Livescope and 360 Imaging | Are They Worth It? $$$

In this video, I follow up on some comments from a recent video about how Jacob Wheeler found his fish on Lake Eufaula during the Major League Fishing Event. In the comments, a lot of people believed forward facing sonar (livescope and mega 360 imaging) was the key factor in Jacob’s victory. However, in this video, I explain how I believe Jacob found his bass using side imaging and down imaging from his Lowrance and Humminbird units and I also discuss how to best use forward facing sonar in combination with tradition sonar views. Hope you enjoy!
-Jonny
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[@DubH46]

You're a stud, and you prove it over and over. I'm my opinion, your opinion is 90% fact, 5% being nice, and 5% being humble.

[@stevevoelker2733]

I know boosting the humble percentage would jack up your math but Jonny is probably the most humble youtube instructor I've seen.

[@papaduck2443]

Jonny, all those people that said you are stupid and that you dont know what you are talking about because you are not an actual pro are only saying that to justify in their mind the $3000 they spent on the newest high tech gizmo to go fishing. Your content is excellent and incredibly helpful and anyone who has been watching your channel knows that you are the real deal. Great video, keep them coming! Thank you for the time and effort that you put into you vids!

[@68conorarmstrong]

Dude spits the truth.

[@foggybottombbq2738]

Keep up the good work Johnny. Don’t let the negative folks bring you down. Welcome to the worst park of social media. Your content is detailed and thorough. Enjoy about all you put out to share

[@chrismaraman7640]

I'm a 54 yr old weekend angler who is learning all this new electronics.The way you break everything down you make it seem easy to teach an "OLE DOG" new tricks.

[@timkelly633]

Don't feel you have to apologise for yourself. Great content as always, try to ignore the negative stuff and keep producing the great information.

[@bassmel5797]

Jonny you may not be on the tour but you are definitely a pro on the subject. I love you methodical breakdown and you teaching style. I can wait to put your teaching to practice when the ice clears here in Michigan. Thanks

[@treyferguson7943]

I think he should go pro.i know he would do well. No doubt

[@1torawi1]

I’m still amazed at the amount of work and detail that you put into your videos. I have literally enjoyed every one of them.

[@stevevoelker2733]

Jonny, what I like most about you and your presentation is the data. You are data driven in search of causation moreso than correlation. Most people don't know the difference and the dock talk is driven by correlation AT BEST. There are sooooo many variables in fishing it is challenging to cull the variables to the point of establishing confident causation. Your attention to detail with images, graphs, graphics etc is second to none. Your approach is the best way to support the knowledge you have of fishing. You're a smart humble man. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@jasminesdad0401]

I feel like I'm in class! Dude, you're an excellent teacher. Keep up the great work.

[@charlesfitzgerald3201]

Haters and jealous people are everywhere ,, you don’t have to explain yourself ,, your one of the most sincere guys on here ,, so just do your thing chicken wing ,, we still watching and learning , I give you lots of credit for new learning . Keep it up and don’t pay attention to that , no need to talk about it IMO .

[@ko4nrbs]

Your opinion is spot on!! Even Side Imaging won't put fish in the boat if you don't have the skill and experience to know what you are looking at. Finding the fish is one thing while knowing how to fish them is quite another. I know several fisherman that have laid out a lot of cash for the latest technologies, the new hot baits, etc. that are very disappointed in how many fish they catch. The thing they don't consider is their own lack of skill. Bill

[@CaptainBax]

The best way to become a better fishmen is to put in the hours out on the water and if you're using technology then learn how to use it. This young fellow knows more about this technology than I do and I've been fishing for near 40yrs. It's nice to be validated that you know what you're talking about sometimes and I think you proved your point... keep up the good work John... A Ding.

[@vinosfinostapasandwinebar5109]

I agree. With that being said, what I love about my 360 unit is the ability to hone in on the way point. GPS is only accurate to within 25 feet. With the 360, I can see exactly what I identified on the graph waypoint and find it's exact location. Actually seeing the fish is a bonus.

[@fishncoach8699]

GPS accurate to 25 feet? Idk about that

[@vinosfinostapasandwinebar5109]

@@fishncoach8699 It can be anywhere between 3 and 25 feet depending on weather conditions, satellite positioning and cloud cover.

[@daves.5301]

People think that way because they hear the same pros selling these products in their you tube videos. Wheeler had a nice video on why he was running all three brands this year. Everyone wants to be like a pro so they buy everything the pros "sell" in their videos. That's why I appreciate your videos so much. I can actually learn something from your knowledge sharing to make myself better.

