Load Box Shootout | How Different Do They Sound? | KHE 8X4 AMP Switcher

[@wingee]

Great comparison. Would've been interesting to have the Fryette in the mix too

[@MadayMaday]

This is the video I didn't know I needed. This is a problem I've been planning on for my future purposes... mostly reamping recording sessions, where needed. This is perfect.

[@Tone5DP777]

Great video by the way! I have a Marshall 1960BX with 25 Watt Greenbacks. The Suhr Reactive Load with IR's got me very close to my beloved Marshall cabinet using the 1.2 setting (4 x 12 with Greenbacks, HiGain, with a 57 and 121). I was sold on the Suhr when I could get real close to the cranked tone of my favorite cabinet.

[@Tone5DP777]

Really like the Suhr Reactive Load IR. Had the OX, but I felt it was a little sterile and I didn't want to do the tweaking. The Suhr gives you the flexibility to load other IR's and it's easy to use. Makes recording Marshalls at home very convenient!!

[@RockGuitarVibes]

Well done comparison - I have a similar setup including the KHE and the OX. FYI: In the OX software you can choose DIRECT as Mics to disable speaker simulation - so you can bypass the IR section.

[@evanlaurie]

This is my understanding as well. I run the guitar> amp> OX with mics set to direct> Archetype Nolly with only the cab section enabled to allow for different cab options. Sounds great!

[@GetUpTo88]

Yep, you can 100% bypass with OX by choosing DIRECT I've done it a bunch also. I have the Ampete 88S and an OX/CaptorX so similar setup as well.

[@seanriley9045]

I always use my OX in "direct mode" which bypasses the speaker section and then use IR's. It's just in the microphone section. Love your videos.

[@SteveHubbardGuitar]

May I ask why? I'm a Suhr RL IR owner and was considering the Ox for ease of room mics, etc, etc.

[@scottpeters4401]

I have the Suhr RL…Fryette PS2…Boss TAE..and the Fractal X-Load…they all sound different,as every speaker and cab will have a different impedance curve….The Fryette and Fractal are my favorites…The TAE with its adjustable reactance curves is good too…and no,the TAE won’t blow up your amp…The Fryette is handy because of the switches where you can change the reactance from resistive,to some reactance,to full out reactance….These are all great,and really great tools to have …..

[@moparbryan]

If you’re handy with a soldering iron buying bulk cable is much more cost effective. I bought 100ft of instrument cable and 100ft of speaker cable and made my own cables. It’s much cleaner and cheaper than individual cables. Plus you can get high quality cable like mogami cheaper in bulk.

[@johnzuker]

I have the Suhr and the OX and found that for Marshall style amps/cab IRs, I prefer the Suhr, and for Vox and Fender style amps/cab IRs, I prefer the Ox.

[@montelab2334]

fantastic vid Bea ! Anyway i dont think that using same ir setting in order to compare loadbox is so usefull at the end. I think could be more usefull compare “the best sound i can get from” as different loadbox reacts different with different IR. I have captor x and after a couple of month i have found very good ir combination. im really satisfied by now. i just bought TAE cos i own an amp and a couple of speaker v30 that require 16ohm and captor x does not serve that impedance. i could have gone for torpedo 16ohm much cheaper but i decided to explore also all the new feature of tae as attunuator , fx loop, dual spk output, continuos volume attenuation, power amp etc. the very alternative to TAE is fryette that is great but i ve got enough tubes valve in my house. thank you again…

[@RandyWillcox]

Bea! In the OX app, you can bypass the mics and just take the direct amp sound. I used to do that to use Wall Of Sound when the Victory Cab Packs came out and UA hadn't put the V30s in the OX yet. So it's not a blanket on/off, but you can do it easily and then save them as DI presets to recall later. 🤘🏻

[@bbmade]

I really like the Suhr. Presence but smooth. Very cool video.

[@GonzoGuitar]

Thx Dude, nice comparison of load boxes and in the end I guess it is personal preference and wallet size

[@jeremyfiorito3594]

thank you very much for this video Rabea ! life is not simple at the moment for me but your video keep me smiling... Thank you ! very, VERY interesting video :) i would never think in the past that different loadbox can sound different through the same IR ! Now I know and for me the best is the original torpedo :) (all of them are amazing ! )

[@hyperbolekid]

Perfect timing! Thanks. I have the KHE 4 amp 4 cab and FX. Lol, yup I keep buying cables every couple weeks.The ST Rock React is also another great attenuator/reactive load. Like the OX and Suhr the most.

