Lived Through This: Kristen Pfaff's hidden archive and influence | Guy Mankowski | TEDxBrayfordPool

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We all leave archives of information behind us, whether its photos or diaries they offer us a rich a tapestry as to who we’ve been. In 2021 Guy Mankowski was given the unseen archive of Kristen Pfaff, member of the cult band Hole. Using her archive of personal effects to create a portrait Guy discovered that the person emerging was extremely different to their public persona. Now he shares the radical idea that by delving into our own archives and exploring our past selves we can reappraise who we truly are.
Dr Guy Mankowski was singer in the signed band Alba Nova. He is the author of novels including ‘Letters from Yelena’, which was researched in the world of Russian ballet. It won an Arts Council Literature Award, was adapted for the stage and used in GCSE training. He also writes about music, and penned ‘Albion’s Secret History: Snapshots of England’s Pop Rebels and Outsiders.’ He is a lecturer in Creative Writing at Lincoln University. During lockdown, he found himself in the unusual position of being given the archive of a famous pop star, an archive that even her family hadn't opened... This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

[@viviennemankowski17]

very proud of our son's Ted Talk, Mum and Dad .

[@lawdawg6730]

I am also proud of him and your ability to be great parents and influence your son to follow his talents and passions in life. Congratulations for being wonderful folks who raised children properly. Much love From Providence RI USA

[@viviennemankowski17]

Thank you very much for your kind comments of my son Guy Vivienne Mankowski

[@silaslangsyd]

As you should be , very interesting typic indeed .

[@lethrbear32]

This is the sweetest comment on KZbin. 🥰

[@boneman6059]

Do you have a relative called Leopold who was in the army? I know, strange question, but there is purpose behind it, I think I have a photo of him but I'm unsure.

[@SHEvans]

I knew Kristen from 4-14 years old. We were childhood friends. This is for those who want to know something about her. I was 5 when I met her, awkward, with few friends (none really). Kristen and her mom moved upstairs from us in an apartment in Amherst NY. She was a ray of sunshine (no exaggeration). We were instant friends. She loved people and her love for music started early. She played the piano (when she was a few years older). We had many sleep overs and I remember listening to Barry Manilow records with her. She was smart, and popular all through school.... had many friends. When we were 14 and 15... we had a sleep over planned on New Years Eve and made plans to see our boyfriends (we weren't supposed to)... ordered a giant pizza (not supposed to do that either...) lol... got busted by our parents later and got in trouble for that one. At that age her musical taste changed.. she got into lover boy, reo speedwagon, kansas, and eventually fell in love with the Doors. I remember she thought Jim Morrison was "beautiful". For me, I sensed a darkness over Jim... but she didn't see it. It is haunting now that he died at 27 years old of a drug overdose, in a bathtub (supposedly) of all places... The last time I saw her was in the mall in Amherst. She was off from college on break (about 21 years old then, and in her punk phase, I can confirm that). I never saw her again after that... had no idea what happened to her. The strange thing is, about a month before her death - I decided to pay her mom a visit. It was then that I found out about her fame... etc... all of that. Her mom showed me a magazine with Kris on the cover with Hole. At the time I was 28 years old and of course thought "how cool". But the truth is, she had NO light in her eyes, no joy. Not even a shadow left of the girl I knew.... Kristen befriended me when almost nobody else would... and she was so much FUN!!! When she came over, it was always a party, WITHOUT drugs!!

[@guymankowski1384]

Very interesting. Mind if I share these insights in the book? If so what name could I attribute them to? With my thanks, Guy

[@maybell7430]

thank you for sharing this 💞 this is very interesting, and I agree with you on the fact that Kristen didn’t seem very happy when she was in Hole. She just looked depressed, and in a couple pictures, she looked so done. According to some people, she didn’t get along with Courtney very well and Courtney was potentially verbally abusive towards her.

[@guymankowski3358]

@@maybell7430 It's fair to say she did not enjoy being in Hole, the diaries are very illuminating..

[@kai-leeklymchuk744]

Your first chapter is written so beautifully, Guy. Kudos. Am looking forward to the rest. From another psychologist-singer. 😉🤗@@guymankowski3358

[@adamfindlay7091]

She Evans, the thing about the internet is we can get access to all or almost everyone and everything regarding artists, etc. Youre lucky All our friends we are lucky to have loved and met imo. Not always perfect, not necessarily forever. Happy to hear your experience was so bliss ful.

