RV nightmare: $800,000 motorhome DISASTER | Tiffin

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$800,000 is a LOT of money for a motorhome. They sure did not expect THIS!
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[@wesbarcus3761]

Full buyback with a large interest payment. In short, get a lawyer and sue their asses off.

[@gracieg7601]

Someone who is dyslectic set up the motorhome. Backwards. This company should. It this coach back. He paid a million dollars for this hunk of junk.

[@gracieg7601]

No quality assurance dept. No inspections? If I was going to spend less than 100 thousand on a van it had better be perfect operating. If not it’s going back. The motorhomes or vans should be inspected and reinspected if you sell it to me. And a warranty that is a buy back for a year.

[@gracieg7601]

Tiffin should buy it back from them. Then keep it to use it for an example of the lousy mistakes They made.

[@gracieg7601]

This advertisement along is going to leave a black eye on tiffin motorhomes. If I were tiffin I’d be so embarrassed that it was built so badly.

[@sunsetatshabooms4558]

A million dollars for all those broken things? Disgusting

[@LizAmazing]

It's a crime! Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@Hundert1]

A crime and tragedy 😔

[@jeffbryan3224]

I don't think you understand. There's NO-CHARGE for the broken things. lol

[@mhughes1160]

A deer 🦌 in the headlights Yelp he got run over A million bucks A fool and his money 💸

[@Oingoboingo528]

What a sucker. Million bucks to throw away. Bet you had your home thoroughly inspected before you bought it.

[@dgriffin6074]

The RV industry does this because they can get away with it. What is needed is lemon Law legislation that applies to RVs and requires dealers to buy back defective RVs😢

[@LizAmazing]

Something's got to change! Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

They would all go bankrupt

[@Milesco]

​@@censoredeveryday3320Good! Let 'em go bankrupt and let a new batch of entrepreneurs come in and start the industry over from scratch!

[@mountainman5025]

The government can't even fix their own problems, let alone an rv manufacturer, unless they're conservative.

[@Hundert1]

@@LizAmazing keep up your excellent research and work. We need more people like you who truly care. Best regards 🌲🌳

[@stephenhunt2701]

A year warranty on a motorhome that costs a million dollars. That's mental!

[@JJ38255]

That should be a deal-breaker right there. It screams we don't have much faith in the longevity of our product

[@jmantruthseeker]

My commercial mower that costs around $7000.Comes with a 3 year warranty.And I abuse the living hell out of it period have had thousands of dollars of things replaced... Funny to think I have better warranty coverage On a commercial lawn mower.

[@akita96th]

Heheh they should have called Carshield hahaha.

[@Ed-lz4jv]

used twice in a year LOL

[@RoadieWingZZ]

Yeah that’s ridiculous. Every major automaker in existence offers a minimum of 3 years 36,000 miles bumper to bumper warranty asnd up to 10year/100000 miles on structural/power train. RV makers should be offering nothing less for the money charged for these high end models.

[@ericgore3717]

I'm a diesel technician who worked on many million dollar plus rv's when I was with freightliner. I can tell you they were all junk back then and they're much worse now. I've seen a huge drop in quality of all vehicles in the last few years especially.

[@Miguel_Angel718]

The first problem was.... Spending 800k on a motorhome

[@rickw3243]

Right! Who spends $800k on a motorhome?

[@a914freak]

I've been in the facility, I wouldn't pay 200k for a motorhome from there.

[@Mike-01234]

@@rickw3243 Someone who makes 2-3+ million a year in income. Lots of people who make that kind of money same kind of people who buy new airplanes cost 600-800k. Many retired when Covid hit they were sitting on big 401k's and pensions in their mid to later 60's kids are gone got more money then ever spend and life is short. Spending 800k isn't really a big deal one of the reasons inflation is so high people spending like crazy.

[@FogelsChannel]

If you have no interest in this product at this price point, why are you here? Do you opinion on expensive yachts too?

[@BPoweredLove]

You obviously don't know RVs, and that's cool. $800k gets you an AMAZING preowned Prevost conversion or Newell and none of these problems would be happening. Had you written "The first problem was... spending 800k on a Tiffin", then you would have made some sense.

[@MrBowmanmt]

I am a retired land developer and new home building contractor from Greenwich Connecticut. I want to thank you so much for putting this video out, I was ready to plop down close to a million dollars on a tiffin and because of their actions in this video I will not be buying their brand. Thanks again from Connecticut

[@Metal0sopher]

Always buy used. You will save 50% instantly in depreciation collapse. Most of the issues will have been already worked out. But the best part, by not paying full price you now have Half that budged for maintenance, yet maintenance will never cost as much as the depreciation drop.

[@twinsonic]

Stick to real estate dude..

[@gtfg3800]

Same. In the market and have been trying to narrow my choices down but I am stunned by what this man has had to go through. And as he said, these are major problems ! If I was Mr. Tiffin heads would roll, a whole new management team would be under interview & this man's experience would never happen again. Maybe Tiffin should sell ..

[@JefferyTruck]

Just make sure the company hasn't been absorbed by Thor industries, before you buy.

[@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits]

I was in Land Development for 15 years back in the 90s and into the early 2000s to include residential, county, city, and commercial. Had loads of fun before I became a Defense contractor. I and my family are from CT and MA all the way back to 1603. I miss New England terribly!!!

[@ZekeTheElder]

The biggest problem with RVs, which I've had a few, is that they are too small. You need at least room for a live-in mechanic.

[@jjohnson8977]

😂❤

[@a914freak]

😂😂😂

[@LewisTheFly888]

Ahhh. Love it.

[@motorheart9045]

And forget about mobile mechanics.

[@houseportraitscalligraphy7474]

Ha ha hence van life!!!

[@laz288]

The number one red flag is when the manufacturer argues with you. Total disrespect. So thankful for videos like this warning other buyers.

[@PeteLenz]

People need to stop buying these coaches. Period. $1M will buy a lot of luxury hotel nights

[@kathleen8294]

Totally agree. Or at the very least, do some research on the product you're buying for $1M.

[@backtoasimplelife]

People don't need to spend this kind of money on a motorhome in the first place. There was a better era from which to buy, and you'll save thousands. People just don't do their homework. That would tell you what you need to know.

[@LizAmazing]

You can actually spend $3 million on these. But no matter what it costs, the company NEEDs to stand by their product. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

[@macbook802]

​@LizAmazing you can actually spend 4 million on these

[@ronunderwood5771]

Will also buy a LOT of charter flights.

[@kevink9106]

I like a guy that stands up for himself because it’s good for all consumers. Everybody wins. The right thing to do and the smart thing is for the company to buy it back and quickly.

[@angelaklinger2951]

Thor purchased Tiffin 4 years ago. There is the answer.

[@LizAmazing]

Either that or the fact that Bob Tiffin is no longer running the company. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@backtoasimplelife]

Yes, THOR is a dirty word now.

