Lockers vs Traction Control

[@BenMitro]

Well put! The argument is not which is absolutely better, the argument is which is best for the individual.

[@glenndelacruz2906]

it's what's best given a circumstance

[@eden4x4]

I’ve got a Centre diff locker and a full time traction control in my Prado 120 series. The moment i’ve realised front and rear diff lockers are better than traction control was when my wheel speed sensors got clogged with a mud in the last hard mud drive. The advantage of lockers is that they are not rely on electronics so their function isn’t affected by a mud contamination.

[@RoyFJ65]

Rear diff lock with traction control works fine.

[@prandomable]

Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with factory front and rear diff lock AND disconnecting sway bars AND front and rear solid axles are the BEST rock crawler design.

[@RoyFJ65]

@@prandomable the Unimog although bigger betters that but at a significant cost but its far more reliable and any good reliable off road vehicle can be converted to rock crawler mode with right parts.

[@lukedontknow9283]

@@prandomable yep the only problem is it’ll break down every 20 minutes

[@GRcorolla-bt3mn]

@@RoyFJ65 105 series land cruiser come with diff locks front and rear. Also equipped with live axles, they are by far the best 4x4s.

[@RoyFJ65]

@@GRcorolla-bt3mn so does the LC80 and the 70 series Land Cruisers, best 4x4 being a relative term here.

[@Aksankhan]

I have 1992 Pajero with rear LSD locker And I have welded front diff with manual hub locking and always Enjoy all the times no matter snow or mud off roading. Nice video indeed. Greetings from Pakistan.

[@troymortimer3487]

I did a short film of my disco 2, TC vs front and TC vs rear. I got heaps of criticism from the land rover community saying I needed to drive it better. what I have learned since having the lockers and driving several cars is that all TC systems are not equal. not even close, and my personal opinion is that a single locker with TC in a older car should be enough for anything expect hard core wheeling. the newer TC modes in jeeps (grand jeep) and land rovers is really impressive. I'm not even sure you could run a traditional locker in those newer cars anyways.

[@raviprasad6763]

Very interesting! And fully agree - twin locks 4 hardcore off-roading.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

100% agree mate it's the best of both worlds

[@PumpUptheJam81]

I have never needed a front locker except for rock crawling. I tried the computerized locker experiment with an LR3 and discovered it was fantastic for moderate wheeling but there’s no replacement for the brute force traction of a locker. The computer will often times simply take way too long to figure things out which caused you to lose momentum and get stuck. I think the ideal is to have both systems if possible.

[@BenMitro]

The computer does take too long, so that means one has to modify ones driving style, with TC you have to be patient and hope the track isn't screwed too much while the TC wipes its bum.

[@v12mercedes-benz72]

Try disc 4 or us called LR4 and touareg 1.5.

[@olliehopnoodle4628]

Good video with a great example. My FSJ Cherokee has aftermarket selectable lockers on both axles. It's the best setup but more expensive. Also has a twin stick TC that allows me to select which axles get power, even in low range. Lots of shifters and switches but the flexibility is worth it. Your advice about spinning the tires is spot on. I have seen more broken axle shafts from wheels spinning and then grabbing than any other scenario.

[@LittleWayNotSoCool]

Powering out of bad situations is TC worst friend. TC as a replacement to lockers is a relatively new concept so education will be the best tool for it.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

The traction control does not work unless there is sufficient spin on the tyre so normally you need to feed it to get it activated

[@LittleWayNotSoCool]

@@4x4CampingandAdventures have you driven a car with a 2017+ TC SYSTEM? The days of clutch plates are gone, electronic TC is making waves in evolution of 4WD. Ultra modern TC systems dont even need wheel spin to apply pressure to the correct wheel

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Just so I'm clear I'm talking about my car here not anything else that's in the market.

[@LittleWayNotSoCool]

I love your videos and dont want to be that asshole arguing over nothing. I understand what your saying and you are my favourite 4wd dude.

[@ralphdiamon]

Excellent informative well thought out & presented video - thanks !!

