maybe I did something wrong but I wonder if there is a simple way to remove and replace the plug.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Easily done I think. A screw in plug might have been better or something magnetic.

[@AndrewH561]

@@LittleWicketRailway I agree. It would have been better to have a screw plug..

[@anthonylulham3473]

If you are running these near Metcalfe models (eg tunnels or card bridges), just dont park the engine under while running, the water vapour will cause damage overtime, especially if you are running a lot of 'Steam' engines.

[@LiveSteamNick]

The steam problem is the small chimney orifice on the Scotsman. It cant let enough of the steam out before closing. My P2 with steam gen has a much larger outlet and a double chimney with no means to clog, however, it is getting a new Road and Rails speaker to improve the sound department. 8 ohms only though.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I've heard the P2 doesn't have the same issue. Bet the speaker upgrade really makes a difference.

[@harrycampbell2668]

Hi fantastic video does it work straight from the box into my old double oo track I run my old Scotsman on

[@LittleWicketRailway]

If you run oo track then it should work

[@StormmyStormmy]

Nice loco, I wonder if the evening star and the Mallard will get steam generators fitted, I do like Hornby steam locomotives and I have a few in my collection, if or when they make these locomotives compatible with other sound decoders then I will consider buying one, thanks for sharing.

[@modelmaker8597]

Excellent video - but I don't think you could call it the same tooling from years ago. The big differences are that this one has a metal running board, not plastic, and the previous version had an ugly join line right down the middle of the top of the boiler - right where you don't want it - which makes the seams on this one more than acceptable by comparison. I can see why you might think it's the same tooling - they look very similar, but that's only because they're both excellent representations of the prototype.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I see what you're saying, but they don't advertise it as a new tooling 🤷

[@SpringCottageModelRailway]

Lovely loco Rob. Do they recommend using deionised water? I wonder if hard water would form scale? I guess it’s not heating it like a kettle. David.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I don't think that's mentioned in the instructions. What does hard water do to atomisers?

[@cesarcarranza216]

How come I feel like that a lot of railway model fans in the uk are going crazy

[@tabishahmedpk]

Wow Awesome 👍

[@supstersmodelrailways3202]

Hi. Nice review. Thank you. Can you just confirm that it does or doesn’t have a metal running plate above the wheels or is it plastic? Cheers. Dave.

[@LiveSteamNick]

@@supstersmodelrailways3202 it does!!

[@JohnHill-qo3hb]

Nice model, I have the older TTS unit. It seems that the Brit manufacturers tend to resurrect old molds or remake the older molds leaving off any extra detail that modellers want now a days as a standard business practice, reminds me of the Austin Marina, as a friend of mine at the time said, the operation was a success, but the patient died. I wonder if there is any UK modeller pressure on Rapido Trains UK for them to do any of the classic historical steamers, now that would be an incredible model, pricey though.

[@richardsweeney197]

I've seen a review of the new P2 with steam generator and the fill is behind the smokebox door. It looks like a better solution. Any way, I look forward to getting a locomotive with this option. I hate the oil based ones.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

How is the smoke box door held on? Magnets?

[@keiththesoundguy2890]

Are you driving the model via Bluetooth or via DCC? if the latter, which DCC system are you using? This model does not operate at all well via my high-end Zimo system (but is ok using a Gaugemaster Prodigy). Also, it won’t link to my iPad so I can try on Bluetooth; it comes up as a ‘resettable device’ but has never been linked so the code is NOT in device manager of the app . Therefore, I need to contact Hornby for the code. This is a ridiculous situation as I can’t now do anything with it until Monday when I can call Hornby. This is the exact reason I don’t like mixing model railway operation with apps or anything to do with computers. I only have 2 HM7000 and both need Hornby’s involvement to get them set up! By the way, you will find that the chuffs are only in sync with wheel rotation at certain speeds as the chuff frequency changes in fixed increments, rather than the infinitely variable changes used by Zimo or Loksound decoders.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Operated via Bluetooth in the video. The decoder showing up as a resettable device is a known issue. I made a video on it with some possible solutions. You shouldn't need to actually reset it. If you do want to reset it then use the code a4c13800 followed by the last 4 letters/digits of the decoder's MAC address which you'll be able to see if it's appearing in the app.

[@keiththesoundguy2890]

@@LittleWicketRailway thanks so much for the info, I will try the reset as per your guidance, although I need it to work with my Zimo DCC system as I prefer using physical buttons so I can watch the trains rather than having to look at a screen to check where my finger is! It’s a personal preference not a criticism ..... ‘ horses for courses’ as they say. 😊

[@paulsharpe3794]

Hi there looking good, I'm wondering how my Metcarfe bridges are going to react to all that water

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I've got the same concerns

[@LiveSteamNick]

@@paulsharpe3794 just give them a blast of Matt varnish and all will be well.