[@Keethraxmn]

I've been lookin at the 4x4+FX one. How's it working out for you?

[@hyperbolekid]

@@Keethraxmn it’s fantastic. I set it up like Ola did when he got it abt 9 months ago. He has a video called AMP FEST! where he shows it hooked up to 4 tube heads and 4 cabs and effects. I go back and forth between using it like Ola and how Rabea does here.

[@alexanderfischer1293]

Great review. I especially love the comparison between the different loadboxes!!

[@JonathanKillstring]

BRAH I was just looking for something like this earlier today. Well timed, mate!

[@rossbalch]

Awesome, I was hoping someone would do something like this for a while.

[@Arch_Stanton.]

Based on this video I would pick either the Suhr Reactive Load or the Two Notes Torpedo Studio... And I wouldn't mind if I got the Friedman Twin Sister (yes, the amp) either.

[@chandlerclement1365]

The video I've always wanted! You the man Bea

[@douglasmackay8389]

13 year old me is dying at “Loadbox Shootout”. Sounds like a totally different type of video

[@northfortyrecords]

SLO on this video!!!! Wow. Rolled off all the highs

[@LucasMastropasqua]

Rabea you are the legend I go by!

[@alexusslv7733]

Great comparison! You can take any of them and get a good sound. I liked Boss & Suhr.

[@fateunleashed9680]

I enjoyed this shootout having a great routing box! What I'd love is next touch on this concept that you used the same cab ir for all the units if possible, so that way the only change would be the units rather than the change in tone from the cab. As the transducers in the signal are what make any tone sound the way it does frequency wise. This way you can clearly see if there is any change in tone frequencies from unit to unit.

[@josuastangl7140]

I thought that's exactly what he did

[@fateunleashed9680]

@@josuastangl7140 @ 8:24 he mentions specifically how each load box emulates different speaker cabs, so you'd have to bypass this and manually run 1 IR with all of them to truly know the difference of the boxes themselves. This is more of a comparison of the sound of the load boxes as they come with the same signal path running through each. Assuming you use the same guitar the only other factor contributing to your tone is the real or recorded real speaker and the mic on said speaker, so this makes all the difference.

[@josuastangl7140]

@@fateunleashed9680 now I get what you're saying, but I think you actually got this wrong. Pretty sure he's bypassing all the internal IRs and using GGD Cali OS, but as these still are reactive loadboxes, the reactive part has to emulate some kind of a response of a cabinet and that part is still different for each of the loadboxes, if I understand this correctly.

[@mrcoatsworth429]

I was thinking the same. It was a bit confusing. But I went back and he clearly says that for 3 of the units he's using the same IR. For the Universal thing he can't turn off the cab sim.

[@josuastangl7140]

@@mrcoatsworth429 yes, also it definately sounds like the same IR

[@blue_mountains28]

Do you ever find yourself thinking back to your teens dreaming about one day owning a nice guitar and amp. And now look at the amazing selection of gear you have 🤯.

[@RabeaMassaad]

Every time I walk into my studio dude. No joke. It’s crazy, but it’s one of those things I think. I’m just glad I stuck it out!

[@blue_mountains28]

@@RabeaMassaad the shur sounded so good btw, it has a particular weight to it. Very nice comparison 👍.

[@HiHello-ku1fl]

Rabea do you live with your parents? Not a dig at all. I wish I stayed with my parents longer so I could have saved up and got a better start. Especially for gear. Rent is too damn high these days.

[@irenesulbo5122]

You should try the RedSeven Amp Central reactive box, it seems to sound very homogeneous and close to the sound of a real speaker, I would like to see a video trying it out and testing it with the ones you have. Great review and great Soldano tone, very killer!

