【LIVE A LIVE】シン・ラスボス戦 GIGALOMANIA【リメイク】

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CHARACTER DESIGN
© 1994, 2022 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.
© 1994, SHOGAKUKAN Inc.
Gosho Aoyama, Yoshihide Fujiwara, Osamu Ishiwata, Yoshinori Kobayashi, Ryouji Minagawa, Kazuhiko Shimamoto, Yumi Tamura
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[@RaspberyLemonade]

I was tearing up during this final battle, and then I couldn't help but just start crying when Oersted came out and helped the main team, this is one of the best games of all time and I am so very happy that I got to play it after all these years. It's a beautiful game and I wish I could experience it for the first time all over again, because that first playthrough of all the stories leading up to the finale was truly magical.

[@codysonic1]

So many years passed since the original version of the game came out…now he redeemed himself and died as a true hero.

[@gurvmlk]

People sometimes ask the question, "If you could have one super power, what would it be?" My answer to that has often been that I would want the power of selective forgetting. To be able to temporarily erase select memories from my mind. Namely in regards to things like video games and movies, so that I could re-experience them blind. Because no matter how much replay value a game has, subsequent runs are never quite the same as the first.

[@Jose_Doe]

Say WHAT HE BECOMES A TRUE HERO!!!

[@codysonic1]

@@Jose_Doe it’s during the final boss though that is exclusive to the remake

[@vegalucas7782]

From what I understand, Odio was a incarnation of hate itself. He was once a hero much like Oersted, he became famous, respected, and people would cheer his name for his heroic deeds. But one day an incident happened that would change his fate forever. The kingdom Odio had sought for to protect had so many dark secrets, his followers, friends, champions, his king and his love would do anything to cover their secrets. Odio did the unthinkable by self defense on each individual who tries to kill Odio. His bloody hands were all scattered through the scene, his world he believes had crumble before his eyes. People in his kingdom would come realize and torture Odio for his action. He was treated like a trash, lowly scum, heartless monster. One day, Odio was sentenced to death and was sent to the mountain, he was blindfolded and hanged infront of many people, but before he died he shouted at them, that he would swore to kill everyone, he swore he would force everyone know how he felt, he swore that he would return even after he died, and so he did. His hate toward mankinds fuels his strength, through his bottomless emotions his spirit would eventually becomes vengeful, strong enough to plague those surround him.

[@karaso1]

オルステッドが呪縛を断ち切るところで「届かぬ翼」パートになるの素晴らしい

[@ReppLoyd]

9:30 At that moment, Oersted breaks free from Odio. He literally breaks free from his hate.

[@BriahnAznable]

God damn I’ll never get over what a wonderful surprise this was… shout out to all the Japanese gamers that got to play the original when it came out and the rest of us emulator boys when we chugged down the translation patch in 2001! This ending was made for us ❤

[@paperluigi6132]

⁠@@BriahnAznableand people like me who got to experience this for the first time via the remake, aka the definitive way to play this game. You guys let us experience this.

[@Itsabouttimex2]

Odio Lines, according to google translate: 7:26 “……?” 7:57 “……!” 8:23 “You… guys…” 8:43 “Teeth?” 8:51 “I am Odio…” (name translated as ‘Audio’) 8:58 “I… I won’t die…” 9:04 “Hatred… doesn’t go away!” 9:22 “I…” 10:29 “I remember… I am… Oersted.”

[@Bramhallthefifth]

idk where you got 'teeth' from but that just says 'i am' (same as 9:22)

[@TheAdventGamer]

Pure Odio was already incredible, Sin Odio was god tier, and that finale. Magnificent.

[@JanusHoW]

When I first saw the announcement for this remake, I checked outside for flying pigs.

[@Cadiangrunt99]

You were not the only one.

[@thejman5683]

Now THIS is what I call a Finale. This might just be one of the greatest final boss fights of all time….. period

[@user-lc4qk3zf8m]

sinオディオこそが中世編で遂に姿を現す事が無かったオルステッド達が本当に戦うべき「オディオ」だったのではって説ほんと好き

[@kenf1217]

やはり、そうだったのか……。 オディオというのは誰もが持っている"憎しみ"、というわけか……、オルステッドが絶望して魔王としての依り代という感じで。

[@setya495]

ハッシュが言っていた『本物の魔王はこんなものではない！』ということから考察するとおそらくその見解は正しく、同時にこのsinオディオこそがあらゆる時代のオディオの根本であり、人間が存在する限り消えることのない、悪性の一つなのだろう。

[@johntumahab323]

What's interesting about this piece is that in this context it really shows how Shimomura has changed over the years. Like in "Pure Odio", I can catch glimpses of her final boss theme in Super Mario RPG to show she had a similar motif back in the 90s. By comparison, although it seems like this song was intended to be a more epic variation on "Megalomania", it comes off as a song that would be much more at home as a final boss theme in a Kingdom Hearts game.