[@bquade70]

Great to know, I subbed. 18' Ram 1500 w/traction control. Lake Havasu-🔥 Az. USA

[@tonesbones502]

Ok speaking from experience here, it's not the same. I have an N80 hilux (current model) that comes with a rear locker and traction control and I 4x4 a fair bit. I recently got a Harrop E-locker for the front diff and I can tell you it's a completely different beast. Much more capable now. I find traction control is good in H4 if you have a long steep incline that you can get some momentum on. Also, traction control automatically switches off in L4 (and you have to be in L4 to engage the rear diff).

[@mikewasowski1411]

Agree nothing beats lockers but a GOOD tc system can work great. Look at the landcruisers. Even within Mitsubishi’s range, the Pajero has a much better tc than the triton. No idea why though. The Pajero just grabs the spinning wheel right away and stops all the wheel spinning rubbish and drives on forward. Why can’t they tune the triton the same way? I mean it’s just abs and wheel speed sensors yet it can’t seem to grab the spinning wheels with enough force to stop them and send the power elsewhere. Is it a software thing or is the abs motor not stuck ing enough to brake with sufficient force? Always made me wonder. Ford ranger are the same. They sit there and spin for ages before the tc does anything.

[@dvast87]

Mike Wasowski its because the Pajero had LSD also. Triton does not. Massive difference I've owned both.

[@FirstLightAdv]

Best demonstration!

[@entity65]

Put the Triton on the same path as the cruiser. the cruiser had to flex far more then the smoother path the Triton was on from the looks of the video.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Picking your line to suit your car is a big part of 4wding, Just because the 4wd in front did it that way doesn't mean you can.

[@cobusventer6365]

I agree with most of this video. twin lockers will get you through mostly all situations with minimal worries, but if you know how to correctly drive with traction control and equipped to the right 4x4 there are few places that twin lockers are definitely better.

[@vincefairleigh6899]

Cobus Venter traction control should shut off in high and low range automatically, I got stuck because I forgot to turn off traction control, for extreme conditions lockers are so much better than traction control...

[@deborahesther8229]

Mitsubishi is very good

[@johnossendorf9979]

IMHO, selectable or automatic locker in rear first, selectable locker in front second.

[@andrewford80]

Which modern (2021) 4wds have a read diff lock that can be engaged and still use front traction control? I understand that most (?) turn traction control off when rear diff is locked.

[@spencerm106]

I believe the Prado 150 Kakadu leaves TC on with rear diff lock (factory fitted) in my 2012. The things are Billy goats.

[@sydneyraj]

Later models of Ford Everest, Y62 can apply traction control to front while diff locked in rear. Traction control in all cars need time to activate and this can be a problem with momentum. With just rear lock, it is possible to lift front wheel and traction control keeps this wheel quiet so that it does not cause damage while landing to cv or other drive line components. With twin locked, it is possible to use much less momentum to cross an obstacle and much less front wheel lift. Driving with more than necessary momentum with twin locked will cause damage.

[@prandomable]

Aussie's ARBLocker are the best aftermarket diff lockers! I just order a pair of Max Trax for my 5th 4runner SR5 4x4 btw. Also I'm wanting to get ARB lockers eventually although expensive :) The only advantages traction control have over diff lockers is that it won't affect steering capability. With rear AND front diff locked it is super hard to steer and turn to the direction that you are wanting to turn.

[@troymortimer3487]

I believe TJM prolocker is known to be the best dues to air actuation process over the ARB. the prolocker designs was purchased i believe from mcnamara diffs. there are plenty of ARB diffs out there which have heaps of positive experiences.

[@sukant08]

Although traction control would do the job most of the time, but there might be time that it decides that all the wheels are slipping and can stop torque to all the 4 wheels and then you are stuck

[@floydp1042]

good..thanks for sharing bro..

[@smashedya189]

A few things, the triton has 29 inch tyres and less flex which means less wheel travel to allow the wheels to fully plant on the ground which the cruiser was going so well with bigger 31 tyres, flex from coil and leaf sprung suspension. The triton struggled with limited wheel travel especially because it's ISF. The triton can be rectified with sway bar removal and upgraded suspensions to allow full limits of traction control. I have one and currently running 33s with 2 inch lift and no sway bar and keeps up with the big boys

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+Smashed Ya Hey mate just to clear somethings up both cars were running 265/75r16 the cruiser had a 2 inch lift the triton was standard suspension. To be honest if deiven correctly they are a force to be reconed with offroad a very underrated 4x4.

