Loki 2x02: Breakdown, Theories, Reaction and More!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@gibbings5534]

I loved how this episode made loki imtimidating again with his magic and the interrogation scenes

[@DanHosler]

For real. I hate the whole every bad guy is a good guy

[@augustmyers339]

@@DanHosler Loki was never really evil, he is the god of mischief after all

[@Raphentei]

Actually it was just Tom Hiddleston using the dark magic only british people can use in their homeland. P.S. the Harry Potter franchise is just a documentary set in real life

[@kaeking86]

First thing my wife said.... This is the Loki I know 😢 I made her a nerd

[@echo_z319]

@@RaphenteiFrl

[@jaedynstjuste1708]

Kingo was the person that portrayed all the actors he said was “related” to him. He didn’t age and had to come up with a way to explain how he never got old.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, good point...I probably didn't ask my question very well. Kingo is indeed the one appearing in each of those movies and pretending to be his ancestors...but I was just surprised he would be pretending to be his great-great-grandfather in a movie that was out only 50 years ago. It seems to imply each "ancestor" was only in the movie business for a decade or so. Hope that makes more sense. Sorry for not explaining my question better in the vid!

[@mayo4660]

I totally forgot, that for this Loki New York was only like a few day ago. His more mischievous fight and will to harm X5 (even though I think he did it so Mobius wont cross the line) reminded me. That makes the "your a villain" statement of X5 even more intese.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, great point! New York wasn't that long ago as far as Loki is concerned. Excellent observation!

[@droupscoup]

This episode had me so happy becauee we finally got Loki doing more magic stuff outside of telekinesis. The shadow thing was just so cool. This second season working so far for me.

[@AllyGirl-hg2sb]

Same I absolutely loved the magic 😊

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...I think a high point for the episode was Loki flexing his magical abilities. With him trapped in the TVA where he can't use his magic, we didn't get to see much of it before now. So that was a very welcome change!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@AllyGirl-hg2sb Agreed...loved how he used abilities we've never seen before, combined with his regular bag of tricks. Very cool!

[@shazzagreen1240]

When loki produced the horned shadows, they were behind Brad so he couldn't see them, it can't have been to frighten him. I think loki did it to tickle his own fancy because it bought back fond memories. A bit like when he smiled when thor retold the story of his transformation into a snake to scare him. I reckon he was just thinking Ahhh Happy days.....

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@shazzagreen1240LOL...yes, Loki is indeed the God of Mischief!

[@giovannigatti3176]

Man your videos are just the best. The way you ask yourself questions and try to answer using informations coming from the whole mcu is just so interesting and I feel like you should be the one at marvel in charge with the multiversal rules because everything you say makes so much sense. Good work as usual!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Yeah, I love trying to put it all together by looking at the current episode, looking at the series as a whole, and looking to the greater MCU. That's what's so awesome about the MCU is that they work really hard to keep things connected...sometimes in small ways and other times in big ways. Love it! Thx again watching the vid...really appreciate it!

[@mtdl3x]

I love how we finally saw more of Loki being his OG self and doing Loki stuff. Delightfully glorious.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that was indeed delightfully glorious. Fun to see Loki letting his dark side out to play for abit!

[@matt_canon]

I just hope, at some point, he uses his magic on a timeline to get his original "fine Asgardian leather" suit back. I get the TVA might have a dress code, but I figure if Sylvie can wear hers, he can wear his. (my 0.02)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@matt_canon True...he does look really good in that "fine Asgardian leather" suit!

[@austinrrrodrigues]

I just have to get my theory off my chest, I feel very confident about this too: I think Victor Timely is the same variant as He Who Remains. I think the device he shows off at the World's Fair is an early prototype of the Temporal Loom. We need HWR aura to open the doors and repair the loom, and since we know Ravonna was close to him, and we now know which timeline she's in, Loki and Mobius retrieve Timely and bring him to the TVA; because his temporal aura IS HWR's as well. Also remember Loki says "It's him." It's not just a version of him, it is him.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theory! Yeah, I'm leaning that way as well. I think personality wise, both Timely and HWR seem pretty similar. So with the points you mention added in, there seem to be lots of clues linking the two of them. Hopefully we get closer to the answer in the next episode. Just a few days to wait!

[@persephone342]

I’m thinking Ravoona’s temporal aura is the one needed to open the doors. HWR would make it her just because he’s that kind of man. Irony at its greatest.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@persephone342Now that would be a wild turn of events for sure!

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

It’s still quite weird that they said it’s gonna be a catastrophe if the nexus event branches past red line in s1 and now we find out that it’s so easy to just cut all the variant timelines (they didn’t say it’s all of them but it didn’t look like there was any left on the screen)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...I think that falls into the long list of lies we were told about the TVA back in S1 E1 by Miss Minutes. Clearly they can bomb a timeline after it has reached the redline. However, I think there are two reasons they feared it going past redline. First, it was much easier to reset a nexus event, as you just go in, grab the variant that caused the issue, and reset the impacted area. In other words, no new timeline has formed yet, it's just a small area of time the was impacted. So the effort is much less. But more importantly, I think that when it reaches red line, it is a fully formed timeline and thus you have to bomb it, killing billions of people. And even worse, you run the risk that since all points of time exist at once, it means a new Kang could now exist in the 31st century and he would be inside of the loom and thus could immediately cause trouble on the sacred timeline. Anyway, those are my assumptions. I could be wrong, but it seems to fit with the overall model they are presenting to us. Great feedback as always. Love all your comments!

[@ramihajyounesmontoya5194]

Honestly, after watching season 1 recently and following with S2E2, i am most intrigued by Mobius' story than anyone else's. To me, he feels like the biggest mystery yet. I might be wrong and we find out next that he was just an ordinary Jet Ski enthusiast who somehow sold or sailed the wrong Jet Ski to the wrong shore and ended up in the TVA but I feel there might be more to him.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I am so fascinated by Mobius' story and it does seem they are really building up to something cool. Very interested to see where things go with his story arc as the season progresses!

[@Natta44]

I still think Mobius was a Shield agent. Bringing the arc full circle since loki killed Coulson.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@Natta44Oh wow...now that would be wild!

[@MattPerk7]

Brad Wolfe was on the sacred timeline, not a branch timeline according to the time cards that we saw. The whole reason that X5 went there was to avoid being on a timeline that he knew was going to be bombed. When they were interrogating him, he was extremely preachy about why it was crazy that Mobius did not want to find himself on the timeline. I think it is pretty safe to say that X5 was a famous actor named Brad Wolfe before he was at the TVA

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I think Brad / X-5 was on the main sacred timeline as well. However, I do think you can create a branch off of the sacred timeline that doesn't register as a nexus event, as long as it doesn't result in a Kang. So that's the only way he could be on a branch but still be considered part of the main timeline, since the sacred timeline is many branches woven together. However, I think that's waaaaaay too confusing of an answer, so yeah, I think he managed to go to the sacred timeline and not branch it in the process. However, I'm still confused what happened to the Brad Wolfe from the sacred timeline. If X-5 is a variant created by a nexus event on the sacred timeline involving Brad Wolfe, how does X-5 then return to the sacred timeline when Brad Wolfe would still be there? That is very confusing to me at this point.

[@SeanWheeler100]

Or maybe X5 could be the real Brad Wolfe from the Sacred Timeline? Maybe the TVA could have recruited a few people from the Sacred Timeline and X-5 was one of those people, and he went back to resume his life at the same time that the TVA kidnapped him so that he was never gone? I mean, if Loki's arrest was actually supposed to happen according to He Who Remains' plan, maybe Brad's arrest was also because He Who Remains needed him in the TVA and not because he was a variant? We can't even trust the old regime of the TVA when it's built on lies. Maybe there could be something even more shady going on with the way the TVA kidnapped the agents? What if the agents weren't variants from branched timelines but people from the Sacred Timeline that He Who Remains found useful?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@SeanWheeler100Excellent point...I agree, we can't trust anything the TVA tells us!

[@pizzatime1146]

Great video! Your'e one of my favourite MCU breakdown channels. Keep up the good work.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate it!