[@wanderingrocky1858]

@@backtoasimplelifeThor has been a dirty word for years!

[@TedSulcer]

BUY IT BACK, FROM A MONACO OWNER

[@mzomy3992]

Very interesting! Our Tiffin is a 2011 - I would never buy a Covid RV from any company. We have had very very few problems with our Tiffin and it’s been 6 years since we purchased it. Just the normal wear and tear type things. My husband did notice there are no electrical schematics when our horn stopped working and he wanted to know which were the horn fuses and he called Tiffin for these. But everything else is good and no structural issues etc. I would advise buying an older model if buying an RV but as Liz says - have someone check it all over prior to buying.

[@rebeccayagerhall2914]

Liz, thank you. Unfortunately, I have lost faith in Tiffin. We cancelled ours today.

[@garnettsailor1605]

Apparently, and IMO, Thor has ruined another company. If the company is owned by Thor, run for the door!

[@LizAmazing]

I like it, that's a great slogan! Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

[@BigBisalreadytaken]

Thor and Forest River...

[@billleonard6662]

Couldn’t agree more. We have a Covid build palazzo and it is junk. I am so glad we bought an entry level diesel pusher cause I can at least afford to upgrade everything that Thor did wrong. That company is the worst and run for the hills is correct.

[@wildwwa]

Yea everything Thor touches turns to crap

[@Timbrock1000]

By 2026, Thor will make everything

[@drakecassidy2942]

A 1 year warranty for a $800,000 vehicle says "we don't think this thing will last long". I did some research on THOR Industries. It seems as if they buy companies like this and cut cost/quality to pocket more money for themselves and their shareholders.

[@brewcrew5854]

that business model prevails just about everywhere now a days and its almost liike whatever i do i do not throw out 25 year old dryers and washers and fridges and tools etc etc unless they literally rot out !

[@smokey_gator_239]

​@@brewcrew5854Cars too

[@Bville-E]

It ain't just the RV industry....it's everybody ... Deregulation is the cause

[@bsmith4u2]

Private Equity will eventually destroy this country.

[@mymobilebuddy4392]

@@bsmith4u2 TEMU is the next company destroying America.

[@train1962]

Refund their money and quit making Motorhomes.

[@LizAmazing]

Oh wow!!! Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

[@JoeMNPT]

Lol. Well there’s that

[@thebluetarp]

That's pretty much exactly what I said

[@cynthiahicks9287]

Ditto!!

[@Toadyru]

yep....that's my thinking

[@newsigmundfreud3023]

Let me say it again: THANKS TO YOU Ms. Liz,. *You are amazing for stepping up and fighting on the front lines,* bringing much-needed awareness to these issues. *You are a hero. Please keep it up!* You’re doing a huge service to the world, especially to those who work hard to afford a decent mobile home, and whoever puts up their hard earned blood & sweat only to be taken advantage of. *Your recent videos on this channel are* (WELL PUT TOGETHER and) *hitting the right sources of these problems and helping people save from being robbed of their life invested money.*

[@elzie1100]

Tiffin owes this couple a FULL refund! Every penny returned and they should even pay them at least $10,000 for pain and suffering.

[@gobigorange]

That will never happen, the Tiffins didn’t get rich giving refunds

[@genxx2724]

I agree. Full refund plus $10K for their trouble.

[@lindaarnold1790]

@@gobigorange

[@genxx2724]

@@KeithK410 I associate a bail out with someone else, usually the taxpayers, having to pay for your poor judgment. This is not a bail out. It is a company that sold a shoddy product reimbursing the buyer. The fact that the buyer could have bought something cheaper is irrelevant. The item they purchased was faulty.

[@elzie1100]

@@KeithK410 You are missing the point of this whole video. Tiffin needs to be exposed for the trash motor homes that they are building. Not only are these motor homes built terribly, but they are dangerous to drive. More and more videos are being made about this company and their shady practices. The only reason that someone might not get their refund is because Tiffin probably will not be around much longer.

[@ericligotke3542]

1 year limited warranty on a million dollar vehicle? No way

[@Mike-01234]

Most home builders only give 2 year warranty on a new house.

[@Mark.D.H.]

​@Mike-01234 10 years in the UK.

[@rh7163]

Ok, they'll eliminate the warranty and provide a free checkup with an oil change although the oil may have been used already.

[@danlaur7973]

This is unbelievable at this price point, who would buy ANY RV from ANY manufacturer today?

[@LizAmazing]

It sure is a scary time to be RV shopping, Dan. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@backtoasimplelife]

If you do the research, you won't buy anything that was el cheapo or built during or after Covid for one thing.

[@IthacaDon]

The only one I would buy is an Advanced RV out of Ohio.

[@davidb.5544]

Newell is also still.a family owned company that makes high quality class A but they run about twice as much as this one.

[@JudiToohey]

We had a small 2023 trailer that we enjoyed for one year. But it was way too small for us. We sold it and planned to buy something bigger, but now we’ve decided to get out of the RV life altogether. What a disappointment.

[@longrider50]

Finally resolved. Tiffin agreed to buy back the rv and make them whole for some other expenses. No excuse, this used to be a quality outfit.

[@marybaughman9681]

We bought a new Tiffin Phaeton in 2005 and I am still living in it after traveling through the entire United States. No problems! Change of ownership seems to be tarnishing the "Tiffin" name, too bad. I am now a 80 year old widow and I hope to continue to live in my rig for all the time I have left. I love it!

[@cncwizard]

I only hope someday to do the same. Killing myself with overtime, gonna need a break eventually. Bless you & enjoy your journey!

[@largemarge1603]

@mary, I turn 73yo in a few weeks. 2003, we built our ExpeditionVehicle. Over two decades full-time live-aboard. . We have every intention of keeping going. Zero interest in a stand-still house.

[@ayeoooo]

Liar

[@derandreas]

Great to hear the opposite side , too. Unfortunately these kind of name purchases happen often.

[@sdot5389]

Thanks for reminding me to stay off the road with an 80 year old roaming the highways behind the helm of one of these behemoths

[@edwardnelson3413]

At a million dollars this customer has the means to hit Tiffin was a major lawsuit, plus the media attention, Tiffin needs to buy back.

[@LizAmazing]

I agree, Edward. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@oldmanrock7542]

I agree. Be careful how you treat customers. They might become your new boss.

[@beverlyhendricks9456]

@@oldmanrock7542 it used to be one unhappy customer told eleven and so on. Now they tell thousands! Tiffen needs to buy it back. If he has to sue them he needs to sue for the personal stress not just to him but his wife too. Robin at creativity Rv hated her tiffen too. She’s actually had three she ditched. She has a fifth wheel she has parked. I’m not sure she can even move it anymore. She travels mostly in a mini airstream. She’s very open about each of the units she’s had and has.