[@ciaraskeleton]

I'm reading Perfume at the moment, Kurt gave it to Kristen before he died and then tragically she followed suit. She was very talented, smart, beautiful and i think she made a lot of people jealous because she was genuine without even trying. idk. I have a big appreciation for Ms Pfaff.

[@guymankowski3358]

Perfume is an incredible novel and the insight it shows into Cobain's perspective on the human condition I think is fascinating as he always had such an empathic side. I think you are right with what you say about Pfaff. One of the many aspects of her that have been overlooked in the popular narrative about her is her incredible ability to enter any situation- as an artist, an activist- and make it a success. The book explores that quite a bit.

[@Deadite1982]

@@guymankowski3358 I can't read to read you're book. About 10 years ago I came across Kristen. You're right it does become Kristen after a while lol. I read everything online I could, doing a deep dive. I was amazed at her story and how everyone described her as a beautiful soul. Can't wait to read the book.:)

[@izzydeadyet7336]

I think she made the wrong person jealous! *cough* courtney ~

[@ciaraskeleton]

@izzydeadyet definitely *allegedly, please don't sue me courtney* lol I notice that most people courtney is jealous of or mad at end up in similar ways, what a weird and strange coincidence 🤔

[@GorgeouslyStupidThing]

@@izzydeadyet7336 I think Eric was to be feared. He was the last to visit her, gave her H. Jealousy seems to reside with him, her ex. He admits in an interview, when asked about KP, that people are dead because of his actions. H*ll hath no fury like a man scorned.

[@poppysanders8825]

I lost a sibling to drugs in a similar way to how Kristen Pfaff died. The idea we can unbox who someone really was from what they left behind floored me. Just added this to my list of books to read. Stunning talk.

[@4stringz.]

I cant describe the happiness that this book will finally be published. I’ve heard about this project from Guy, Sara and Jason for some time and can’t wait to read it.

[@raimywinter2309]

I meet her at concert in normon ok,with janitor joe. A gorgeous and nice women. Rest in paradise a wonderful bass player.

[@DGD4Landy]

Is that venue still open? I live In okc

[@mollieephobia]

kristen pfaff has never failed to give me inspiration. you don’t hear people talk about her often, except whenever they say “oh yeah she’s that dead hole bassist” but i see much more than that. i see someone with a genuine musical talent, a genuine personality, a staple in the grunge movement that you won’t ever hear about, and just a great person that just got taken too soon. she should get more recognition.

[@guymankowski3358]

good point and your observations are perceptive, I think. I was surprised going into the archive just how rich her life is and how many successful phases it had, from activism to Janitor Joe and Hole. Like you I'm keen to reframe her life beyond her death and focus on all she achieved with it

[@mollieephobia]

@@guymankowski3358 thank you very much!

[@killian001]

Absolutely riveting- thank you so much for enlightening more about Kristen’s world and also the secrets to us, I found this empowering by allowing me to realise the actual path I am on.

[@guymankowski3358]

thank you for these kind words

[@katybaggott9362]

Such a treat watching this - has led me to consider my own ephemera and what do I really ‘need’ to keep hold of.

[@mattellerby2982]

Thought provoking and intriguing look into ourselves and how we can't always see what's going on from the inside.

[@laalpaprika]

This is very special. And as many I think of the time we get in this earth and the ephemera! And how much i need to be understood!! 🖤🌹

[@guymankowski3358]

your support is deeply appreciated.

[@viviennemankowski17]

A really brilliant insight which causes us to look at our own lives and where we are .

[@rachelb5455]

Really fascinating talk about what the ephemera of our lives says about us now. Inspiring!

[@truetransveganrebel9]

I look forward to reading your book

[@guymankowski3358]

your support and kind words are much appreciated and very much help get the book out there

[@sophiealicelavender]

This talk was incredible, literally changed the way I view things. Also been looking around my room to see what the things I have say about me 😅 Well done Guy 🎉 you smashed this 🥳

[@guymankowski3358]

thanks sophie you took great photos

[@joshuawilson112]

i absolutely love kristen and i wish i knew more about her and could meet he shes amazing from what I know

[@guymankowski3358]

there will be lots more new information in the book. Your kind comment and support is much appreciated.

[@ianhoskins4294]

I'd never really thought about what I've left behind and what it could tell me about myself. Fascinating is the only word that springs to mind. Can't wait for the book too.