[@BenMitro]

Good to know Smashed Ya...thinking of getting a Challenger, so I presume the same applies as per the Triton for front end travel. The Challenger has IFS rear too I think, maybe the suspension boys can do something about the rear too?

[@bonvincentagbisit4503]

Why choose one when you can have both the locker and traction control. Mitsubishi's super select 4WD one of the best in this business

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+Bon Vincent Agbisit depends if you have the funds to install it mate.

[@bonvincentagbisit4503]

4x4 Camping and Adventures got it. So its about the money.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+Bon Vincent Agbisit pretty much mate if a standard ute comes in at 40k with traction control and no lockers you are looking at 5k for front and rear lockers fitted. So most people stick with tracton Control.

[@mikeb53]

Their super select 4WD is pretty nifty, but, I don't understand why they have a 2H option at all? When I drove a Mitsu, last year, it was new as well, the difference in fuel economy in 2H vs 4H (open center diff) was so negligible that it seemed pointless to use it in 2H at all. Their traction control system... eh... not so sold on that. I've driven 4WD's with better, TC systems. Toyota's is very good I rate theirs highly. But, for me, I have yet to drive a vehicle that outperforms Land Rover's current generation of TC systems, the way it combines TC and locking diff's is absolutely masterful!

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+Mike B land rover is the best in the business hands down. I agree mate the 2h is rather pointless maybe fuel economy comes into play here? The traction control is good on the mitsys dont get me wrong it can get hooked up and not work but 90% of the time it gets to where it needs to.

[@carlotheatheist]

Hi. May i on the traction control and differential lock at the same time?

[@chrishuang7932]

pajero has that mod to have both work at same.time

[@mountainconstructions]

Great Video mate, one of the best i've seen for this subject 105 with twin air lockers, how can you go wrong :)

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+Hugh Jazz yeah mate its a bit of a weapon thanks for the kind words he just needs 35s now

[@edu.g6082]

Hey,. Electronic Limited slip differential is the best , wheel spin can be minimized . and helps maintain momentum Hey Subaru people, don't you agree?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Funny you say I haven't been (hardcore) off-road if you go back 5 videos you can see I go down some more wild tracks, and the traction control did fine like it always does. And I say in the video lockers are the best thing for hardcore offroading so I'm not sure what you actual point is? Also the new Triton has a rear locker in Australia

[@jasonhowe1697]

the way I look at this: a on road safety feature has very little to no business being off road.. your video illustrates this very well.. the Idea of traction control is to stop wheel slip under aquaplane condition.. the only off road a traction control should go on is a maintained unsealed road, as the above video illustrates you are taking a on road only vehicle and trying to do off road applications with it and all but fail....

[@W3TFART]

Jason howe you’re talking about stability control a separate feature

[@Athiril]

Traction control is only as good as how smart the software is, how fast it picks up wheel spin and applies the brakes, if it runs a PID loop etc, and of course only as good as how much force the brakes can apply, stock brakes can only apply so much force, on a steep incline that’s angled to the side you might have a lot of force on the wheel with traction and the brakes not able to equalise that force on the opposing wheel

[@sukant08]

All modern cars have traction control now. But if you really want to go for at least semi serious off roading, get a vehicle that has at least the rear differential lock with at least 50% torque going to the rear wheel

[@XIXjlo]

Is it possible to install front and rear lockers on your traction control Triton and if possible to do so, how will that affect the traction control system already in place and the super select system Mitsubishi 4x4s is renowned for?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

You can mate been done plenty of times remember traction control only works if it detects wheel slippage so if you have lockers there won’t be much slippage but you can always turn it off to

[@MinasKitchenn]

Very nice 👍

[@Abbbb225]

I don't understand - when you say "open diffs" for the cruiser, does that mean with center diff locked? This is a full-time awd vehicle with no transfer case, correct?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+Abe so it has a center lock and its 4wd full time but the diffs are open unless locked by the driver so if the lockers are off the car is going to send all the power to the least resistance tyre.

[@iliketoeatmyownshit]

Is TC something that is constantly on?

[@frankcedeno167]

L200 LSD is the best.

