LLinusLLove v Charlie Carrel | Exploitative v GTO pt. III

[@CharlieCarrel]

FWIW, I'd appreciate it if you took some time to understand my positions on these phenomena. I love your videos, and I really like you as a person. It would be nice to have the added bonus of not misrepresenting my positions 🙏

[@FindingEquilibrium]

Hope you don't take offense - much of the commentary was tongue in cheek. I deliberately cut-out the part where you concede that blockers can be important and that the main issue is that some people overprioritize them (I've said the same thing), so I understand that your position is more nuanced than what I am projecting by the video. I just find it entertaining to stoke the GTO v. Exploitative flames (and I think you do too :))

[@CharlieCarrel]

@@FindingEquilibrium I'm deviating from my base strat and going for a more passive line, these days. Less stoking in general 😁

[@kevinkennedy5076]

Fo' tha' clicks

[@bekeneel]

Linus couldn't be as good/succesful as he is if he were only a "GTO" player lol.

[@samuraijack1371]

@@FindingEquilibrium hmmm.... kind of a shady move. I think in the long run you are taking away Charlie's followers. If i just saw this video I would be like who is this foo charlie? Blockers arent worth much (1-2 BB at most) but at high stakes 1-2 BB is a lot and if a high stales players syas blockers is bullshit then that person clearly will be losing his money long term playing high stakes.

[@CharlieCarrel]

Before I watch this, I don't want anyone to come away thinking anything but: Llinus would annihilate me in a large sample 😁 I played because I wanted to play the best in the world. It is a challenge for me to take on, to face my own fears, and become more proficient in HU poker. I could feel myself being owned in some spots. It was a humbling experience 😁

[@FindingEquilibrium]

Respect!

[@flashrabbit9]

Charlie mate you played gto/solver approved on every street of every hand! 🤣🤣

[@yungbreezyatl]

Could you speak on this anymore Charlie? Do you still feel this way now? Appreciate the honesty.

[@michaelstern5206]

Great analysis- interesting how you you respectfully and analytically comment on Charlie’s game and come to a surprising conclusion: over the course of a small sample, the n1 HU player in the world was crushed by someone using his own preferred weapon (GTO) against him!

[@miaowmiaowchowface]

lol this was respectful?

[@bb-zt8ve]

I went through a phase where I thought charlie was a bad reg because of all his fuck GTO stuff. But honestly over time i have come to realise he is a super crusher. He just has incredible instincts for when people are overbluffing, underbluffing etc (obv I'm not talking about his match vs linus, just in general)

[@arivatanem4269]

No

[@bb-zt8ve]

@@arivatanem4269 who do you think is the better player, Charlie carrel or bbz?

[@winningbackthegirl]

@@bb-zt8ve bbz is not a cash game player

[@bekeneel]

Lol u could've come to that conclusion too with simply checking out his stats/results. So yea no doubt he's good, maybe I'd buy his masterclass, there is so many material available these days, both to buy or free, and I wouldn't pay much for a poker course unless it's something really special or valuable. But Charlie's style I think is most similar to my own & u always have to play your own game I think to be succesful, and persistent.

[@bekeneel]

@@winningbackthegirl Neither is charlie, the bbz guy isn't all that good from what I've seen.

[@satnam6]

Charlie is not denying that blockers have to be considered. He is criticizing people that give blockers too much weight in their decisions. You are making this video as if he is denying the importance of blockers, which is incorrect.

[@Humanprototype-wh8qr]

ty

[@lucasriven2115]

Yeah exactly, Charlie never said that blockers are useless, just that people dont use them efficiently Nice video anyway

[@lamm-prinzessin1116]

Please link the background music that runs when you do the analysis

[@nickmullen402]

“I wonder if without a club this hand ever just shoves here (JJ hand with back door clubs holding Jc)” -Charlie “you’ve been taken in by an ideology” Carrel

[@HasNoName69]

so? He didnt say that he had a hand without a club...

[@uliaritonangchilds7819]

As newbie in poker...this has make my head spinning and then exploded 😄

[@mrdjr6544]

Charlie is great for poker. His mindful approach is legendary and his positive mental attitude is inspiring. I don't really want my kids to get into gambling but if I could promote anyone to them as a role model it would be Charlie.