[@hangingon]

Her death should have been investigared. I dont buy that she OD'd. Her car was fully packed and ready to go. Old Courtney Love has alot of blood on her hands.

[@jdm3137]

I like how the presenter used one stage to set another, as great authors do.

[@lisarockwell8008]

I would love to read books about Kristen one of my bass players inspiration I picked up the bass in 98

[@lawdawg6730]

89 for me when I first heard PIXIES and someone on the school bus with an older sister told me the bass player was a woman... 💗🎼🎸🎭 Changed my LIFE! ❤️💚💛🧿👑🌻🖤 Laugh and cry; now and later. -Lauren LawDawg

[@guymankowski3358]

@@lawdawg6730 more on this in the book but Kim Deal was one of the reasons Kristen picked up the bass and she learned Doolittle from front to back to become the bassist she is. So your comment is very astute.

[@lawdawg6730]

@@guymankowski3358 thanks for the great comment! I auditioned for my 1st band when I was 13 by playing surfer rosa front to back....! That's awesome... I'll definitely read the book!

[@PeteSleigh]

Best I can say is I rode the bus with Kristen in middle school, and had a crush on her cuz she was certainly gorgeous. I met her mom years later when I was working in Orchard Park NY at a multimedia company, what a wonderful woman.

[@guymankowski3358]

grateful and interested to hear your insightful words Pete, many thanks

[@rickyhornbach6650]

I miss Kristen and she was full of talent and she will be missed, RIP Kristen.

[@guymankowski3358]

Lovely words Ricky

[@xtinamarie_333]

Pretty cool analogy here, especially using Kristen Pfaff as an example. I loved her. Kurt loved her, and Courtney hated her for that. She was so authentic, and genuine and so talented, three things Courtney could never be. I'd kill to know what she said and how she said it about Courtney! I'd love to hear the beautiful words she wrote about Kurt. Thank you for this!

[@guymankowski3358]

Thank you for your interest, I am grateful for your kind words. I do think you'll find what is in the book from Kristen's diary tapes very interesting.

[@xtinamarie_333]

@@guymankowski3358 I'll look for it ❣️

[@chestrockwell6807]

Kurt and Kristen were never an item that is pure fan fiction.

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@kschappert1]

​@chestrockwell6807 No they weren't an item but were close friends. And Courtney hated it and threatened her. Absolute truth.

[@sergiosaviola7940]

Such a tragedy! I am sure I am not the only one that miss Kristen P. I have her picture as wallpaper on my iPhone cause over the years, she still alive in my heart 💜 RIP🎸🎵

[@guymankowski3358]

I'm glad to hear she is still so important to so many people.

[@czarinacourtneyal-marmont4699]

So true! Thank you! Brilliant! Thought-provoking.

[@guymankowski3358]

That's so kind of you, Czarina (great name- name of a Smashing Pumpkins song I believe!) Thank you

[@scottcharney1091]

I have said it many times, and I will say it again- I want to listen to Live Through This, watch the Miss World video, and hear/watch everything else that Kristen did with Hole, but I don't want to see/hear those two people, if you know what I mean.

[@bruiseviolet777]

Do you mean Courtney and Kurt? Or Courtney and Eric?

[@scottcharney1091]

@@bruiseviolet777 The latter.

[@marianacabral7006]

Hole is all of them. F*** you Scott.

[@bruiseviolet777]

@@marianacabral7006 It's not about the input, he's talking about them like that because they had a part in Kristen's inevitable death.

[@bradpity]

i revisit this every now and then - i can’t wait for your book on kristen! ❤

[@guymankowski3358]

Thanks Brad. Even now I'm still getting new revelations on this book and my agent is now pushing this afresh to US publishers. I'm in a cafe in the UK where I've just updated it with even more new information! There is also a lot of film company interest in depicting her

[@bradpity]

@@guymankowski3358 so exciting to hear!! ❤️ i have a feeling she would love what you’re doing for her legacy

[@guymankowski3358]

@@bradpity hope you're right but thank you Brad!

[@vj9055]

There has to be a movie made of kristen!!

[@guymankowski3358]

I agree. Jason Pfaff has accumulated hours of interview footage with people who knew her best and I draw from it in the book. A film- possibly entitled X-ten- will happen. We've had interest from showrunners about adapting the book as a film which we're keen to do.

