Lizardmen Roster Analysis and Discussion!

[@georgehancock652]

Honestly, it was exactly what I expected, minus horned ones (didn't see that coming at all). Lizardmen and Skaven DLC with a clan pestilence and prophet of Sotek theme will likely come out later, with the following for lizardmen. Prophet of Sotek, Salamander and maybe razordon, Blessing of Sotek Skinks, Ark of Sotek, Bastilodon, Snake jungle swarms and Ripperdactyls, possibly a Troglodon.

[@CBRN-115]

George Hancock I didn't even know there were such things as horned ones at all

[@cyclonenipple8176]

George Hancock what is with people wanting jungle swarms? They didn't add bat swarms, I am fine with them not being in the game.

[@undertakernumberone1]

From CA, on the forum, in regards of the ferals CA_Ato 7:13PM The feral beasts were a no-brainer from a cost standpoint and do add a lot tactically and to progression. They are also super cute, slamming Elves left and right with their little wiggly tails. We fought hard to get this much into this roster. Keeping units back for DLC is not how we go at this. It's a very tough negotiation between everyone involved (design, art, marketing etc.), then we shuffle stuff around a lot until the work and the deadlines match the people we've got. Then we add a bit more stuff, 'cause we love a challenge and everyone is like "you can't leave that guy out, he's everyone's favourite". If we were to ever run out of cool content for DLC, we’d invent units or go way back to old armybooks and rare references. There will always be more Warhammer than we can possibly do! Kind regards, Ato

[@giannipinotto4193]

undertakernumberone1 really ?

[@giannipinotto4193]

undertakernumberone1 nice. ... but if they have add something like the horned ones. ... there is a chance for things like dread saurians and thunder lizards ? or chaos mammoths ?

[@giannipinotto4193]

also : *loremaster of sotek notice the portal link with the CA old ones . what can happen ?* *_maybe questions ?_*

[@ReachStudioPro]

First of. I think it's a fantastic idea. I have no complaints. Secondly - +Gianni Pinotto Even though I would LOVE to see Dread Saurian in the game, I highly doubt we will ever get them as a unit you can recruit several of. The only way I can see a Dread Saurian in the game is from a Regiment of Renown DLC that lets you recruit ONE SINGLE Dread Saurian and no more. I'm basing my assumption on the giant size of a Dread Saurian and the potential carnage a single one can cause. And of course since it doesn't have a TT model made by Games Workshop themselves.

[@richardround2071]

If the revivification crystal held some of the liquid from a spawning pool and lizardmen were spawned, like a fountain, one at a time would this be lore friendly?

[@fanofwar40k]

I hope that the Engine of the Gods will be a free-lc unit just like the Blood Knights in case it doesn't make it during release. Speaking of free-lc units, I hope there will be more of them than in the first game.

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

There will be a lot of free DLC stuff for sure, the Old world's Free-DLC wasn't that bad to be honest. I just can't wait until we'll see some amazing unite models/animations/textures ... Hopefully they'll add heroes later on.

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

Would love to see bannermen/unite upgrades that is shown rather than just given a ranking marker.

[@Newt0rz]

fanofwar40k I agree, I have a feeling we'll get Kroak as a FLC Lord as well.

[@mcstripey735]

fanofwar40k I want the skink oracle so it can get the trodlodon, I think I spelled that wrong, as a mount

[@DruidsTears]

So, Horned One's are maybe comparable to Squig Hoppers\Squig Herd?

[@DahvPlays]

Rampaging, out of control units were done in Rome 2 and Attila so I'm not surprised to see them implemented in Warhammer. I imagine it will work exactly like how rampaging elephants and berserkers do in those previous Total War titles.

[@ReachStudioPro]

+DahvPlays I found it hilarious when he said that people who aren't familiar with Warhammer Fantasy Lizardmen will have problems with that mechanic. The ones who will have a tough time with it IS the players who has Total War: Warhammer as their first Total War game, as every Total War player is not only familiar with the mechanic but also actually used to it and know how to work with it.