[@Kyngspencer]

Just want to say I love your channel. I wish I could chat with you in real time about loki. Keep up the great work

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate that positive feedback. And please feel free to join the discord, as we discuss Loki right after the episodes drop!

[@hallebrouse]

the scene of loki using his shadows to hold x-5 is definitely one of my favorite power scenes of his (also congrats on 10k subs!!)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, Loki really shined this episode when he flexed his powers. That was amazing! And thanks for noticing the 10K. Really appreciate it!

[@Kompatainment]

I think both theorys about X5's/Brad's life on the sacred timeline are valid, but i prefer the first one. The main reason i think so is the way he always talks about the big twist the TVA is experiencing right now. In his mind "it changes everything". He asks Mobius all these questions about his life on the sacred timeline and why he doesn't want to know about it. And he seems very passionate about it. Maybe all his emotions in that scene are fake and he's just a good actor trying to mess with Mobius. But maybe he meant what he said and assumes Mobius wants to know about his real life because Brad himself desperately wanted to know about his life and to live it. I think he either killed his variant or pulled a Miguel (O'Hara) and stepped in when his variant died.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theories...yes, you are right...X-5 was very intent on knowing what his life was and also pushed Mobius about it, so it does stand to reason that Sylvie told X-5 about it and he went to live it by replacing the non-variant Brad. Can't wait to see where things go from here!

[@RavenFlag]

Omg i was waiting for kingo to get mentioned, but there is a poster!! I really like that :) thanks for pointing that out!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Epic Kingo easter egg!

[@bleedinggreen5748]

One of the reviewers who received the episodes in advance for reviews has something interesting to say. Jonathan Majors only appears in 2 of the 4 episodes that were sent out for reviews. Which means we can guarantee that Majors will make his entrance this week since he has missed the first 2. Just wanted to let you know! Keep up the great work!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yeah, so we should get a double dose of Majors in the next two episodes. Should be awesome to see how Victor Timely ends up fitting into all of this!

[@knilla2k]

Casey being a geek about the TVA guidebook was my favorite part. I wish I could read through it!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that was so cool to see him fanboy over OB. And I really, really want to read that TVA handbook!

[@knilla2k]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think more people would be interested in reading that compared to Scott Lang’s book.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Could be...might be abit dry at points, but the lore would be so amazing!

[@knilla2k]

@@AbitofEverything4U thanks for always being such an engaging creator Unc Everything. It means a lot to everyone.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Uncle Everything is here to serve!

[@janette3075]

These videos are great thank you ..helps me to understand a bit more and put things in perspective ..of which I’ve needed assistance to see it all a bit more clearly..lol 😂 thanks so much..but I really enjoyed this episode , seeing Loki do his thing ..them finding Sylvie at McDonald’s was a treat ..and how that come about..it’s getting very interesting 🤨 😊

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the kind words about the video...yeah, my mind works alot better when I lay everything out and try to put it in an orderly fashion. Glad it works that way for you as well. And I agree, great episode and great series so far. Sylvie working at McDonalds was awesome and I loved Mobius trying to mend things over with X-5 by sharing a shake. Really excited to see where the series goes from here!

[@hunterterrell5735]

I honestly think that the X-5 chase was one of my favorite pursuit scenes ever, very fun.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...that was a pretty epic chase. Really well done!

[@hogrida4577]

I hope we see loki's powers more often in the mcu

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it's alot of fun to really see Loki cut loose for once...I agree, I hope we see it more often!

[@Ryan-gz9xg]

Bro you know you deserve to be one of the big breakdown channels

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate it!

[@Ryan-gz9xg]

@@AbitofEverything4U stay on the grind. It’ll come in time. Breakdowns are more than worthy of it 🔥

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...I just keep chuggin' away and having a blast doing it!

[@thekinglydragon]

Am i the only one that keeps wanting to call Mobius Morbius lol. I think the memes have corrupted my mind

[@AbitofEverything4U]

We really do need an "It's Mobin Time" meme!

[@maxtucker-gq6qd]

Excited for victor timely. Again proper breakdown love it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, will be great to see Victor Timely's role in all of this. Love how this season is unfolding. Thx for watching and for the positive feedback on the vid!

[@dracomaster4]

I know you reply to every comment, and I don't know if you remember me, but I love that you do reply to everyone. I think you have some of the best analytic videos out there and I like every video you have because I want you to end up like the best of the MCU reactors. More power to you!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...that's very kind of you to say. Yeah, I love to read and respond to all the comments. People leave such great feedback. It takes alot of time to reply to everyone, but I think it's worth it as I know people like to have someone respond to them.

[@JoshRead]

i always wait for these videos to come out before watching the episode so i can watch both back to back and get the most out of it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, that's a cool idea. Well, in that case, I need to get my vids out faster. But it's really hard to do it much faster as there's so much to these episodes. That said, I'll try my best!

[@asherstreets]

great recap and insights! I really think the pie contains some form of memory-wipe ingredient. Mobius can't remember the past, and goes to the key-lime-pie only cafeteria. It reminds me a little bit of Troll 2, haha! OB doesn't take breaks and likely doesn't have pie, which is why he remembers more. Also, if magic doesn't work in the TVA, perhaps those red runes behind the time-keepers statues were cast by Kang?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL...yeah, that pie likely messes with their mind...I mean, I suspect the ingredients certainly mess with their digestion, as that pie looked nasty! Interesting thought you raise about the runes behind the time-keeper statues. That's abit of a mystery for sure!

[@grecia_gs]

I loveeeee this episode, "villain" Loki was soooo good, but "magic" Loki was so much better. But yeah I feel that it was a little rushed up at the end when they prune everything. And thank you for explaining the red line and the reset, I was a little confused about it, but now it makes sense! I think at one point they have to explain the timelines and all the stuff in the series but they also has to explain it at the movies and maybe it's more easy than we think!! Thank you so much for the breakdown it was so good! ❤

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...this was a great episode and I loved seeing Loki really cutting lose both with his villainous side and with his magic. It was so perfect! And I'm glad you liked the vid. I sure helps me to lay things out in an orderly fashion because there's so much going on with the mysteries of the series, so it's great to hear it helps you as well. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!

[@collinwiniarski4703]

Great video as usual

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate it!

[@knilla2k]

The pie comment was so funny. I was thinking the same thing: that’s toothpaste pie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? That think looked nasty!

[@krzyszwojciech]

24:19 - something I noticed on that still image. There's a violet crack behind the timeline to the right. It looks out of place and it looks like it's the same color the cracks on the sky in No Way Home had. Wonder if it was intentional. I'd venture a guess that it was. Maybe this episode is concurrent with that movie? Hm. When you play the episode this thing is moving behind the timeline, like an electric discharge. Maybe there's more to the isolation of the Sacred Timeline from the wider multiverse, maybe there's an actual barrier and it's cracking open now.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very interesting! Yeah, that would make sense if the barrier protecting the sacred timeline was starting to crack open, as that's exactly what happened in No Way Home. That would be wild if they were tied together somehow in perfect timing!

[@naamanhubbard1]

Another great vid

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@jonahnichols1]

The ending was so sad with the destruction of all of the timelines, that was like trillions of lives lost, but at least Sylvie's chosen timeline survived. I liked the little moment at the end with Sylvie and the kid where they check in with each other, she really didn't have that with anyone her whole life other than Loki so I hope that he survives the series and can live a good life on his timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...it was kinda nice to see Sylvie having a quiet moment after all she's been through. Great character development in this episode.