[@sonictech1000]

Agreed. With lower end rRVs sometimes the legal fees are more than it's worth but with something like this there is money to feed a good lawyer.

[@daviddurkop1719]

The ability to sue depends on the specifics of the contract and the ability to finance the lawsuit. Poor quality is not only a problem in the RV business, but also new home construction. Poor craftmanship and the management just wanting to get the product completed and sold.

[@ladyd3187]

How to turn $1Million into $1000.00? Buy a luxury RV and drive it off the lot.

[@chicagonorthcoast]

That seems true.

[@abbiebeast]

Amen

[@Ready4smog]

Nice😅

[@johnh8705]

They could sell it for $200k.

[@breezecreationsllc9381]

Great job reporting. Glad to these people stepping up telling their stories.

[@capttom9886]

I bought a brand new 2019 Tiffin Phaeton 37BH in July 2019. It was going to be my retirement dream. I sold it as fast as I could. What a nightmare. I got out of the RV business. I had the same problem with the turn signals, and dash air. I also asked for wiring diagrams and system schematics. Not available. It took 2 years to get those items fixed by the dealer along with other issues. The dually rear wheels were not mounted correctly and I had a flat on a inner wheel going down the road and damn near had one on the other side. The air mattress in the master bedroom lasted a year then went flat. The dealer was worthless. The sales process was a joke. No parts, no experience and long lead times for service. I had an oil pressure problem in the engine going downhill in the mountains. I paid Freightliner almost $1500 2 weeks before to do an oil change service and the they overfilled the engine oil by almost 2 gallons which caused the oil pressure problem (blocked engine breather). On the first trip I slipped on the slick-when-wet bathroom tile and had to go to the ER to get patched up. That still is a hazard apparently. Never again. Stay away. The Hilton is a lot cheaper and much less hassle and stress. And safer.

[@bikeny]

There is a saying with regards to boat owners and their 2 greatest days: The day they buy the boat and the day the sell the boat. Having watched a bunch of Liz's videos I am coming to the conclusion that the saying might apply here as well.

[@jjohnson8977]

Yeah most people don't understand floor tile versus wall tile. Wouldn't a nice rubber mat help?

[@JohnnyinMN]

The couple should never be embarrassed. To be able to afford that is awesome and I certainly couldn’t afford it. I hope things work out for them. Your videos are real eye openers for new, potential RV’ers.

[@brianne1547]

yeah im out now buying one

[@thetube007]

Actually, they should feel embarrassed. How does a couple that has bought several millions of dollars worth of motorhomes not spend $1000-$1500 on a certified NRVIA inspection?

[@minimaxmiaandme.4971]

How do you know they can afford it? The RV industry will loan you as much as you want....

[@Atrayus1984]

@@thetube007 This! "more money than sense" comes to mind...

[@johnharris7191]

We are like the people gawking at a horrible car accident with these videos. I don't own an RV and never had any intention of ever buying one. I like this channel and it's a learning experience.

[@ddhard656]

My wife and used to have aspirations of owning an RV till we started watching these nightmares. We would rather car camp than purchase one if these rolling nightmares.

[@mzm4245]

@@ddhard656we purchased an older one for a fraction of the cost and renovated it. We love it!!

[@jscatt6123]

Same here , I got a 25 year old cab over camper on my truck and it’s good enough for me but I’m drawn to these videos lol

[@wildcoyote34]

@@mzm4245 I did this myself too , i bought a 1947 GMC PD3751 motorcoach that had been converted to an RV ,,it's 77 years old and doesn't leak and i can still get parts for it too

[@mzm4245]

@@wildcoyote34 I googled a pic of a 1947 GMC PD3751. How beautiful!

[@americathegreat1811]

I was looking at a Tiffin RV recently and almost decided to purchase until I started watching your videos. You have probably saved me a lot of money and frustration. Thankyou.

[@solaroc501]

They need to buy it back immediately and offer him some compensation for what he and his wife have gone thru. Glad to see you are being a consumer advocate. This is an important channel. Thank you.

[@thebluetarp]

Our current RV is paid off next year and we were looking forward to upgrading. But thanks to channels like this, we are having serious second thoughts. We will definitely be holding on to our current RV that has zero problems. It was built in 2014 by Keystone and it's been a dream RV for us

[@125AXer]

Definitely hang on to the Keystone. The urge to get a new replacement is strong for many people, but the risk is high right now. You might consider doing some interior refreshing or your RV with flooring, upholstery, window treatments, and other cosmetic upgrades, so it feels newer.

[@lmbcvt]

If you have an RV with no problems, you should hang on to it with an iron grip and be happy because you got a verry rare one

[@micheleyoungblood]

Keep it, remodel

[@richardterrell7539]

If you decide to "upgrade", you should seriously consider looking at older, high end brands! You may have to upgrade a few small Technology things if you just have to have them, but the quality of a 30 year old Airstream is still better than a new fiberglass trailer. We are shopping for a Class A to live in and retire in full time and I can assure you that we will be buying a 25-30 year old Prevost or Newell or Foretravel before we buy any of this newer junk.

[@125AXer]

@@richardterrell7539 Yessir! After a long search, I found a 1991 Foretravel in 2017. Still using it, love that coach!

[@jeffreycarter3066]

Wow! This is the best video you posted so far. This owner was phenomenal. BUY IT BACK, Tiffin!

[@LizAmazing]

He certainly is a great example of how to tell the story! I plan to refer future interviewees to this video. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@gregronan4592]

U wonder how they can afford a million dollar motor home ? RIPPING OFF THE POOR PEOPLE !!!!

[@frankw8481]

Thank you Liz Amazing for the great work you do. Sometimes I comment on other KZbin channels when they are selling new RVs. Other channels sometimes show new recreational vehicles, I sometimes comment about the high prices and also I recommend your channel, Liz Amazing and recommend that people learn and investigate before they invest. I never owned an rv, and I don't want one now after seeing your videos. But I do promote your program because I think you probably are a big help not only to victims of bad RV purchases, but maybe you will motivate the industry to do a overall better job building those things. Upvote.

[@eilselnnawilliams6157]

I was an RV salesperson back in the day. They do suffer a lot of issues being driven, like screws coming loose… etc. But there’s no way this couple should have to accept a piece of garbage with that kind of price tag! Tiffin should definitely buy it back, apologize profusely which would require humility, and learn from it!

[@jimmyrants4342]

Most RV manufacturers build around 60 RVs a day. Bob Tiffin used to build 6. They were quality. Since Thor bought out Tiffin, it seems like they ruined what Bob Tiffin worked so hard to build with his company. Thor is destroying the RV business. What a sad story. I hope the buyers get a refund.

[@semhoutx]

EXACTLY!! When Thor bought them out - it was OVER for Tiffin!!! Nothing but 100% REFUND!!!