[@angelosparanero1018]

Bellissimo video spiegato bene ,una curiosità lo smoke generator funziona con water. Di solito vanno tutti con olio ti ringrazio fammi sapere, un saluto da Roma

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Grazie per la visione

[@michaelball68]

Great review Rob. I couldn't resist buying one myself a few days ago, unboxed it last night and started playing, and so far very impressed. First time I've tried HM7000 with the Hm/DCC app, and have to say I think it's amazing. Question for you if you have time... in the video I notice you are using a Hornby turntable on the layout. I looked for a video from the layout build period but couldn't see one that looked like it might cover the turntable. I'm in the middle of layout design at present and really fancy a turntable but all the options seem either too expensive, too clunky or the wrong size (Atlas). How have you found the Hornby one? Apart from noisy that is, I know it makes a racket!

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Hi Michael 👋 glad you're enjoying the model too. It's a good one. I've only used the Hornby turntable and as you say, it's super noisy. I found that the tracks didn't always align when they were meant to, so hand of god had to come in. I don't think the turntable itself stays powered, it only connects when aligned (I think), which isn't great for sound fitted locos or Bluetooth. There must be better options out there. I've definitely seen conversions of non motorised turntables.

[@michaelball68]

@@LittleWicketRailway thanks for that Rob 👍 Yes, I've seen videos of Hornby and Peco mods and conversions, and I found a brilliant article on converting both the Hornby and Peco turntables to DCC with the bridge being constantly powered. Complicated but it can be done!

[@That1Redhead28]

Hello, Michael, just thought I could give you my thoughts if you still need help. I got the hornby turntable while my friend got the peco. the peco was extremely hard to control and wire. if you get the peco I suggest turning it manually. now for the hornby one. I found that wiring it directly to a spare controller, separate from the track, was so much easier than what its meant to do with that switch thing. It also powers whatever track it has automatically lined up to

[@michaelball68]

@@That1Redhead28 many thanks for that, I’ll keep it in mind!

[@petes6814]

I wonder if you could use dyed water for a more “darker smokey” effect? (I somehow doubt it though)

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Interesting thought. I wouldn't be brave enough to try it on this model.

[@rocketchen2890]

@@petes6814 Nah I think it will only clogged up the system.

[@Knack-fo5dc]

The locomotive rocks on the test rollers. Fancy bells and whistles but no manufacturer seems to be able to make a decent well engineered chassis. It's luck of the draw when you buy a model.

[@bulleidboy1]

If it "rocks" on the rollers, it usually means the rollers are out of alignment with the loco wheels.

[@Mr_Tea_Rexx]

im personally not a fan of the steamer.. but its a nice option for people that do like it

[@jamiemurney9857]

Hi which rolling road is that you use please ? Thanks

[@LittleWicketRailway]

It's the Hornby rolling road R8211 (amzn.to/3XMBo2b). It's good for steam locos, but not so good for diesels. Shop around, there are other options out there that might be better.

[@PlatformONE]

Does that G in Flying on the box at the top seem to be a C?

[@LittleWicketRailway]

It does, but I believe that is how it appears in real life on the Flying Scotsman name plate.

[@Knack-fo5dc]

This mechanism was used to make electric fires smoke 15 years ago

[@pebbleschan6085]

You need to add soot to the mix and wear a period hat for a more realistic reenactment. 😂

[@LittleWicketRailway]

😂

[@paulmacey9084]

do you have to have a hornby decoder as I don't like there blue tooth decoder

[@LittleWicketRailway]

The HM7000 (Bluetooth) decoder comes preinstalled and setup to operate the steam generator, so it's pretty much a package and, personally, I wouldn't try to change it. The HM7000 decoders are essentially normal DCC decoders with the added option of Bluetooth, they can be used in exactly the same way as any other decoder. They've got functionality to rival far more expensive decoders. What don't you like about them?

[@keiththesoundguy2890]

I will be looking at some point in the near future to replace the decoder with a Zimo sound decoder because the HM7000 doesn’t work at all well with my Zimo DCC system. I’ll replay here on how I get on in a few weeks.

[@learn_with_gern]

Is there any mention of using distilled water for the steam? Or can you use just tap water? Maybe there was and I missed it.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I don't recall seeing the word "distilled" in the instructions

[@bulleidboy1]

@@LittleWicketRailway I recall seeing a comment that de-ionised water is best - type used for acid car batteries and steam irons - it's cheap in Halfords. If you live in a hard water area, you might, in time, experience scale forming in the works.

[@LiveSteamNick]

Ultimately Distilled water will be best in the long run, as no part of the generator will clog up over time. This could be the reason those running on tap water or deionised water may be having blocking issues. Just my thoughts

[@Steve_RobbieRaygun]

@@LiveSteamNick It's the same with a Mamod or Wileso traction engines. The boilers tend to scale up with tap water.

[@grah84mck]

Hi rob I got mines today! I use bachmann dynamis controller. Do you need anything other than the app to get it to work. Can't seem to get anything moving

[@davidstrains4910]

On the app you need to go into locomotive setting and switch Control mode from Bluetooth to DCC.

[@grah84mck]

Now the app is telling me it doesn't recognise it. Why do they need to make stuff so difficult.

[@davidstrains4910]

@@grah84mck Just to clarify this is the HM7000 app you are talking about isn’t it, on that all you need to do is this. Select the locomotive you want from the top of the screen Click Locomotive settings Scroll down to Control mode and on that there is a slider which slides between Bluetooth and DCC If it’s the dynamis you are talking about I’m afraid I can’t help you as I have no experience of that.