[@Surfboarder4]

Glad we finally know what was going on with the threshold and why exactly the timeline was already branching - Mobius and B15 ordered branches to not be pruned.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree, that makes alot of sense. I totally forgot to mention that when we talked earlier, but I really like that as the solution

[@markdarc0448]

This episode had my jaw dropping with that finale, I mean thats so much death and destruction. We've seen the pain that just wiping out 50% of a universe can cause, we've seen someone accidentally wipe out their entire universe because they just wanted to be with the one they love, now we get that, double the horror of a thanos snap PER TIMELINE, and they wiped out 30% of all the timeline branches. Unless I'm mistaken this is the most death we've ever seen in the mcu and by a long shot. I was really surprised they did that. Also your discussion with Miss Minutes and the nexus events and how that works really had me interested, I think that might be what they were trying to convey in that Butterfly Effect video. Maybe you can undo a nexus event and return it back to the sacred timeline if you can fix it before the nexus event causes the timeline to redline. But this still leaves open the question of why were they pruning timelines before they red line in season 1? That could totally destroy this theory but I find it interesting. Really loving this show but I can't lie if I have to nitpick it seems like it has a little too much going on and it's stretched a little thin. Dox for example has had only one scene and now she's responsible for the most kills in the mcu? It could still be fixed with more screentime later and I totally think they can pull it off but it's kinda scaring me, Brad/X-5 was also just kinda forced into being a main character this episode and we got less of B-15. It kinda seems like they have a little too much going on and not enough screen time. Still think it can turn around and it's still pretty great but it is making me worry a little. Also I agree I NEED that TVA Guidebook lol please marvel release it

[@zorrow_]

Yeah it was kinda weird, like they made the multiverse collapsing feel anti-climactic

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, there was alot going on in this episode and it probably could have been two episodes, tbh. That said, I'd rather one episode that felt rushed rather than two that drug along, so as long as we don't have any other episodes like this one, then I'll be fine with it. And yeah, watching Dox kill all those timelines was craziness. But I wonder if it will be just a taste of the hard decisions they have to make as part of the Secret Wars finale. Things are really escalating in the multiverse saga and it's getting really interesting!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@zorrow_What's really wild is to consider that we didn't even see the death of the actual multiverse, as those were just branched timelines off of the main 616 universe. Now, imagine wiping out an entire universe (like 838) and all of it's branched timelines as well. I suspect that's what may happen during Secret Wars. That's gonna be insanity!

[@zorrow_]

@@AbitofEverything4U Oh wow.. that comment really made me realize how crazy the multiverse is. I really never thought of it like that.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@zorrow_Yeah, I'm working on a vid about the difference between a timeline branch and a universe. I think we finally have enough clues to know the answer!

[@QuoteBlink]

Can someone tell me what dress shirt is Loki wearing during the London sequence because I want it and I like it.

[@QuoteBlink]

Especially the pleat

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that was such a good look. Hopefully someone will know!

[@Killixn_]

The highlight of this episode was clearly Sylvie's mullet 😭🔥

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That mullet was amazing!

[@ProjectImpossibleOfficial]

Owen Wilson reviewing McDonald's was so funny & it was exactly what I needed in my life.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL...yeah, that was awesome. Owen Wilson is such a treasure and that scene was epic!

[@tyler_traveler]

*Insert Taneleer Tivan clapping* ¡MAGNIFICENT! 👌🏽👌🏽

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! I would be honored to received a Taneleer Tivan clapping meme!

[@travishayes840]

Great video, and you have a new subscriber. Mobius doesn’t know who he himself was in the sacred timeline. This is a major plot point of episode 2. Was he married? Did he ride and sell watercraft? He knows not..and pretends to care not. So I assume X-5 would not remember his past life either? Just speculation. I’m guessing he went to the timeline, and just started living his best life!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theories on X-5...yeah, it really feels like he just went and lived whatever life he wanted, which would explain the "meteoric" rise of Brad Wolfe, as there was no Brad Wolfe in the first place. The only reason I wondered if he might have found out what his original life was, is that Sylvie enchanted B-15 and C-20 to show them the buried memories of their past lives in the sacred timeline, so perhaps he asked Sylvie to do the same for him. But it kinda feels like he found where Sylvie is, but didn't approach her, as she still felt safe there, meaning he probably didn't let her know that he found her. Anyway, I think your theory is spot on and I'm also really curious to see what Mobius eventually discovers about his original life. I agree, that is a major plot point for the season. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback and also thx for subbing. Really appreciate it!

[@Scotty2Hotty4]

You know this show Is giving me Tales from the Hood vibe.. where at the end once they bring Victor Timely on some ransom vibe, not realizing that they could’ve “made the right choice” all along

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting analogy!

[@TheMattLuigi]

Favorite part of this episode is that they finally let Loki be Loki and use his powers.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it was amazing to see Loki really cut loose this episode. Very cool!

[@MasterDSuomi]

Good video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate it!

[@Steeezzzzz]

is a branched timeline in effect the same thing as a different universe ? Or are they saying each universe has its own set of timelines

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That is such a great question....I'm going to make a run at that question in a new vid I hope to have out in a day or two. I think I may finally understand where they are going with it!

[@Steeezzzzz]

@@AbitofEverything4UI havent really been able to advance past that question lol, also they had the universe number 616 with more numbers added on, so does that mean there’s multiple 616 universes? And with all this information how is there only 1 tva ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Make sure to check out my latest vid, but in answer to your question, I think those are branched timelines with the 616.XXX labeling and not new universes. I think timelines don't become universes. But let me know what you think after you watch that vid. Thanks for all the great questions!

[@iamhim2285]

35:28 this is what I was saying in the comments on your video about timelines vs universes. I believe they are different. I think each black hole is a universe with timelines in it. There are a bunch of black holes we haven’t seen yet besides the 2 in Loki and the 3 HWR showed in his example. We saw kind of how the multiverse looks in Multiverse of Madness a couple times when they used the darkhold.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup...I am so glad you have kept on that point. I wasn't sure until this episode, but I'm convinced you are right about that now. I hope to have a vid out on it in a few days as I think it's a really good observation!

[@lawznwdsc]

This episode was good, the Loki interrogation scene was intense, I can't wait to see what the rest of the season will be like.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...that interrogation scene was really well done. Been a great season so far!

[@man.itz.ashton]

loving loki so much, yea the beginning of episode two was sort of confusing at first i hope that issue doesn’t persist in the episodes

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I was fine with them jumping forward like that for Episode 2, but I agree, I hope they don't do that with later episodes. But that aside, this season has been amazing so far. Loving it!

[@DepletedWisdom]

Clearly when Sylvie greets Loki in the TVA in episode 1 she is not talking to the Loki that gets pruned. She is talking to to Loki behind him that prunes him. I feel it is just a misdirection to cause a mystery.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that theory!

[@Zenlore6499]

I don’t think Sylvie’s being a cougar! 😂 I think she’s just making sure the kid’s gonna get home safe, which given his nervousness sounds like he might have to walk home. I read into it as he has a broken household that he’s afraid to let anyone know about, but then this nice lady shows up and starts working with him and he feels safer with her around.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a great take on things. Yes, I think Sylvie feels a motherly concern for the kid and it's cool that she is finding the ability in her to care for others, as I think she could have gone the path of being bitter and lonely and hiding away from everything and everyone instead. Excellent feedback. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@bouel2709]

In my opinion, obviusly he has a crush on her, but she sees him as a co-worker/friend I think that one of two things are going to happen: 1-He is fridgged (aka pruned) giving Sylvie a reason to come back to the TVA 2-We have a time jump of 15-20 years and they show both as a couple/very good friends, then he is fridgged or (as I show in some theories) we discovered that he is Mobius before being taken by the TVA

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@bouel2709Interesting...I hadn't considered that he could die. That would indeed get Sylvie very invested in the TVA once again!

[@persephone342]

Möbius did call Sylvie, “His favorite”.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@persephone342 Very true!

[@The_Surf]

Great breakdown as always! Couple questions/takeaways: don’t alternate universes have their own big bangs? I know in real-world multiverse theory that quantum fluctuations at the Big Bang of each universe leads to different laws of physics, so I was thinking that each universe is its own big bang contained within its own black hole, like how in S1 episode 6 it showed the black holes next to each other, but then each universe can have infinite branches. I feel like there’s so much conflicting things about the sacred timeline like how the monitor labeled each branch 616.whatever. So was only the 616 universe’s branches bombed? Because isn’t the sacred timeline also composed of other universes not just 616?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good questions. On your last point first, I don't think Dox was bombing the multiverse, but rather she was bombing the branches on the sacred 616 timeline. I think HWR isolated the 616 timeline from the rest of the multiverse and as long as the loom is working, then we are just dealing with 616 and its branched timelines. As for your first question, I have held on for a long time to the idea that all universes originated from a single big bang, but honestly, I think this episode solidified that each universe has its own big bang and that's what distinguishes a universe from a timeline. I think the reason I thought there was just one big bang for the multiverse is that the Watcher made it sound like the "new realities" being created were new universes. But I wonder if they were actually new timelines off of the same universe instead. Really hope they explain all of this at some point, but I do think the answers above are as close as we can get at this for now. Let me know your thoughts. And thx as always for the excellent feedback!