[@dungdaoxuan2077]

You can say the everyone in the development team has changed as new well, especially the director Tokita. Live a Live back then has many similarity with Final Fantasy IV - his other game about how hatred ruins a person and there is little no redemtion if you go down that path. However, this battle showed that even the Lord of Dark has hope, that he can at least do one right thing after centuries of loathing and anger, which I find it really beautiful !

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

I'm reminded a lot of a strang hybrid of in the final and the xehanort fight from kh3

[@jeanbob1481]

I think it was Oersted who came out of his hatred and slew the Lord of Dark.@@dungdaoxuan2077

[@user-tm6zg1rq1u]

このサプライズ戦を入れてくれた時田さんに感謝しかない、本当に素晴らしい神ゲーをありがとうございます！

[@user-pm9nt9fc6o]

まさかの約30年越しに真エンディングを迎えるとは

[@BriahnAznable]

Makes me cry a little ❤

[@kurux]

broken wings motif hits so hard

[@XX-sp3tt]

Wings That Do Not Reach.

[@KittyKatt_Luna80s]

​@@XX-sp3ttBroken Wings was what the English release used. Same with Alicia being Alethea. However, the pronunciation was terrible. I knew a lady that sadly passed away a few years ago by that name. She pronounced it "Ah-lee-thee-ah", which is similar to Alicia - "Ah-lee-shee-ah". The pronunciation the dub team went for, "Alla-fay-ah" sounds awful in comparison.

[@megamike15]

i just like how this is a combination of all of odio's themes including Oersted's.

[@DJSKirby64]

I know I’m not the only one who’s jaw dropped when I first saw this boss. Seriously, I nearly fainted!

[@bunkflunk]

Why is that? (I’ve never played the original)

[@Lungoomba21]

​@@bunkflunk this final boss is newly created for the remake, the original ended after the boss rush

[@bunkflunk]

@@Lungoomba21 oh shit

[@gurvmlk]

Glad to hear the reveal was as awesome as I imagined. I didn't even know that Sin Odio was exclusive to the remaster until a couple weeks ago, and it left me wishing I had beaten the original back in the day so that I could've experienced the intended shock of that sudden boss battle. Alas, when I was a kid I was way too terrible at RPGs to get anywhere in one like this. The extent of my tactical abilities was "hit bad guys and heal." Which unfortunately didn't cut it in Live A Live because of how the battles work.

[@DylanYoshi]

@@gurvmlk I actually played the original game first and one of the things I knew about the remake going into it was that there was a new final boss. This immediately caused me to worry, because I was so used to Atlus rereleases adding new content that undermines the original story or ruins the pacing of an otherwise good ending- Persona 4 Golden being the worst of these imo. Even in the case of Persona 5 Royal, which had a generally decent new story, ended up feeling as though it conflicted with the pacing and themes of the original's amazing ending. So to say the least, I was beyond happy to find out that not only was this additional final boss great, but it felt entirely faithful to the original Live A Live's story. They didn't change where Oersted ended up at the end of the game, they just gave additional context to make his realization of where he went wrong feel more satisfying. They didn't add any additional plotline where killing this big demon monster absolves Oersted of his sins and allows him to live as though he did nothing wrong. They didn't add any additional villain that has nothing to do with Oersted or the theme of love and hatred that permeates the game. What they did was give us a conclusion that felt so close to the original game's ethos that it feels insane that it wasn't always there. I was honestly amazed by this new final boss and it made me love the game even more than I did when I played the original version.

[@kimetsu_kids]

もう本当にこれを望んでいたんだよって感じ。 届かぬ翼のところのメロディーエモすぎ。 まさしく我々が求めていたリメイクとは何たるかがこの戦闘には集約されてます。 本当に シン・ライブアライブ名乗ってくれ。

[@MurakumoMoon]

