Living With A P3 Volvo S60 & V60 - Long Term Ownership Experience

[@mountaincat23]

The blower motor can be fixed in about five minutes with a spritz of lubricant from the cowl side under the wipers. Look it up, many instructions on KZbin and elsewhere. Lasts for years, then redo.

[@sally6457]

Beechwood probably refers to wood from the beech tree, rather than driftwood found on a beach.

[@fcpeuro]

Welp Sally.... that just makes too much sense now. The more you know.

[@DougFrantz]

Using spelling I see. Beech is pretty light... would take alot of oil to get it to the orange color. Though I am a big fan of beechwood in the Volvos!

[@bonperal]

More of this type of content please. Thanks!

[@fcpeuro]

Glad you like it!

[@mateusz4244]

These seats are amazing but previous generation had also very comfortable seats- loved these semi leather- in my opinion you can complain about some thing in Volvo cars but you can't say bad word about seats. I do trips 423 miles long every month without any stops and I leave a car without any pain. There is one thing to S60/V60 worth noting, driving position is quite high so if you like to sit closer to the ground like in BMW then you can be disappointed about how low you can go. I have ocean race package with 18" rims and I also went for standard profile tyres and changed to 235/45R18 XL. So for anyone wondering if they can fit I have none problems. I also had problem with bent rims but it might because of low profile tyres or how previous owner driven.

[@fcpeuro]

Have to agree! Volvo has always done seats exceptionally well!

[@dirkdiggler8973]

Had an V60 D6 2015 a few years, gave me a lot of joy and 6000 miles(metric) in 3 years before I sold it for a Cupra. Love the comfort in the seat´s, handling and the space when 4 people travels threw Europe.

[@fcpeuro]

The seats are absolutely fantastic on these cars! What made you sell it for a Cupra?

[@dirkdiggler8973]

@@fcpeuro Cupra Born, Need an electric car with the new job I´ve got. the company has a contract and in that contract u can´t transport your self with fossil engines. Had a lot of Volvo´s. started with an 240 Turbo, V40 T4, four V70n(all 2.5T) and finished with the hybrid V60. probably going to be a new Volvo later on.

[@thatvolvoguy6565]

This is the greatest car I've ever owned 👏 I had a t5,t6 and id do it again idc only car id ever want

[@fcpeuro]

Glad you love the P3's!

[@jaybee6280]

good info. I am just getting one of these so im glad to hear overall good things.

[@dansecor8753]

2016 V60 T5 premier. Bought last year, put over 25K miles on it and besides oil changes virtually zero maintenance (and I look out for issues). This is a very comfortable, reasonably fast and nice-looking car. I hope I don't jinx myself by saying all that, but sincerely I'm very happy with this car so far.

[@scott77775]

I'm looking at one now with 91k on it 2 owners. They want 11.5k for it. Are you still happy with it?

[@dansecor8753]

@@scott77775 I it because I moved overseas

[@jason4554123]

Just bought a p3 s60 on November 2021, it's excellent. Glad to see this video come out though.

[@fcpeuro]

Glad you like your P3 S60, Jason!

[@Loydxmas]

What year is yours? How has it been so far in terms of reliability?

[@jason4554123]

@@Loydxmas It's a 2016 S60 with the new Drive-E power train, 2 litre four cylinders turbo engine. With the eight speed automatic transmission. I used the recommended 0W-20 Vcc oily, and change it frequently, so far the reliability is nice, but parts are definitely more expensive than other more common premium brand cars.

[@dannywhite7273]

Just purchased my first Volvo s60 t5. Will be here Thursday and looking forward to it. Your videos make me want this week to hurry up!!!

[@fcpeuro]

Have fun!

[@NilsHedstrom]

Great video! I have a red V60 T4F from 2014. Main reason i bought it was because it looks really good and fairly aggressive/sporty too but nothing too much, while it also being a very safe car. It’s a really great and smooth car to drive, just hope I’ll have a fairly troublefree ownership haha!

[@JJomoro]

3 years with the exact model, trouble free so you will be alright.

[@NilsHedstrom]

@@JJomoro Hey thats great to hear! Heard some mixed things about the flexifuel ones but overall the petrols from those years seem to be great(Eventhough it's a Ford engine). I have had it for about 1,5 years now and the only repair so far is clutch cylinder which wasn't too expensive, hope it stays that way. Love the car!