[@AvecPoesie]

This was an incredible Ted talk. You speak with such sincerity and your words are quite movingly resonant. I first discovered Kristen Pfaff as a teen girl discovering my musical tastes and feeling immediately struck by Kristen's photo in the CD 💿 booklet for Live Through This. I've felt an immense curiosity about her ever since. I actually purchased and read Janet Pfaff's book but found it to be more about her own journey through grief as a Mother...a beautiful read. I am craving more insights and information about Kristen. As an avid diarist myself, I've often pondered what I will leave behind. I personally have more than 50 handwritten ✍ volumes...so, I am particularly intrigued by anything to do with what Kristen wrote and recorded. I wish you great success with your book 📖

[@HollyCooper-zx5rw]

I am glad this book is being written and that there will be so much of her in there, in her own words. There is much to write about forgotten' women of grunge. I'd love you to do something on Mia Zapata next as I went down that rabbit hole recently and I believe her story deserves to be told.

[@guymankowski3358]

I will look into Mia Zapata. Thank you for raising this. I am not sure why I first looked into Kristen Pfaff tbh, But I was not prepared for what would be on her tapes and in her archive, the richness and influence of her experience of an activist or just how much she meant to people beyond those she personally knew.

[@guymankowski3358]

I've looked into Zapata and found the story haunting. I am tempted to write a book about her next but I see there is one coming out again soon. She was a radiant talent and it is tragic what happened. I want people to know more about Mia Zapata.

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@HollyCooper-zx5rw]

Thanks Guy! I've been wondering about your progress on this project. I will have a read!

[@CommercialForest]

The hard copy of Kristin‘s diary had the pages ripped out during the time when Kurt died. Was/is there an audio version?

[@guymankowski3358]

the diary recordings I talk of are separate to the diary you reference. Janet Pfaff has copies of the latter I've not seen but she has spoken of her considering sharing them in future

[@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149]

Yeah nah and no one has ever seen the original without pages ripped out I don’t think

[@susan7930]

Probably somebody removing all traces of evidence of the week Kurt was supposedly missing and suicidal, according to his wife only. It's known that her passing was also staged.

[@goldsteinist]

There is no pattern of her ripping out pages of her diary only for that week when Kurt found dead. If that is not screamingly obvious than nothing it is.

[@CommercialForest]

@@goldsteinist I’ve heard that claim before - I’m guessing it was on AmericanSpyFox. not sure why he would say that without any kind of evidence, but who knows?

[@stitches513]

I enjoyed watching this-as a longtime fan of Kristen-29 years! I find myself looking back at what my teens were like in the 90’s compared to what it’s like for teens today-& it really isn’t much different as far as feelings go…Yes experiences are different for everyone but life is a journey & from a sociology perspective its very interesting to look into other’s experiences as well…It helps me find other people that are similar to me in how they relate to others & the world at large…I’m really interested in Guy’s work now…after seeing this quick video-I’m going to research him…

[@guymankowski3358]

Thanks for you insightful message Joann. You might enjoy my novel "Dead Rock Stars" on this subject. You make a good point that the process of our personal evolution doesn't fundamentally change, even if the times do...

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@ceilidhferguson1890]

I luv this!! Kristen was ENORMOUS in her talent and her thirst to make changes is so inspiring!!. I appreciate and admire her passion!. Oh to have the privilege to listen to her recordings!! I would love to know if the missing pages from her dairy are voice recorded!. Love your talk was really interesting can't wait to read your book!!

[@guymankowski3358]

Hi thanks for your kind comment am grateful for your interest. The missing pages are from the paper diary that were in her mothers possession and covered the time Cobain was missing. The diary recordings cover various but different times it seems, including when she was in Hole, recording Live Through This, and in the process of getting clean.

[@ceilidhferguson1890]

@@guymankowski3358 Hi thanks so much for your reply. It must of been so fascinating listening to Kristen talk about her inner most thoughts. And quite bizarre to hear them first hand from a time capsule, about a world we only imagine we understand as fans. I found the comment you made about the contents and how some of which would make headlines intriguing. I also love that your passion for music and musicians has brought you to your ability to write so your audience can absorb with the written word. I know as a creative, that thoughts are much easier to express with words or pictures.

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@67kurtcobainfan27]

Justice for Kristen. Justice for Kurt. RIP Pfaff. RIP Cobain. Nirvana fans unite as one. Nirvana fans unite as one.