[@Johnsormani]

Didn’t watch the video but here is my opinion on load boxes. A passive loadbox will have a major influence on your sound because it is only a resistance .if this doesn’t fit your wanted sound it’s not for you. any reactive load at best can mimic a speaker impedance/reactance curve in one specific setup . If you don’t have that exact speaker in the same setup it will not be the same as the real speaker and can some completely different from the original with other speakers , depending on how different the curve is. The doesn’t mean it sounds bad but it’s different . You could try to compensate for the differences with eq and using IR’s but that’s not the same since the amp sees a different impedance/reactance.

[@walterschock1270]

Fantastic as always Rabea! Why not only one but good load box?

[@Hickeroar]

I'm using bose speakers, and I couldn't really tell much of a difference between the different cabs. These speakers don't have a bunch of bass, but I still expected to notice something more pronounced... The Suhr and the Ox were my favs. The SLO and the Twin Sisters were my fav amps.

[@BellsCuriosityShop]

Of the loadboxes, the Suhr probably sounded best (listening on my Kindle). But nobody is going to listen to a recording on anything else and say it's crap. I got a Two Notes Torpedo a few years ago and don't intend to change unless the Torpedo ceased to work or I need to record two amps simultaniously.

[@davedavem]

Ooo excellent! I have a Captor X and I'm looking for a cheaper one for a second amp 😄

[@JohnBenoit46290]

awesome video, ive been wanting to hear something like this for a while! Have you ever noticed a scratchy digital background noise on the ox? Especially when turning the volume down or on cleaner things? UA put out an article saying that its noise thats inherent to the amps you run into it but I never noticed it at all with my Suhr loadbox

[@IamMusicNerd]

I definitely want an amp switcher, but I cannot find anybody who sells them in America.

[@fusionid]

Can you please try the React:IR?

[@ScottChesworth]

Holy macaroni, the Friedman is so quiet!

[@larrydj549]

And they really retain their clarity. They don't muck up in the low tunings

[@lucaguitar2154]

Already liked

[@paulr8548]

love it

[@roryt1985]

Do you still own the Invective 120? Would love to see it in a future high gain harmony!

[@MRxr400]

switching out a load out for an amp, they need to have a load to prevent amp blowing up. how does that work? definitely a studio tool with the cable issue

[@chrispicha]

It’s only really an issue if you’re sending signal to the amp (playing) while not having a load hooked up. Having no load for a few seconds to switch load boxes while not playing doesn’t pose an issue.

[@cardbored_]

How do you run a stereo pedalboard through a switcher that doesn’t support FX loops? If you’re in the states, DeLisle makes the best switchers. FX loops and switchable attenuation supported makes their stuff better IMO. Seems KZbin hypes up KHE when really it’s ok at best compared to DeLisle or Ampete.

[@r3ya919]

damn thats cool :D

[@marcuskohlquist7676]

Hi, I’m curious About your settings on the TAE. Are your settings really set as a high gain stack (4x12 v30 and greenbacks) ?? Or have you tuned the presence and resonance to your amp ?? Keep up the good work. 🤘🤘🤘

[@ivanogt7196]

Rabea in standard E ?!?

[@adassization]

Hey Rabea, what channel/mode are you using on the JVM (around 10:50)?

[@EasyHeat]

Welp, I must give many thanks to Bea for absolutely blowing my freakin' mind just then. Ha! I've been tracking guitar "in the box" for far too long in my flat (apartment). I really miss that sweet spot low "ghost" harmonic feeling that only a pushed 50-100 watt tube head into a cab does. Sold my proper amps during Covid out of desperation. I picked up a Katana 50MkII later on. Actually impressed using it as a powered cab. Huge Question my dude! The Victory Kraken V4 preamp? It's been in my cart for weeks. My thoughts? Using it straight into my Focusrite with TwoNotes Wall of Sound, or into the "power amp in" of the Katana like a preamp? In theory? Both should be wicked. Although, I really have no proper evidence to substantiate that hypothesis. 😬 Thanks in advance for any advice! Cheers!

[@oishikplays]

I did the opposite thing, switched from using a boss katana to a pre-amp/speaker cab zero-watt amp (the humboldt simplifier) and it sounded and responded a lot better! It didn't take me long after that to invest in a real tube amp and have not looked at my katana since.

[@raoul_duke7253]

Dude I know this is old, but I hope you pulled the trigger on the v4 Kraken… It’s amazing… All of those new ones in that line are great at what they do, but the kraken is another level.

