[576] LoboJack HS-21 Hidden Shackle Padlock Picked

[@bruvluvuni4791]

I have never picked a lock in my life. But watching your videos is just so meditative.

[@Yaveton]

yeah, his voice and narrative is so chilling it justifies being put on some lists of your country prohibits lockpicking in every form

[@mcintoshdev]

I could NOT have said that any better! It is just amazing to watch you work. I enjoy your videos above all others.

[@wittedshampoo3299]

Me too

[@wittedshampoo3299]

And the way he says core is very relaxing

[@Mark410000]

Mee too, I'm about 12 videos deep, and have learned nothing!...but it's just so relaxing...

[@conorstewart2214]

The first lock not opening were them trying to show him that their locks are the most secure. Not even the key could open it!

[@fk6840]

but he picked it...

[@orangeondaxbox2768]

Reinhard Beinhart couldn’t open the first broken lock tho.

[@JiveDadson]

... and I thought it indicated a total absence of QA.

[@SibaNL]

@@orangeondaxbox2768 He picked the first broken lock...

[@orangeondaxbox2768]

SibaNL omg... he didn’t open the first lock? He barely even touched the first lock

[@blubberdust]

"I gave the lock a couple of wacks with a urethane hammer" oh yeah part of the normal unboxing routine.

[@cyrilio]

I completely lost it when he mentioned this. This guy is so thorough.

[@Kamel419]

7:18 "While it will not open with the key, I can pick it open" LPL, better than a key

[@billsee476]

pity you can't fit LPL to your key ring lol

[@isometimeseat]

This lock looks like the Tesla cyber truck

[@aidenhart8164]

roe really right there

[@YoYo-xr3ew]

My man is rlly hearting comments on 3 yr old vids damn

[@aliteraldumpsterfire672]

No. It IS

[@markc6714]

Don't insult the lock

[@tywilson7816]

lock the cybertruck with it then

[@oh8wingman]

One of the ways that manufacturers can overcome the non hardening characteristics of stainless steel is to add hardened manganese steel nodules to the molten metal just prior to casting. The nodules are much harder than the stainless and when encapsulated in the stainless they will stop attempts to grind or saw through the stainless. Manganese steel also work hardens when you try to cut it with grinders or saws. Cutting discs and saw blades will quite simply break or wear out when a nodule is hit. I know this from experience. Years ago I worked in a shop where we had taken on a government job to manufacture the bars and barred doors for a high security prison that was being built. The bar material was very expensive and almost impossible to cut. The bars were tungsten carbide tubes filled with 316 stainless that had manganese nodule added to it. To prove the material batches for the inspectors we had to place a sample in a horizontal band saw with a certain blade pitch and try and cut through it. The saw was stopped after 10 minutes and the sample and the blade inspected. The majority of samples never made it past the carbide but those that did never cut more than 1/8" into the stainless when a nodule was encountered. Every saw blade was totaled after 10 minutes. All of the teeth were either gone or so blunted to the point of being useless. The way we cut it was plasma arc cutting which most prisoners or robbers would most likely not have access to. Welding was done with an aluminium phosphor bronze electrode as I recall.

[@kellynolen498]

Well i dont know what got you started but way to go that was a good read

[@TheHeroicraptor]

Neat!

[@SuperAWaC]

there is also ferritic stainless steel which can be precipitation hardened, though it never gets as hard as carbon steel, it has fantastic properties otherwise.

[@multishit6664]

Wow thats fucking evil shit.

[@GOREilla.]

Kewl

[@afisch1694]

I was like” Holy cow! 8 minutes? This thing is a tank!” Then he started talking

[@monkman1639]

@@aarvlo he just doesnt like long videos I think. He is probably a fan of 2 minute long videos

[@cookiemonster-ky9ru]

Monkman no he’s just saying that lpls videos are normally shorter and a longer video usually means a beefy/hard to pick lock but lpl talked more about the lock than usual I think

[@brianwest2775]

He actually loves this lock. He gives it more praise than 90% of the locks that he reviews.

[@cherrycoke106]

Mostly just shocked when the pick he used wasnt the one he and Bosnian Bill made, I guess this video predates that one.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I was expecting to see that pick, too, but I assumed he wanted to use a Chinese pick for a Chinese lock. However, checking the release date of this video suggests that you're probably right and this was done before that pick was created.

[@JasonDukeSEO]

That was the most tactful, "Bill you got it wrong", I've ever seen :)

[@BillAnt]

When the comments are just as exiting as the lock picking itself... cool! :)

[@alaeriia01]

Well, he is called the Lock Picking Lawyer for a reason.