[@roderzzz]

Got the 2012 V60 T6 here in Aus, over 200k kms on the clock, going strong, only issue had to replace an alternator. Can attest the suspension feels so stiff on the 19s, have buckled a rim going over a pothole!

[@fcpeuro]

T6 must be a blast! Yeah, watch out for those potholes on the 19s! As Adam mentioned, switching to non-run-flat tires helps.

[@meridianmedia1093]

The best tire 🛞 is the continental eco e… the run flats were very rough in cabin feel.

[@pgreenx]

I thought the P3 piston issue was resolved around 2011 and not 12, 13 …..? Was that non turbo 3.2?

[@zulusmith]

I have a 2018 Volvo V60 Cross Country with Osmium Gray paint. Adam mentioned that the armrest in the door is not great. I agree and also think he neglected to mention that the center armrest also sucks. The "floating" center console eats up space that pushes the cupholders back, which then pushes the center armrest back. You really don't have room to adequately rest your forearm, which is okay when you're driving around town, but sucks when you're traveling long distances. I also have challenges with the footwell, as I can't really adjust my left leg due to the way it's constructed. I pretty much have to stretch it out the entire time, instead of being able to bring my leg into a 45 degree angle. Other than the above, the car is a pleasure to drive. With the right tires, it handles WAY better than you would expect and the hp and torque are more than enough.

[@AWMJoeyjoejoe]

Its a shame the V70 was discontinued so abruptly in the US, and its also a shame you guys didnt get the D5 engine. Its a peach! Torque for days.

[@rickywinthrop]

I drive a 2015 v60 I6 rdesign. Absolute stealth rocketship I was sure regretting buying that car on the way to the hospital with a large kidney stone but I'm pretty sure the harsh sport suspension over rutted canadian winter roads is what actually helped me pass it lol

[@fcpeuro]

😬😅

[@smiIingman]

Is there anyone in the comments here who have owned a p3 v70 and a v60 that could tell me how they compare in terms of comfort (like road bumps, noise etc..) and driveability, id imagine the v60 feels more sportier. I currently own a 2012 xc60 with the d3 twin turbo engine and it is an absolute riot to drive since it also has a stage 2 tune but it is by far the most uncomfortable ride of all the volvos ive owned, every single imperfection let alone bump in the road really "rackets" the car about, in comparison to the 2011 s80 i had the chance to drive for about 10 minutes, that thing absorbed bumps without issue and barely had any road noise with 17" wheels. Id like to get a p3 v70 next but im also eyeing the v60 since it's a tad smaller and i live alone so the v70 would be a bit needlessly large but if the v70 is as premium feeling as the p2 gen v70 then id be inclined to go with that. My xc60 feels like a tin can when closing the doors, it has that ugly echoey sound to it which the p2 v70 didnt.

[@QCortes.]

Good walkthrough of the V60. Found a base model 2016 (only option is keyless start) with 19k. Was curious to see if I was missing out on other options and it sounds like even with the better suspension and wheels you have to live with a harsher ride. I personally think the base 17s with the stock suspension is already a bit on the firm side, but I’m just used to floaty cars!

[@fcpeuro]

Base with the 17s will definitely ride smoother! It really depends on your style of driving, most drivers don't need the sport suspension, especially if you have some rough roads near you. But even the non-sport suspension will handle corners quite well!

[@laszlovona]

you may have already bought your nice P3 by now, just wanted to add my fresh thoughts on the ride comfort. I used the P2 S80 for 10.5 yrs and recently switched to a V60 mk1 with 18 wheels, and ehh.. it turned out to be a tradeoff.. NVH is noticeably worse in this newer car (especially in the rear seats - my passangers complained haha) and you don't feel that indestructible monolithic Volvo sorrunding. Some of this may have to do sthg with the wagon vs sedan chassis, but I also feel that there was less attention/money spent in this area on the newer car.. anyway.. I wanted to drive something newer (but still not a 2.0 VEA version) so I made my move. enjoy your Volvo!