[@chestrockwell6807]

your hero was a depressed addict who took his own life and bailed on his family whether loony Kurt truthers want to accept that or not

[@bourque801]

This is a very interesting talk....I hope his book has much success, I think what happened to Kristen Pfaff is a tragedy, not only for what she could have done musically of course, but what she could have done for the rest of her life....anyway I will keep a look out for this book when it is published.

[@guymankowski3358]

great to hear- your support and kind words are deeply appreciated and all help get the book out there to the incredible Kristen Pfaff fans all around the world.

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@stevens71000]

Thanks I love hearing these stories especially about Kristen some great information that I had never heard more. Sent you a DM

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@Valentin2981]

Wow! Thanks for this. As a teen, I was drawn to Kristen Pfaff.

[@adamfindlay7091]

This is kind of awesome 😻

[@johnharkins4440]

I’m eager for the book to come out. I’d love to learn more about her time in Janitor Joe and the Minneapolis scene.

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@noahh9472]

I hope to read this book the only info I had was Wikipedia I'm thankful that the estate opened up to have this book written I'm interested In her life art and music and the person behind the image

[@guymankowski3358]

Good point Noah and thanks- yes I think it has taken particular courage particularly on the part of Jason Pfaff to share what he's shared with me

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@martinohawkes4710]

Anyone know the date the book is out? Want to preorder.

[@guymankowski3358]

Don't have a date on it just yet but some news on this soon seems likely. One reason the book has kept being delayed is more information being given to me which has needed to be added to it. It means it's becoming a big book but a far far more interesting book (I hope) than it would have otherwise been. I'll share news far and wide as soon as I get it- including on here. Grateful for your interest, Martino

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@theheroproject45]

Eric Erlandson is to blame…

[@lawdawg6730]

One of many..

[@mickjaegermeister]

Y’all always gotta blame somebody else

[@lnxred7176]

Vou assistir depois, já que agora é 1:46 da manhã aqui em São Luís - Maranhão - Brasil.

[@TVLuke15]

How do you have access to her archive but I don't? My dad won't talk to me. but you said yourself you have access to tapes where she talks about these people, why has it been held back from our family, anyways?

[@AvecPoesie]

I'm so sorry.😞 Do you believe any discussion of your Aunt is too excruciatingly painful for your family to discuss or do you suspect information is being purposely held from you?

[@TVLuke15]

@@AvecPoesie A little bit of both.

[@TVLuke15]

Also is it just me or was something omitted/changed from the beginning of Mankowski's speech since I made my original comment? I highly doubt my father is the only person who has access to the files granted that the US government and the powers that be have files on everyone and everything.

[@brandonleja8333]

Hello Lucas. I am a big fan of Kristen and have always admired her. I always find out new information every year or so when I Google her name. I have Janitor Joe on vinyl and recently have heard her speak on an old radio clip. PLEASE pardon me for asking but if Kristen was your aunt...um did you know her. Or did she pass before you were born. I don't mean to sneak or creep into this message but I'm just curious if your father is Norman? Anyways, I hope your are doing OK. Thanks...Brandon.

[@TVLuke15]

@@brandonleja8333 I was born in 1997, 3 years too late I say.. Norman is my grandfather

[@MarceloDurham]

THIS TAPEs NEED TO BE SAVED!!! Digitalized and save!!!

[@guymankowski3358]

Don't worry they are not only being carefully looked after but fully utilised too...

[@MarceloDurham]

@@guymankowski3358 I hope the pages that were ripped of her diary are not missing in this tapes. I don't need to know but I hope someone knows.

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@MarceloDurham]

@@guymankowski3358 will do!!! Thanks!!!

[@czarinacourtneyal-marmont4699]

The Isle of Wight rocks!

[@guymankowski3358]

could not agree more Czarina! I have a novel "dead rock stars" set there if you're interested

[@INDKFGC]

Some people, they have "the shine". They just have it. They have it without trying. They just be...

[@anapham4724]

We people Will live to Wonder What could that life She'll Have if she didn't end up to be A rockstar Or in A Hole😢 she could be still alive And successful another loss soul

[@guymankowski3358]

I agree it is fascinating to think of all the paths someone of such talent could have taken

[@tmp1k]

I’d be interested to know more about the full extent of Kristen’s contributions to the live through this album. If she did bring in some lyrics, like as you say for miss world for example, she never gets credited for any writing; but that’s just the way it goes.