[@0Clewi0]

It could be different amounts of metal dust?

[@JonatasAdoM]

He's a lawyer after all.

[@whiterussian7564]

Successful small business owner Class 202 speak

[@indigophox]

Seems like there would be quite a bit of value in disassembling the first lock you received to see if it's a failure mode that could happen to an apparently-functional, in-use lock and leave you locked out.

[@LerRhann]

Used to work in a casino as a slot attendant and helped re-key the machines after a key was accidentally taken home. I want you to pick a lock from a casino slot machine. I'll wait...

[@chrisavila7158]

Quinn Meche keep waiting

[@acebulf]

Work at a company that manufactures slot machines. The allure of the slot machine lock being able to be opened is mitigated by a) an alarm that can only be disabled after triggering by a master key different from the first one to open the cabinet, and is located inside the machine, and b) the place where the money goes is usually required by regulation to be locked as well. The main front lock shouldn't be too hard to pick, as the usual safety measure relies a lot on the alarm and associated maintenance lights.

[@kellynolen498]

@@acebulf dam so no sticky finger lottery wins for me then ill just stick to card counting in casual card games with friends and a 1 dollar bet

[@RajaniIsa]

@@acebulf Yeah, I work with some casino "slot machines" and one key for the alarm, one for the outer door, and the cash box is behind another locked door inside.

[@JamesAutoDude]

@@RajaniIsa that's smart as it makes more time to get to it meaning that someone should be able to get to them before they'd ever get to it 😱

[@God8-O]

We are going to need a *BIG* Ramset for this one.

[@gustavgnoettgen]

🎸 Deh - deeeh: U-hu, sledge - hammer

[@danieldavidson8149]

Remington 870 with 1 1/4 oz slug will do it

[@nfsfanAndrew]

@@danieldavidson8149 now i need to see that. I love shotgun slugs.

[@ainzooalgown7589]

@@dodecahedron1 a 20mm

[@tehjamerz]

Or a little bit of liquid nitrogen

[@estergrant6713]

“a pretty competent lock” a shining review on this channel wow

[@Blitnock]

A lot of commenters seem enamored with the drama of the Ramset. But attacking the wrongly keyed or defective lock with the slide hammer makes the most sense. I hope you follow through with a slide hammer experiment after you create a good test set-up for the lock. I also like the idea that someone suggested of threading the pin, pulling it out with a bolt and trying to re-core the good lock. All in all this is an interesting lock and you produced a great and informative video about it. Thanks again for sharing your hobby and skills!

[@BillAnt]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ3QXq2rhN1pgc0

[@Gkitchens1]

Blitnock I would also like to see him thread it and pull it out.

[@someguyO2W]

This guy is so professional, concise and all round, just epic.

[@HameemSha]

Those clicks are one of the most satisfying sounds I have ever heard.

[@Mutisi0n]

The feel of the clicks is even better

[@Stamnley]

Let's take a closer look at that. *zooms out*

[@cloudmodyt4502]

when i heard him say "in any case" at 0:38 , i straight up thought it was the end of the video. like they just sent him a bad lock and that's it

[@jacksonparker188]

If it was installed against a door, the pin would be close to impossible to drill out plus it was originally hard to see the pin so...

[@Elliesium37]

i mean if you'd be picking this lock you'd know it's specifics, and what i think he meant by the "if it will be enough to hold the core in" is probably about the ability to hold it against someone trying to just hammer the core out

[@goodbyemr.anderson5065]

Vlastimil Ledvina yes he mentioned a slide hammer, probably to grab and pull the core out.

[@fies7asiesta694]

@@Elliesium37 You screw a screw in the core and pull it out with a crowbar for example.

[@ensuverna]

Yeah, you're not disassembling the pin. You're just ripping the core out and breaking the pin.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

It seems that taking the whole pin off and replacing it with a real bolt would be a good idea. Disc detainer core should have nothing in the look that looks like bible so you could easily drill and tap that part.

[@foenerrooo]

congrats your videos are being recommended for some reason to tons of people in canada.

[@socialex]

Leo Foenerro 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@jk743]

5:43 "then I'm going to get the pick that Chinese Bill and I made"

[@ja785y]

So it's a dropshipping company. At least it seems like a non scam one since they sent a replacement

[@georgelangrick7384]

It's not drop shipping - they have exclusive distribution rights to sell the product in certain countries under their chosen name and they hold a level of stock.

