The Most Satisfying Way To Use Modellers | PREAMP SWAPPING

[@MaxTaylorGrant]

Proud of you for remembering the routing for this. Gold star 🌟

[@RabeaMassaad]

I wrote it down 😅 thanks for the top critic tech help

[@Utube-g3g]

Max do you make home visits to set this up even if we’re in another country like in the U.S? If Rabea has to write it down you can only imagine some of our confusion speaking for myself of course. 😵‍💫

[@komobabo]

Seriously, Bea… your channel is hands down one of if not the most high quality QC channel currently. I think it’s mainly because it’s legit your preferred rig at the moment so you can tell it’s not a video on QC purely for the views. The fact that you know amazing ambient tones and clean and heavy asf tones is also a plus IMO. It truly exemplifies just how versatile the QC is. Seriously, kudos to you man. Loving the videos. Keep ‘em coming!

[@wyntyr1518]

I have to say Rabea, I really like your tutorials on the qc and the stereo/how to bypass or use preamps stuff. This and your other video have increased my knowledge of the QC greatly, I also really enjoy your playing. I could listen to you noodle with those ambient tones all day. The musical ideas are just great.

[@SkylerMills]

So glad to have someone ( specifically Rabea) help explain and demonstrate these routing situations and use cases.

[@JANDRE08]

NeuralDSP better have you in a payroll, because Man U r teaching me everything I need to know about this unit!

[@charlesg.1207]

Another incredible video that has helped me breakdown some of my road blocks and get my creativity going. Thanks again!

[@UmairDarVoid]

Being a real tube amp guy, this is the first time i've been tempted to explore picking up a QC - the flexibility of being able to use the best of both is truly game changing.

[@user-zf7uq1qo2r]

Rebea, the sound is just super phat just huge but also you can hear every note just so clean and in your face tones awesome thanks, for another great video and cool tones!

[@thecalv10]

I think the reason you have a lot of low end from the amp models is that the model is also modeling the power amp section. You effectively have 2 power amp sections running at the same time (one from the model, the other from the physical amp). Not sure if QC allows you to turn off power amp modeling (fractal and helix can), but that could help!

[@mmiller6873]

I will say this, being a Headrush user, this QC looks like something I totally want to try out sometime. I mean it sound awesome. Well done on this vid bro.

[@jconner3891]

Maybe a Fractal fm3 turbo. Much better price I have the fractal and love it

[@michaeldschutte]

I had the headrush before the QC. The fidelity and feel from the QC is lightyears ahead. Also has more models available

[@AlexSpetz]

Sounds mammoth. I cannot wait to hear your rig again with Vower. It was so incredible already the first time round, can't even begin to imagine how it could be better! Sick video dude.

[@karlreimann4950]

Soooooooo good Rabea, This is exactly what I've been hoping to see, such a great explanation and demo! Thanks so much! 🙏

[@Dave-0]

Tube power amps make literally everything better

[@valendis]

Does it? I mean QC into some Poweramp like a matrix, does it sound that different?

[@Imfreehowaboutu]

I had issues using tube power amps with modelers. For example using my mesa power amp sounds great with mesa models but tend to color other models with a mesa sound. It didn’t sound bad but it didn’t sound right either. I switched to a matrix solid state power amp and now all the models sound accurate.

[@Dave-0]

It should be a pretty subtle tonal shift, unless you’re really pounding the power amp (which isn’t always a pleasant or desirable effect).

[@Imfreehowaboutu]

@@Dave-0 I used to feel the same way but I didn’t realize how much of a difference it actually made until I tried something that didn’t color the tone. I found it to be a rather large difference if you’re wanting accurate representations of the amps you’re modeling. You end up running a preamp into a power amp and then into another power amp or replacing the regular power amp that may have different tubes and it’s own eq curve. You get a mixed voice instead of the intended voice. Again it can sound great but it will sound different than the amp you’re modeling.