[@richardround2071]

Did anyone else notice Grace had to check that guy from talking about the skinks being aquatic mechanic? I wonder how that will work.

[@richardround2071]

Squigs should have the feral mechanic too I think

[@unnamedshadow1866]

Remember there is the Skink Oracle. They ride the Troglodon. So CA might turn the Skink Oracle into a Skink Lord. And it makes sense. If the Prophet of Sotek is the planned DLC for the Lizardmen, a prophet will need oracles to assist him in fulfilling the prophecy of Sotek.

[@mcstripey735]

Unnamed Shadow I really want the skink oracle and I'm glad you remembered them too

[@DaThingOnTheDoorstep]

More I hear about how the Lizardmen have this mechanic and that mechanic, the more I fear just how the first game's factions, the DLC ones especially, will fit into game two. Will they play as they are now, or will CA rework them so they fit better with this new vision of how the game works?

[@Newt0rz]

DaThingOnTheDoorstep They said they would but ultimately it remains to be seen.

[@richardround2071]

I was really happy with the roster as I was expecting the ark of sotek , trolodon, ripperdactyles, not to be in the game. Slightly surprised we didn't get one of the hunting packs with another available for DLC.

[@TimeOfSin]

If they remove the Horned Ones as mounts for the Saurus, I doubt they would add them as mounts for the Skinks. It would probably just be a subtraction of content at that point. They have said though that gameplay comes before lore, so I don't think they'll do it.

[@paladinshark2448]

If I'm being totally honest, I do like that Sauros ride the horned ones. Their strength and would go further in the taming of such savage creatures would they not? Also, I do very much like that CA is taking liberties with lore, such as in bretonnias case. They are doing great work keeping the old world alive in spite of GW killing it. Them taking liberties also gives me hope for one day a terico based Estalia and Borgia esque Tilea. Great video overall, I just disagree a little on that topic. Also, is say for true lure purists I just wouldn't field any horned ones except on skink Chiefs.

[@liamcullen3035]

I wonder: will skink heroes have an aura effect that prevents units from rampaging if they are within it? Would that be TT-friendly? I feel like it would be a fun mechanic that would reward good placement of skink heroes in the battle line. Thanks for the great video, Loremaster of Sotek! Very interesting to hear your insights, praise and criticism of the roster! Much love! :D

[@chubbyninja89]

Aw man, I was hoping that the Horned Ones were like a better version of the Cold Ones, and maybe we could get a Horned One Riders, basically like Temple Guard cavalry. And I was hoping to see a "Sword" and shield variant of the Temple Guard, just because I wanted to get bodyguard that could be good for my lord who runs into melee. And I'm hoping that only Tehenhauin's faction gets the Red Crested Skinks, who should be a overall better version of the regular skinks. They should really be a unit that, where as you not worry too much about a unit or two of regular Skinks, you can't underestimate the Red Crested Skinks. They should be able to tear army's flank apart if it's left unguarded.

[@lord_alderaan9283]

Didn't CA mention that the Revivification Bastiladon was like a mobile spawning pool and that it wasn't so much bringing back the dead, but spawning new warriors to fill the depleted ranks of warriors?

[@Aziraal-Starhammer]

Lord_ Alderaan That would definitely fit nicely with lore and so on.

[@angrypirate1094]

Feral dinosaurs (and every other monster for that matter) were available through the Storm of Magic supplement, I'm not really sure why CA didn't simply evoke this supplement. The idea is that casters create magical contracts with wild beasts to control them. The Slann are even particularily good at mind controlling wild animals, a feat they use to defend their cities against the thunder lizards which are too big to fight conventionally. It makes perfect sense for you to lose control over the dinos as the battle progresses as that was ore or less what happened in the supplement IIRC. It would make most sense if you needed at least one caster in your army to control them, but a Lizardmen army without a caster is hardly even a Lizardmen army.