[@Mickey_Bauer]

People are actually discussing if traction control is better than fully locked? That's cute...

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Comparing the two to be accurate.

[@alializada2371]

Good video

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Thanks!

[@RealWorldCarReviews]

Great test, thanks. Which year Triton was that?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

2012 mate

[@RealWorldCarReviews]

4x4 Camping and Adventures Cheers dude. I’m looking at buying the same series and ‘10/‘11 so these videos are great. Does yours have a rear locker?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Nah that’s only the GLXR models that come with the locker mate

[@Reidypie123]

thats why you get a glxr. my triton has centre diff lock and gets through with ease what other people struggle to do. my mate had a glx with no diff lock and he struggles on some things that i just roll through with ease.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+xXShadow_TempestXx Hey mate, thats exactly right but in saying that the car needs a front locker more then anything as it is alwats lifting wheels. Although im going front and rear locked with this one.

[@Reidypie123]

considering i wont be doing any extreme offroading, my centre lock will be just fine. People always underestimate my mitsi, then it wipes them all over the floor haha.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

+xXShadow_TempestXx they are good rigs mate very understated in the 4wd community.

[@lunchie80]

xXShadow_TempestXx centre diff lock only turns it into a 'real' 4wd vs awd. Any 4wd with a solid transfer case is always locked. You need a rear(or front) diff lock to actually have a locked axle.

[@ryanlynch2628]

xXShadow_TempestXx any part time 4x4 has a centre lock. Cross axle locks the diffs

[@kevinbeck6419]

I have a vw touareg t.c an lookers both

[@Kereyuli]

The traction control system doesn't support the rear wheels of Mitsubishi or what? why traction system cannot grab its free spinning rear though ?

[@Kereyuli]

I have to disagree though, 4runner's ATRAC system grabs the free spinning wheel in similar situation and it has already proven to be more effective than open diff 80 series LC. Although i understand that true locks are superior brake assisted limited slip systems have its place when it works. I am not sure whether this car has it on rear or not.

[@Kereyuli]

Again that is your opinion and cannot argue with the effectiveness of true lock. However, ATRAC saved my ass few times in real life situations including mud, snow and steep hill with diagonal holes on the road where open diff would only dream about. This has been true to me on my 4runner 07 can't comment on other cars.

[@vojodragutinovic1990]

What is the size of the tires on the L200?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

265/75/16

[@v12mercedes-benz72]

Try some good tc system, such as discovery4 or touareg 1.5.

[@jamesritch5245]

Just curious, I have a f150 4x2 with traction control and a full time LSD, should this be any good in snow with weight in the rear?

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Should help a fair bit mate due to one wheel slipping the traction control can then stop that wheel from slipping away, The LSD element will keep both wheels spinning together which should also help traction.

[@dvast87]

I find the Traction Control in my Triton totally useless in sand. Especially being manual how it saps your acceleration therefore you loose momentum and stall it or/and now your stuck. Would be good if it applied brake to the wheel but didn't throttle cut. You probably wouldn't notice it too much in the auto with the torque converter but in a manual for sand you always want it off. That's the only time I've thought lockers would be better than the Mitsu TC.

[@W3TFART]

James Thompson that’s stability control that does that not the traction control ,make sure you turn it off with the switch on the right of the steering wheel

[@dvast87]

W3TFART i have a DSC button thats all. Its either on or off.. if its off all wheels can spin so no traction control or stability control. How do I turn off stability and keep traction on so I can not have throttle cut but still have traction brake the spinning wheel

[@W3TFART]

James Thompson I sure my switch is asc and by holding the button in a few seconds till the light comes on the dash . You need to do this every time you restart your car it’s a pain in the arse if you forget . I spent a week on Fraser never had a problem with loss of power except when I once forgot to turn that switch off again .

[@W3TFART]

James Thompson that only turns the stability control off and leaves traction control on . Mn 2013 manual

[@mikeykeyes]

TC and VDC is required to be turned off in sand and also in some deep mud where momentum is required with some wheel spin to maintain the momentum

[@tamiyadriverGp]

The best stock system is definitely the Quadradrive by Jeep.

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Yeah I have heard some things about it seems to be the best of both worlds in terms of traction and lockers.

[@pastytit]

Tc shit.