[@DavidKutzler]

In my experience, the stickiness that you attributed to grit in the lock from the manufacturing process at the Chinese factory is likely correct. I'm a hobby machinist. When I buy a new Chinese-made chuck, or some other machining equipment, the first thing I do is to completely disassemble it, liberally spray all the parts with WD-40, use rags, Q-Tips and compressed air to remove all the grinding grit and then deburr all the machined edges before reassembling the item.

[@DeadChannel939]

*Phone Picked up* “Thank you for calling lobojack...” “This is the lock picking lawyer.. we don’t want any problems, right?” “We’ll send you a new one right away.”

[@bc43l]

Watching your videos is the closest I get to meditation. And soon after that I'm ready to go to bed. Locking the door before that.

[@SightlessSenshi]

Very cool lock. I believe I have their Centurion lock; a pin-tumbler lock with a shrouded shackle. Their customer service folks were exceptionally friendly with me as well, which was awesome. :) Anyway, great picking as always, man!

[@connoc5078]

It's interesting to hear how much his accent sticks out when he pronounces the letter "O" in certain words, such as at 00:11 when he says "ordering", compared to every other pronunciation.

[@Alex-cg9dy]

You can also hear it when he says three, usually it ends up sounding like "thraiy"

[@dannyward8089]

I just thought the same thing. I’m pretty sure he’s from Chicago

[@Pepperdove]

Danny Ward that explains why I can’t hear any accent, being also from Chicago

[@bravo6959]

@@dannyward8089 so that explains the lock picking

[@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis]

@@bravo6959 why is chicago associated with lockpicking?^^

[@kongkunin]

Was watching and I had to let you know about the corrosion resistance of stainless steels. They come in a variety of alloys with 316 and 304 being the most common (these are also more akin to category than strict metallurgical description, but general properties can be described). In general, you can have strength of corrosion resistance. Most stainless steels are weaker than high carbon steels, but are far superior in wearing against the elements due to their corrosion resistance. 316 alloys are more corrosion resistant than 304 alloys, but 304 are stronger and have really good corrosion resistance. They will still corrode. It will take longer, but all steel will corrode to failure because of how rust forma and wears away. I work in the marine boating industry and this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. The quickest single sentence I've heard to describe this is the following: It's stain less, not stain proof. It is also the reason why bronze bodies are so commonly used in marine locks. Bronze still corroded, but the corrosion does not wear away the same way rust does from steel. Im a big fan of your videos and want to help give accurate information if I can.

[@Flarexxxx]

Found the custom gun lock vid, been binge watching all morning XD oddly entertaining

[@thefrub]

I mean, if you can access that pin on the back, the lock is already off

[@theavidpicker2721]

Nice picking LPLawyer! I am getting into disc detainer locks soon. You make it look so easy but it is easier said than done. Keep up the good work my friend!

[@oh8wingman]

There is a way to make austenitic stainless very hard to cut with a saw or grind away but most manufacturers won't go to the additional expense. While the stainless is still molten manganese nodules are added to it and they get cast into the end product. Manganese is initially somewhat soft but if you try to work it it work hardens rapidly. When that happens, your tool with probably break like you hit a security pin and if you are grinding your disc will glaze and stop cutting. This type of stainless is special order and is primarily used for making rod and flat bar for the construction of prison bar systems.

[@Vonkunken]

KZbin just recommended me 9 of your videos in a row on the home page.

[@stuarthawk]

Just got done watching a bunch of your vids, and decided to have a crack at the strong box i use to keep medication in. And i got it. TLDR i just picked my first ever lock!

[@MrFlarespeed]

Rule of thumb for lockpicking; never pick a lock in use. You could end up breaking the lock. Not scolding you, just spreading the knowledge.

[@stuarthawk]

I appreciate the heads up. Really should of realized that as common sense.

[@luisbenitez3428]

Mister I don't think there's a lock in this freaking universe that you cannot pick unbelievable .... keep it coming

[@indeepjable]

Vaults Those Locks

[@SpoilerAlert__]

8 minute video, a *Christmas miracle **Mr.LpL**.* _thank you and happy holidays!_ wow, I never noticed it auto-played to a different video...

[@vvyenne9576]

how curious, i also got recommended to the same one. maybe this one also has good character

[@nolansykinsley3734]

Yes! I was hoping you would get this lock! Hope you put the defective one up to the Ramset challenge, it would be interesting how you could possibly attack it with that.