[@bcarter123]

Don’t let people tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about, you have helped me out tremendously. I caught my first offshore fish using what I learned from your videos and your offshore fishing playbook! Now I’m just dialing in my approach. Keep up the good work!

[@johnthompson3297]

Excellent video, Jonny! Don't sweat the negative, Bud! Just keep in mind there are people, out there, that would complain if you hung them with a new rope. Age isn't an indicator of experience. You keep turning out videos and I'll keep watching!

[@colinmattson7959]

Mr. Johnny haters will always hate . Thank you for what you do

[@bmsovick]

Exactly the video I've been looking for over the last few weeks. You just saved me a couple thousand...thanks!

[@mikebrowning2431]

Your just being honest and not giving a sales pitch for a sponsor. Learn a ton from your vids. Watch most of them several times to keep learning!

[@craiggalunas2088]

Dude you rock! So informative. You just helped me make up my mind about whether to spend the money or not!

[@jeffmckee2981]

Johnny, keep posting your videos. You have the best and most informative videos out there. Always remember there are a lot of negative people in this world.

[@smorrow0816]

You are one of the most knowledgeable best instructors I have ever met. Impressive for being so young. Keep up the great work. Some old-timers like me are learning a lot from you.

[@JacobSchmittDeerHuntingSchool]

Johnny I’ll give you a tip seeing you’ve gave me a lot about bass fishing. You are a pro fisherman. You make a living because of fishing. The tip is everyone gets bad comments on there KZbin videos sometimes. I make deer hunting education videos and people that have only killed a few deer in their life have called me an idiot and say I don’t know what I’m talking about. They are haters they love throwing rocks at shiny things!!!

[@keithhockenberry2091]

Thank you for all of the knowledge you share . I've been fishing long before you were born & I have learned a lot from your videos keep up the great work awesome information THANK YOU !!

[@Trayman26]

Wish I knew half as much as you do about electronics Johnny. You are right there with those guys fishing too. Don’t cut yourself short. Thanks for the video.

[@VladimirGolondrina]

As always, good information and very nice analysis of the use of technology for different circumstances.

[@martygillette3764]

Young man you are awesome. I just bought a 2016 Ranger and I’m looking forward to fishing again. Your videos will be my go to to learn this technology. At 57 yrs old I need all the help I can get! Lol. Keep the content coming!

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

Never heard of you, until a fishing buddy told me about your channel. I've learned a LOT about Bass Fishing from you - as you explain as you go - just WHY you are saying what you do, and HOW to fish Better...! (It ain't easy teachin' an Old Dog like me, New "TRICKS" - either!) Haha!

[@burdettehoeppner1062]

Im glad you speek up on the reality of the situation. You stick to making these awesome videos that will further the knowledge of us fishermen that believe in your statistical, analytics and rational explanations. Keep making these videos.

[@rontaylor9736]

Thanks for the video and your explanations to support your opinion. Now I have a lot better understanding of the pros and cons of this awesome technology!

[@n2olowen2olowe35]

This may be my favorite video of yours. It's actually reassuring. I cant justify spending the money for 360 or livescope due to budgetary constraints and was beginning to feel like I would be severely handicapped in any significant tournament . I'd still like to have them and understand that they would certainly be useful, but it sounds like your saying an anglermay still has a fighting chance with only owning decent side imaging unit.

[@Boatflipit]

The new mega 360 is only 1100 bucks! Less than half of live scope

[@elvislee7686]

Panoptix LiveVu and Panoptix Livescope is definitely a game changer especially for ice fishing. Will be getting Panoptix LiveVu very soon here.

[@mikebrowning2431]

Your opinion is absolutely correct! If that boat is on spot lock he is not using livescope. He really wasn't even looking at them at that point. I do find it interesting what unit pics he did post cause I think that is the one he was getting the best view from. The most interesting thing was his retrieve he was using with the spinnerbaits. Awesome vid!

[@dirkwhite9008]

Jonny keep up the great content !!!! I've learned alot from your videos and your sure have helped my out with understanding my electronic alot better. Thanks for all you do and keep up the great content..