[@grah84mck]

@davidstrains4910 yeah on the app. It can't find out now. Sent a email got a new code number still can't find it. Keeps telling me to take off the tracks for 5seconds if have a powerbank to leave for 60seconds. Just imagine if this was for someone christmas what a total disaster. Not a complete idiot tho these message will be making me sound like one. Talk about making thinks difficult. It's a nearly £300 model and it is a utter disaster.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

When you say "doesn't recognise" what do you mean? Is it showing up in resettable devices or not at all? This is the HM DCC app.

[@rocketchen2890]

Is tap water just fine ? Or should I use distilled water?

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I don't think the instructions say distilled water.

[@rocketchen2890]

@@LittleWicketRailway so tap water it shall be I order my from tmc. Can’t wait to see this lovely loco up and running with some pullmans.

[@charlotteistance4386]

Come on Rob... lets see you 3D print the all female crew!! 😉

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Yes! Do you have a scan?

[@charlotteistance4386]

@@LittleWicketRailwayI could send you the pictures of us 🤣

[@Rturn2609]

I want a female crew as well! I guess the era is why it’s male?

[@LittleWicketRailway]

@@charlotteistance4386 you should contact Modelu. They were after models and the first female Flying Scotsman crew would be special.

[@alanwhite4003]

Hi Rob, would you (or anyone in the comments) know how I could connect a BDL 168 (or similar block detector), to detect a OO gauge loco on one of many blocks within a reversing loop. Will a block detector work if the current is reversed ? Many thanks, Regards Alan

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Afraid I'm not familiar with BDL168s, but isn't this a DCC detector? It should detect regardless of how it's connected to the DCC bus. How you wire your reverse loop to avoid shorts is the key.

[@alanwhite4003]

@@LittleWicketRailway many thanks Rob 👍

[@jrisner1951]

❤ to own one. Will Hornby ship to the USA?

[@LittleWicketRailway]

If Hornby won't then I'm sure some retailers will. Shipping is likely to be expensive.

[@fladder1]

Looks like they use the same technology as trs trains invented. I wonder if they licensed it...

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Did TRS invent it? I'd also be interested to know. I wonder if getting a decoder to pulse an atomiser in response to wheel rotations is licensable, it's not really a new concept. Maybe the design of reservoir/wicking system was special?

[@fladder1]

@@LittleWicketRailway a year ago I saw an interview with the "Inventor" here on KZbin somewhere. And while you might be right about the fact that none of the technology is new. The application of using a water atomizer in a model train, synchronised with sound/wheel motion is. And he was applying for a patent. Which I wager would succeed. After all, new applications and combinations of existing technology get patented all the time.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

@@fladder1 my knowledge of intellectual property law isn't great, but it looks like this idea was first patented in Germany back in 2005 patents.google.com/patent/DE202005005647U1/en

[@fladder1]

Lol, just goes to show that even in this case we shouldn't believe what someone claims😅 Thanks for the patent link I'll study that. Maybe I'll find a way to fit a similar system in an n scale loc

[@fladder1]

Looks like the patent expired 9 years ago

[@josefbuckland]

I cancelled pre order last night and this video confirms we still have a couple years of improvements until we revisit this great progress but from the other videos there are still some challenges that need working out. Price wise it’s very on par and those who pre ordered do get a nice discount but for me the new Bachmann class 31 with that auto uncoupler is my focus for the next loco video stay safe.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

What needs to change before you would order? The auto uncoupler looks awesome.

[@andrewhotston983]

It is possible to pack any more stuff to go wrong into an OO gauge loco??!!

[@NathanielKempson]

My main concern with this gimmick, is moisture. Whats it going to do to your card foot bridges and tunnels etc. Its cool though, but i think I prefer the suthe smoke units, the smoke is thicker and I think better. Though that does have its own issues

[@LittleWicketRailway]

Yeah, moisture on wood and card might not be ideal

[@LiveSteamNick]

@@LittleWicketRailwayyou would give your card superstructures a coat of Matt varnish to seal the surfaces. Worth doing anyway to protect from general moisture in the atmosphere.

[@darrellnorton2208]

Unfortunately it's typical hornby when it comes to cutting a corner with regards to the speaker, , I know it comes down to money when there designing things but the tinny sound has been there downfall for years now, improve the sound tone and you automatically help justify your price, tinny sound makes everyone question the price straight away,

[@stewartclark1847]

Just watch modeloco and he pickup a type error on the front of the box. Have a look at the Flying Scotsman logo. The ‘g’ is a ‘c’. Just an interesting miss by Hornby.

[@LittleWicketRailway]

I don't think that's an error. If you look at the actual Flying Scotsman name plates this is how the G appears.

[@davidblevins5007]

Why another flying Scotsman OO model why not a model of something new like a Hornby model of Green Arrow a new version of Duchess of Hamilton a County tank a LNWR loco like a Claughton or Prince of Wales SECR O1 class a A8 A5 hornby version of a V1/V3 tank the Bachmann model is quite old a J39 again the Bachmann model is older