[@EasyHeat]

@@raoul_duke7253 I went with The Jack, but to be quite honest I'm more of a 80-90's Punk Rock/Desert Rock type of guy, and genuinely I must say that... This thing?!! Has been worth absolutely every penny and then some!! Couldn't be happier to TBO! Thanks for looking out tho... Perhaps I will eventually get The Kraken down the Pike, but I honestly needed an "all rounder", and this thing delivered in Spades! Cheers!

[@matnrocknroll]

The Torpedo and Boss sound the best to my ears. Suhr introduces too much "presence hiss" to the sound ... it's very audible with the JVM. Would choose the Torpedo based on the price. (Y) Thnx for the comparison!

[@michaelw5816]

Can you run an effects loop to your pedalboard, and send this to each amplifier on a switch too?

[@Keethraxmn]

I don't think so with the one he has, but they make a 4 x 4 + effects loop ones that I've been looking at.

[@mottifeldman7100]

Hey Rabea One of your super fans here How do I get ur Super Strat Vibes preset for the quad cortex? Thanks in advance

[@williehermes9210]

Bea...Headrush Gig Board or the Quadcore?

[@braaijmakers]

You are missing the best one the St Rock react IR

[@michaelcarroll1450]

How would a two notes captor compare? Does two notes use the same load circuitry in all their load box's?

[@kirinomorales9870]

which one would you say maintains the true sound of the amp the most?

[@mrcoatsworth429]

Isn't that kind of a paradox? Without a loadbox, how would one even know the "true" sound of the amp?

[@kirinomorales9870]

@@mrcoatsworth429 of course, I guess I meant how it would sound with its matching speaker.

[@asnark7115]

@@mrcoatsworth429 By switching it off. All the highline attenuators are true bypass.

[@bulletproofprs]

You running all the heads 8ohm? 16ohm?

[@AndrewStonerock]

If anything, i'd say the boss is a little scooped.

[@BockwinkleB]

So I have a Peavey Musician rated at 200W, 2 Ohms solid state, lol. Will any of these handle it?

[@mrcoatsworth429]

Check the manual or ask an amp tech to be sure, but I think the output power should decrease if you run it into a higher impedance load. Could work if you use a 8 Ohm loadbox or something.

[@JonathanKillstring]

Also, you probably don't need any of these for a solid state amp. They don't need a load, you can just run an output. That said, it might still be useful if the Peavey Musician doesn't have any non-speaker outputs.

[@0megalul309]

200 watts at 2 ohms is 50 watts at 8 ohm. Easy game for all of these

[@twelveweeks9009]

Hey Rabea. I really don´t want to sound stupid and i know you released a video about recording a few days ago. But.. I still don´t really know what essentials I need for recording guitar and practicing, while using Plugins at home. I have a mac book air and I would like to record / practice while using that. So i would need an Audio interface, like an 1000€ Apollo? Or can I buy a scarlett for 120 Bucks. What about an amp. Should I use only Plugins, or do you need an Amp Head into an OX or a Boss Tube expander.. ? Its really hard for me to switch from my simple solid state amp to digital recording so i hope this is not to much to answere. Thank you for your Videos!

[@simonk833]

Hey mate, you can absolutely buy a scarlett and that would be totally fine. You also don't need an amp if you want to keep things cheap. Plugins have come a LOOOONG way. As it's Black Friday now's a good time to pick some up, and Neural DSP have 50% off at the moment which are arguably some of the best amp sim plugins you can buy (they have a free trial too so you can test a few out). So with a Scarlett and a single plugin you'll be good to go (and then you can join the rest of us and get carried away and buy way too many other plugins).

[@mrcoatsworth429]

You absolutely do not need a 1000 Euro interface. I recommend looking at what's currently out there and reading some reviews etc. I don't know the scarlett interfaces, but I've been recording with an Audient id4 for two years or so with no issues. As for plugins, there is good free stuff to start with. However, right now there are lots of deals because of black friday. But you don't need a real amp to record.

[@danielsaturnino5715]

So you've gone mono.. pffff *thumbs up*

[@larrydj549]

Bloody click bait!

[@josespoti1155]

all too digital....

[@deangrey6867]

None of these are digital in any way, though?