[@tracynewman5246]

Watching that tournament live you could tell he was throwing at a way point ..you are spot on in your observation ..as much time as Wheeler spends behind the he wheel graphing is why he’s so good at it. If we could all afford the to have 3 different units up front would be great but u still have to put in the time to learn them.good job 👍

[@rogerscheuermann4409]

Good job Professor, you saved me several thousand dollars. I would like to learn more concerning frequencies. Can you make a video on frequencies - 455, 800, 1200 Mega? Thanks

[@DadDnumba1]

It depends on the depth and type of bottom(hard/rocks etc or soft/mud) 455kh has a wider cone and farther cone but less clear image vs mega(narrow and shorter cone, but clearer image) it really depends on depth and lake. MEGA isn't always gonna work and same for 455 and 800 just takes experience to know which to use and how to adjust sensitivity, range, contrast and speed

[@chuckhoeppner1459]

You really, really know your electronics. Your analysis of Jacob Wheelers win is spot on. I plan to set up my new tournament boat similar to your mini wheelers setup. Keep rolling out those awesome videos.

[@mburke1211]

That was one heck of a job of using "fishing forensics" to prove your point. I believed you before you even presented all the evidence. Your understanding of sonar technology is very impressive.Great video to demonstrate that all the bells and whistles don't catch fish.

[@FishinMoney]

Having the equipment is one thing but knowing how to use it is another thing entirely. Good explanation! 🎣💰

[@kytrails]

Thanks for helping me get a better understanding of how fish relate to their environment. You have helped me gain confidence using maps and tools like side imaging, down scan, and 2d sonar. And now I have a much better understanding of 360 and live scope. I really like your thorough approach, leaves little room for error! Keep up the detailed approach! Love it!

[@stankaminski]

Jonny, you produced another great lesson. Thank you

[@jamesvircik2865]

Dude you’re awesome! You explained everything in the most honest true way it should be explained. I never knew exactly how a pro goes about his fishing day but I do now and I have a great focus of what should be done with the endless electronics. I have a helix seven and smoker craft pro angler give me another 10 years i’ll see you at the Classic

[@hat51]

Jonny, you should be a teacher. I really enjoy your videos and I have learned a lot from you. Thanks man!

[@sstig13]

Kinda new to this channel but some really legit knowledge in every video I have watched. Way better than most other channels I have ever watched.

[@patrickfahie8671]

Hard work, practice, persistence, lots of time spent on water are all great unless, like me, you fish twice a month for a couple hours. That being said, I also don’t have thousands in my fishing budget to devote to upgraded electronics. But I really enjoy your perspective and appreciate your take on electronics, as well as all of your fishing knowledge and opinions.

[@stevefulkerson3545]

Thank you for keeping it real! We all are aware, and choose to ignore it by the way, that most baits and even appliances are meant to catch FISHERMEN not just fish. Thank you for the concern about unreal expectations and possibly unwarranted expenditures! Great delivery!

[@tdog9150]

I have a 360 , and lov it . I don’t pro fish , have no interest , but I do enjoy looking at structure under the water , a 360 is a great tool , expensive , it works very well with other tools that I have … I won’t spend 100,000 on a boat , I put all my money in electronics, great video , Jonny , age has nothing to do with it , yu young people take to electronics like a duck to water . I strudel with a PlayStation remote ..

[@millertimeoutdoors7820]

Totally agree! I have livescope and has helped a little bit for a few offshore bites but not as good as I expected. It does give me confidence that what I see on my graphs are actually fish and they are in area I am fishing 😂

[@talltimber4577]

360 is worth every penny if you already bought it and put it on your boat. They have to tell themselves that if they spent the money on it! Keep up the great work you can out fish 95 % of the people that have 360 on there boat. 90 percent don’t even know what they are looking at!

[@MurkyWaterCentral]

Wow!! You really are a PRO. Not to mention you give Jacob the credit that he deserves. Explain to me why your not working for Humminbird!!

[@byroneaton2340]

By far the one person I feel went to Harvard for fishology. I'm not confused about side scanning anymore because of him.

[@jimknowles5483]

Jonny We really appreciate you! And for thoes whom are quick to criticize......remember, they are a 10 cent mouth, and that's overrated.....!!! For the rest of us I would like to propose a video that would cover the "non tournament" anglers. One in which we owen no electronics but want to choose our first high quality finder that is not sacrificing "ability" or cutting a corner financially to save money.... so, I don't mind spending.....but am desperately in need of trusted advice to find the line where more money is just say, bigger, but no better! And that is a description of you, trusted and honest! I absolutely don't want to buy something and the say "if only I had spent a little more....and got this feature. I am sure you have a lot of demands pulling on you. So thanks! just jim

[@paulprovenzano5596]

thank you for your time. it was very helpful.

[@chuckhoeppner1459]

I'm very impressed with all your videos. Your knowledge of what pros do with their electronics to find fish is very impressive. Keep up the great work in producing your videos. Your videos are super informative and very professional. Your explanation of what bass look like using the flashlight and rock and shadow was outstanding.