[@guymankowski3358]

You raise a good point. The producers of the record say she was the first they'd worked with who did it all one take. She worked out very innovative bass parts and as well as riffs she brought lyrics in. The book goes into this in huge detail as the first tape of her diary recordings cover this time. A Pfaff fan sent me what she says is demos on KZbin with Pfaff singing on Doll Parts instead of Dana Kletter, who was brought into replace her parts. I personally think Pfaff's singing was excellent and it's a shame those parts were cut.

[@tmp1k]

@@guymankowski3358 👌🏼very cool. Looking forward to a good read. Cheers

[@Altruismusic]

American Spy Fox and his research on Kristen Pfaff and her unusual demise should _Not_ be ignored

[@noahh9472]

How many pages will the book be will it be a volume 1 and 2 ?

[@guymankowski3358]

Thank you for your interest. At the moment it's 74,000 words and one volume. But the more word gets out about the book the more people who knew Kristen came to me with what they want to share so it keeps getting longer. Given that, unless that stops happening, I can well seeing further volumes and editions further down the line

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@Steger13]

The person that killed kurt killed her too.

[@jesse-ll3dh]

What year and month did she get married?

[@guymankowski3358]

Probably around 1986 whilst still enrolled at Boston College. We don't know exactly.

[@johnharkins4440]

What is the status of his book? Has it been released yet?

[@guymankowski3358]

3AM Magazine have just published the first chapter of this book, entitled 'Kristen Hovers At The Edge, if you want to check it out. Hope you find it interesting.

[@guymankowski3358]

@@Erebus1111 grateful for your kind words, Amy

[@breezywriter6572]

“Accidental overdose” is the strangest way to say “murdered” that I’ve ever heard.

[@chestrockwell6807]

it was an accidental overdose she was not murdered.

[@breezywriter6572]

@@chestrockwell6807 She was murdered.

[@frodiesel0]

@@chestrockwell6807ruled by a medical examiner who was a longtime friend of Courtney’s-its possible that there was foul play that was never investigated. To rule a death inaccurately is it a crime, malevolence, or a mistake? But not longtime friends of CL know for sure.

[@chestrockwell6807]

@@frodiesel0 he wasn't a long time friend they had met once. so youre actually suggesting the coroner is involved in some sort of nefarious plot with Courtney Love? what's your evidence for this wild accusation?

[@Tyrannosaurine]

⁠@@chestrockwell6807you are in multiple videos about Kristen/Kurt voraciously defending Courtney at every opportunity…I just have to know what is it about Courtney Love that makes you so sure of her being trustworthy?

[@lnxred3661]

O que a droga não faz. 🇧🇷

[@tinabolesful5184]

who was her husand?

[@AmericanSpyFox]

This talk was almost not even about Kristen. It was more about the speaker's life. Was hoping to learn something new.

[@marytruitt6303]

I follow you and knew you would be in the comments! Keep up the great work

[@Orgasmatron76]

Isn’t it interesting - he’s had access to those tapes, opinions & thoughts from the horses mouth. I wonder if there is anything revealing to the players in the Cobain story; Love, Earlandson, Schemel, Cobain, Novoselic, Grohl + others. What were her true opinions & thoughts on those guys and did she help out more than credited in writing the songs.

[@alastair77]

@@Orgasmatron76 - am quite sure she WAS more important in songwriting than Courtney wants us to know. she was such a beautiful, clever, musical woman, and i have major issues even believing Ms. Love plays guitar at all. she is a true trainwreck with a needle most of the time. well said, Guy.. xxx

[@ceilidhferguson1890]

I would say he's in a delicate situation here! He's been privileged enough to be trusted with Kristen's inner most personal thoughts and its not his motive to disclose what we want to hear. It's a story about her from his perspective and how it relates to us all. We know that he has knowledge that could shake things up but it will come at a cost to him to reveal anything. We want the truth about Kurt and Kristen's passings and getting it will have to come from somewhere else I suspect!

[@guymankowski3358]

@@Orgasmatron76 thanks for your insightful comment. There is quite a lot on the tapes about Hole and their members and Cobain is in there too. Novoselic, Grohl- no. I'd have liked more of that. But she had a lot to say on a lot of things!