[@davidbennett4748]

Bob tried to buy it back . Thor won’t sell it lol

[@JohnSeitz]

They had issues prior to Thor.

[@je862]

@fladave99 For sure, and that's the problem. Investors have become so greedy over the years, that most of them want the easy money, quality be damned.

[@newsigmundfreud3023]

How the Hay did get from a Liberty Coach Prevost - to a junk robbing Tiffin?!

[@EDWARDG0916pnut]

I was told years ago that the RV industry is an unregulated industry. There is no one making sure that these companies are putting these RV's together properly.

[@Halfstep2024]

It seems like quality was already on its way out the door then Covid slammed the door behind it for every manufacturer but airstream.

[@db-ob7ic]

I'm glad my class a from 1996 has real solid wood cabinets marble floor....none of this laminated press board...no def...no computers....under 100k on a Cummings....I'm totally happy with what I have...I looked at new equipment...and choose something built in the height of top quality....

[@patrickbarrett5650]

Hearing a man like this commenting from knowledge and experience is priceless. These are the people missing from the production line in the first place. Great information, well done.

[@cue881-yo7kz]

Disheartening when I think of how great this company once was. Back in the 80's and 90's they were the best and they stood behind their products. A lot has changed.

[@michelesteward5170]

I believe I remember hearing they were bought out by another brand a few years back, maybe THOR

[@cue881-yo7kz]

@@michelesteward5170 I think you're right. The suits have run the company . and the brand, into the ground. I feel bad for Bob.

[@dhvoith]

My wife and I were thinking about getting into RVing. After watching all these videos about RV nightmares no way are we going to take the plunge. Some of these manufacturers are a total joke.

[@JudiToohey]

@@dhvoith - Ditto. We had a fun LITTLE 2023 trailer as a starter, but we couldn’t really do long distance travel in it. We sold it and intended to buy a larger trailer, but now we’re pretty sure we don’t want to chance it.

[@dhvoith]

@@JudiToohey I get it. I consider myself a fixit guy but within reason. Water leaks, cracks, electrical and plumbing problems should never show up in a new vehicle. Those repairs should be handled by the manufacturer or the dealer.

[@travelwithtony5767]

I have travelled throughout the US, and have never been foolish enough to buy one, I only rent them. There have been several times where they have broken down and all of the costs were carried by them, and in more extreme cases they had to retrieve the RV and drop off a replacement, they have to pay for hotel rooms if needed and I have never paid a dime out of pocket, the most expensive one (similar to the Tiffin) cost $350 a day but after spending $20K for two months I gave it back and don’t have any of the costs associated with owning one, including storage, maintenance and insurance and depreciation, I have never dealt with the downside and have had some of the best travel experiences in my life while traveling the US in an RV. Renting is the only way to go.

[@stevek343]

Made in China 😮

[@rlmiller28]

There are high quality RVs out there. I bought a new Oliver in 2023, and after a year and a half I have had no issues. My experience is not uncommon. Every Oliver owner I know is extremely happy with the quality and service Oliver delivers. I love RVing and not having to worry about the issues that plague the big brands. Other reputable brands include Escape, Casita, Big Foot, Outdoors RV, Arctic Fox, and Leisure Travel Vans. Take a look at any one of these brands and enjoy all the freedom that owning a reputable, quality-built RV affords you.

[@ClassicAutomotiveGarageInc.]

Hello Liz, I came across your channel and I’m so glad I did. I have been looking into RV’s for a couple years. Thank you for doing this.. Stay safe out there. Amen

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Who would ever spend $800,000.00 on a RV? Beyond belief.

[@user-bh7dm8dr3m]

Its all about perspective. There are people out there that $800k isn't much for them. Then there are those of us that $880k is a lot of money.

[@BPoweredLove]

How did you end up on this channel? Genuinely curious.

[@rh7163]

You're asking who ? Recall the pet rocks ? I have a whole load waiting for a buyer as well as a bridge but you better hurry, I got them on sale with fire sale prices and the bridge is scheduled for demolition. No doubt, there will be inquiries about free shipping.

[@BPoweredLove]

@@jamsout5735 You clearly haven't been in Country Coach, Beaver, Monaco all made with hard wood out of Lane County, OR. No cardboard there, sir. You also obviously don't know of Newell or the Prevost converters. Also no "cardboard" there either.

[@chrisp2249]

They have the money. None of your business lol

[@dalehuber6281]

I've been doing research on motorhomes for sone time, and i agree with the slogan, "if it is made by Thor, run for the door"! Maybe a few buybacks will open some manufacturer's eyes!! Thank you for continuing to advocate for RV owners!

[@judycooper9103]

No discussion needed…do the right thing Tiffin and refund the money.

[@robertbrowniii5459]

We were actually looking at one of these but after seeing this not anymore. Thank you for doing this video. We decided to buy a new home.

[@chicagonorthcoast]

That's a far more sensible use of your money. The home will at least appreciate in keeping with inflation as long as the neighborhood is good, while the RV will lose half its value the minute you drive it off the lot even if it's not riddled with defects. The home will also offer 4X as much space at least that is cheaper to heat, cool, and maintain, and it's a lot more secure and comfortable.

[@ToddMcF2002]

This industry is in shambles. I have much smaller scale problems - just got my 2024 Jayco Whitehawk back from the dealer because my slide wall is detaching from the floor. Jayco denied the work the tech said it needed and basically said just put it all back together. I was going to trade it in but after checking out even higher end alternatives I've decided they are all pretty much trash too. Might as well just make independent repairs out of pocket since the warranty is really worthless. I wouldn't even trust the factory to make proper repairs anyway - given they designed the trash in the first place!

[@ToddMcF2002]

@@tooltime9260 short of legal action companies honor their warranties because they care about their reputation. Jayco and most in this industry know what their reputation is and act accordingly. I'd rather have it repaired correctly and the RV dealer is the LAST place that will do it right. So no, I did not "mess up"

[@RLPnKY]

$800,000 for a piece of crap is absolutely disgusting! Only a 100% buy-back would be acceptable. DO NOT BUY AMERICAN-MADE RVs! NEVER!!!!!

[@daytona3927]

Newell has a good reputation.

[@JefferyTruck]

Just make sure the company hasn't been absorbed by Thor industries, before you buy.

[@stevek343]

Who said they made in America?

[@chicagonorthcoast]

@@stevek343 They're mostly made in Elkhart, IN.

[@Redmenace96]

Where do I buy an RV which is NOT made in America? Am I out of touch? Never met anyone who had an RV NOT made in America? Is China making RVs and bringing them over??

[@oldbroad7672]

It appears Tiffin is more concerned about how their coaches look (glitzy) rather than how they work. I'd rather have a butt-ugly functional camper than a broken pretty one.