[@dansomerville]

You’re running a tube power amp simulation into a tube power amp. That’s why fractal gives you the ability to turn off power amp modelling and/or amps like the matrix and fryette power station add little colouring. That being said, if you aren’t hitting the power amp hard and playing with high volume it shouldn’t colour it much. It’s all case by case.

[@brianrojasofficial]

Great showcase of routing possibilities man! Sounds great. Could you please shoot a video showing how to use the QC in the same way but switching channels on the tune amp via the QC?

[@babtanian]

This is absolutely a fun and versatile rig setup. I've been doing this recently with the FM3 & FM9 with a Mesa Mark VII and Badlander with superb results.

[@ChrabM]

Tone reminds me Mark Tremonti. Good job bro!

[@jamiehamilton7568]

Your tones are so unreal. Just received my QC and can’t wait to get into it. While the whole video is awesome, the Karnivool t-shirt takes the cake! Best band in the world!

[@EJH-jn6mo]

Yes! this is the way to do it. I run mine into a Fryette stereo power amp into 2 x 212 cabs. I will never want to play through my monitors (and those are high end ATCs).

[@r.llynch4124]

Now, that's a perfect world.

[@simonpeoski3173]

This is by far the most satisfying video on KZbin. 🙌🏻👌🏻

[@bobbydreg5597]

Love the creative routing!

[@JorisGriffioen]

For the XLR outs you could also move the split after the delays and reverbs to avoid duplicating them. You'll have the space before the cab sim which is where they normally sit in a guitar rig anyway.

[@kez850]

There must be a reason he did it this way. Maybe to taylor the time based effects to the room?

[@bioburden]

Preamp swapping; I do exactly this with my Laney head and my Kraken pedal preamp - the Laney is quite warm sounding and the Kraken has a lovely bite. Fun setup for different purposes. 🤘

[@mehdichamma]

Unfortunately, there aren't many videos talking about this, even though it's a major topic for all QC users, especially those who got it for the first time and are wondering how to use it with different amp types...more videos like that would be dope. Thanks!

[@Ninuzzo]

so freaking awesome whats possible with this unit.

[@marcobruder5639]

I did that with the Boss MS3, Peavey Dirty Dog and Orange Dark Terror. Even the drives inside the MS3 are great as preamps, if combined with the parametric EQ.

[@AshPrimalDamnation]

I had no idea you could do this, thanks for the tutorial - can't wait to do this in my live rig! 🤘

[@brettpennington2951]

Stunning tones as always.

[@andreiphi]

Love this video! I was hoping if you can go over volume balancing sometime in the future. using this method and/or pure DI. Would love to see how much your volume jumps between your scenes and presets. You’re the best man!

[@adambrezina8384]

Next video about sending MIDI from QC to Krakens to change channels in amps 🥰 to make it complete, controlling everything from QC….

[@peteglase]

Awesome video Rabea! Thank you.

[@1siriuswolf]

Nothing is better than that...

[@Stereostupid]

You always have beautiful tone!! Although my favorite is on your Strat i love your blues playing! 💙

[@Utube-g3g]

I miss his funk, blues, pop, rock and RnB. I’m not sure he okayed RnB but I miss his variety of playing on Andertons.

[@ricardoramos9401]

My top 1 drop D tuning guitar hero!!!

[@AlanJha07]

DROP C !!!!!

[@Tiger1016.]

I got excited thinking the QC could now disable power amp modeling, which is something the Axe Fx can do (I own both). With this setup, you are doubling up the power amp tone when running an amp model into the return of the real amp. We are only hearing the FOH tone in this case, but the tone from the real cab will sound quite different and not in a good way, at least based on my personal experiences trying this out before. On the other hand, something cool the QC can be used for is capturing different preamp settings from the real amp (axclusing the power amp) and running these into the real amp fx return. And, if you want a FOH tone in the box with this setup, you could separately capture the real amp power amp as well and then run the QC preamp cature into this on the split signal chain row. Or you could use an amps slave out (after power amp) or integrate in a nunber of different devices than and setup a DI send off of the amps speaker output back to the QC.