[@kenc2257]

Interesting research--that's an unusual lock (nice finish on it, too).

[@The__Canuck.]

I made it boys! I made it to a video before the Bosnian Bill pick collab days

[@scratchandwinner]

Seems super chill... He is feeling high on life.

[@ionstorm66]

The 304 should provide some drill resistance, as it easily work hardens. Your average cordless drill dose not have the low speed torque required to do a low rpm, high feed pressure that you need for stainless.

[@ainzooalgown7589]

how about a cordless 18v impact driver or wrench

[@johntomik4632]

20v yo

[@TheMetalButcher]

@@ainzooalgown7589 Humans typically don't wieght enough for any reasonable sized twist drill.

[@nathanielweaver7078]

From personal experience drilling even 1/4" holes in 304 by hand sucks.

[@bruhmoment-eq8ut]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about

[@jusb1066]

cant wait for you to use the ramset on it, ideal use for the broken one

[@littlegoobie]

I would be surprised if that will do anything to this short of firing a nail down the keyway. There's too much metal everywhere. I watched the other video also and commented on putting a slide hammer on the core and on the end of the shackle pin. I think one of those will give.

[@pete_lind]

Would like to know if Ramset can shoot the lock cylinder out from the body if you hit it on opposite side .

[@BillSmithem]

First thing I thought when I saw this lock was that shackle looks like a perfect target for the Ramset.

[@jusb1066]

not down the keyway, to push the locking bar back!

[@jamkpa]

LPL is a magician. He is so darn great!

[@Texan_Patriot]

0:39 I heard you start off with "in any case..." and I thought the next words would be "thats all I have for you today..."😮😁😂👌 Edit : You did it again at 4:48!😂😂😂

[@liebefriedenworldwide8780]

imo the good customer service totally paid off with this video

[@buildwalls2001]

Wait.. he just said it’s a good but shredded through it in less than 30 seconds. Mad skills bro!

[@thomastommy1192]

Good video. I collect locks. "I can't pick them". I just like them. Please but links below each video. As to buy these locks from. Thank you. Many thumbs up.

[@TRPilot06YT]

Good customer service is something to love tbh

[@vernacular1483]

Your channel and skills are fascinating. Thank you!

[@wittedshampoo3299]

0:39 he said in any case and I thought the video was going to end

[@FrozenBusChannel]

That happened lots of time in this vid lol

[@fshalor738]

Nice... I like this little lock. Want to see what happens with a slide hammer. Shopping Cart Prepped!

[@Tengokujin]

It's interesting to see an older video with a disc detainer pick and LPL not saying, "with the lockpick BosnianBill and I made".

[@julianp2868]

OMG i can't sleep through lol and those sarcastic coughs, your great mate.

[@NevermindThee]

What a neat little lock! Thanks for sharing!

[@gruntslayer3524]

“To give you some cliff notes I think the answer is mostly” *ad* “yes” great timing 😂

[@johnbasedow8973]

I wanna see him go to a local gym and start picking people’s locks then does a vid on all the cool stuff he got from the gym

[@p.t.anderson1593]

Excellent video as usual. I also did enjoy the light back story. Something I usually tell a banjo player... Keep on pickin'!

[@donaldberry777]

I want these skills. Lock picking Lawyer makes it look so easy.

[@STB-jh7od]

Since you already have a non-working lock, use it for Ramset gun!!

[@thejumperkin]

Good praise for a (presumably relatively cheap) imported chinese lock. I wanted to check the price on amazon but it's not currently available lol

[@Si74l0rd]

Chinese locks are getting better. Both the product and the presentation. Also a fairly unique design internally. I'm looking forward to the destructive testing now ;)

[@landroveraddict2457]

Drill and tap the holding pin, pull it out with a bolt. If this is possible you could improve or swap the core. To hold the core drill the pin hole out a little, thread it and install a stainless grub screw, it could make this a very useful device.

[@borisrebic]

About your concerns with the pin, it seems to be a situational hazzard only. If this lock was put to secure a gate that has only two metal rings on each side, it could be that the pin would be positioned facing the gate itself, thus making it impossible to utilise the pin as a way to defeat the lock.

[@kungfuzing966]

We have similar looking locks at my work. While we don't have issues with the locks themselves, the keys tend to snap off in the lock after a couple of years.

[@alix6xgorg839]

Le LPL, a guy who can't die in peace unless he gets defeated by a true locky lock.