[@competitionkarting]

Eghhh, I donno. Tiffin has some really ugly coaches 😂 They are years behind in design.

[@largemarge1603]

@oldbroad, But nice decals...

[@sparkyobrian6417]

its Thors cost cutting to maintain profits, this is very common sadly, but as long as people keep buying this stuff there will always be sellers

[@johndong7524]

​@@competitionkartingwhich one has good design?

[@competitionkarting]

@johndong7524 the Zephyr is pretty modern. The others like Allegro are outdated, in my opinion.

[@edwinpizarro9027]

I want to thank you for this video , this is bout the 4th video i have came across with how bad the Rv life can get . From manufacture defects to brake downs on the road and things not going well , I was ready to pull the trigger , My family and i have decided to stay our asses Home , going to invest in some other Fun adventures . Thanks Again , RV world , Good Luck .

[@markshelhart8338]

High end in the RV industry means better finishes, it sure doesn't mean better quality.

[@LizAmazing]

Apparently not in this case, Mark. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@LizAmazing]

So sad. Thanks for being here, Griswald!

[@backtoasimplelife]

Nowadays that's going to be true for the mass produced RVs.

[@glennleslie6127]

Just like in Mercedes Benz cars, especially after 2020 or so. Wonderful cars when they work, terrible when they don't which is quite often. My 2022 SL63 had 8! recalls addressed at its last service...

[@cobeath1]

I don’t consider Tiffin to be a high end RV manufacturer

[@johnhawks5035]

What should Tiffin do? Hire a bunch of competent employees and inspectors, and fire a bunch of idiots.

[@steve2736]

With all due respect, try to find someone who can pass a drug screen and a background check that hasn’t had at least two prior felony charges. And possess any skill level beyond video gaming in their parent’s basement. Oh and wants to work for $15/hr. Who do you think cooks your carry out bag food?

[@velvetjones1856]

You can't inspect quality into something. It must be designed and built with quality in mind.

[@Markyymark662]

Yeah or get us a better president of this so called country! 😂 Lol

[@riverrelic]

This isn't an employee issue. This is a management issue. I guarantee you that if you put a competent management team in place they will create an environment where employees are proud to work there and bring their best every day. Building that kind of culture isn't sexy. Going on "business trips" and swinging deals - that's sexy. Why bother actually building a competent workforce with the right tools and processes? That's not fun. And that's what you get. These clowns will be out of business in a year or two and then blame it on everything but themselves.

[@Ron4885]

​@steve2736 I agree with you. Infact there's a whole lot more that 'could' be said, , , but it doesn't tow the WOKE business model so I better not.

[@MayfairDonny]

Liz, you NEED to go to the biggest RV show in the country next month in Hershey PA. If you can setup a booth to inform people, do it. Once the industry sees the difference that you are making and the number of people that you are influencing, they'll have to make serious changes. Do it Liz ... Go to Hershey!

[@randyneilson7465]

They won't let within a mile of that place. Why would they?

[@harriettanthony7352]

@@randyneilson7465 Your correct, the RV industry reps would call for a SWAT team to get her out. A BOOTH! never in forever! The industry wants Liz in a coffin. They are likely emailing Boeing for advice.

[@williambrennan5701]

will never happen EVEN if you got in they would just call them liars and they would have fake paperwork to back it up. NOW what does work is pulling a permit and sitting outside the dealership on the weekends with signs and the rv. I did this with a defective jetski. parked off to the side of their entrance off the main road. FIRST they called the cops, i showed my permit, i was not blocking traffic or the sidewalk and i was on the county's right of way (x number off feet on the side of the road) cops went in told the guy, owner followed the cops out and offered to fix it AND paid me back the 75 for the permit.

[@alroc2]

Liz, what a great service you provide!! You are awesome!!

[@jfredmuggs56]

It makes my 1974 33' Airstream look MARVELOUS! SIMPLY MARVELOUS!

[@56radioboy]

Or my 1996 Winnebago Vectra.

[@rhipotter6191]

Yep when things were made right they are still worth bank and highly sought after re furbished 🤔 makes u think ...

[@johnnygonzales3211]

In February I got me a 1996 Holiday Rambler Endeavor LE 36' with 23000K miles 141 hours on the generator just needs a paint job and it's mine I couldn't afford a one million dollar motor home ever in my life but I'm very happy.

[@johnjohnmcclane1818]

23 million miles? Damn...

[@kevinkelly6189]

Be careful, I had a 99 HR Endeavour and it had the cracked supports for the coach. There was a recall, I was on the list to have it done, but then HR went bankrupt and Navistar bought them but didn't honor the recalls. I ended up stuck with a defective coach. Lots of roof leaks, sunken floors, binding slide out, and busted plumbing. RVs are built like crappy sheds, even the good ones.

[@johnnygonzales3211]

@kevinkelly6189 Thanks my friend but mine ok just needs a paint job.

[@mmacmobile]

@@johnjohnmcclane1818 Was just getting ready to say that! LOL

[@t34bravo]

What a godsend Liz is to these folks who are finding themselves up against these big corporations alone. When I stumbled upon her channel last year, I was probably a month or two away from dropping about $200k on an RV. I'm literally thankful every day that I waved off. The RV industry is in shambles and there are PLENTY of folks out there who will gladly rent out their RV or camper for your trips. Keep fighting the good fight, Liz!

[@lepowell9095]

Tiffen needs to buy the vehicle back! i’m so happy you put this out because my wife and i were considering purchasing a new Zephyr… Not now this is a sad story. Thanks again Liz

[@garybeahm6990]

I owned a Tiffen( 40’ bus) for many years. Lived in it for 1 year. Back in the day, I paid $180k. I calculated when I sold it, we could have flown 1st class on every trip and stayed at $1500/night hotels for the money I put in coach. My advice is to never one of these new but buy it used. They depreciate just like a car only worse. I realized 80K when I sold it a few years later.

[@FBfogo]

Great seeing the numbers and had you stayed at the hotel you wouldn’t have to dump the sewage.

[@chicagonorthcoast]

Agree, and at a hotel I have a solid door with a strong bolt on it and room service.

[@Ziegfried82]

Yeah the depreciation on these things is insane. And it's way more comfortable to stay in a luxury hotel at the price point this guy is operating at.

[@chicagonorthcoast]

@@Ziegfried82 It's way more comfortable and much cheaper to stay in a nice hotel than it is to own any motorhome. Even renting one for a few days costs as much a nice, comfortable hotel room with a stout bolt on the door. Motorhomes look far too easy to break into.

[@patriciagolding7092]

I bought a Vanleigh 5th wheel in 2018. It also had the blinker wire reversed. They were absolutely wonderful about fixing stuff but the broken stuff was never ending. Finally, when the front cap separated from the ‘house’ where I could stand outside and see inside my bedroom through the separation, i had it repaired and sold it. I have PTSD from that unit and would love to buy another RV but I am too scared.