[@The_Surf]

@@AbitofEverything4U So is the sacred timeline supposed to only be timeline branches of the 616 universe? Because then I’m confused how there can be alligator Loki or Loki’s who look different. Those would be totally other universe’s Loki’s wouldn’t they? I figured the sacred timeline contained other universes as long as they don’t lead to a Kang. So Alligator Loki’s universe would be one of the realities in the Sacred Timeline, Boastful Loki’s, etc. Since they look different that’d be a whole other universe, not just a different timeline right? But then with this last episode, when the sacred timeline was bombed, it only showed branches of the 616 universe affected so it makes it seem as it’s only the 616 universe and it’s variant timelines that are contained in the Sacred Timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

So, you may have seen my newest vid after leaving your question, but I tried to address your excellent question there about whether those branches were universes or not. I think that they are saying that branched timelines don't eventually become universes. Instead, those are just branches off the 616 timeline. Therefore, we aren't seeing multiple universes in the sacred timeline loom, but just multiple branches off the 616 sacred timeline. As for how Loki can have such unique variants, I think they have been portraying him as a chaos being. If you look at how Mobius described all the variants in S1 E2, he made it sounds like Lokis are capable of being very unique in their variants. I think I may do a vid on this specific topic, as you aren't the first to ask about it.

[@ciancat]

I'm still fuzzy on how the temporal loom refines raw time together (presumably from empty space?) and is also a flat circle. We see the loom, and we have seen the circle... Did I miss something fundamental here?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

My theory is that the void is the end of the circle, where all of existence ends, but is then converted into raw time by Alioth and sent back into the loom once again to start all over. So using scientific terms for the beginning and end of the universe for HWR's circle of time, Alioth is the big crunch which destroys everything and the loom is the big bang that starts it all over again. All just a theory at this point, though. Hopefully we get a firm answer by season's end!

[@madhavgupta2002]

i have heard that there is a sacred timeline for each universe so every universe has its own sacred timeline and they are parallel to each other but if any other decision is made, it creates branched timeline and if there are many branched timelines they will intersect to each other create disturbance. And also there are different TVA of every universe and council of kangs is not of different timelines but of different universe if the 616 branches then its branches can connect to the universes other than 616 which the 3 kangs sees through their window in the ep 6 of s1, kang says that he isolated 616 which means separated from rest of the universes (838 etc.)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think all of those theories make sense. I'd be down for them to head that direction. I still do wonder, however, how we got separate universes, if everything came from the same big bang. Maybe each universe had it's own big bang? I hope they do explain that point for us, but otherwise, everything you said works perfectly. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on the episode. Really appreciate it!

[@AllyGirl-hg2sb]

I saw that some people think general dox is a future version of Sylvie and that x5 is loki and Sylvie's son which would somehow explain why they touched heads in episode 1 which i honestly don't believe that at all. When I saw that I was like I dont think so because if that's true and x5 is Loki's son Loki just tortured his own son which is kind of messed up, so I don't think that theory is true. I don't think that general dox is an older sylvie because dox just pruned branches and innocent lives which is the total opposite of what Sylvie wanted. So I just don't think that general dox is an older sylvie. That's just my personal opinion. Loki really cares about and loves Sylvie he didn’t want her to leave.😭 The renunion of Loki and Sylvie wasn’t the renuinion I thought would happen, but okay. I thought that man in white was a manikin or something cause he didn't move and seemed emotionless.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm with you...I don't think Dox is an older Sylvie and I don't think X-5 is Loki and Sylvie's son. I could imagine X-5 being Dox's son, but I don't think Dox is Sylvie. I've also heard theories that the kid at McDonalds is a younger Mobius, but I don't think that works either. I'm hoping Loki and Sylvie do get back together by the end, but I agree, it won't be right away at this point. And yeah, that dude it white was so strange. He could indeed be a manikin, considering how little he moved!

[@JulianRog]

I know this has probably been answered, but where does Sylvie come from. Like, how is there a female Loki, and an alligator Loki, and all of the other Loki's? Are they from another universe, or from a branch? Also, I can't wait to see what Mobius' life was like before the TVA, I really want them to dive deep into his character.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question on Sylvia/Alligator Loki/Old Loki, etc. I assume they had to originate from 616, as they must have been pruned from a branch that came from the 616 timeline or they wouldn't be in the void that is part of the sacred timeline. So I'm guessing that a branch formed earlier enough in the 616 timeline that the enough differences existed over time to result in a female Loki, alligator Loki, and so on. But that's just my guess. Oh, and yeah, will be fun to see what Mobius' life was like on the sacred timeline. Some are guessing we are seeing a younger Mobius in those scenes with Sylvie, but that seems abit out there for me. But it will indeed be fun when we do get some confirmation of what his life was like.

[@Volvagia0slayer]

I think the Kingo poster was just an old poster in Loki that was up on the theater as set dressing, so to speak, to make it feel more like a theater. It wasn't advertising a new movie but rather a classic movie, maybe one that premiered at this theater. If X-5 is a variant of Brad Wolfe, I would think that Brad was just a relatively unknown actor who suddenly became very famous and then mysteriously disappeared after the Zaniac premiere in 1977. X-5 killed or pruned the original Brad and then lived out the rest of Brad's life in a way that matched, as far as time is concerned, the real Brad's life, up to and including his disappearance at the Zaniac premiere. But I honestly think it's more likely that he just made up the Brad Wolfe character, and he had always time traveled to some years before 1977, made up the Brad Wolfe character, and lived out his life there until 1977, which is why it's all a part of the Sacred Timeline. He didn't alter history; he just (probably unknowingly) fulfilled it. That fits with the time travel rules established in Endgame and reinforced in Loki, Agents of SHIELD, and Ms. Marvel. I completely agree with you on Marvel really needing to explain how universes become their own things if they all originate from the same origin point. Right now the only thing that kind of makes sense to me is that the Infinity Stone Big Bang just created a bunch of unconnected universes, but that doesn't explain why both 616 and 838 have their own sets of Infinity Stones. So it's not a clean explanation by any means, and I hope we get something in the future that will make the explanation cleaner.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback! Yeah, I think I also prefer that X-5 created the Brad Wolfe character himself. I think that fits with his personality to do something like that and it works better in the overall storyline. And good call on the Kingo poster. I'd prefer to think of it as an older poster, as that works better in the chronology for his movies. As for universes and timelines, I may have an idea brewing on that...more to follow on that soon. But yeah, it has been really confusing, tbh!

[@robangus7575]

Loki is one of the few shows that Marvel could keep going forever as basically their Doctor Who. I expect we will see Thor and Loki meet in either Avengers: The Kang Dynasty or Avengers: Secret Wars but afterwards just keep the characters around in their own arc. On the other hand if they want to connect it closely to the other characters, they could have Loki take over the role that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. tried to do but failed due lack of interest from the film side, which is serve as the background for the MCU and since Loki is outside of time, it would make more sense for the others to not know about his contributions then it did with Phil Coulson, a man who the original Avengers saw as a friend

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good analogy with Dr. Who. Yeah, this show definitely has Dr. Who vibes. And I do wonder what the next journey for Loki will be. I suspect he will warn the other heroes of the coming of Kang and may even help lead the fight in Secret Wars. Will be alot of fun to see where things go after this season!

