Living in the Edge Times

[@bethnorcross3431]

Thanks so much for this wise and deep conversation about the real roots of our climate crisis. Leah Rampy tells us the truth in a gentle but direct manner that not only allows us to hear it but compels us to hear it. Her wisdom during these chaotic times is a balm for our souls and a call to action.

[@bethnorcross3431]

❤

[@cht2162]

It is a very heartbreaking experience being on the edge of extinction. At age 85, I never expected to be in one of the last human generations to exist on planet earth. A violent ending for an aggressive species.

[@earthsystem]

I knew from childhood that things were bizarre around me, and society was a jumble of made-up rules. The rules are tightly intertwined, we can't break free of them. As a whole. Only individuals seem able.

[@michaelschiessl8357]

Unfortunately we kind of deserve it..We were put here to be caretakers of this planet and its species..Instead we have destroyed both..Violent ending for a Violent species.

[@alanj9978]

Humans probably aren't going extinct. Pre-industrial humans managed to survive in deserts and the high arctic and everything in between. There will probably be a lot less of us, though, that's for sure.

[@Jc-ms5vv]

@@alanj9978humans are most definitely going extinct

[@PleaseDontEatAnimals]

Well said. All we can do now is choose compassion and kindness towards all the planet's inhabitants on our way out...

[@TheErnestCline]

I was in supported housing in brighton, england - ymca hostel, really oppressive and bullying for unhoused people. I got really into gardening, and buying thousands of pounds worth of plants I interspersed together like a jungle in form. Bluebells, daffodils, wild tulips, lilies, dahlias, foxgloves, all sorts of other random stuff. They hated it and eventually they decided to go the extra mile and then killed 4 of the 5 silver birches hosting so many of these plants, insects and a nest of breeding wood pigeons despite begging them to leave it. They had a need to commit ecocide and be evil to us. There was no effort to help us even though they were playing with our lives. They even blamed future climate change for the risk of the trees causing damage to the building like falling on them. I don't regret doing it all even though it was destroyed. It created massive ecological benefits to the birds and others. And enriched our lives on an earth or understory level. When they removed the 4 trees we went straight into the 2022 europe heatwave with 40°C heat. Less canopy and physically more exposed to heat stroke. Thankfully I'm out of that hell and still at the gardening in my own council place now 💚

[@rdallas81]

Keep it up. Gardening is awesome. Thanks for caring for nature too.

[@paulzozula1318]

We must do our best to preserve as much as possible that is good in the natural and built environment. I hope that mankind at some point realizes that this is essential and greatly preferable. We cannot stand by and just watch things unravel when there are effective interventions at hand.

[@earthsystem]

In my love garden I remember the birds, the squirrels, insects, still have generations to live, since their life spans are short.

[@seankingwell3692]

They did the same in Canada, its all planned its all on purpose by design.

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

Thank you. So impressed by the grounded understanding and sense of "just folks talking" you both brought to this conversation. I think this is the right approach for many in the US right now. Part of the challenge we seem to have missed in the so-called "climate movement" (and you're right -- it is so much more than that) is just this: Bringing perception of the challenges inherent to the issues home where people are living, moment to moment. Leah has it right on point: This is all really about the heart.

[@earthsystem]

These conversations are what My heart years for. I wish we could all meet on zoom to share our joined love for the planet and what has been

[@johnkintree763]

We are One.

[@MrRandythibeault]

The McPherson Paradox: God----- rest HerSoul No not all good things grow Old. Time----- and circumstance, Come together for a final dance. Where --- do Sons and Fa--thers stand, With selling out to the course of Man? How--- long will fall to chance. When you're standing on the fence, And your right is your defence. (Fast) Looking for salvation can’t be so bad, if Eternal Damnation was all we had. And you’re gone it’s only God that’s mad. It's a pendulum of truth and lies well They say when it ends everybody dies, So don’t believe. And don’t ever try. Drinking Truth from a privileged cup well, You know it ain’t just sad, it’s all fkd up. And the heat goes up. When it all comes down. Civilization was a one way train, You wanna stop it now? Ya gotta be insane! And it all adds up. When it all goes down Well the Heat goes up, When it all------- all comes down. -TgoD

[@nazmiyahsayuti7050]

Thank you ladies, from Indonesia, eastern part of Indonesia where the coral reef holds 75% of world diversity, it is like the sea Amazon, one of 16 tipping points is now threatened by sea warming and sea level rising, and slowing down of AMOC. Eastern part of Indonesia archipelago is where 120 million people depend on their livelihood and such a rich maritime cultures.