[@ivymoore2368]

Listen boy you are the real deal we don't care about what people think or say about everything you have said and showed has been on point I watch you your videos and what I wanted to a problem I go back to your videos and get the solution to my problems. So keep doing what you do to me you are a f****** Pro. Point Blank young or old this is the technology that you actually grew up with these Old-Timers don't know nothing about this new technology like you would. Point Blank.

[@m14hh5]

I might get 360 but I definitely know that it’s not needed. I’ve done well in the last two kayak fishing events (varied species other than bass) without a fish finder. Previously I had a helix 5 with di only and recently upgraded to the helix 8 with si after having an accident with the 5. The SI definitely going to be the biggest difference.

[@douglasfields3942]

I do not think you are "stupid." I agree with you, that skill plays an important part of fishing and catching fish. I use technology about 20%, but 60% to 70% is pure skill technique. So keep doing what you are doing!!!

[@jamesw5836]

I have been doing electronics installs and training as a side job for many years now. I have be very fortunate in the fact that a few of my customers are high quality tournament fisherman. They are way beyond what the average negative commentator "thinks" they are. Three of them you see on TV. I get to spend the day with them occasionally and you are spot on. Do they all have the best of the best? Of course, but it's because they want the tools that might help them catch an extra fish or two, it's not the reason they are so good at what they do. I honestly think the 360 and livescope help amateurs more than the pros. On top of that they are loads of fun to use :-) When it comes to being a "pro" ignore the comments. One of the best fisherman I know has pros in his driveway all the time picking his brain. He could care less about tournament fishing. What he has is good at is understanding fish behavior and attention to detail.

[@harrysample894]

Totally agree with you, Jonny. Commentators are just doing the advertising that they probably are requested to do .

[@johnr6025]

Livescope helps me alot when I am fishing bank structure trees, docks etc. it allows me to see if fish are present and keeps me from wasting time in a dead zone

[@handyallaround5776]

excellent observation and thanks for the clarification, you will be on the mlf one day for sure!

[@tonybass5662]

Jonny still firing out that fire content! Keep 'em coming. Love the gloves I bought from you.

[@jasonedmonds440]

Johnny I love your videos there are some of the most informative in depth videos out there. As far as live scope and side scan I can agree and disagree on things. The side scan has it place as but livescope will become a bigger player sooner than later. I have been using it over a year. It will teach you more about fish behavior in year that I could have learned in 20 years. When the bass guys learn how to target the big ones watch out. I caught multiple fish over 9 lbs this past year you can put the bait on there nose or see them react in a negative way and change. Lesson learned is all this different tools have there place. Keep up the good work you are helping lots of fisherman including me.

[@sweetsilage]

You have a great understanding of your target audience and how to help them.. Thank you so much

[@joshpierson6343]

Keep up the good work. Love your channel. Give the haters a live imaging unit and a dude in a Jon boat with a hook 2 and a mullet will still beat them.

[@digitallureworks7297]

I’m a livescope user and agree with your assessment. With LiveScope you absolutely can see a big fish and target it. Will it bite? Who knows. It’s time consuming and fun (for me) to fish that way, but I think a bass pro doesn’t have the time to do this. For them traditional methods produce more fish quickly and if they spend all their time targeting individual fish, their results would probably suffer. Crappie tournament fishing? That’s a different story and was not the subject of this video. I am mediocre fisherman and LiveScope helps me in a big way. It also makes you better at interpreting side imaging because you can see something on side imaging, go back and inspect with LiveScope. I do not regret the purchase.

[@MrTiopy]

Classroom in session 💪🔥🍺

[@RaySmithWeb]

Thank you for everything you do, brother. This is the most useful knowledge about bass fishing I've found on KZbin.

[@tomlally5946]

That was a great recap of Jacob’s win and how the technologies work. I was thinking about adding 360 imaging on top of the Livescope that I have. I am not going to do that now. Great and useful video/content!

[@DroptineTrans]

You ARE definitely a Pro! Absolute best bass fishing channel! Awesome work!

[@Straightshot75]

Good job explaining the situation and putting reality on the line. I think the reason behind the commentators pushing the 360 imagining is for marketing purposes to try and sell the products. It's all about money in the end for the sponsors in the end and I'm sure they have influence on what's said and can be said to some extent.

[@DrGargani]

If you look at the direction of the current coming towards the nose of the boat, he HAD to point the bow towards that, in order for the spot lock to be the most effective.....since he knew where they were, he didn't need to have the panoptix constantly showing the spot ahead......