[@Joker-yw9hl]

Saw you in the stream, I think :) loremaster sotek! Now to grab the popcorn and enjoy this video

[@StoicheiaSage]

I hope Nakai is added as a Lord or something similar. I feel like they should add a Skink and Kroxigor lord as DLC.

[@undertakernumberone1]

For the Crystal: CA_Ato 7:00PM Not an aura, an active ability that targets a single unit. Cheers deckerm, please feel liked .

[@christianframe9788]

Great video just like the rest I like that you had constructive criticism instead of just purely hyping it up. On a side note would you ever consider doing a video or miniseries where you go in depth into the lizard men special characters?

[@flamingsnot2499]

What about the channeling casting ability? You didn't mention it and I don't remember it being talked about in the live stream footage I watched either.

[@matthiasdecker6877]

Cold blood healing is only for heros, Revivification Crystal is a single unit ability, also losing control of a berserk unit is a thing in total war since 2004, both rome total war and rome 2 had germanic berserkers who lose control in battle, and vast majority of knights in medieval 2 total war have might charge without order trait. Attila also had godan's chosen and Scatha's teachers who go berserker, the good thing about going berserker though is that units never tire.

[@undertakernumberone1]

Med II iirc had many Knight units with a trait that they might charge without Order... though i cant really remember seeing that...

[@matthiasdecker6877]

Yeah, never really see that in medieval 2, but in rome and attila units do go berserk and the player lose control of the said unit.

[@diarrheadan3601]

Matthias Decker Knights didn't charge without an order, but I think certain units in medieval 2 would go berserk when it's surrounded without a retreat path in combat

[@angels2online]

Matthias Decker And le elephants

[@johnelias3016]

is it possible the inclusion of the cold blooded mechanic is to be to represent battles taking so long there's time for a unit to leave? say instead of minutes, it means hours for example.

[@ronnie5340]

57:50 what about amber wizard with griffon??

[@axeltenveils6816]

Will you do the same video for all factions?

[@kenobijursthebadass5233]

If all the warhammer 2 factions are focused on long battles and the old factions are focused on quick battles how would they work together

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

Hello Acheon lord of the endtimes

[@scartioantolare5825]

are the lizardmen heavily resistant to poison in total war?

[@TheChileanMapuche]

the salamanders might be a bit complicated for the game since in tabletop the skinks have to interact and there's a chance that the salamanders will kill them, a feral version would actually be perfect for the salamanders

[@seekerofgnosis7967]

Yawnmaster of Sotek

[@lord_alderaan9283]

+1 for the Horned Ones comment. Very eye opening and will hopefully be fixed before release. edited for grammar

[@will131986]

Any chance of a mazdamundi legendary lord video please

[@skakoanscarecrow9830]

I'm going to assume that we'll get gameplay Thursday.

[@Master0M0Master]

Loremaster_of_Sotek , how do you think the Troglodon could translate into TW:W2?

[@jakobschoning7355]

YESS! LONGER BATTLES!! WITH DINOSAURS! ON DINOSAURS!

[@dalorasinum386]

Can't wait for game getting more and more hyped with each announcement. Just waiting for release date now.

[@claudiumarciuc2074]

will CA ever introduce în Warhammer games Cathay,Kingdom of Ind,Nippon and others?

[@iopohable]

Who is Tenen Juan ?

[@LoneStarkhrisTX]

Missing units: Ancient Stegadon with Engine of Gods, Troglodons, Salamander hunting pack, Razordon hunting pack, Jungle Swarm, Ripperdactyl Riders, Bastiladon with Ark of Sotek

[@moffxanatos6376]

I'm okay with Kroq'gar getting to ride a horned one, as long as he's the only Saurus to do so, willing to make an exception for him cause he's Kroq'gar, I do however want to see Skink Horned One riders, hopefully Salamanders and Razordons, ark of sotek, engine of the gods and even Troglodons will be in along with Tehenhauin in "The Prophet and the Plaguelord" type DLC they have planned, in fact I can almost guarantee that is what the dlc will likely be called if lord skrolk isn't in the base game.