[@earthsystem]

About 8 years back the New York times headline said we've used up all the sand. Can you imagine? Using up all the sand on earth.

[@LivingNow678]

Just a suggestion 'The Next President' a 47 years old song from Freddie mcCoy dit Ahmed Sofi

[@catythatzall4now]

Thank you both for having this conversation and sharing it with us - You are saying what I say- it falls on deaf ears for decades - Lately I am thinking about How do we make time capsules ? We need to be thinking about what we want to leave behind.

[@voteutah]

I too grew up on Long Island. I wrote a very humorous novel about being there in the summer of '59: "A Sumer with Freeman." On Kindle as cheap as they'd let me sell it. "Look inside" and you'll know if you want it. Memories of how it was, great escape for me writing it.

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

Great P.R.

[@Jorden.Florence]

We need to change the term "we need to save the planet" it's promoting the disconnect in people's minds. I know it not as catchy but the term needs to be something like "we need to save the conditions for our species to exist on this planet"

[@EmeraldView]

Dark times ahead to be sure. We have no viable solutions and it's too late if we did. But if we did, we wouldn't employ them anyway. Humans. 😕

[@jamesharkins6799]

@@EmeraldView there are simple, achievable solutions just not the will.

[@earthsystem]

The "hive mind" of the humans behaves differently than individuals. We're a colony species in my opinion, so sad.

[@LivingNow678]

Just a suggestion 'The Next President' a 47 years old song from Freddie mcCoy dit Ahmed Sofi

[@Zookeeper.]

It is. We are all complex beings 😊

[@cht2162]

Our destiny has always been extinction.

[@TennesseeJed]

❤

[@danielfaben5838]

Lovely considerations. Changing of hearts and minds is a civilized method of thinking. My mind may tell me this time is crucial and my heart may break from the pain caused by general human activity but I am remaining as an industry sustained person in almost all ways. I use the same roads, communications methods, pay taxes, earn interest and dividends and am entertained as most everyone else to some degree. Could I live without a new plastic toothbrush every once in a while? Perhaps but until I am not given a choice, I think I like the convenience. I can rationalize my behavior with the best of them. Does that make me a hypocrite? You bet. And just because I know better doesn't conceivably make me a better human. A better human will be a dead human unless there is a new movement toward slavery. As an industrial society we only know how to enslave the other beings and ecosystems on the planet so it only makes sense to be ready to go down that path with each other once again.

[@rdallas81]

I think we can enjoy these conveniences in modern life but better choices in disposable and recycling methods should improve a lot.

[@ecocentrichomestead6783]

Part of the challenge is how much we are like all other animals. All other animals wander about, taking whatever strikes them fancy. Humans do the same. We claim to have wisdom, foresight, logic.... But when push comes to shove, we don't. We are just base animals like all the rest. The "indigenous" are no different. They just don't have the education and technology the rest of the world has.

[@Livingthewild]

We are not like other animals in one tragic way: Humans have betrayed our purpose to the planet. All other animals are serving their purpose. Industrial humans make me wonder if we are no more than an evolutionary error.

[@pismopleasure]

We "fit" the world and the ecosystem by creating a fully sustainable civilization. That means simpler lifestyles and a much smaller total population. A transition to that next civilization is the whole ballgame for our species. If we can manage that transition we'll survive. If not we'll be extinct probably within 100 years.

[@rdallas81]

Lead the way-

[@rdallas81]

You can start by throwing out your phone.

[@LivingNow678]

Just a suggestion 'The Next President' a 47 years old song from Freddie mcCoy dit Ahmed Sofi

[@LandscaperGarry]

"Future lifetimes"...lol...lol...dream on...