[@meridianmedia1093]

Volvo now covers rings under 8 years and 100000 miles. Oil consumption in mine failed and they covered it. Except I had new parts , oil tap and coils etc. like a new engine:) 36/38 mpg highway using adaptive cruise. Quietest wagon I have ever had. 99,000 and brakes /rotors tie rods next. Has dealer change the transmission fluid on their machine. Thanks FPC for really covering the rebuilds of these drive e’s and would love to see more of them😊

[@billdaniel8310]

I have a 2013 V60 D3 Teknik, 5 cylinder diesel that produces 160Hp and 400nm torque, came with 17" x 8" wheels with 235/45 Michelin tyres. I have 78,000 Miles on the clock and I replaced the timing belt and water pump at the 75,000 mile mark. No other problems with the car considering its 11 years old.

[@chrisgillstrap4795]

Love the video. I have the same exact car. I had my ECU modded to stage 1 by Hilton. The car screams now like an R design.

[@Bellakelpie]

The auto reverse function works very well, but is quite unnerving to use at first. My wife hates it and refuses to use it. 😉 She says the reversing camera does just fine.

[@fcpeuro]

Definitely unnerving at first! This was Adam's first time using it. I don't think he plans on using it often, but it's a cool feature nonetheless!

[@rjoly8029]

Been watching your P3 vids :) I've had my 2017 V60 CC for just over a year it's been a great upgrade from the old XC90 lug. Just one quick question, the sticker in my engine bay says to use 5w30 but online it shows 0w20?? I'm in Canada but park inside so cold starts aren't happening alot. Thx.

[@MrRun4cover]

I have the same car, except that it's dark gray and has light colored leather, with the performance suspension. I love it. It feels the same at 120 mph as it does at 60 mph so I have to remember to use that cruise control. Best mileage I've seen on a tank is 39 mpg, but with my lead foot I average 35 mpg.

[@fcpeuro]

These cars definitely mask speed very well! 35 mpg with a lead foot is still fantastic!

[@Neptune8]

What engine do you have? I was always worried if I got one these I’d end up paying and arm and a leg in fuel costs

[@ethandonivan5175]

We have a p80, p1 (1st and 2nd gen), p2 and a p3. Our p3 will go into a sort of limp mode randomly, it shifts through all the gears it’s just sluggish and surgy with no boost. Restart and it is perfect again. Under no certain circumstances. No codes in any of the modules. Have y’all heard about this?

[@zzoinks]

I wonder if it's some transmission issue, on my old Buick, sometimes it would start shifting rough, but after turning off the car it would fix itself for a while. And other days the transmission was just fine . Also my current P2 has some shifting issues from poor transmission maintenance, but no error codes come up on the OBD2 reader and there's no check engine light. (maybe you need a special Volvo tool to see those error codes?)

[@sofokle888]

I recently bought s60 2012 1.6 drivE Diesel 88kw engine and compared to my 2014 1.6 iDtec Honda CRV Volvo lacks a lot of pulling Power in 1st and 2nd gear, it fells like it has a Trailer attached to it when I start. Is this general case with this engine od should I have my engine checked?

[@FullmetalC5]

I've got a 2014 S60 T6, working on having the fastest daily driven P3 in Texas, or at least in the DFW area.

[@fcpeuro]

Nice work!

[@michigan_supercars6569]

Can you provide a link to that forum about piston rings and engine oil consumption. I own a 2014 Volvo S60 and wouldn't mind having this on hand. My engine does consume a little bit of oil. If and when I have to replace my piston rings, do you know if I'd be able to fit the newer, updated ones? Thanks!

[@fcpeuro]

If you were to have your pistons replaced, it would most certainly be the newer updated design. How much oil are you burning, approximately?

[@michigan_supercars6569]

@@fcpeuro I'm burning about 1/2 quart of oil ever 2,500 to 3,000 miles. From what I've read online, that seems like a "normal" amount of my type of age car with 102,000 miles (T5 engine). But what do you guys say about that?

[@LaRafa7]

This video was great 👍🏻.

[@fcpeuro]

Glad you like it, Rafael!

[@sazlefraz]

is it possible to get a dynamic with the harmon kardon system in the dynamic trim? or do i have to go to the rdesign? Cause im not really sure how reliable the twin charged engines are and i plan to keep my car well past the 150k mark.