ほんとそれ。私もオルステッド自身に一切の救いがないのなら、各編（中世編含む）の主人公たちの戦いってなんだったんだろうってモヤモヤしながらオリジナル版のエンディングを呆然と眺めていたから、憎悪に自縄自縛状態だったオルステットが自分の手で決着をつけるという演出には心を揺さぶられました。 この結末は1990年代にはまだ早すぎたのかな。今ならすごくしっくりとくる。だからこういうリメイクができたのかも。時代が追いついた的な。 「自分でも何が正しいかなんて良くわからないけど、他責志向に囚われ続ければオディオの闇に沈む。自分や現実と向き合い続ければ報われる日が来る。だから人として生きることを諦めるな」という趣旨のレイのオルステッドに向けた言葉こそが、「LIVE A EVIL」というオディオからの警告に対する1つの答えなのかもね。

[@kimetsu_kids]

@@MurakumoMoon 素晴らしいコメントありがとう。 悪に貶められてしまった存在として懲罰されたっきりだったオリジナルのオルステッドが最後に勇者としての責務を果たせたのは本当に喜ばしいことだった。

[@user-nm3ng7kc1c]

最後オルスが自分の攻撃で魔王に引導渡すも 結局原作通り消えちゃうのが猶更悲しいんだよね。最後の一瞬は勇者そのものだったのに… 本質的な魔王は「仕方ない」で割り切らず、自己中心的な嫉妬に勝てなかった冷房ではないだろうか ホロライブの配信で知名度あがったと思うけど リメイクでポゴがオルスの気持ち汲み取ってるのがよく分かる演出になってるのが印象的 当時は「この原始人、どうやってオルスと話しつけるんだ」「仕方ない、愛でいい」 みたいな決定だったんじゃないかと思うが、リメイクでポゴの性格を考えた演出になった 「人間は蔓延りはしなかった」という台詞から察するに、ポゴは多くの人類の祖先ではないかと思う、 きっとこのあと愛情深い父親になり、多くの末裔にその心を残したのではないだろうか

[@eisendragoon14]

@@user-nm3ng7kc1c 魔王山に仕掛けがあるんじゃないかって説が出るくらい あそこのストレイボウは余りにも豹変していて… オマエこれまでずっとその感情と上手く向き合ってたはずなのに あそこまで醜く嫉妬に狂うものなのかって 最終章主人公にポゴ選んで 最後のオルステッドの問答で決壊したな そうか、言葉という概念を持たないお前ならそうするのか…って

[@mtukasa]

オディオというのはオルステッドが生み出したものではなく、魔王と呼ばれていたモノの正体で、 オルステッドやストレイボウにしたみたいに、憎しみに囚われた人間の体に乗り移り続けてきたんじゃないかな それが今回オルステッドは憎しみを振り切り、自分自身でケリをつけたから、今度こそ本当に魔王と呼ばれたモノを倒せたんじゃないかなと

[@wardokey]

30年の時を経て完成した神ゲー 鳥肌やばい

[@Justinwa0309]

THIS WENT SO HARD OH MY GOD

[@XX-sp3tt]

"LOOOOOOOOVE!" "Together, we're unstoppable!" "Nothing is impossible, when you're too stubborn to surrender!"

[@neo-warkid4edwards222]

Cube: beep boop (Translation: WARP SPEED!)

[@FubukiTheIcyKing]

Hate may be eternal, but love will always rise to challenge it.

[@21lolioniel95]

そういえばリメイク最初のPVでタイトル前に流れたイントロ 僅かに匂わせはしていたのか そしてライブアライブ要素と現代の下村ミュージックを盛りに盛ったまさにラスボスにふさわしい感じで鳥肌が立ちっぱなしになる

[@nakano_yuukippoi]

あの時点だと「お、メインテーマにイントロ付けたんだ！」って思ってしまいますよねｗ センスの良い隠し方だわ本当

[@berin13]

This OST made this final battle so epic. I just finished this game, and this theme won't get out of my mind.

[@user-15momo]

リメイクというより昔からずっと欠けていたピースが完成されたRPGになっていたなぁ…

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

I AM, I MUST, I WILL!!!!!!!

[@MasterKnightDH]

YOU CAN DO IT, OERSTED!

[@kimetsu_kids]

トドメを刺す手段にもこだわるのアリだと思ってて 強き心　強き力を持ち　勇ましき姿となりて　魔王を打ち砕かん この予言どおり初期技のVシャインで「V(Vice/悪)」を断つか死の螺旋を勇者ハッシュの技であるデストレイルで断ち切る　などなどいろいろ 9:53の演出が想像以上にかっこよすぎてジャンプショットもアリだなって思ってる

[@arunchaikitchayasana7363]

I was glad to see Oersted again in Octopath traveler and see his happy ending. But when I listen to the song "Megalomania" made me understand that The hate has never gone away in 30 years either. And ODIO is negative energy that is immortal, able to return in all times and all dimensions. He is one of the greatest bosses that Square Soft has produced.