[@backtoasimplelife]

Oh no! I am sorry to hear this. At one time Tiffin had a stellar reputation for quality. I wonder if THOR had taken over by then.

[@patriciagolding7092]

@@backtoasimplelife that is was before Thor and even before Tiffin took them over

[@tombrennan6312]

@@backtoasimplelife Their reputation was based not so much for quality but their willingness to fix their screwups.

[@edwardwolsieffer6125]

In total agreement. If THOR is in any way connected with a model of RV, stay the heck away from it. It’s all the fancy looking glitter that attracts unsuspecting customers. THIR should be ban from doing business!

[@backtoasimplelife]

@@tombrennan6312 that matters a lot too.

[@lizajane1878]

Who the HELL pays $1M on a camper!!! 🙄

[@rorosnusnu2035]

People with money

[@adamgc73]

Someone with a million to waste 😂

[@PsychobabbleRapp]

People that buy million dollar homes,

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

Successful people? Just thought.

[@lizajane1878]

@@buckodonnghaile4309 I think you meant STUPID people just a thought

[@stevebanner1119]

Was a rv tech. For over 40 years and in this time i saw hazards in todays rvs that are scary , after working on them for so long i would never waste my hard earned money on any rv will stay in a hotel

[@timr31908]

Almost a million dollars for a tree fort on a bus frame with a diesel engine...😮

[@largemarge1603]

@tim, A bus has a frame. A BillionBuxBus conversion is a trampoline. . To verify the difference, look under a school-bus. They are engineered to protect riders. A RecreateVehicle is engineered to protect committees of accountants.

[@davidwelty9763]

I would also be embarrassed to spend almost 1Million on any depreciating asset regardless of build quality. You can buy a lot of house for 800k.

[@harriettanthony7352]

OR buy the most expensive luxury car of your propulsion method of choice and stay at the Hilton on a road trip.

[@dbloyd2]

I would invest 800k. Drive a cheap 200k miles odometer car, rent, and stay in motel 6 on vacation. Then hang out with Beautiful women at the beach all weekend.

[@user-bh7dm8dr3m]

Its all about perspective. There are people out there that $800k isn't much for them. Then there are those of us that $880k is a lot of money.

[@dbloyd2]

@@user-bh7dm8dr3m He should just buy a new one but from a better vendor for $1,300K and sell the old one at a loss. Get some after market high quality mattress (ad), fill up the refrigerator with some steaks and lobster and go on vacation somewhere nice.

[@Brian_Patrick]

That's because you don't have a million to spend on a depreciating asset.

[@FredFlintstone21]

Million dollar home on wheels all cracked up and leaking. Work hard your whole life, buy your dream RV, and it turns into nightmare RV. Sad. Thank you for sharing tiffin RV problems!

[@LizAmazing]

Indeed, Fred! Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@tdgdbs1]

Buy a proper bus and have someone local convert it for you. I have a Prevost shell bought used, the conversion done by a local carpenter, I've done all the electrical and plumbing. Total cost $160K and built solid.

[@largemarge1603]

​@@tdgdbs1 We are frequent contributors on vanLiving and other home-built forums. After owning any level of factory RecreateVehicle, everybody always builds their next rig. . Nobody says: * "Our 2024 factory RecreateVehicle is junk, but the factory will have all the bugs worked-out for our new rig in 2025!"

[@robf2403]

Interesting video. We're a family of 6 and looking for a coach. I'm highly mechanically inclined, have been a diesel tech, a marine electrical tech, and have worked through all the processes of building multimillion dollar sportfishes. So while I can fix any problem that arises, when shelling out that much cash, I'd expect nothing but perfection. I get things will break along the way and in a very short period of time, I've been around boats my entire life. The sheer amount of problems with this coach and especially Tiffin's "solutions" helps us write them off entirely for consideration. Very well done video!

[@321CatboxWA]

Rv's are not assembled in a manner lending to major repairs. RV's are assembled in such a manner that deconstruction damages the materials surrounding the point of repair . Everything is built on top of everything else, mostly out of pine, pressboard,styrofoam, and laminate. Good times!

[@MarshallHavard]

We purchased a Tiffin too a few years go. After 5 trips for repairs we went on a two week trip . Sold it for a loss on the way home because it developed even more problems. Tiffins response was bring it back and buy another one for more $ . Nope. Bought an airstream instead

[@GENECARP]

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but Liz Amazing is the most important station on YT today..

[@LizAmazing]

Aww, thanks so much, Gene. Feel free to share this video!

[@N.I.L.84]

She does have a very good channel. That statement is just rediculous however.

[@GENECARP]

@@N.I.L.84 A man in my position won’t be made to look ridiculous…

[@largemarge1603]

​@@GENECARP 'a man in my position'? We prefer: * "I shan't be mocked!" Significantly more pretentious...

[@re-fy8dr]

Glad I saw this. I’ve been saving for a long time. Tiffin was at the top of my list. I won’t be buying a motorhome from them. I knew they would go down as soon as Thor bought them.

[@velodctr]

All these companies have money making strategies but no quality improving strategies. I will never purchase a Tiffin after they came after you earlier this year. They, the RV industry, needs to wake up or they will be forced out of business by their own greed and lack of responsibility. Thank you for all you do, Liz. I believe you are doing a great job.

[@randyneilson7465]

We just sold our 5th wheel and its one of the best days ever. The dream of being free on the open road was overshadowed by the constant feeling of "whats gonna happen next?" I cant imagine being one of the unfortunate folks who put all their retirement plans into one of these poorly built, lipstick on a pig cracker boxes. The only thing worse than the quality of the coach was the arrogance of the dealership after I bought the trailer. I'm just glad it's over.

[@bseidem5112]

Don't buy cheap or buy a three yr old hi quality unit.

[@oldcynic6964]

Like buying a boat. The only days you enjoy are the day you bought it and the day you got rid of it.

[@sdot5389]

@@oldcynic6964Do you know what’s cheaper than owning a boat? Throwing your money directly into the ocean.

[@abtechgroup]

Never hand over the check until you have done a total per-delivery check of everything - it will take you hours, but the hours are worth the $$$

[@JohnnyOTheKingofFreestyle]

If the structural damage, the cracks in the structure is unrepairable that alone is enough to buy back the bus but this is a compounding issue of many separate issues that haven’t been addressed and that slip through the cracks. Kind of embarrassing but if it’s only a small percentage of a large percentage of sales, it happens, it happens we just have to buy back the bus use it for parts and move on.

[@roadboat9216]

I am currently driving a 25 yr old Dutch Star DP. Still working great! I”M afraid that good old corporate greed raises its ugly head yet again. Welcome to America.