[@AKAtheA]

"saw and drill through with normal hand tools" - I'd suggest you try that yourself. 304 is a pain in the butt to drill, you need good drill bits and cooling, otherwise you will likely burn the bit. Same goes for the saw. The steel workhardens when machining, so the chips are pretty nasty and the tool likes swing between skating over the surface and biting in like a pitbull, which in case of drilling with hand tools is not fun.

[@Bradofosho]

I never knew padlocks we're so interesting!

[@MilesPrower1992]

I'll put it on my school locker... What are they gonna do, ask me to take it off?

[@raaston9761]

@Student _Arthur not my home made lock it requires a special tool only i have access to the wavrebsa

[@2FuNnY4uDude]

You could drill a hole in the pin, thread it and and pull it out with a screw

[@finikitooo]

I really enjoy your videos. However, it makes me think, why even lock my house? you can probably get inside in less than a minute... LOL!

[@john-paulsilke893]

China gear is almost alway a bit gritty. If you ever buy a new gun from China always, always clean it before even dry cycling it. I have owned and still own many Chinese firearms, (legally of course since I can buy them easily enough being Canadian). Cheap and cheerful but a bit gritty and almost always work. Chinese mechanical items have a quality control that usually cares little for appearance and “feel” but do seriously value function. Complain about a scratch on your 9mm 1911 and you won’t get any attention but if you tell Norinco your gun has stove pipes after a 200rd break-in and they practically freak out and arrange an exchange at the point of purchase double quick. Good stuff but ugly and gritty, (oily and smelly as well if mechanical).

[@jamestaylor5995]

I've had a similar experience with the trigger on my Norinco SKS. It was terrible. Even though it was clean, it felt gritty with every pull. Thankfully, 600 grit sand paper and several hours of sanding the sear resolved it. It's definitely a favorite rifle now.

[@mikeyang3684]

So, just like the good old Soviet Union quality my comrade! lol

[@theghost7277]

Love this company for that reason

[@Norp-i7m]

He couldn’t open the first one with the included key, but he was able to pick it. Lol

[@stevehardy6125]

dang did he really say he picked the lock open that wouldn't open with the key?

[@johansten7976]

Seems to point toward a key mixup in the factory to me - simply shipping the wrong set of keys with the lock.

[@ksinghproduction]

It’s almost like a hobo created this lock but was told by his hobo friends that he couldn’t call this lock a hobo lock, so at the last minute the hobo had a light bulb moment and said “We shall call this lock a Lobo Lock”!😂 Also I just came across your channel a couple days ago sir, and I have been binge watching all your videos since!!😂😎

[@nbrowser]

Nice video, two requests, take the bad one, see if you can pick it open and also as someone else mentioned...Ramset it! Leave the good one in operation condition. :)

[@paul_warner]

"I probably would not hesitate to use a lock like this." LoboJack sells out the very next day.

[@univ3rsal]

Man LPL sounds so sick. Also this video came across like a sneaky infomercial.

[@magneticsyndrome]

favorite parts of this video: LockPickingLawyer has a contact that knows all the rare chinese lock brands. And that he decided to smash this with a hammer a few times before making the video. Gotta love the details

[@nonamernobrainer846]

"Let's take a closer look at it" *zooms out*

[@dillonbuford]

I really like the design.

[@3FIGNEWTONEATR]

LPL gets a new lock, immediately just starts going at it with a hammer. He starts primitive and then works his way up lol

[@jcsabolt2]

I’ve been watching this channel for a few months. Makes we wonder why we bother with locks, he can open anything in about 30 seconds or less.

[@mercoid]

Yeah. But if you count all the thieves with lock picking ability and compare to LPL, he’s probably like one in 3 million.

[@wmmt]

If anything, I'm appaled by the imitation keyhead design à la Abloy Disklock Pro. That said, I'll be perusing this Channel for any videos pertaining to the Australian Lock Company and/or Assa Abloy locks. Keep up the informative reviews.

[@bcbandit123]

Looks like a spring loaded bearing on the shackle..? Maybe a whack or three with a rubber mallet and a little pull out on the shackle will bump the lock open??

[@bobxoneill]

The fact that you got a new one no questions asked made me think it was a chinese company. My wife gets this treatment for many items purchased on Amazon

[@pjmillah2172]

Stainless steel will "work harden" when drilled or machined. Especially without coolant.

[@brianeaston007]

Or maybe you are a better picker than Bill..,lol

[@RealWorldPolice]

Skill doesn’t make physical false gates disappear...