[@ChaoticDarkness1]

This game and this battle made Oersted one of my favorite video game characters

[@kimetsu_kids]

GIGALOMANIAとこの演出に関してはすべてにおいて神だと思ってるのですが 改めて画面も見ながら曲を聞いてるとここの演出（5:42）、感涙ものでは

[@kimetsu_kids]

よりにもよってそこで松のセリフをアキラが言うの天才なのよ

[@user-ww6jd9lw7o]

多くのボスの名前についてた「オディオ」ってラテン語で『憎しみ』って意味らしいね

[@TheMightyMcClaw]

Oh dang, they completely redesigned the end boss. Also, this is the exact same final party I used in my first playthrough of Live a Live.

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Actually it's a new phase after the boss rush and the battle to save Oersted from his own hate and it is one hell of an epic finale.

[@vegalucas7782]

A proper Darklord that will follow through Octopath Traveler genre

[@user-bu4cp1lr4g]

5:07 ここでオルステッドと魔王の同化が強まった時に、オルステッドの哀しみが零れ火となって泣いてるように見えるんだよな。。。

[@gmt_bruce_wayne]

ストレイボウもアリシアもSINオディオの影響で狂ってしまったと補完してる。

[@user-in7ou1xf2m]

あるいはオルステッドではない、本当の中世編のオディオ。魔王山に残された謎の魔王像の正体。 憎悪とは他者が存在して初めて成立する。この魔王像は誰かを必要としていたのかもしれない。

[@user-nh9hg5jb5n]

今までダントツで最悪の「誰かを必要としていたのかもしれない」

[@MH-rz3qr]

だから人間を滅ぼした後魔王オディオはただのオルステッドに戻ったのか…

[@del4028]

My favorite 2022 track

[@ElementShoota]

it hits hard

[@Rafael-wr7wi]

Excelent ending

[@rhysthereddragon1326]

I am...I must... *...I will!*

[@keithtang4725]

Finally he remember who he was......After 28 years😢😢😢

[@paperluigi6132]

Finally beat this game today. 10/10, if you haven’t played it, GO NOW

[@80fire71]

中世編BGMが物悲しさを引き立たせる

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

Akira with Judgment Day crippled this boss into the ground with a dozen statuses, and thanks to him, Sundown Kid tore this boss to shreds with Hurricane! Why do people underestimate Akira?

[@Sephiroth08150]

He is not underestimated as mich as he is not well-liked. Nevermind the fact that it's always a competition between him and Cube, the fact he stole what little money his caretaker has didn't bode well with a lot of people, especially the ones who played the SNES ine because instead, Akira just steals his caretaker's panties, which, while still weird, actually won't cause her to worry about money in the future. And his chapter's crafting mechanic has been unchanged from the SNES one. I see his advantages, but Sundown Kid did deal 999 DMG with Masaru's help anyways. It's more so that everyone is able in some way that people pick by their preferences, and not a particular meta (aside from having a healer in the party to help or have a fuckton of balmgrass) that first-timers won't pick Akira.

[@521halk]

5:07　なんかオディオが泣いているように見えるが気のせい？もしそうだとしたら憎しみのほかに何か抱えていた感情があったとか・・・？

[@user-mz5vn1oq5u]

最終編でのオディオはオルステッドの憎しみを中核にしてますからね そしてオルステッドの憎しみの根源は、ストレイボウとアリシアの裏切り……「信じていたものからの裏切り」 裏返せば、「自分を信じてくれ、そして信じられる何か」を求めているわけで…… それなのに、７人の主人公達が苦境にも負けず協力し合ってる様子（自分が失った信頼関係）を、ある意味特等席で見せつけられてる状態

[@TreJowy]

Pure perfection.

[@user-yi1is6rc9r]

5:10　sinオディオの顔から白い何かが零れ落ち始める

[@cloudvii8756]

The only thing that would have made this boss even better than it already was (at least in my opinion), was to make it so that you can actually LOSE during the fight. Other than that little nitpick, I can see no better way to end the finale of Live A Live.

[@jeanbob1481]

in the original there was an armageddon ending. When you control Orsted and you beat all others characters you can use armageddon and it just destroys all timelines and the game end. It is a different ending from oersted just beating all characters

[@nikolaikolev8433]

​@@jeanbob1481 You can get Armagedon ending by simply dying from Pure Odio.

[@Arius_Astronomy]

Someone, someone HAS to find a way mashup or loop this song into the other HD2D songs Unworldy Entity, Those Who Deny the Dawn, and Destiny.