[@JT-1969]

Hi Liz, unfortunately the poor craftsmanship is throughout the entire RV industry, from $3,500 pop ups to multi million dollar coaches, it’s absolutely sickening. My wife and I own a 2004 TrailBay 27DS, had it since new. We’d love to upgrade to a new fifth wheel, however, with as poorly as RV are being manufactured, we don’t want to take a chance and get screwed! There needs to be more regulation on RV manufactures, something to hold them accountable for quality issues and to protect the buyer.

[@kenmetsala39]

PLEASE stay away from anything made by Heartland ! They killed us with the 3610 RV 5th Wheel 2012 Edition. Every possible Option to start of our retirement, Turned out to be a nightmare from week 2 ! Lost our shirts !

[@kathykeene2092]

Most, but not all. Go thru Liz’s episodes and you’ll see who has a good name.

[@JT-1969]

@@kathykeene2092 Doesn’t matter who has a good name. Currently ALL RV manufactures, including high end multi million dollar coaches are being built under quality. Start reading RV forms, you’ll find out just how bad people are having with RV’s built since 2020, it’s sickening. God Bless you, I pray the unit you have or are thinking of buying will be of good quality. 🇺🇸

[@rlmiller28]

@@JT-1969 There are reputable RV manufactures. Liz featured Oliver on this channel as an example. I bought my Oliver new in January 2023. I've had no issues with it whatsoever. My experience is typical of every Oliver owner I've met. Other reputable brands include Bigfoot, Escape, Casita, Outdoors, Arctic Fax, and Leisure. These are smaller, privately-owned companies that do take pride in their products and deliver exceptional customer service.

[@louisstennes3]

They are no longer in business but in a previous job I had the honor of getting a guided tour through the Blue Bird company in Ft Valley, GA that made Wanderlodge Coaches, from the jigs used to make the frame, to upholstery shop, custom cabinet makers, etc., etc. Each coach had the name of the future owners and they could come to the factory at anytime to see the progress, make changes, meet the craftsman, etc. Upon completion they had their own campground to teach folks and made sure everything ran right. I met one of their techs and he was one of the mechanics that went on the road when a coach broke down and got it repaired and back running. His recent trip was to Yellowstone Park. In closing if I had the money and wanted a motorcoach I would scour the country for a Wanderlodge and restore it to an original condition. They truly were and still are palaces on wheels! If anybody reads this and owns a Wanderlodge I want them to tell me if I am stretching the truth.

[@louisstennes3]

By the way they are no longer in business because the original owners, The Luce Family, sold the business to Volvo and then it was sold to an English firm and now it is owned by another company. They decided to concentrate on just making Bluebird gas, diesel and EV school buses. The company from England almost ran the company into the ground. Another owner was the financial firm of Morgan Stanly, they literally bled the company dry before dumping them.

[@TheBlazeboy69]

Wow, I am shocked, but not surprised VC ripped the guts out of the company. I was a teenager in the early 80's and my dad bought two brand new Wanderlodges. We went to the factory often getting g tours and then hanging out in the factory campground. Last time we were there in probly 1982.. a blk coach pulled in next to us at the campground. We are sitting g out side and tge blk coach door opened...it was Johnny F'in Cash😮..he was getting his personal WL getting upgraded. He hung out with us about an hour..wild times...

[@louisstennes3]

@@TheBlazeboy69 What an adventure. I had to drive past the factory a lot and noticed a lot of the coaches parked for delivery awaiting p/u by their owners had custom trailers attached in the same paint scheme as the coach. They were beautiful. I was told one time that some of them were custom coaches and shipped to the oil rich Middle East. What wonderful memories for you and your family.

[@DE-vs1xs]

Sue to get your money back

[@chicagonorthcoast]

@@louisstennes3 That's all Morgan Stanley is good for- equity-stripping businesses they acquire and destroying them to line the pockets of MS shareholderes.

[@debl9957]

Another good video; I hope Tiffin rectifies the problems!

[@jensbiederstaedt8022]

I am living in Canada and are originally from Germany. I used to work on vehicles a lot in my life. Generally spoken, these big campers are banged together extremely rough and cheap.

[@Redmenace96]

In some documentary, I saw an assembly line for these. I have worked in home building/construction. The materials and techniques were very cheap and light- because it is mobile/RV. It looks like a home on the outside, but the systems and structural integrity are far, far below any home standard. Even for 800k, you are right. It is, "banged together".

[@celesteengstrom8326]

Tiffin needs to buy that piece of crap back and apologize to those customers.

[@rickl9253]

We had been talking about upgrading from our 25 ft Forest River motor home to something a little larger. After this series, Liz, we're abandoning all plans for any other RV, and we're getting ours in shape to sell. Thanks for this series.

[@LizAmazing]

You are so welcome, Rick. I am sorry to hear the change of plans though. Not all RVs are bad though, just the mass produced ones for the most part.

[@Michael-vi1kn]

Got to get a good inspection there are great coaches out there.

[@backtoasimplelife]

Forest River is not synonymous with high quality. Find an older coach that was top quality in its day, and get an inspection or learn to inspect it yourself with a fine tooth comb. Lots of problems can be avoided. Don't assume ALL RVs are bad, and don't buy anything el cheapo or made during during or post Covid.

[@rickl9253]

@@backtoasimplelife Thanks. We bought the Forest River in 2017 with 4,000 miles on it. It's a 2014. Long story short, it has been nothing but trouble since we got it.

[@cobracommander9138]

In most states the lemon law doesn't apply to RV's even when the problem is mechanical. As RV's have gotten more popular we need legislative changes.

[@cristhomson9043]

I bought a used 27’ Wilderness three years ago for $8,000 and haven’t had one issue, plus I live in it. I’d be visiting Mr Tiff.

[@stanmarcusgtv]

$800,000 is nutz for a THOR thing

[@LizAmazing]

Whew, so unbelievable. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update, Stan.

[@rocrater100]

Ahh...Thor owns Tiffin. When did that happen?

[@stanmarcusgtv]

@@rocrater100 Tiffin Motorhomes Joins the THOR Industries Family Tiffin Motorhomes December 2, 2020

[@chicagonorthcoast]

@@rocrater100 In 2020.

[@KarenK1025]

These RV companies need to be held accountable!

[@largemarge1603]

@Karen RecreateVehicle manufacturers own congress-critters and bureaucrats and judges. Perhaps you noticed... congress-critters and bureaucrats and judges don't work for you.

[@peterjoseph8913]

So very happy to have come across this video. I just retired and in a month was heading south, specifically to purchase one. Needless to say my plans are different now.

[@volksfolks62]

We have a pre pandemic class c .The insurance is paid annually ,this year it went up over 150.00 .We called and asked why and our agent explained that another insurance provider has dropped RV insurance ,I believe he said allstate ,due to all the complaints and issues recently .So basically our RV has zero issues ,but yet I'm being punished for the horrible manufacturing since the pandemic .

