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@zeroissleepy 3 ай бұрын

Commenting on an ancient stream (and I'm an hour in so maybe someone brings it up later) but I think it's notable that a lot of these analyses were written before the game had clearly differentiated categories within archetypes; the analysis of Dur Nar was 'literally just outlining the role of an arts defender' precisely because it was written before we had an arts defender category, so the fact that her DEF was much lower and she had high RES was notable and not immediately obvious if you were comparing her to Cuora or Gummy, since they were just all categorized as defenders. (We only got the official archetypes around 3 years ago, so we had a good 2ish years of the game without categories like Lord, Brawler, Instructor, Heavyshooter, Arts Defender, etc- they were all just lumped under 'guard' or 'sniper' or whatever) I definitely still agree with a lot of your criticism, just wanted to offer it up as an explanation as to why some of them may just appear to be stating basic information about an archetype (though if you were to argue they should have updated the analysis write-ups to reflect these changes, I wouldn't disagree with you).

@NikkiTheViolist 11 ай бұрын

tbh I use Gamepress for 2 reasons: (1) to check what their skills do with masteries and what their modules do (2) to see what upcoming events will happen

@BillyONeal 8 ай бұрын

The 1 defense of Gamepress I have here, in particular when saying the plusses and minuses are inconsistent with one another, is that they're usually written around the time an operator comes out on EN. Lava's notes look like a horrible mess because she's a day 1 operator. Pudding's notes are better (calling out her specific S2 as you noted) in substantial part because she was released many years later. (I'm not saying that tier lists, or this tier list in particular, are good. Only talking about this specific inconsistency point)

@BillyONeal 8 ай бұрын

Also, several of the ops where they list ups and downs that are just part of the archetype are written that way because when they were written, that was the *only* operator in that archetype. ED: This is also why Dur-nar. She's a launch unit and the next arts protector, Asbestos, didn't come out until 6 months later. ED: I don't think they were talking about Red Woman for Sideroca; they explicitly call out Enmity guards and Red Woman didn't come out until 4 months later. (Again, not saying that it makes the list good :) )

@BillyONeal 8 ай бұрын

2:46:00 I don't think you're making that up; I think Highmore's talent benefit in IS is listed as an upside while Ceylon's is listed as a downside, but IS is a permanent mode while Ceylon's only worked in Heart of Surging Flame

@ReinTenebres 9 ай бұрын

I started caring about Crushers because your recent Crusher video helped me clear DOS A3. I ended up taking Quartz to tank the Companion Guards. I never looked closely at Crushers before.

@NikkiTheViolist 11 ай бұрын

3:30 King is definitely S-tier in the chess meta because if he dies then you lose the game every other piece is optional, only he is mandatory

@NikkiTheViolist 11 ай бұрын

1:55:00 I have unironically used Conviction's S2 exactly once: it was stage on one of those week-long mini-events and had tons of those exploding spiders and divide-into-multiple spiders that all stopped on the left half of the map and stood there for a long time (the blue box was on the right), and deployment positions were extremely limited (no ranged tiles, very few melee tiles) on the left side but there was a couple spots for Conviction to be deployed, where her skill could hit a third of the enemies at once, and I had no better options to do it.

@BloopsArknights 11 ай бұрын

using conviction's S2 as a self-sacrificial nuke is amazing lmfao

@heseipikmin6415 10 ай бұрын

Biggest case of double standards and comparing apples to oranges I've ever seen. It's like some sort of sick joke, like going "little Timmy sucks at soccer because he's not LeBron James"

@NikkiTheViolist 11 ай бұрын

3:41:00 Heavyrain on S2 loses her Camo when she starts blocking but the nearby units keep her Camo so that mostly solves the problem you have with it; all you have to do is let her block and then she starts tanking all the ranged attacks

@ruslana4135 10 ай бұрын

It's really interesting that I had some friends started playing Arknights and one guy is actually being a returnee, I just showed myself doing my bearknights clear to my newbie friends while also recommending them to level up the more useful 4 stars aside from their most favourite character, but my returnee friend is insisting on them having to have braindead squad (just add only the strongest operators), somehow my returnee friend is already bored of the game even before he could reach Patriot boss, my newbie friends are starting to grasps the kits of the operators they frequently used and enjoys the game more and more. I never argued against efficiency, but I also recommend people to have fun and play with their favs instead of just going for the all meta as they might get bored of it very quickly, there are people who enjoys efficiency above all and so they're not getting bored easily

@kyubbikcat2281 10 ай бұрын

I do a shorty niche, so the only AOE operators I have are Eyja, Pinecone, Tomimi S2, and *Conviction S2.* Yes, I M3 Conviction S2 because I ended up using it a lot more than I thought for these reasons: -Conviction is DIRT CHEAP with a cost of 8DP every deployment. -I have module lvl3, so she has like a 30 second redeployment time. -350% crit that does Arts damage, basically 3,500 Arts damage every 12 seconds to EVERY ENEMY in a two tile radius, and silences them. Conviction S2 was MVP in that on EX CM In Lingering Echoes, where an army of exploding spiders rush a very short distance to a blue box at the same time. Yes it’s rng but when it works it works.

@thepurpleguy36 10 ай бұрын

I hope that whoever works on that tier list sees this. I really liked your point about comparing averages and outliers. So many players see that an operator is “bad” in comparison to another and don’t see what they can do in a vacuum and compared to the average operator with the same or similar purposes. They also don’t look back at older/worse/lower-rarity operators like they do newer/better/higher-rarity ones and their summaries for many operators are either written with a lack of understanding, outdated, or inconsistent in their reasoning. I don’t think I feel as strongly about it as you, but it got me thinking more.

@logan-ft5je Ай бұрын

The gamepress tier list sucks ass, but this guy also doesnt seem to understand what a tier list is to begin with. This was painful to watch

@AquaticIdealist 11 ай бұрын

Yeah. Gamepress is for account optimization. They discourage building units that are less effective in endgame because you aren't allowed to downgrade/remove levels from units. People who like experimentation, playing suboptimally in any way including nicheknights and just using operators for fun are not going to find Gamepress' advice as helpful. If Gamepress really got its way, 80% of all Operators would be deleted from the game lol, it would help thin out the summoning pool and allow only the best of the best to exist after all Also Indigo S1 would be better if it was Iris S1, since Iris' talent improves the damage of charged attacks while Indigo's talents don't really cooperate with her S1 compared to Iris

@BloopsArknights 11 ай бұрын

It feels quite empty that an infamous tier list just kinda stands for mindless metagaming and not much else. Obviously, I dont personally enjoy min-maxxing, I feel it a very lame way of playing Arknights, and I'm sure some people agree. I just feel we should be promoting a betterment of skill than a betterment of operator collection. Just feels like a waste of time to just regergitate "le meta".