[@mcstripey735]

What I'd like is that if the dark elves or the skaven win and bend the vortex to their will that something but maybe armies will like appear out of the vortex

[@ArnoVdVelde]

Lizardmen healing/returning units? Age of Sigmar leaking?

[@bluedwarf1699]

If they do make the new races last longer, i hope they also go back and do the same for all the old world races.

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

They forgot to mention about Thunderlizard XD

[@gravemore6186]

so the DLC is going to have all the beast hope they though in the snake swarm

[@GalbaKor]

Sooo... Bastiladons are now Mortis engines that can regen dead models....neat.

[@Indubidably0]

No Ripperdactyls?! No salamanders or razordons or Troglodons?! Something wrong here...

[@HagalSkrymir999]

I like most of the things so far. I also agree with the critique in regards to the Horned Ones. A Horned One as mount for the Skink Chief would be very nice in my opinion. Salamanders would have been great, but i really hope that we will see them as part of a DLC. Otherwise you will have a riot on your hand CA. You have been warned. In regards to the Cold One mechanic, maybe CA also did some research on real dinosaur's who lived on this planet once. Scientists found out, that dinosaur could heal from wounds which would have definitely killed any mammal. So maybe the idea for the Cold One mechanic was inspired from this direction? Who knows. But in the end, although i'm quite the lore purist too, i think the idea fits fantasy dinosaurs quite well. Can't wait to play the Lizardmen and eradicate any god damn Skaven i can get my hands on!

[@Drizzly0]

You got it after2 years

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

I'm sad that CA is not introducing swarms at all, that means no Spirit Host for VC... not cool, no Tomb Swarm also not cool, no Jungle Swarm.

[@calimerohnir3311]

I'm really getting worried for the multiplayer balance between game 1 and game 2

[@edwardcox1179]

NO HUNTING PACKS GRRRRR im sad

[@ronnie5340]

Ripperdactyl😢 salamander😓 troglodon😭

[@emilia0096]

omg, please do a lore video on archaon!!!

[@GalbaKor]

I really hope the solar engine can destroy walls and gates

[@augiechiavuzzi4907]

I feel the horned one makes sense since the lore its technically dead and that diversity is one thing the first game desperately needed since u have an army that's just great swords a steam tank and reikesguard knights in the late game which has been improved but not by much

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

FREE THE SALAMANDERS!

[@tonnehead777]

Vulkan Lives!!

[@Drizzly0]

You got it

[@Titan360]

Look. CA. Makings battles longer is a solved problem. The Modders fixed it. Just get rid of the oversized "Army losses" and do something to slow down melee grinds so that artillery, cavalry and mages have more chances to fire/circle charge/squeeze out more reserve winds of magic. (gods, but "extra reserve winds of magic" is a shitty trait...) You can think up your own way to slow down melee, and you didn't even have this Army Losses effect in your earlier total wars. Just delete the code, burn the related development notes, and never speak of it again. And Cold blooded? Just do what it says on the tin: slow down morale loss for Lizardmen units. NOBODY WANTED YOU TO GIVE DINOSAURS THE ABILITY TO "SANDVICH!!!!"

[@thevoxdeus]

Seriously, look into coffee.

[@SteveExH]

17:00 get over it 😝

[@SteveExH]

still Love your Video ;)

[@GrievousKhan]

#freethesallies!!

[@lyledallas9002]

free the salamanders!!!!!

[@axeltenveils6816]

Salamanders are a bit too random for the game, in my opinion.

[@jakobschoning7355]

well you could use them kinda like wardogs

[@Rellana1]

#Salamanderlivesmatter?

[@sebastianschwandt6478]

#freethesalis

[@blackscrub1750]

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[@TheDimonTube]

All that yawning.. Hah

[@idkdude2377]

*sticks tongue out* get over it

[@BeyondTilted]

First ;)

[@BeyondTilted]

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[@keanugroeneveld8750]

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[@BeyondTilted]

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[@SuperGamli]

This is so boring, its putting the guy himself to sleep.