[@moscreefus]

Bill wouldn't dispute that LPL is a far superior picker. Dude routinely picks locks easily that Bill failed to

[@leechowning2712]

@@moscreefus look up his "naughty bucket" set of videos, where he picked up several locks from bill.

[@ihavenonamek733]

Naw, bill my man. Does lock picking lawyer have a smoothing voice ? Yes but Bill has more skills.

[@Steve-sd7wk]

Drilling or sawing through 304 is no easy task, but you should always check it with a magnet, 304 is non magnetic, 430 SS is ferritic and a magnet will stick.

[@kennethdangelo5777]

I asked on bills video for this lock but I figured I'd ask you as well so here is my original comment/question I posted on bills video: Does somebody make a disc detainer training lock? Something that's easily disassembled or a clear one? (Personally I don't like the clear ones bc you always find yourself taking a peak and in a real world situation that isn't an option.) But an easily disassembled lock with maybe some extra gates to change the bitting and get you used to false gates would be great. And if there isn't that type of thing available maybe somebody would see this and make one! But I'd like to try to start picking this type of lock for some new fun and it would be great if I could get something like that. Plus good disc detainers are pretty expensive, too much so for me to rip apart and make into some sort of trainer. Any help or leads in the right direction would be appreciated.

[@fabiomasellis8132]

do the slide hammer test

[@TheCreative01e]

A lock that LPL would use, holy shit, that’s high praise

[@africanelectron751]

If I have learnt anything from this channel is that you should have something that allows only the length of the key to go near the key way .

[@jakeblanton6853]

So, you could make the pick attack more difficult by welding a few plates near the key hole that are far enough to still allow the key to go between the lock and the plate, but too close to allow the much larger pick to go in there. Which brings up another idea about locks in general... How much more difficult would it be for you to pick a lock if it was set in a mechanism that required the key to have a 12-18" handle on the key to even *reach* the face of the lock? Do you think that you could pick a lock where you had to work through a 1" diameter hole that was 12" or more long just to even get to the face of the lock? A good way to test that would be to take a cheap door lock that you normally can pick very easily and mount it so that a piece of 1" sched-40 steel pipe was aligned with the center of the keyhole so that you needed to insert your pick the entire length of the pipe to pick the lock. Record the time that it takes to pick this vs picking it normally. It might be an interesting challenge.

[@Mnelissen1968]

How fast this lock got picked by LPL is devastating to the Hidden Padlock Community..!

[@timothythompson3029]

I heat treat 420 and 440 stainless to 50-54 RC and 17-4PH to 40 RC and Ive done Elmax which is a tool steel stainless to 60-64 RC all the time.

[@danielroglich3309]

Great video brother, thanx for sharing it with us

[@navidpey194]

The name That’s besicly the address of the factory! Foshan City nanhai district

[@DonzLockz]

Good to see it's not cast zinc as many from China are. The key looks the same as my M-Lock key, they may be related. I guess you could drill out the pin and cut in some false gates.🍺✌

[@littlegoobie]

the problem with all these "brands" that are nothing but shell company these days. If you're into HID or LED lighting for automobiles, you'll know exactly what i'm talking aobut. It's obvious that there are probably less than 10 different unique manuf designs of these products out there and yet you'll find hundreds of "brands" of each who do nothing but buy them in bulk from overseas then put a company sticker on them. They don't even have any customization to the internals or anything. If LPL's source is correct, this lobojack "brand" is one of them, and their inventory of random product offerings in their online store pretty much points to that.

[@DonzLockz]

littlegoobie yes true. I'm sure this practice is common these days but it makes it hard like LPL found out to try and source manufactuing info. A lot of it is probably cheap garbage as I have inadvertently bought some of it...ton's of replica/fake items out there too. I try to buy local where possible as it's covered by local consumer law.😊✌

[@littlegoobie]

been there myself. photos make it look like the product I want but when it arrives, it's obvious that it's nothing like the real one. There are a few things that i want but i'm afraid to buy because of the excellent counterfeiting inside and out. Some fakes are good enough to fool people who sell the real thing. (benchmade pocket knives, gibson/fender electric guitars, etc) yeah, that's the one benefit of buying local in a real store. Prices are higher but you can look at it beforehand. There is some assurance that it's real but that's not always guaranteed. I just read a story of a local bank that unknowingly sold faked gold bars. Nobody along the supply chain is accepting responsibility.

[@mebran1193]

3 years ago these picks were rare. Then Bosnian Bill and I helped Sparrow make em common

[@markm0000]

Lol cliff notes answer to my question “Is this lock a heap of shit?”