[@JudiToohey]

@@volksfolks62 - Wow. I never even considered the domino effect like this. Watch insurance companies now start to limit what they’ll cover (in fine print, of course).

[@coloradod3649]

My first clue on this is when the buyer said “we were in a hurry”. That’s how you make a bad purchase and/or decision. People buying a $400,00 house have an inspection and you make sure everything is working before you take possession. The fact that this coach had so many problems that they didn’t know about before driving away was their fault as much as the seller.

[@Bville-E]

Exactly 💯%

[@2skyp]

Tiffin should be ashamed. They should buy back this motorhome. Another Amazing video, Liz!

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. I'm so stunned over this. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@ExMachina70]

Good job on calling these scoundrels out.

[@stanmarcusgtv]

the thing is an inspection of a brand new coach would not have revealed the de-lamination, stress crack or leaks once the mold is in the walls/ceiling the coach is junk

[@LizAmazing]

Yep. It would have found the blinker, AC, and hot water issue though. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@stanmarcusgtv]

​@@LizAmazing not criticizing you it does seem that it would be better to get a used unit and have it inspected like you say because some of these issues simply cannot be found out before the unit is in actual use - something that can't be done w/ a brand new unit

[@backtoasimplelife]

We don't know when the leaking started, but sometimes it is immediate. And like Liz said there were definitely issues that would have failed an inspection and perhaps those alone would have deterred the buyers. Also, I wonder if the buyers did any research beforehand. Angry buyers want to talk. The gentleman did say he wished they had done a factory tour first, but I bet they would have found negative info online on FB groups and RV forums.

[@63GBPackerfan]

@@stanmarcusgtvA qualified inspector would’ve definitely found the delamination.

[@kmbbmj5857]

@@backtoasimplelife I think in a lot of cases, it's hard to know what is real and what isn't when doing research. Sometimes it's hard to believe they would mess things up that bad. Wouldn't have believed how bad they could mess up the wiring until we bought our current boat. Our previous boats never had problems like that. It's like COVID was the big excuse for these manufacturers to just toss out crap.

[@connienovak1011]

Tiffin USED to be THE motorhome to have. Then the family sold it. Now its crap.

[@LizAmazing]

Yep. So sad. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

[@celestepalm6949]

Guess there's only Newmar left for reasonably dependable luxury coaches. Too rich for my blood but I'd get an inspection no matter what the coach costs or who makes it.

[@andymcconnell6019]

@@celestepalm6949 My parents own a 2019 Newmar, it’s a piece of junk also.

[@jessewhite2593]

Newells, if you got the $

[@chicagonorthcoast]

@@celestepalm6949 Newmar and the Prevost rebuilders like Marathon and Liberty. I would not buy a motorcoach unless I could afford at least a 5 to 10-year-old Marathon or Liberty, which cost about $800,000 these days. They are the finest motorcoaches in the world as they are rebuilt Prevost highway buses, built to run a million miles, and known for 50 years for their exceptional quality.

[@jeanpowell981]

I totally agree with the owner of this Tiffin. I would expect near if not 100% perfection at this price point. This needs to be bought back immediately.

[@Ronin12530]

Obviously Tiffin has a major Quality Control issues! Lack of a safety checks before it leaves the facility. Pitiful at best!

[@jeanpowell981]

@@Ronin12530 they have fallen in line with the rest of the once great manufacturers. I never would have guessed this would have happened to Tiffin.

[@rodneyjohnston6280]

Thank you for letting us know I will share this video with all of our Guess An all of our RV parks.

[@maxthelab8457]

What a total take on - how can a can on wheels be worth $1M! That couple can't have any conception of what $1M IS!

[@ldoiron18]

This use to be our dream to buy a motor, no more, they all seem to have issues.

[@LizAmazing]

Indeed! Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

[@backtoasimplelife]

Please do your research. These stories contain common threads if you will just pay attention.

[@petitchenil]

They do. If it aint breaking you aint RV'ing! Sure hoteling it is more cost effective. However, there are something that a motorhome can bring you that is priceless and you just have to pencil it out. For us we do dog shows and being on the show grounds, having a toilet when traveling and bring the dogs with us when not at dog shows is worth the expense of ownership. Go for one 8 years old, get an inspection and pay cash.

[@r.j.2571]

Tiffin needs to buy it back, period. That's unacceptable. I'm also dealing with issues with our coach due to permanent damage caused by inexperienced technicians at Campers Inn. Our dealer should take responsibility and buy our coach back, it's ridiculous.

[@LizAmazing]

Unacceptable. I agree 100%!!! So sorry you are going through issues as well. Send me an email if there's anything I can do to help.

[@CuriousGeorge1111]

Visiting the factory before buying seems like due diligence. This couple sure would have benefited by that.

[@kevinorr6880]

Needs to be a class action in the whole effing industry!! Unacceptable failures regularly! No one is surprised by massive failures!

[@drn13355]

Not going to work. The RV industry knows what they are doing. They have boatloads of lawyers and they have run the numbers. They make more money building junk and hardly fixing it than building quality to begin with. If they made more money making quality they would do that. People keep signing contracts.

[@LizAmazing]

Would take years and you'd have to find hundreds of people with the same rig and same problem. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@keithallsop]

Absolutely not. This is a recent headline "Subaru Settles Fuel Pump Class Action, Lawyers Get $15.5 Million vs. $81,250 for Owners". That's not per owner, that's shared by all owners. Class action is bad for owners.

[@jjohnson8977]

I worked in manufacturing my whole career. We made complex electronics. Failures happened all the time. These RVs because of size complexity training, employee, documenting. They will never be built correctly. If you buy one know it will fail on multiple levels and.points. first test I would do is get five water hoses and pour water on the roof for about an hour. LEAK TEST

[@LSACamaro]

They need to lemon law that Motorhome's!!! They 0:15 paid 4 times what I payed for my home!! Ridiculous

[@catnvol]

Lemon laws don't apply to motorhomes, just cars used for non-commercial purposes.

[@sashamoore9691]

Nope. The products and materials are sourced from several different manufacturers which makes a full warranty on the vehicle impossible

[@catnvol]

@@sashamoore9691 Either a full warranty or a limited warranty can be offered by the manufacturer. When you buy a car, the parts and assemblies are sourced by the manufacturer from a lot of different companies but it is the car manufacturer that offers the warranty to the end user. The car manufacturer will have agreements in place with their various suppliers regarding any warranties provided from the supplier to them but that has no bearing on the warranty the car manufacturer offers you. For legal reasons, you rarely get a "full warranty" on any product, what you get is a "limited warranty". There is not enough space here to go into the differences. I am not shooting from the hip, I handled warranty operations for a major international manufacturer and my territory included the United States.

[@gilmac111]

No , no, What they need is a new set of Brains..