[@paulburton5150]

This is how I have my hxstomp set up with my EVH LBX at home. It’s actually more complicated as I also have a separate switchable path for the EHX Mel9 post both preamps, which I can blend via an expression pedal. It took me ages to work out and I have several copies of the schematic saved 😂

[@underfeed]

amazing, thank you Rabea!!

[@JoshuaLTRyan]

Yes, excellent, thanks.

[@carldavies6890]

Awesome demo great tones

[@rockinrollshow1]

I really love your tutorials all the way out here in montcalm county michigan

[@pillowhead4000]

Great video Rabea! I’ve been capturing my synergy preamps for this very use case and it sounds wicked and can get the sounds of those modules and only need to bring one in my Syn-30

[@sebass04]

Wow! Just tried this with my Marshall Silver Jubilee. Great tutorial.

[@RabeaMassaad]

@@sebass04 glad it worked!

[@catalyzed8457]

I found I had to reduce the send level by around 4.5 db when using 4cm otherwise I was hitting the front of the amp with line level not instrument level and this made my amp sound over saturated.

[@kevinverghese7672]

Damn sounds sooo good man, some nasty versatility!

[@garethstuart-ud8bd]

Inspirational Rabea - love the sound/production and your lilting musical journeys, just stunning. Glad you explored feeding that valve ‘goodness’ through Neural DSP, makes so much sense. I’m guessing that foot switching your valve amp channels via Quad Cortex might also be a possibility? While the high gain modelling is top notch, it’s hard to beat the real thing IMHO, so it was great hear the A/B. Greatly appreciate your channel - superb. Best wishes, Gareth.

[@josuastangl7140]

Foot switching the amp via the QC should be possible. If it has midi it’s easy. If it doesn’t there’s probably footswitches out there that have midi in, mine does. I need to try that out some time myself!

[@MF-Alien]

I really enjoy the tone when I use a Soldano amp modeler through my Friedman JJ!

[@shaggymattt]

Yoooooo this is sick. What a guru.

[@learnwithonur363]

This is an awesome video! Is your preset available to download? I am thinking about pulling the trigger on getting QC because of you!

[@AndrewMooreLearningLicks]

Great video man 👍🏼

[@hesch-tag]

You are a treasure.

[@WadoDragon]

I like the idea of being able to play a modeler through a real cabinet rather than frfr. I've tried it with Kemper, Line6 and AxeFx over the years both with a Fryette power-amp and via the four cable method using my tube amps power section. I could never git it to sound right, always muffled and or harsh in the room. Also the cabinet doesn't seem to respond the same as when played through a real amp. I'd like to think I'm doing something wrong, (tried preamp only captures, disabling cab sim etc.) but maybe it's just not for me.

[@saulostv]

Great tone! 🔥🤘🏼👏🏽

[@WinItReigns]

I would love a BOSS GT1000 video again. Im waiting on my UA OX pedal to arrive to pair with mine

[@IacopoGianangeli]

Love this setup! I want to try with my Ge300 lite but I'm missing a couple of cables😅

[@NeuralDSP]

👀🔥

[@freak2706]

Thank you for your video. I have a question: In your opinion, would it be possible to use your amp on stage for your cab while simultaneously sending only the sound of the Gojira to the FOH (without mixing the two amps), and still keeping all the pre and post amp effects ? Thanks FreK

[@jardelespindola4671]

What a great work, sir. How can I get these presets you've just played? Greetings from Brazil!

[@ray9743]

hey Rabea, couldn't you just turn the amps in the Q.C off in scene mode to use the kraken crunch? instead of using the fx loop block. thanks for your videos bro!

[@stephankrohn5747]

How did you setup the levels for the FX loops? I'm using the same method, but it seems no matter what I do the amp seems to sound better without the QC in the fx loop. And no, it's not that the fx loop on the amp is bad, if I bridge it with a patch cable it sounds exactly the same as with the fx loop turned off.