[@lyndseyrabon8737]

I have a 2016 S60 T5 Inscription Platinum 2.0L. Great content - more please! I am looking for content that is DIY related - changing cabin filters/air filters, cleaning air system, etc. 😀

[@AAhmad3449]

Im in college but Im looking at a 2015-18 Volvo S60 bcuz Volvo saved my life and I will always like them but which engine do you recommend? The 2.0 4 cyl the 3.0 t6 or 2.5 cyl t5

[@bigman7083]

I own a 2015 s60 t6 w/ the R design package which came with a slight engine and suspension tune from polestar, but I have driven both the base t6 and 2.0 and 2.5, and i have to say that the t6 is a massive leap from the 4 and 5 cyl in terms of refinement and of course performance. My opinion could be slightly biased, lol, but Like i said; I have driven all the Volvo engines and the base and tuned t6 is the best for these models. I'm glad to hear that volvo's legendary safety rep was proved in your case! Btw I just put an intake and catless downpipe on my car, and holy crap does it sound great, if you'd be interested in any sort of mods on the car.

[@Vanderhaul]

I have a 2015 v60 t6 r design with the 3.0 and it’s by far the best way to go. The 2.0 is just way under powered and the just to the 3.0 is slight with a massive performance jump. In my opinion the t6 Polestar is still way expensive but either way, you should most definitely get a 2015 or 2016 with the inline 6 cylinder. I have put over 30k miles on it in the last 2 years and never once had a single issue. Stay on top of maintenance and this car will treat you well.

[@donow8464]

Thanks for the video - as nice as the car looks the number of problems caused by design flaws would rule it out as a good buy imho. Also would be great if you mentioned the year and noted that the T6 is the 4 cylinder version...

[@angellopez735]

I have a quick question about the V60/S60. According to the manufacturer, the windshield has a protective film to block UV Rays but this affects the toll tag. I have positioned it where the manufacturer suggests, 1 inch next to the housing of the rearview mirror and 1 inch from the top, but still sometimes does not work. Do you experience this same issue?

[@AmericanMeow]

I have a 2016 S60 T5 Inscription Platinum 2.0L. Great content! I am looking for content that is DIY related - changing cabin filters/air filters, cleaning air system, etc

[@fredwiley3731]

That blower motor is going bad and will need replacement. Believe me, I know.

[@fcpeuro]

We'll let Adam know 😂

[@herbyderbys1629]

Just a quick gut reaction here but I'm sure blis is just the acronym for blind spot I dictator system. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not lol Anywhere I love the ride and this had inspired me to pull the trigger on one.

[@annalinchang4495]

Hi, FCP team.Have you ever record remove cowl grille of volvo s60 2016 video?

[@fredrikmagnusson5638]

you said the older version came with a 3.2 motor, that is incorrect. You are referring to the 2.3 T5.

[@DynamteKid316]

Earned a sub. +like! Love it!

[@fcpeuro]

Welcome aboard!

[@seanhershey3390]

I'll be getting one soon...I love my 06 XC70

[@fcpeuro]

Let us know when you pick one up, Sean!

[@IsitReallyrealreally]

Different car.

[@someseriousreconsideration5593]

The only think I dislike about my r design is the limiter at 130

[@joseduranjr4963]

I have a 2017 combo XC60 T-6 R design with the dual motor engine. I purchased it 4 months ago with 50,149 miles and currently have 67,777 miles. I’m noticing a clink, clink, clink sound as if it’s from the turbo. Does that sound correct? Is it safe to drive? I just returned from Jackson, Mississippi to my home in New Mexico. Thank you

[@jasper_north]

Whut happened?

[@potatopc1810]

i wouldve thought the 8speed that came in the p3 are borgwarner dual clutch transmissions?

[@AWMJoeyjoejoe]

Aisin 8 speed torque converter autos.

[@branimirmomcilov7575]

I would like to ask you for advice. I would buy a Volvo V60 and currently there are in the offer from 2018 D3 150hp with 145,000 miles and from 2016 D2 120hp with 95,000 miles. Can you recommend which one would be a better choice? Thank you!

[@swedishtuners6518]

I just had that code pop up, check coolant, does that mean my water pump is fucked

[@graysonalexander1071]

Are these cars safe compared to newer models? I guess they probably have a strong safety cage.....

[@fcpeuro]

Of course, the newer SPA chassis has made improvements, but the P3 chassis cars are indeed very safe!