[@robangus7575]

@@AbitofEverything4U At one point in the comics, Loki retires as the God of Mischief and takes on the role of the God of Stories. There is one theory I saw that said Loki would take over as the head of the TVA at the end of season 2 like He Who Remains suggested he do at the end of season 1. Maybe, they could use that to do the God of Stories stuff

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I could definitely see him taking over the TVA in the end. And that comic storyline sounds cool...God of Stories sounds interesting.

[@roliv16]

I still feel like there’s a missing episode between the first and second as a lot of stuff has come out of nowhere. If there had been an episode, we could have had more set up and mystery around the bombing and the episode wouldn’t have to have such a sudden opening: I liked how in S1 each episode took place right after the previous.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it was pretty jarring to jump right into episode 2. I suspect they did it to keep the pace moving fast but also to keep it a mystery as to how X-5 managed to re-enter the sacred timeline and assume his original life (or assume a new one, if Brad never existed). But I agree with you that I still think I would have preferred seeing some of that happen, rather than jumping right in like that.

[@MatthewKKwan122]

Hope Loki become the leader of tva

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that just seems such a natural progression for his character. Nice call!

[@luke2max]

Is there a chance that a brad Wolfe existed in a different time period? Or maybe he just went back to the universe he was taken from? But yea the sacred timeline thing is tough

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good theories. Yeah, I think it was intentional that they didn't tell us what happened with X-5 as they want it to be a mystery how someone could return to the sacred timeline...if that's even what he did. Can't wait to learn what's really going on with that!

[@hallroney]

kang did not made the original branching of the universe, he discovered it. It was already there, it seems to be the nature of the multiverse. It s in the dialogue of the finale of the first season

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I'm beginning to think each universe has it's own beginning and end (aka big bang and big crunch). I'm going to work on a vid for that as I think you are spot on!

[@hallroney]

@@AbitofEverything4U it s the same dialogue you quoted in one the loki prep videos, he says he “discovered there were another worlds on top of his”

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...that makes a ton of sense!

[@vinhluu3950]

You know Loki truly loves Sylvie when he didn't say anything about the mullet

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yes, that is the definition of true love!

[@ciancat]

I wonder if the temporal aura needed isn't a Kang variant... Nothing has specifically stated that, right?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! It said the Temporal Aura of the one that built it, so you may be onto something there!

[@fatherpie7014]

So He-Who-Remains isolated the 616 timeline and created a loop, pretty straightforward I think. Now I wonder what Kang meant when he alluded to time being "broken"? Because he also shows what is presumably a different timeline also in a loop, unless it was 616?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good observation! I think both Kang and HWR had the same basic idea in mind, but Kang wanted to wipe out all of the other timelines as a solution while HWR chose to let everyone live, but isolated the timeline from them. So I suspect both had the some final goal, but a different way to get there. Let me know what you think!

[@Xripdeveion]

So kang chould teleport place qnd time instead of just place because the tva is about time so which means that there was a kang that died but the one from season 1 was given the pad but loki time slipped because of branching time lines am like saying that the pad worked but it doesn't work properly because of branches

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'm still not exactly sure how Kang/HWR's tempad works, but I agree, there is something very special about it and I suspect we'll get the answer as the season continues on!

[@marzman4]

I’m a little bit more curious about who OB was in the timeline and how kang found whom he was or if kang instilled all his knowledge into OB.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, OB is such a fascinating character. Can't wait to learn more about his past!

[@ManLikeGoodFilm]

For the Bombing location, in the real world it was filmed at the Chatham Dockyards in Kent , UK.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, how cool! I loved my 6 week adventure in the UK. Such a wonderful place to visit (and to live, I suspect)!

[@Jansenbaker]

I find it odd that Mobius doesn't want to know where he came from, since, right before he was pruned in S1, he said to Ravonna, "You know where I'd go, if I could go anywhere? Wherever it is I'm really from. Heh, maybe I had a Jetski." Now he's afraid to know. It's not that big a deal, I'm just confused. Also, I can't quite wrap my head around why Sylvie is mad at Loki, beyond trying to stop her. I thought after the way they parted, that she was more sad at losing him than angry. Maybe it's a defense mechanism, just closing off from him. Anyway, I thought it interesting that she jumped at the suggestion that her branch was threatened. She immediately went to "Tell me what you know!" , but mentally. So if she comes to think the TVA needs her help saving everything, & her new life is still in danger, I can see that being her motivation to leave home for now. And I like Loki & Mobius working together to make Brad think he's really in danger. A (seemingly) vengeful guy that (seemingly) doesn't know how to work a torture device can unnerve almost anyone, and they built up to it perfectly, chipping away at his assurance.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good feedback! I wonder if Mobius said what he said to Renslayer in anger with the situation, but now that he could actually find out about his life, he's nervous to do so. Just a guess, but that could explain it. As for Sylvie, I think she's still mad that Loki didn't agree with her about how to deal with He Who Remains, because she didn't trust Loki then and doesn't trust him now. And I agree, she's definitely only interested in saving her new home. Otherwise, she would have nothing to do with any of them, I suspect. Thanks for all the great commentary on the episode!

[@Benjamin-kx6nr]

We got a better show of Loki using his powers than ever😭

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...it was great to see Loki really cut loose this episode!

[@SchellShocker79]

I bet that the tempads have been modified with “the ways to not create a new Kang” so that he can live on the sacred timeline without creating a branch, even though he is not supposed to be there

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a cool idea! Yeah, I'm really interested to know what he changed on that tempad!

[@Xripdeveion]

In season 1 episode 6 the timelines started branching before they kill kang that means its a another reason why it started branching. In the past where b15 and Mobius were standing by the screen that was overloading with branches. Kang didnt earse there mind they all died and were revived by kang and for ob i think he worked with kang and kang needed him so he didn't let him die this is just a guess i might be right great video 🎉

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, good point about B15 and Mobius watching that uncontrolled branching in the past and how the reason for that has yet to be explained. I think your theory could make alot of sense on that and it would be wild if they actually died. I do think that in the present time period, it was Mobius and B15 authorizing the branches to no longer be pruned that resulted in the branching we saw in Season 1, Episode 6. And that's why HWR didn't know what would happen next. He never had a situation where the TVA basically quit doing their job like that. So the future at that point was unknown to him. At least, that's my guess. Thx so much for sharing all your theories. Love reading what fellow fans are guessing happens next!

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

I have a Theory that loki started time slipping because he was at the START of the timeline for the TVA and the END at the same time just one level above it. but like a VHS he's recording over a tape that was already recorded on.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that theory! Thanks for sharing it!

[@Celebok]

Initially I thought X-5 simply went to some random time on the sacred timeline and just started living the life he wanted, but it didn't really occur to me to question how that would even be possible. I agree that this is something that will soon be revealed, so it's best kept a mystery for now, but it's a pretty interesting thing to ponder. I think an equally important question here is, WHY did he specifically go to the sacred timeline to live his chosen life? If all he wanted to do was just live some random new life, he could've just done that on a branched timeline, like Sylvie did. Maybe there was something about the sacred timeline's Brad Wolfe that somehow allowed him to slip into that life, with the help of the modified tempad. Or is it just because he knew that the TVA was going to bomb all the branches? But if he knew that, and if he'd had contact with Sylvie, why didn't Sylvie know that her branch was going to be bombed? I think we still need to see just what happened between X-5 and Sylvie, because he obviously knew where to find her, but for some reason refused to tell Mobius and Loki, it took Loki threatening to crush him in a weird box for X-5 to give up Sylvie's location, and he was afraid of encountering Sylvie again. I highly suspect that he wasn't just afraid of Sylvie because she had killed a bunch of TVA agents, but because Sylvie was about to learn about something he'd done, like he'd betrayed her in some way. Hopefully we'll find out soon. Anyway, great video, as always! I loved seeing all the easter eggs pointed out that I totally wouldn't have noticed otherwise!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theories on X-5 and his situation. I agree, I don't think we know enough to have our answer, but I do think it's a mystery that will continue to be unpacked as the series goes along. Love this series so far. Can't wait for the next episode to drop!