[@ronniepatterson7245]

Another great video. Thank you for posting. I learn a lot from them .

[@outdoorsman9384]

JOHNY YOUR A GENIUS, KEEP TEACHING US BLUE COLLAR BOYS, ARE COMMON SENSE AND YOUR PAPER AND APPLICATIONS EXCSPERIANCE WILL TAKE US ALL TO A HIGHER FISHING IQ LEVEL,,HOOKED UUUUUP, FISHHHHH OOOONNN,,,,😁😁😁

[@BradWyatt]

I don't think you are wrong at all in your theory of how he found them but the no 360 point is throwing me. Multiple times in the video of him fishing the bottom bird has 360 displayed. And the 360 is for finding the fish regardless of which direction the boat is pointed. Again, just an observation and I 100% still on board with the info you put out, i come to learn! Great work!

[@leeyarbrough9636]

I think you are the best none pro illustrater I ever seen on these types videos an I mean the best , I know you could do the pros cause you figure the puzzle out everyday don’t listen to them idiots saying all that an Iv been doing this for 40 years. I’d take ya as a partner any day of the week up on the Tennessee River. Nice video. Once again.

[@danielmickelsen2103]

Great info Jonny, keep it up !

[@danielnies7144]

Love the channel keep up the great work I love my humming bird and I love my garmin live scope they definitely help

[@danielwood5510]

Super awesome video!! Thank you for this kind of content bro, I'm a huge fan

[@johnderderian6429]

Great video and truly appreciate your depth of knowledge on this topic.

[@profbill77]

Love the channel. One thing, those are pie charts, not venn diagrams.

[@FishtheMoment]

Haha yeah I hoped no one noticed...

[@benjaminluebberst168]

I was about to say the same the. I saw the comment lol

[@bigdawgD2003]

Is this the closet nerd secret gathering. Pie chart, Venn diagram, maybe next time we'll see a scatter diagram!

[@marktorello3133]

This is good stuff! Thanks for putting this together.

[@danielnies7144]

It's all about putting the pieces of the puzzle together

[@gregsmith3623]

I'd definitely go with Garmin from now on, have humminbird 360 and only 40 hours of use and done,they won't repair because it's six years old,was in bad health for awhile,

[@1961fireguy]

Good video! Keep on being you dont worry about the negative comments. Some of us enjoy learning as much as we can.

[@12ernie]

Great video! Always great information! Thanks for making all the videos!

[@dr.charlescunico7376]

I’ve got a livescope on my bow...for bass fishing it’s “so so.” Now, for jigging crappie in the brush, it’s KILLER!!! You are right tho, it won’t make you a better fisherman. You still gotta get them to bite and no technology does that.

[@GreatLakesAngler]

Jacob is the best electronics fisherman in the world! If anyone wants to see how he will be dominating the next few years, watch him as he uses 3 different brands of electronics. They invented the "Wheeler Rule" because of his advanced techniques.

[@ricksimon9376]

I fish alot in NY & last yr was my 1st with Panoptix. You still have to have general knowledge of where fish are at during a certain time of yr. Last fall I was out deep fish humps for smallies & not doing good. Panoptix helped me pinpoint my cast to within a couple feet & I started nailing them. You cant troll around a whole lake with Panoptix looking for fish.

[@kevinwill8542]

watching live,u get what the pros are really doing ..no editing ….

[@myriammorrison9840]

You were clear the first time. Enjoyed the rant 🤨 anyway. 😂

[@grantkallevig2299]

LOL. Who could possibly listen to Johnny talk and think he doesn't know what he's talking about? Kid's a sonar genius.

[@phoenixw2w]

Fish on! Great vid🎣

[@markdoerr5529]

Well freaking said Jonny!!!! Keep the great vids coming!!!!!

[@alejandrocanal88]

thanks for the advice !

[@warriors5779]

thanks, luv the passion

[@smidyanglingtv]

@Jonny I agree 100% that *finding* the fish was mainly because of his skills and using the side imaging but I also believe that the 360 and live scope helped him around 30-40% in *catching* the fish. Hopes this makes sense. At the end of the day finders are simply tools, it doesn't catch fish it simply makes it easier finding them and putting yourself up for success in catching the fish. Kind Regards

[@ericarnold6309]

He stated in a interview that he didn’t even have 360 that day.

[@ryanerb403]

Another great video, keep em coming!!

[@rrrr635]

I agree. I like the 360 just don't like the glare from screen. I Like Garmin. A buddy just got Livescope and we are still learning.