[@SuperMrBentley]

My volvo s60 t4 2.0 L 190 hp 2016 has a high oil consumption... Around 1 liter every 4,000 km... Dealer says all is fine, no leaks, no emissions haha... Is this related to the piston rings?

[@NilsHedstrom]

Not sure how much it’s suposed to burn. I have a 2014 T4f 1.6 liter so slightly different engine but I don’t drive very much. But the piston rings only seems to be a known problem on the VEA 181HP D4 engines(2014-16 i think) so you should be fine!

[@rifathamoudi6165]

@FCP Euro, I love your content all the way from Kenya. I have the 2011 S60 T4, DrivE 1.6 Ltr Ecoboost Petrol engine. Black Fabric interior. Haven't really seen this particular model online. Would love some more insights on it. Currently at 100k miles after driving for two years ex-Japan. Would appreciate a reply on some questions. 1. When should I replace the timing belt and pulleys? 2. When should I change the gearbox Transmission fluid, also which one should I use, Motul DCTF or Aisin? 3. What else do I need to look out for with my specific model?

[@fcpeuro]

At 100k miles currently, we would recommend replacing your timing belt very soon. Transmission fluid should also be replaced at this time if it hasn't ever been. The Aisin fluid will be perfectly fine for that.

[@rifathamoudi6165]

@@fcpeuro thank you for your reply, much appreciated,🤝

[@social_lag]

Dang, the 336 mm only feel adequate? My 3.0L RD only came with 316 mm, am I cooked?

[@iibise.3827]

Every Volvo I’ve had the blower has squeaked when cold

[@axeljacobs9723]

It’s not beech wood or beach wood (drift wood), but it is sandal wood color leather. It is much more attractive than the beige or palomino (tan) leather that is so often seen in older Mercedes cars. Sandal wood Has a much richer hue!

[@G8Thunder]

Just bought nearly the same car, except mine is the T5 Premier. I'm already seeing oil consumption issues though and am really concerned it's the piston ring issue. I love the car though and don't want to turn it around already.

[@IsitReallyrealreally]

😣

[@Mirror1973]

I LOVE this V60

[@fcpeuro]

It's definitely a sharp-looking car!

[@israel426]

Thats my doubts Here a S60 T5 with a Ecoboost 2.0T its almost the same price as a C30 T5. I have the feeling the P1 its more reliable and cheaper to maintain. Whats your thoughts? Cheers from Brazil

[@fcpeuro]

We think the P1 and P3 will likely be equally reliable.

[@simanyemsebenzi8666]

Please review the S60 Polestar (4-cylinder)

[@SterlingSigurdsen]

It’s not beach wood it’s beech wood which is a type of tree.

[@fcpeuro]

We think Adam might have been telling a joke, but we're not entirely sure 😂

[@taurussho86]

I guess I'm might try and make some videos of my s60 P3 t6. Not much going on YT.

[@kafarske123]

Just so you know, if you know what you are dooing, you dont need to take the dash out to swap the fan. You do need the spesial tool to release the fan thoug. I know this, because i have done this many many times. Adrian Volvo master tech 😁

[@silvasmain]

Hey you might be the one to know I have a 15.5 s80 t6 AWD the steering sounds like it's clunking to all hell when at low speeds and wavy roads/bumpy iv seen a lot about the rack and pinion tensioner (I have the base power steering) going bad is this a easy ish repair I have completely new strut assemblys and inner/outer rods and sway links!

[@kafarske123]

@@silvasmain hi. I have honestly not repair the stering rack on these as we dont get Anny internat parts. But, the finner and out er rods are easy to swap. As are the sway bar links. And the entire hub/damper asembly as well. There are werry few bolts in total. The stering rack itself is also quite easy to swap, but it does require lowering the subframe, wich does require an alihnment tool to get back in its corect position. How ever, it is possible to mark it up, and have it be pretty much spot on. You wil obviously need a wheel alihnment after 😊

[@aknovaman]

you want to see a long term test? contact me about my 2008 v70 wagon. 262k miles. minor maint only.

[@dwade353]

Please share. Im looking into a 2010 3.2. Thank you!

[@ManInAFrogSuit]

Got a 2007 S60 2.5t and I wish I had the money for a P3 😭

[@fcpeuro]

P2 S60 2.5T is still a fantastic car!