[@samkornreich]

7:40 Kingo is an eternal though? Didn't he just say that was his great-great-grandfather when it was just him? He's thousands of years old

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, good point...I probably didn't ask my question very well. Kingo is indeed the one appearing in each of those movies and pretending to be his ancestors...but I was just surprised he would be pretending to be his great-great-grandfather in a movie that was out only 50 years ago. It seems to imply each "ancestor" was only in the movie business for a decade or so. Hope that makes more sense. Sorry for not explaining my question better in the vid!

[@samkornreich]

@@AbitofEverything4U True, it’s most likely just an error by the production team but I feel like they should be on top of that

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...seemed odd to me, too...although I did hear an interesting thought that perhaps the movie took awhile to come to the UK as it was a Bollywood movie. So it could be it was released in India several years earlier?

[@Scotty2Hotty4]

To answer your question since all this ties to the mcu… maybe x5 was swapped like Rhodes (skrull related ).. not likely… slyvie could’ve used magic on x5 although not sure.. or this goes back OB.. either way that may not be addressed at all… However Loki has actually helped whoever Is to come at the end of all this because they haven’t done much… Victor Timely won’t be used like we think but I hope I’m wrong.. used meaning we won’t be able to connect anything to Antman…. I wish they would’ve stuck to the plan because what was the point. I loved Quantumania but things are truly shooken up…

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, i agree, there's alot in flux right now, but I do have high hopes that it all dovetails together by the end of the series. Will be very interesting to see how Victor Timely comes into play in the next episode. I like your theories on X-5, btw, and I hope we get answers to that mystery as well. Can't wait for the next episode to drop soon!

[@AsherGrace7]

I'm not so sure that Brad/X-5 is bloodthirsty enough to prune his non variant self (if there was a Brad here). Like you said, his modded tempad probably has the answers.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...seems pretty aggressive for him to kill his non-variant self, so I suspect we need to wait for the answer to arrive! Excellent point!

[@SeanWheeler100]

Or maybe X-5 was the original Brad from the Sacred Timeline and he actually returned home? A lot of shady stuff going on in the TVA, it wouldn't be that surprising that the agents were not variants as previously assumed but Sacred Timeline people all along!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@SeanWheeler100Not a bad theory!

[@culchiefilms1791]

maybe the branches only become universes after they pass the red line, and since the TVA usually prunes before that, they are named and labelled as branches of 616. If the TVAs goal is to keep 616 isolated. they aren't going to start naming their branches '838' etc

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a definitely possibility and your theory is in fact what I thought would be the answer for quite awhile...however, we see in this episode that the branches have passed the red line and yet are still numbered as 616, so that sorta ruins my theory. But, I think I've finally got a solid theory on how it works, based on the new clues from this episode. I'm going to try to do a vid on it in the next few days. And thx so much for sharing your theories as well. It's such an interesting mystery...love this series!

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

this show is awesome, im gonna be busy next friday with Loki, Werewolf By Night and the new mario game

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...that's quite the Friday in store for you. Sounds like fun!

[@bizzybrown8372]

This is great . What a time ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love this season so far!

[@bizzybrown8372]

I wonder if the Sony Spider-Man movies and the Fox Marvel movies take places inside or outside the sacred timeline .

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I really hope they are inside the sacred timeline. I like that alot better!

[@bizzybrown8372]

@@AbitofEverything4U if they are I assume there would have to be fulcrum mechanics involved to create the vastly different appearance in some variants or maybe that was explained in season 1 . I mean Sylvie is from a branch that would have created he who remains but why is she a woman and why did she aspire to be a hero ? I got the frost giant variants and the variants where Loki was plucked from different iterations of the universe . I guess if events branch off far enough in the past that can describe how someone who looks different or lives on a different planet than the OG or baseline that can alter things drastically . Like Peggy Carter is STILL Peggy Carter. She’s not a female Steve . She’s a female Captain America. I might be thinking too hard about this. Lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

No, I agree...it is really weird to imagine things could be so different to give us an alligator loki, but I think you nailed it...the timeline branched early enough so that things were different enough to eventually give us a female loki and an alligator. Wild stuff!

[@matthewa441]

I think X5 found his best variant life, pruned that version and assumed the role. He did have a time stick.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that would be an ironic twist, since X-5 himself was a variant that was pruned. I sorta hope you are right about that. That's a wild turn of events if so!

[@girlwithoutafairy]

When i was watching the episode, I got the feeling that Dox's ideology was eerily similar to Thanos's. In my opinion, what she did was far far more catastrophic than the snap.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...yeah, Dox may well have killed more life with those bombs than Thanos killed with his snap. Pretty insane to think of it that way!

[@lucagz6481]

The idea of the Sacred Timeline is that the Braches are all weaved together by the Loom, so I would guess X-5 simply eliminated Brad Wolfe and took his place, causing a minor divergence similar to Sylvie being born a girl and Classic Loki surviving Thanos and living on an isolated planet, what we saw here is the visual proof that a "significant change" needs to happen in order for a Branch to form outside of the "sacred path". Leaving that out, I was surprised they DID labeled the Branches using the "BRANCH 616.****.*****" code, I theorized something like that on a previous video of yours, I'm so happy they finally did it to differenciate Timelines from Universes. I know you use the "They all have the same origin point", but my guess is that simply, the Multiverse originates by a series of different Big Bangs happening all at once.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree...I'm really glad they used the 616 labeling for the branches, as that did indeed answer our question on the difference between a timeline and a universe. Excellent job coming up with that theory! I am indeed still torn on how we get separate universes, but I'm starting to wonder if it's due to there being more than one big bang, as you suggest. I don't really like that answer, but I don't know how else to explain it at this point. And yeah, I'm really anxious to know how X-5 got into the sacred timeline, but I like your theory on that as well. Love this series so far. Can't wait for the next episode to drop!

[@lucagz6481]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think the "Butterfly Effect" video with Miss Minutes unswares the Brad Wolfe dilemma: if X-5 did kill (or most likely pruned) the "original" Brad Wolfe and lived his actual life, than maybe the branch that was formed got immediatly "reseted" by X-5 carrying on Brad's life, similarly to how Cap brought back the Infinity Stones in their timelines, even if certain changes stil occurred because the stones were mostly without their containers

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That is a fascinating theory....I like that alot!

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

I have a question, and an answer. Why didn't Kang just end himself if he needed to be "deleted" to restart the circle? Is it because it's a choice? Would that have made a branch?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting question...perhaps HWR wasn't brave enough to kill himself, and ofc he also wanted someone to take over, if they were willing. So I suspect his hope was that Loki and Sylvie would run the TVA. But if they refused, he was okay with dying and starting it all over again, but it wasn't his preference. That's my theory at least. Excellent question...wonder if they will give us more insight into HWR's plans in the last two episodes?

[@gingerJay]

still really hoping to see that loki and thor reunion. also hoping we hear that the zaniac fought thor at some point, maybe in a different timeline, just like in the comics

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I can't wait to see Thor and Loki reunited. That will be amazing!

[@KrazyStylez09]

Im calling it now. One of those events arent gonna happen. We saw it , loki got pruned but they said they werent gonna prune anymore. So when loki gets to the elevator , he knows sylvie isnt there this time so hes gonna pick up the phone instead to hear kang tell him to dodge to see that morbius was the one who pruned loki - not to save his own skin from ripping but to keep loki from figuring out that morbious is the illusion . Morbious is living his life - he was never taken - he is on the ski, the one who took his "variant" look was a variant himself - Kang the conqueror.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiice! Okay, so if all that happens then you deserve a huge prize for calling it. I'll be eagerly awaiting to see it all unfold in front of our eyes in the weeks ahead!

[@SuperCeleste007]

But also the fact that something that you don’t need clear is that it’s obvious that that’s Kingo just him saying that his great grandfather, because he doesn’t want people to know that he can live forever

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I think that's definitely why he said that, since Kingo pretends to be all of them...but I was also wondering if someone's great-great-grandfather would be making movies if it was only 50 years in the past. It seems like it would be his great-grandfather instead?