[@spacemonkey-yj7ss]

typically human. always looking for answers in the past. i thought that our greatest strength was recognizing patterns. well look its there for all to see. this planet can only support 2 billion souls. " this town aint big enough for the both of us and it aint me whose going to leave".

[@rdallas81]

You'll leave alright.

[@LivingNow678]

Just a suggestion 'The Next President' a 47 years old song from Freddie mcCoy dit Ahmed Sofi

[@ReesCatOphuls]

11:30 Its 6 out of 9 planetary boundaries crossed. 7th is close apparently.

[@FacingFuture]

yes, you are correct. 6 out of 9!

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

At least I’m enjoying the ride!

[@markschuette3770]

we need to Vote for people who care about this! and we need to teach this in our schools! we are animals NOT a creation of a man called "god" !! anyone but trump!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tsg2009]

They don't and wont give us anyone that cares to vote for

[@LivingNow678]

Just a suggestion 'The Next President' a 47 years old song from Freddie mcCoy dit Ahmed Sofi

[@seankingwell3692]

anyone who is against white people living in their own country? WTF is wrong with you? Socialism does not help the environment.

[@jamesharkins6799]

Extinction has been humanity's destiny from the beginning

[@rdallas81]

In a way, correct.

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

No, it’s evolution. Eventually we will kill the biosphere and humanity will cease to exist.

[@EmeraldView]

@@rdallas81 Sure, but we might have had a lot longer had we avoided industry. Or probably even agriculture and the development of civilization.

[@NikFeys]

Survival is the exception, Extinction the norm.

[@jamesharkins6799]

@@EmeraldView yes, civilization is a heat engine 🔥. The Bushmen will not notice when it is gone.

[@ldi007]

We are in the birth pains and contractions of the age of Aquarius.

[@johnchester7476]

What me want,me get

[@rdallas81]

Sure 😂😂😂😂

[@erdelegy]

Dale blames "our society's Christian craziness", but Rev 11:18 says "God will ruin those who ruin the earth." Modern industrial society clearly departed from the original Judeo-Christian wisdom hundreds of years ago.

[@johnnyjet3.1412]

So, you eat eggplant to get the minimum daily requirement of Nicotene in your diet?

[@rdallas81]

As long as its baked and not fried nicotine. Some salt goes good with it😊

[@antonyjh1234]

There's a few problems with crops that never get admitted to, USA does 5.9 billion tons for humans and around 140 million ton of corn for all animals, cattle take half, we will never replace all that we get from animals as it's not just meat, it's what holds together toilet paper, pet food, fat in asphalt, we use 99% of the animals so all needs a grown replacement. More crop waste is fed to animals, mostly caged, than food we grow for them and animals on non arable land with fairly low inputs that are no worse than wild animals. Completely wrong to go to a plant based diet because diet is not the metric that all the emissions should have been measured against. I've been vegan but now carnivore, nothing is cleaner for the environment than an animal on non arable land and all cows are grass raised as no cow can take grain from an early age. Final point, on Guy Mcphersons channel he shows that cattle are carbon neutral for the methane they emit, the herd size has not increased in USA, considering Bison as well, for 100 years, methane leaves after 100 years so no further warming has occurred. If they meant 0.6 of a degree warming and the herd size doesn't increase over that time period then no further warming can occur because of the short life of methane, saying 28 times over a hundred years when CO2 is around 10,000 years is an unfair comparison.

[@TutorWindow]

Humans are adaptable. Some of us will survive. Winning. Salinger observed that watching a kid drink milk is like watching god pour god into god.

[@MarneeMadsen]

Hubristic anthropocentric nonsense

[@Jc-ms5vv]

Can’t adapt to a lifeless planet

[@MountaineeringSense]

Simple Equation! Earth - 7.5 Billion Humans. Problem Solved!

[@teethompson7756]

Is it truly the number of people or how we CHOOSE to live? Even 4 billion people living a western lifestyle is unsustainable.

[@FacingFuture]

@@teethompson7756 It's definately the western lifestyle, particularly that of the weathiest people. At an American lifestyle, 1 billion people could be sustained, at a European , 2 billion.

[@magesalmanac6424]

The number of people wouldn’t matter if we lived differently. Look at how much pollution just a handful of rich people create!