[@ScrewyS]

2015.5 V60 T5 with the oil consumption issue.

[@IsitReallyrealreally]

😤

[@ScrewyS]

@@IsitReallyrealreally And it came back after getting it "fixed" at the dealer a couple months ago. Volvo is denying their lifetime warranty and labor clause for this issue.

[@res.l.8782]

That blower motor isn't bad with 2 people If one has long arms. You can get away with just taking out the glove box and speedometer/display.

[@res.l.8782]

Actually. There's a video idea for ya! You do need the blower motor tool. Can be done in an hour.

[@yazansakran3326]

I like his taste in cars

[@fcpeuro]

😎

[@참나무등]

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[@joseduranjr4963]

I recently purchased a P3 2017 VOLVO XC60 T6 r design. I accidentally left the map light on and now my power drivers seat doesn’t work and my glove box light doesn’t turn on. What do you think happened to my Volvo??

[@getlostinit3D]

Also I have the Premier Plus like the one in the video best interior ever. 19" wheels etc. One of my wheels has a small crack and leaks air. I have to fill it every few days.

[@fcpeuro]

Sorry to hear about the cracked wheel! Definitely a good idea to have it repaired/replaced, don't want the crack getting larger.

[@johndaw7764]

Beechwood not Beach wood.

[@fcpeuro]

ohhhh well doesnt that make sense now 😂

[@getlostinit3D]

I love my car but ... engine oil consumption issues... It has lost compression in cylinder 3. I can not afford to fix it and still owe money on it... I wish there was a video on how to change the piston rings...

[@thatsonebadhatharry8610]

How many miles are on your car? Does it smoke when running? Have you replaced the pcv box or cleaned it? How much of a difference in compression is there between the cylinders?

[@getlostinit3D]

@@thatsonebadhatharry8610 145k ive not noticed it smoking just running but at certain speeds when turbo kicks in it would. It currently runs rough in limp mode only. Cylinder 3 has zero compression the others vary slightly. Yes I did replace the pcv box once not many miles ago.

[@thatsonebadhatharry8610]

@@getlostinit3D Sounds like you need a rebuild or replacement. Zero compression is either a very bad set of rings, a broken piston, or burnt / broken valve. I wouldn't drive it until it gets fixed.

[@felixramos5808]

@@getlostinit3D 0 compression is very bad and it would do no good to change piston rings

[@getlostinit3D]

@@thatsonebadhatharry8610 Ya it can not be driven. I need a new engine but don't have the money. bummer I loved that car.

[@BalrogTheGrey]

Wait, american V60 T6 has only 240 hp?! 😮

[@rogere8489]

Have a V60. I will never buy a Volvo again. The quality and reliability is no long in the brand. Plus the 2nd highest depreciation rate in the industry. Huge disappointment.

[@zzoinks]

Maybe par for the course for luxury vehicles, but I can feel your disappointment

[@zzoinks]

But wow Lexus really holds value better. I really wonder which wizards control the valuation of used cars

[@AWMJoeyjoejoe]

​@@zzoinksLexus hold their value because they have an unmatched reputation for reliability.

[@davewallace9048]

Do you really believe that car is a good car? 10 years from now that car will not be supported by Volvo. Has the oil consumption coming along?

[@KClife9TV]

One thing I know is volvo suck. So expensive to repair. They charge you like it's a Lamborghini for Pete sake. The repairs are so expensive you could buy that car twice because of that. I hate these things so much. They are loud from road noise, wind, clunky, jerky, rattle in bumps so on.

[@aknovaman]

how many have you owner for more than a 6 months?

[@KClife9TV]

@@aknovaman ? Not sure I understand what your asking. My S80 I had since 2012. Then I had a XC70 for 3 years. All the same issues

[@sonofnothing]

It's BEECH wood! Smh

[@brianquattlander1159]

FIRST

[@tommhurst1997]

Washed up wood on the beach 🤣🤣 Christ

[@melthompson8928]

Tell me you have bad taste in cars without telling me you have bad taste in cars ?

[@HaulAzzForever]

"Want to drive?" "Uh... I'll let you drive" Re-watching this after discovering my oil consumption issue and reading between the lines, I'm realizing you guys are saying you don't like this car.

[@flyingbricks1602]

I love my P3 V60 but i could not bring myself to get the 4 cyl turbo I waited a while to find a 5cyl turbo