[@rzk2755]

Great video! Did you have to do anything to deal with noise? 4CM setups can be quite messy in this regard. Cheers :)

[@helloyu6270]

When bypassing the kraken preamp and using the power amp only, are you running through any amp sim on the QC?

[@snens4819]

Will your plugin be compatible with the QC soon or is it even planned for that use? I'm loving the sounds and would love to have them there

[@TheLangerma]

well i am just interested if i should disable my second output if nothing is connected. for exampe i am utilizing 2 amps in the rehearsroom but when i am playing live i am only utilizing one. could it damage the cortex if only one amp is connected?

[@spinaltap22]

I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts about something like the powerstage 700, and how it compares to your dual krakens? I took a capture of my Engl Powerball power amp section to use on all my presets, but with that I struggled to notice much difference. You have a much keener ear than I though, so would love to know what you differences you can pinpoint.

Hi Rebea, I really like your channel. I learned a lot from you through the years. I have a question. As guitarists, we always aim to create huge tones like in this video. However, I would like to give an example myself. These kinds of huge tones sometimes don't sound very good in mix situations in recording or band situation. A tone that we might call "tiny" can be heard much more strongly in the mix. I'm curious about your thoughts on this matter. Have you had such an experience too? Thank you very much.

[@max-d.guitar]

Hello! Can I use "send 2 -> return" instead of "output 3/L -> return" (for mono)? My monitors are connected to the output 3/R-L

[@Javier-qk7ms]

I have a ToneX one but I don't have a tube amp as are too expensive and hard to find in my country. Do you think the Boss Nextone would be a good alternative? Those are advertised to emulate power amp really well, still hard to find here but not as much as real tube amps.

[@stevenquantick7093]

Hi Rabea, So I’ve been back and forth on this for a while, I use one of the Laney FRFR cabs with my QC live, and I also love valve amps and have considered a hybrid rig like yours! Can I ask why you use valve amps rather than an FRFR cab? :-)

[@rd_rae]

The FOH split, should’nt the IR block come last, after the time based FX to simulate a real world setup?

[@stoneysdead689]

LOL- Leave it to guitarists- they introduce a new technology to keep us from having to lug around a tube amp and save us some money- and we find a way to spend 3-4 times more than we used to and lug around more gear than ever before. Does sound great though....you know you could just buy a standalone tube power amp and a regular analogue cab and have the same thing in the end- for considerably less money. Just sayin...

[@russell4625]

I feel personally attacked by this comment lol

[@Rafaelluques]

Can you shared this preset on you Cortex Cloud? I want to test with my Orange!

[@RabeaMassaad]

It’s on there now :)

[@alexanderwald2046]

any tips on setting the in/out levels for the fx loop?

[@wurm90125]

I'd love to try this, but every time I've tried 4CM with my Fractal stuff, I get absolutely horrible hum (which I assume is ground looping) that I can't get rid of. Any advice? As it is now, I'm using an FM9 in the loop of my amp and plugging my guitar into the front. Seems to be the only way it will run quietly. I have a QC as well and might give this a shot. Just hope I don't encounter the same problems.

[@Bigthoogs]

man. that crunch tone...

[@meistariaron1854]

i dream of a band where rabea is on guitar, Claudio Sanchezis the singer Hrafnkell Örn Guðjónsson is on drums and maybe andy the guitar geek is on bass, band name: the fluff

[@bobbydreg5597]

Any videos on routing iPad plug ins into the mix using usb?

[@ReturnToCoda]

if you wanted to run a pedal like a Styrmon in the loop, where would you put it in the chain?

[@RabeaMassaad]

Hmmm, in not sure but thinking about it from a logic standpoint I’d guess on the way to the effects return? So that it’s in the loop of the amp

[@ReturnToCoda]

@@RabeaMassaad thanks, ill give that a go and mess with it to see

[@alibaba4848]

How do You balance amp and qc volume ?