[@SuperCeleste007]

Maybe Sanborn around this time then has a kid whose dad has a kid in the 90s who then becomes the current Kingo although maybe let’s just say the 70s one is in like his Great grandfather is in his early 60s his grandfather is in his 30s by the 1970s and has a kid in the around the same time Who is his dad you haves him in the mid 90s

[@SeanWheeler100]

We know from Ajax's line about five years that the Eternals are bad at math.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@SuperCeleste007Right...I suspect there's a way to make it work. Just seemed odd on the surface, but anything's possible with Marvel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@SeanWheeler100LOL...Indeed!

[@SuperCeleste007]

I think the Herbie Easter egg specifically being the second one is because this is the second season

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah...nice call...that would indeed be a clever reason to go with Herbie Rides Again!

[@Flowerr]

could X-5 have returned to the original branch he was taken from at the moment he was taken so no branch was made?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting! Yeah, that's an angle I hadn't considered. I really do hope they tell us how X-5 did what he did, as it sets the path in motion for the other TVA agents to return if they would like to. Excellent theory...thx so much for sharing it!

[@KrazyStylez09]

I feel like the mind stone didnt work on tony , because of tonys mind and not because of the arc reactor. Loki couldnt used it somewhere besides the chest but he didnt because he knew it wouldnt work on such a strong mind. Hence why he didnt use it on thor - thor has resistence to mind tricks but wanda can bypass all power levels or hacks.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theory! That would be really cool if that's why it didn't work on Tony!

[@KrazyStylez09]

@@AbitofEverything4U well i feel it would of worked on any one else but tony. Even on strange , even on spidey. Even on reed. But no evidence to support that lol. Thanks for the reply

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@KrazyStylez09 Nah, it's totally the arc reactor. If Loki knew that someone like Thor wouldn't be affected, he wouldn't be so confused about why it's not working on Tony. Loki wasn't familiar with the tech in Tony's heart, so he didn't understand why Tony didn't fall under his control. I bet he could have already taken control of some armored Asgardians, so he was so sure that light in Tony's chest that looked decorative to him couldn't stop him, but the mind stone only works on organic hearts and not cyborg hearts.

[@KrazyStylez09]

thats why i said that loki could have touched tonys human parts like his head to use the stone on him but he didnt do that . tony still has a heart under that arc reactor. he needs one to pump blood all over his body. it didnt work on him because of his mind , he was confused himself as to why it didnt work on him. @@SeanWheeler100

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@KrazyStylez09 Yeah, it's hard to know one way or another, but I do think your theory is interesting.

[@man.itz.ashton]

i would pay top dollar for that TVA hand book!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I need that thing so badly!

[@julianortiz5712]

Overall, I liked the episode! Not as much as the first one, but still really enjoyable. I do agree with what you said of it having an Interesting pace, and like you said, it felt like we missed something. Even as a die-hard MCU fan, I found myself a bit confused at the beginning, but I eventually got it. I feel like there could be a bunch of explanations for Kingo's film being there in the 70s. It could be that it's a rescreening of the film, it could be what you said about low life expectancies, or it could even be that because it's a Bollywood film, it took longer to reach mainstream Hollywood audiences. Especially in the 70s, I feel like that explanation could work. I did love the Phone Ranger reference, even if I missed it while watching the episode. I feel like they referenced him because he's one of those Marvel characters who's memed a lot and has never gotten a reference or easter egg (unlike some of the ridiculous Marvel Comics characters, who have been referenced, usually in the Guardians films). Relating to X-5, if he assumed this new persona (created it from scratch, no Brad Wolfe before him), that would mean the original version of himself from the sacred timeline (be it that his name is or isn't Brad Wolfe, he still exists), and since X-5 turned himself into a world famous actor, I'd like to think the original one from the Sacred Timeline probably saw this rising star and thought :"Hm, this kinda looks like me", so I think he must've either killed his original self or taken over his body, which... both are kinda disturbing. I also loved the TVA stuff from this episode. Loved O.B. and Casey's bromance, and O.B. is a one-liner machine. One detail I liked is that the pie room they ate at serves only pie. Literally walls and walls of pie. Makes me wonder if they have other rooms for different food. And Mobius was also amazing. Can't wait for it to be revealed that on the sacred timeline, he was actually a JetSki salesman. Or imagine if he's actually the inventor of the JetSki, that'd be crazy. Finally, the guy in white was strange, I don't know what that's about. Will it tie into the future? Who knows? But I'm excited for episode 3, I think this might be the one where we get to see our first Kang variant in the form of Victor Timely, and I frankly can't wait.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback on the episode and the vid. I think your Kingo suggestion that the movie took awhile to come to the UK makes alot of sense. Nice call. I'm equally torn on what makes the most sense for X-5 returning to the sacred timeline, but no matter what the answer is, it does sound like something morbid happened to his non-variant self. OB rocks and I can't wait to see Timely appearing. Such a great series...anxiously awaiting the next episode!

[@janedoe1787]

Love the mullet, she really pulls it off.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr...she is rockin' it!

[@ThePatchedVest]

24:15 - The sacred timeline becoming exposed to the rest of the Multiverse… you mean like Tobey, Andrew and Tom (Hardy)’s universes? 😉 I agree with the concept that Loki is the first post-Endgame project chronologically and Phase 4-5 happen after it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Boy, isn't that the big question...I still don't know what to think about Tobey, Andrew and Venom's universes. I could see them being offshoot branches of 616 and thus they have always been in the sacred timeline but when the loom quit working it caused chaos and started pulling things from other branches. But I could also imagine they are unique universes and the loom shutting down allowed the incursions we saw in No Way Home. Hopefully they will start assigning numbers to each universe and then we'll know for sure. Either way, I think you are 100% correct that the end result of Loki Season 2 will be the rest of Phases 4-6. Can't wait to see where things go from here!

[@MattPerk7]

Kind of a wild theory that there is no way to prove at this point, we'll just find out if I'm right or wrong, but I feel like we've already met Mobius on the timeline. There is just something about the mannerisms and speech patterns of that Jack kid working at McDonald's that really reminds me of Mobius and I really have to wonder if that's him at a younger age.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wait, so young Mobius was hitting on Sylvie? Seriously though, I do have to wonder. That kids gotten alot of air time so far. You may be onto something there!

[@persephone342]

The name “Jack” means Supplanter. Interesting stuff in the names of the characters. Bradley (open meadow, or open minded, fair, wants both sides before making a decision, sounds a lot like Mobius. Wolf or Fenris. Mobius is the symbol on the ground of the TVA that the monitor hit. It’s 180 degree object with a flat side. As an abstract topological space, the Möbius strip can be embedded into three-dimensional Euclidean space in many different ways: a clockwise half-twist is different from a counterclockwise half-twist, and it can also be embedded with odd numbers of twists greater than one, or with a knotted centerline. Any two embeddings with the same knot for the centerline and the same number and direction of twists are topologically equivalent. All of these embeddings have only one side, but when embedded in other spaces, the Möbius strip may have two sides. It has only a single boundary curve. Ouruborus is the ⭕️ of infinity. Which is tied to one of Loki’s children too. Any of the variants could have had kids.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@persephone342 Interesting information...thanks so much for sharing it!

[@graybutsuperwhite7949]

So, they need a Kang variant to come and provide the correct temporal aura in order to access the blast doors…. Enter Victor Timely who we know will be brought to the TVA because of his shots in the trailer… but something has got to backfire on them

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think things are perfectly set up for Timely's entrance...and I also agree that something is going to go terribly wrong...it always does, eh? lol!

[@krzyszwojciech]

Ah, initially I forgot while watching that Brad was on the sacred timeline. That makes sense now. I was wondering why he would go and live a life on a timeline while knowing it might be destroyed.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree...I didn't get the significance of that at first, but it does make alot of sense when you put it all together. Such a great series with such fantastic writing!

[@SeanWheeler100]

I wonder if X5 could have been the original Brad Wolfe from the Sacred Timeline? Wouldn't that be a neat twist to reveal that the TVA agents weren't variants from pruned branches but people who He Who Remains kidnapped from the Sacred Timeline? Like maybe He Who Remains was that scared of variants that he would just kill them all and only take people from the Sacred Timeline that he thinks would be useful to the TVA?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@SeanWheeler100 Fascinating theory!