[@nazmiyahsayuti7050]

Really? Oxfam said 10% richest emit 50% emission while 50% poorest only 10%?

[@antonyjh1234]

The lawn is the world's largest irrigated crop, just to look nice, we barely do things right.

[@mtbtrailrider6653]

well the meat opinion i think is naive. did cave men eat vegetables, you cant live on vegetable alone our bodies are not made up for that. we do need too learn how too do that farming more compassionate with animals. its been proven we are healthier and in better shape when we eat lean meats.our brains function better off the nutrients from meats. but we can do it much better than the giant corporate meat farms. that needs too be smaller and spread through out our society so that animals are not treated so horribly.

[@Patrick_Ross]

Actually, humans can exists and live a healthy lifestyle on a whole food, plant-based diet. A vegan diet has been scientifically proven to be far healthier than a diet that includes meat.

[@MountaineeringSense]

Your "arm chair" examination of the thermodynamics of the "Human Diet" is not realistic! Sure the protein content of "Meat" is likely higher than that of a Bean! However, the risks and marketing of digesting mean per calorie are much higher that planting and harvesting a bean!

[@maggieadams8600]

According to scientific studies you're far more likely to get colon cancer if you eat meat, and that's the tip of the iceberg! You know that fat that blocks sewers because restaurants pour a lot of animal fat down the drain? Well that's what courses through the arteries in people.who eat meat. Vegetables and fruit, nuts and seeds etc, don't do that. You can't live without eating plants!

[@Mike80528]

@@Patrick_Ross No, we cannot without modern science providing supplements. There are amino acids we can only get from red meat. If growing your own, you cannot live on only what you grow and be healthy. Also, have any pets?

[@Patrick_Ross]

@ - thank goodness for modern science, eh?! We can live healthier lives while reducing our carbon footprint! ….and no, I don’t have any pets. Why?

[@tsg2009]

You people need to educate yourselves on agricultural because the production of plants far outways the co2 release then animal farming, stop the misinformation. Its not about you and your moralities

[@antonyjh1234]

All animals in USA take around a third of corn and 8% of human usable soy, the corn is around 140 million ton, human crops are 5.9 billion. You are right and they are wrong on the environment side because of the huge amounts of inputs but here's the kicker, we feed more crop waste now because of this misleading propaganda than food we grow for them, so while it's been terrible for the planet ironically crop based people has meant cheaper meat. I used to be vegan but now basically carnivore, nothing is cleaner than an animal on non arable land and I don't eat caged so it's mainly beef now. Cattle if the numbers haven't increased and because methane apparently decays after a hundred years, then no further warming has been added if as I say the herd size hasn't increased and I had a look it's roughly the same, so cattle are carbon neutral for the methane they emit, all the tractors and CO2 however stays in the system 10,000 years, comparing methane on a one hundred year scale seems incorrect. I don't know if it is their moralities only, instead just a product of their environment based on food company fibs, I know the stories, now I can't believe all the emissions of the whole animal were put onto the meat, with the fat cut off and then compared just by weight, a silly comparison but if you do it that way then they aren't really lying just twisting the truth. A kilo of grapes should have less emissions than a kilo of beef, ones seasonal and the other not but it's more dense, nutritious, more of what the body needs and we get the other denser part of the animal, almost half and that goes into everyday goods like toilet paper. To have a grown replacement and everybody turn vegan from the 3% that are now, the worlds bee's wouldn't handle it, a 3500% increase numbers, into the tiny sliver of atmosphere insects breathe? Crops are the reason for the insect loss and we should al,have the daily recommended amount of meat instead of the mantra "less meat" , they never say from what level though do they?

[@stookful]

Nonsense. The animals you eat are fed plants produced from arable farming. 80% of soya, 41% of ceral and 40% of beet crops are fed to farm animals. So CO2 produced in growing these crops for animal feed are in addition to CO2 produced in the housing, transportation and effluent produced in animal husbandry. Therefore there are more emissions from eating meat than a plant based diet.

[@alanj9978]

Meat eaters are far healthier than vegans, sorry folks. Never getting on board with the vegan plan. I would like to see the cows eating grass on regenerative farms, though.