[@temorinkaari]

At 12:26 you can hear the picking sounds louder than the guitar tone itself. Could anyone explain to me what causes this? Is it the delay?

[@Airakobra]

Great setup, Bea! Dont you use noise gate? I feel when im using lots of gain in my QC I generally need a gate at the beginning of the chain.

[@navirbox4913]

Just a little question. I'm between the Helix and the QC, but probably gonna get the Helix. Will this be equally possible? EDIT: By the way, can you switch the Gain channel of the Kraken from the QC? Thanks in advance Rabea you're the man.

[@RabeaMassaad]

I’m pretty sure you can do this with a helix, I haven’t tried myself. But I know people who do it the same sort of way. You can do midi switching amplifiers with QC, so the super kraken would work, or any amp with midi

[@dash4786]

What tuning was your music man sig at on the clean channel? Drop c sharp?

[@Durkhead]

Latency?

[@ONEALIEN24]

sound a litile bit digitalized the pream tube sound after QC ... and even so , the QC sound darker then the tube (v4 preamp sound ) the is what i notice here in the studio monitorts... is subjectve ....but the devil is in the details ....

[@googleone5867]

This is essentially what a powered Kemper is. Impossible to come back from. Sounds amazing.

[@cheatingatmath3722]

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but for clarity it isn't. A powered Kemper would be like if he was running all of the QC stuff through the poweramp of the Victory (bypassing the preamp)-but what he's actually doing is that exact process of injecting a preamp for cleans/leads, but then switching to the actual amp in a normal front of amp fashion for his crunch tones by changing the signal routing in the 4 cable method. You may be able to do this with a kemper and a real amp you like, and if you did, you wouldn't need the powered version to do it. I do this with a HX Stomp and an EVH 5153..my clean tones are injected preamps and I use my real blue channel for crunch.

[@markosvafeas]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this mean that a whole amp head is being sent through the power amp of the kraken (effectively meaning that you get 2 power amps)?

[@Jandrezedouard]

Yes, I mentioned it but that doesn’t seem to bother him 😅

[@RabeaMassaad]

It doesn’t bother me, because it sounds good hahah But yeah. I’m fully aware of this. That’s why it has more low end, the easier workaround is drop the master of the models and boost the output of them instead. But ultimately if it sounds good I’m not fussed

[@Jandrezedouard]

@@RabeaMassaad I totally understand man, don’t get me wrong. But that would be great to be able to bypass the power amp of the QC model though ;-)

[@markosvafeas]

@@RabeaMassaadAh that makes sense, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something!

[@CorNigrum]

Don't you go through two AD/DA conversions this way? I don't think the QC does analogue dry through; none of the modellers do as far as I know. If you just want to use the QC for typical post effects like delay and reverb, I guess you need a parallel mixer if you don't want all of your sound to go through the AD/DA conversion and possibly get some latency or phase issues.

[@JorisGriffioen]

The latency thing is really only a theoretical problem, modern ADA is great. There's no phase problem because you're not mixing any signals. I've been running this config with an HX Stomp and Synergy amps for a long while, you really don't need to worry about it.

[@CorNigrum]

@@JorisGriffioen I think accumulative worst-case AD/DA conversions from multiple pedals add up. I should probably try to find a way to measure a double QC conversion combined with some other digital pedals. I coincidentally also have a Synergy SYN-50 and Helix Stomp. Pretty flexible setup!

[@stevejarosz8136]

Wow ok. So that’s different

[@manofleisure75]

4CM??? Pfft, we do 7CM around here mate

[@stimpsonjcat26]

IMO using a tube amp with a modeller defeats the purpose of a modeller.

[@Manley156]

Plini X stinks

[@s.e.n3264]

Too expensive. Next suggestion

[@samuelsansao]

New episode of: Dumb ways to use your expensive setup.

[@JohnWiku]

If it works, it works, there's no dumbness to be found here 😂😂😂

[@IStabz]

mass.sive!!