[@fukaze2021]

Wont work since it was made by two different composer

[@Arius_Astronomy]

@fukaze2021 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qISwfXiteKuJrrMsi=A49yM7ePY5wfvYqx I would rest my case, but I'm choosing violence today. NO. You do not need to have two separate songs to be composed by the same composer in order for a mash up to work. What you need to make it easier is for is for the two songs to share the same genre and style. E.I. the mash-up of Last Battle and Megalovania that I just posted above. Music is very mathematical in how it functions. So two songs of similar genre and style can be brought together. In fact, due to the mathematical nature of music composition, you can even bring together two songs from completely different genres together, then change their genre and style, like for example, "don't stand so close to me / young girl" from Glee.

[@deathscythe1138]

オルステッド。。。 彼はどうすれば救われるのかな？

[@proudlarry8225]

Is it just me or did they take out Odio's iconic line and replace it with a poem?

[@ZorotheGallade]

"He's not Finnish"

[@megamike15]

it was also yoko's esxcuse to add a kingdomhearts song.

[@MrKeyblademaster1992]

Such awesome music for such an underwhelming fight

[@uninspiredname2974]

Tbf the final boss is Pure Odio, this is more of a bonus round setting up the golden ending and oersted's atonement

[@RockEsper]

I think you're just supposed to give into the mood of it all. It's not a particularly challenging game in general

[@MrKeyblademaster1992]

@@RockEsperfair

[@rebornotherlan]

It’s a much better final boss then just a boss rush which is what the original had

[@31Moth13]

It wasn't as hard as Pure Odio but it was cool as hell, especially the part where the other heroes come in.

[@whyVevo]

he has the same party as me lol

[@user-nr5ul7vo2o]

巨神附體天下無敵

[@gsurfer04]

I just realised, you know what other ultimate boss has regenerating arms and a similar armoured look? Penance from Final Fantasy X. An apt name.

[@matiasgomez8651]

red savarin: just... what the HELL is this thing??!?! elh melizee: AAAHG, it hurts just to look at him... why? lei: he's the demon of hatred, what you see is not only him, but your sins and hate made flesh elh: but... he's suffering, as if dying by the hatred of man dedede: then time we have NOT... to save this man and for the world's sins to atone, we must defeat the original sin which united us.... amitie and raffina: the archon of hate eternal... sig and lidelle: a soul in eternal despair... bandee: the undying god of hate... condeemed archfiend of sin ¡SIN OF ODIO! Kirby: it doesn't matter how we started, be it magical girls, outlaws, robots or thieves, now we are united, a bond which defies time, space, and man's hate.... LET US UNITE STRENGTH TO SAVE ALL FROM SIN ITSELF!!!! everyone readies up for the finale, a clash with the progenitor of sin... ODIO!!! live A live x puyo puyo x solatorobo x KIRBY

[@gamerofgamers1417]

Sounds like the finale to Super Smash Bros Adventure mode.

[@user-ih4zb3ve5f]

もう少しやりごたえのある強さにして欲しかった

[@user-ix7cv2sy7v]

ごめん…一つだけどうしても不満点を言わせて欲しい　どうしてサンダウンがハリケンショット覚えていないの？　それだけが唯一モヤッとした点

[@MountainMemelord]

Seeing all the main characters fighting Sin Of Odio was awesome, especially after the Purity Of Odio fight was lackluster. Just spam Heavenly Peaks Descent and Big Jump Bash for that one.

[@gurvmlk]

Personally, I found both fights with Odio to be rather lackluster, at least in terms of difficulty. The plot made up for it though, but the battles themselves I felt were a tad too easy. But I imagine there are certain party compositions that could drastically affect the difficulty.

[@jeanbob1481]

the original game also had weird difficulty. Like the hardest fights where all in Masaru chapter lol@@gurvmlk

[@gurvmlk]

@@jeanbob1481 I believe I fiddled around a bit with the Masaru chapter in the original back in the day, but never beat a single fight (partly because I sucked at RPGs back then, and couldn't think tactically with such an elaborate battle system). It felt very trial-and-error to figure out their tactics and weaknesses, as well as which you could defeat first, and then learning which new moves would be most effective against which next opponent. Kind of like figuring out weaknesses in Mega Man. A lot of that guesswork though was taken out of the remake because of how much more information the game provides you, such as attack details, and enemy weaknesses. Although personally, I wish you could disable the display that shows enemy HP and weaknesses. That one feature made it a bit too easy to know exactly how to approach most fights throughout the game before you've even thrown the first punch.