[@OneOut1]

How much did he pay you to say that ? He's a stone cold loser at those levels. You want you kid to be mentored by a loser just because he's a nice giy ?

[@JeffZuccMusk]

Charlie genius, never touched a solver and knows intuitively what's good vs fish, midstakes regs, HS regs, Linus

[@bekeneel]

I don't believe either in those bs "solvers", as if poker were a game like chess.. Like it's suppose to give answers what u should do in given situations, I assume. But the thing is, in a hand u usually don't know your opponents cards, neither do u know what will come on the turn or river (ok u can calculate odds there but still). Or for example when it says you should "call 30% of the time in that spot" lol, so what exactly does that mean, in a unique situation? Or am I missing something..

[@synchronium24]

​@@bekeneel The beauty of playing GTO (or the closest approximation of it we have with solvers) is that you don't need to know your opponent's strategy. The best your opponent can do is play the same strategy, and any deviation they make from it will lose them money. "But the thing is, in a hand u usually don't know your opponents cards, neither do u know what will come on the turn or river (ok u can calculate odds there but still)." Solvers address both of these complications by running anywhere from millions to trillions of simulations (depending on the complexity of the spot).

[@Proactionguy]

that J7 hand was actually pretty sick play from charlie

[@WhiteTigressTao]

I mean, you see LL playing like Isuldur back in the day...which was basically jamming with air all the time and forcing people to fold...

[@b1gstealer]

The fans wanted to see analysis of the 4bp Q9o vs A5s mono low board

[@aftermathovich]

Another great video!

[@Pcabs69]

The only difference between GTO and exploitative strategies are the assumptions you make before making the calcs

[@KIWI-un8fs]

dude, you are getting all wrong, just shut up and talk about something you got a clue.

[@Hoffys11]

Convinced@@KIWI-un8fs is Charlie Carrell's hidden account to get people to shut up about this take (cuz it's the truth)

[@gabrielvictor9065]

charlie "fawk gto" thing was just for metagame purposes. solver boi confirmed. great video btw

[@joehughes6302]

Great video!

[@redbaronlast]

he has the gto smoothie game

[@Rei-ws3il]

Nice contents as always :3

[@rizzla7588]

I am still waiting for charlie to finish his challenge

[@burnscash8443]

He did a couple weeks ago

[@jasonbigelow1403]

Awesome vid

[@Trrrrrrr777]

Blockers

[@Stefanburakov]

Yes he is.

[@Mr__Delivery]

Still the gold standard in NLHE poker content.

[@vambo13257]

Blocker thought is weak af. If I have an 8 in my hand am I really blocking a full house, straight or flush? There are still 3 8's left in the deck. Ridiculous

[@aaronlloyd6905]

It’s not just that. It removes a certain amount of combos

[@skillfuldabest]

17:19 lmaoo

[@tomtom-yr1jg]

Linus is punting so he gets Charlie to play him At higher stakes. 2knl is microstakes for him.

[@seviren]

May also see it as advertising if he knows Charlie's content.

[@Romans8-9]

Why would it be microstakes? He grinded 500z for years. I doubt Linus deliberately losing to entice Charlie to play higher, there is no guarantee Charlie will play higher, not to mention Linus agreed to run it twice. Interesting move for someone who thinks this microstakes.

[@benw582]

lmao this is such bullshit

[@Galvin8]

honestly linus is probably way poorer than the older guys who started during the golden age. even trueteller who has a couple of years of headstart and plays way more private games will be way richer Hard to imagine him having significantly more than 5M unless he punted it on crypto (which is peanuts compared to ivey/dwan/galfond/isildur/jungle in 2010)

[@Romans8-9]

@@Galvin8 5M is still massive for a pro poker player. Most pros dont even have 5M to their name especially the MTT guys. Dwan was borderline busto after losing to Isildur and Jungle. If it wasn´t for Macau backing, he woulda busted a long time ago. Not sure what he has now but I doubt its anywhere close to 5M. Ivey was busto from the Crockford´s and Borgata court cases, he was backed by Jungle for a while, not sure if he still is.