[@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149]

Courtney did it

[@aWomanFreed]

Courtney is see eye aye

[@backforblood3421]

This reminds me of the title of a Keith Whitley song.

[@bloomtv3-thealtchannel368]

full respect for complete work like this, the talk. But about 10 years ago us around here would have felt like 9 points out of ten about it, now in 2022 we just agreed the 2nd half about himself does not make full sense to us. His closing words kind of tell a sense he is making, we agree with that. But the first half about the artist Kristen Pfaff has - to us - nothing to do with his story. That's 2 opposing points we tell here now. The - to us - weird flavour in his talk is: why is he telling this. Unsatisfied with his own life? Or really because he means there is a red-line showing a major mission that everybody is on - knowingly or unknowingly. Fair. Fine. We think he is unsatisfied with his own life.

[@bloomtv3-thealtchannel368]

or he is not very happy about the limitation by the legal context affecting his to-be-published book. He seems to mention this here in his talk. The legal context that does take effect on his work and the talk - any of his talk about it - forbids him to tell particular parts Kristen Pfaff journaled.

[@lawdawg6730]

He wants to tell stories. I do too. True stories which some people would never believe could all happen to one person in such a short time.

[@Tyrannosaurine]

I am more interested in what psychological issues drove you to have to criticize someone you never met, who from the comments obviously has touched a nerve with many people and shone a light on an often overlooked talent with grace and humility.

[@martinjames8661]

this guy really held my attention for 30 seconds, still, cured my insomnia

[@mikewren7532]

Unfortunately I don’t think this guy is the guy that’s gonna write the Kristen Pfaff book that REALLY needs to be written.

[@catmejia6109]

Meaning he doesn’t play into the hands of conspiracy theorists? Bye …..😂

[@CCLilja]

This guy, Guy, is more on to selling himself than talking about Kristen.

[@brianpinion5844]

if i was guessing i would have to say Courtney love was born Courtney Clinton, just saying ..like them or not you dont mess with Clintons

[@Amalia-no7xt]

Kurt and Kristen had the same coroner. Just saying....

[@wantutosigh1117]

​@@Amalia-no7xt And that coroner was friends with Courtney Love.

[@Amalia-no7xt]

@@wantutosigh1117 Exactly.

[@chestrockwell6807]

@@Amalia-no7xt yea and so what? so the coroner is in on the big sinister plot too?

[@frodiesel0]

⁠@@chestrockwell6807could he have been paid off? So what? Why did he rule a classic case of suicide, can you explain what a classic case is? All suicides are treated as homicides at first, unless you’re hawthorne.

[@bookreaderson]

She was so close to getting away on Kurt’s second plain tickets he bought before he was suicided

[@lawdawg6730]

No way! That ticket was for the baby.

[@Wez666]

what a nutty conspiracy. Get a stronger tinfoil hat

[@kimlarso]

Given his popularity it was Common behavior to buy the seat next to him

[@bookreaderson]

@@kimlarso good point

[@AvecPoesie]

@@lawdawg6730 Babies under the age of two did not require plane tickets. They are considered lap infants 🚼 Frances was just over a year and a half old.

[@martinohawkes4710]

Come onnnnnnn the most important thing he can say about Kristen is that she was a activist? Really??? Millions, mayb even billions of people protest for change every year. Surely there’s something more interesting to b said about K and her life?

[@martinohawkes4710]

I think youre giving him way too much credit. But will hold my breath for the book and hope to be proven wrong!!!

[@JRWahrhaftig]

To anyone seeking information of the wonderful Kristen Pfaff: you won;t learn anything. Want to waste 13 minutes hearing platitudes & anecdotes about this bloke, then go for it, otherwise, don't waste your time on this.

[@bubbastinker8190]

What a waste of time I thought he was gonna say something really important

[@frodiesel0]

Not new

[@allisonhancockpresley6247]

I found it very moving. It was very respectful, and I suspect that Kristen's family is involved in the project. Armchair detectives usually don't treat things so respectfully and often don't seem to treat the subject with much respect for the family. I appreciated that we aren't just talking about Kristen's suspicious death, but about her as an extraordinary human. The family picked the right person to trust with something so precious.

[@bubbastinker8190]

@@allisonhancockpresley6247 girl, you obviously weren’t paying attention to what he was saying. He was just barbering about the artist and nothing really relevant or new or anything that the family would’ve approved.