[@MiamiConfusion]

best channel ever

[@Jaffna1g]

The only One of these to that made a fuck gto statement by their actions is linus

[@nicor6415]

Just because Charlie is criticizing the system, it is still absolutely mandatory to be aware of the concepts if u are grinding in such an environment. So its actually not that big of a surprise to me...

[@masstransitrecords7865]

To be fair I’m pretty sure most of the high stakes guys are playing pretty exploitative games

[@johnmalto3392]

17:19 LlinusLove Charlie

[@mikecaldwell8014]

Neither Linus or Charlie are living a lie, but the countless people you inspire to play poker for a living are.

[@isaiah5217]

Linus punting for private game invites

[@_MMWWMM_]

Well it is done! Its all settled folks! The (ex) best poker player GTO machine endboss in the world, DEFEATED by a LIVE TOURNEY SPECIALIST AT HIS OWN GAME!! And they said poker was dead! F*CK GTO!!! GO CHARLIE BEST EVER GOAT!!! 🐐

[@pudelinocacalat2951]

What the ... was that 43 play by Linus. Longterm investment? LUL

[@matthiasvanderaa4870]

Must be targeting the 78 type hands that will fold still, but yeah very ambitious

[@Gos1234567]

Cant wait for the Phil Helmuth disowns "White Magic" video.Doubtful that will ever happen though

[@truthmoneyfreedom1584]

Seeing as poker is a game of deception, preaching GTO and playing exploitative or trashing GTO while playing GTO would seem to be the most GTO psychological warfair strategy to use against opponents. This may make you look like a fool when folks analyse your play, but no need to care about that while your busy cashing in.

[@fedea82]

Exactly. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there was a double con going on: Charlie verbally preaching against GTO while playing GTO, and Linus punting to make Charlie play higher against him on the future.

[@jaybingham3711]

@@fedea82 Pretty sure its actually a double-double con. Possibly even a quad-double inverted con. But such serious leveling is reserved for only a select few.

[@jaybingham3711]

@@fedea82 if im not running an inverted quad-double con, I'm very chillaxed. Dudes respect it. Ladies... well they do love da bad boiz.

[@jaybingham3711]

@@fedea82 No. I utilize Helmuth's morning routine: positive visualization, say good things about my prowess and learn to except that good things just happen to me more than not because I'm worthy and deserving, etc., etc. For suicidal times, I find cognitive behavioral therapy works the best.

[@fedea82]

@@jaybingham3711 Hey Jay, I'm sorry for being an ass. I deleted my previous comments. This aggression had nothing to do w you. In fact you seem like a confident smart individual, if I had to take a guess. I wish you well.

[@kleinlupo86]

This one was super funny and interesting

[@niclas5850]

😅😅

[@Exoduss123]

Word on the street is that Charlie took gto players money and pissed on these charts on his way out 😂

[@absolutedegenerat3372]

Charles ”BLOKKES” Carrel

[@arivatanem4269]

Charlie is a fish

[@emilecarette8993]

exploitative vs gto but in theory you can't exploit a gto player, or can you ? he's still human of course so...

[@samuraijack1371]

Just the fact that Charlie licked the water spout makes me puke! Really gross spout

[@brilliantbeaches5389]

People are so dumb. Yes, he is going to play close to GTO against a GTO player. And yes of course he is going to exploit weaker players since it's the superior strategy against unbalanced players. GTO is NOT the best strategy vs fish! And that's where you make money in poker! Guess what, if you play 6max vs 5 GTO players all of you are going to lose money long term! So the best possible strategie in poker is an exploitative style VS fish and GTO vs great players(if you have to play them!).

[@OneByze]

Charlie is a total clown and a fish in any game that is nl100 and above,. he reminds me of Phil Hellmuth

[@SuperYtc1]

This guy tries to sound so smart but all he's doing is reading the outputs of the solver after inputting the hand lol. He's not saying anything actually useful.

[@Romans8-9]

Your comment is not that useful either tbh.

[@SuperYtc1]

@@Romans8-9 I'm not running a KZbin channel and conning people into buying expensive software.