[@krzyszwojciech]

@@SeanWheeler100 Sounds like a neat possibility.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@krzyszwojciechIndeed!

[@vservo1149]

Since episode one they have shown the scared time line as a circle. So lets not think we have fogured anything out there lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...but what I hadn't ever mentioned is how both OB and Mobius' names were hints to that and I've had a few comments from people bringing it up. So I figured I should add it in the vid to be official. But yeah, I agree, that's been hinted at since the beginning...which is really cool!

[@bizzybrown8372]

Well if you apply the matrix simulation mechanics to what’s presented so far < in LOKI I think we can surmise the timeline can be “hacked” and Kang is like the “ROOT” or “ADMINISTRATOR” of the simulation . Simplifies most of this . I like how Loki keeps saying “it’s complicated” because it’s not THAT complicated . Lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I agree...lots of elements of the Matrix in this series. I think that's a great analogy!

[@bizzybrown8372]

@@AbitofEverything4U Loki and Sylvie represent the blue and red pill scenario

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Exactly!

[@tobyydb1360]

I really loved the first two episodes, I think I love it more than season 1. But am I the only one (I haven’t watched the entire video yet) that thinks Ouroborus is kinda suspicious?? Really excited for the next one!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I've seen a decent number of people wondering if somethings up with OB. I think we definitely need to keep an eye on him, but at this point I'm not sure if I think he's got ulterior motives or not. Will be interesting to see where things go from here with his character!

[@tobyydb1360]

@@AbitofEverything4U I’m not so sure either, but the way he acts in some scenes is strange to me. I hope he becomes a friend instead of a foe. I really like him. But he knows stuff…

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...it's going to be interesting to see what they do with him as the series goes on. i just hope he stays a friend...I love him so much!

[@rubixmann]

The exact nature of “the threshold” is still a mystery to me, but I personally can’t see B-15 and Mobius’s order to stop pruning as being the event itself. I’m fairly sure that order came _after_ the branches started going crazy, right before the scene of them watching the chronomonitor, which they cut to straight from Sylvie killing HWR, way after the threshold happens. Their lines about “no turning back” are in reference to that order yes, but if the order was “the threshold” event itself, wouldn’t that imply HWR specifically scripted that for them, being such a critical event? (Side note, I think it’s quite likely HWR doesn’t script literally every word and action of trillions of beings across all of time, but certainly the important events he wants/needs to happen.) Which I suppose is possible, or it could be an off-script/Nexus event, but I think it’s far more likely he just scripted a dramatic thunderclap to signal the end of his script. Depending on how far “in advance” (whatever that means in non-linear time) he scripts things, he may not remember the last thing he wrote for himself or Loki/Sylvie to say, so the thunderclap may also serve as an auditory cue/reminder for himself. What’s not clear to me is why the script ending would cause the timeline to immediately branch like crazy. I suppose the implication is that the lack of a script gave free will and an infinitude of decisions could now be freely made. But the very existence of Nexus events and variants means going “off-script” was always possible. So did that just happen (causing branches) far less frequently with the script present? What controlled the probability of being able to go off-script? Or is this related to my idea that HWR doesn’t actually script everything, and that that part of Ms Minutes’s video was also propaganda? I think seeing what caused the crazy branching in the past TVA could shed a lot of light. Perhaps it was just a random spike? But the line “does he want us to just let them all branch?” suggests whichever Kang was openly in charge of the TVA at the time had something to do with that event, perhaps even causing it. Maybe he was incapacitated in some way and temporarily couldn’t write the script, nor give orders on what to do.

[@rubixmann]

By this logic, the death of HWR only “caused” the crazy branching insofar as he could no longer write more of the script for things still unscripted. But he didn’t _have_ to die, he could’ve also just decided to stop writing, which he technically did do for the very last bit including Loki and Sylvie’s fight.

[@rubixmann]

Regarding the modifications to X-5’s TemPad, my interpretation by the end of the episode was that it was just the necessary hacks needed to pull off Gen. Dox’s prune-bombing plan, which seems to involve using (presumably many) modified TemPads, and X-5 just made off (to be Brad) with his after it was already modified. I couldn’t tell for sure if she was using/controlling multiple from her control panel, but I would assume so. I did just rewatch the part in S1E2 where Sylvie pulls off her grand reverse-bombing plan, and it’s true she only needed one modified/rigged TemPad, presumably the one she originally stole. But Dox’s plan seems to be on a far larger scale judging by how many troops she took in E1 and the sheer number of branches she needed to prune compared to how many Sylvie caused. Or Sylvie is just smarter, which would make Loki’s struggling look even worse haha. I was honestly rather disappointed they immediately took the TemPad from Casey, never giving him a chance to look at it. I was expecting him to figure out what the modifications did and for *him* (not X-5) to be the one warning them of Dox’s impending attack. But alas, hopefully they didn’t go with that only because they’re saving Casey’s moment to shine with his tech knowledge for an even more critical moment!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Lots of great feedback. Thanks for taking the time to write it all out. As for the threshold, my guess is HWR scripted things to the point where the TVA gave the order to stop pruning. I think he knew Mobius would return and would give that order, along with B-15. So I still think that was the threshold and that once they stopped pruning, he didn't know what would happen next. We probably can't trust the timing of the cuts in S1 E6, as they intentionally fooled us with how we thought Loki went to an alternate TVA. But I do think they cleared up the threshold with the knowledge that Mobius and B-15 gave the order for the pruning to stop. But just my 2 cents. We'll have to see if they give us a more firm answer as the series progresses. I think the crazy branching was less about HWR death, and more about the fact that no one was running the TVA and in fact the TVA had stopped doing it's job (i.e. pruning) and so things were going nuts, which of course hosed the loom in Season 2. Interesting theories on X-5's tempad. I don't know what to think about that, but I agree with you that I hope Casey is allowed to figure it out, as I suspect it's something important. Again, many thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Love reading what fellow fans are thinking about the series so far!

[@rubixmann]

Unrelated to this episode but following on from my comment on the 10 TVA lies video, I also thought of another reference point that could help us figure out the chronology (or at least check the consistency) of TVA’s internal timeline: Sylvie herself. We know she was arrested as a child, aged around say 10 in Asgardian/Frost Giant years (Thor and Loki are shown to grow up at about the same rate). According to MCU wiki, Loki was born in 965 AD, and we can assume she was too. That makes her and Loki a bit over 1,000 human years old in the series, which equals about 40 Asgardian years, based on Tom and Sophia’s real-life ages. Based on Loki’s line “give or take 5,000 years” in Thor 2, in response to Odin reminding him and Thor that they’re not immortal, Asgardians (the royals at least) live about 5,000 years on average, so being 1,000 years old makes sense. We have to assume regular Earth years are the years meant by OB/Mobius/TVA dating system, otherwise nothing makes sense. Using simple proportions, if Sylvie has been running from and evading the TVA for 40-10=30 Asgardian years, that would be about 750 human/regular/TVA years! Even though it’s an unfathomable (for us puny humans) amount to time to spend hiding (thinking of it as 30 years is easier but still awful), the arrest being 750 years ago does check out for me. We know Renslayer was a Hunter then, so there was probably at least one “reset” before the ~400-years-ago scene when Mobius and B-15 have their current positions, and presumably Renslayer was also a judge. And there must've been another reset that replaced Kang with the fake Time Keepers before our present era. I do have to wonder, why was Renslayer ever a Hunter at all, if we know from the tape that HWR/Kang wanted them to lead together. MCU Wiki page on Asgardians does mention “Asgardians age as humans do for the first 20-or-so years of their lives. Upon reaching early adulthood, they begin to age much more slowly.” But I don’t see any reference for that claim, and I personally feel that makes much less sense than if they always age proportionally more slowly, and live proportionally longer (5,000 human years would be like 200 Asgardian years) because of better resiliency to disease and injury. If we assume that, Sylvie would be running for basically 1,000 years, potentially contradicting the margarita memory, so I like my timeline better.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that makes alot of sense. I could imagine her running all that time and it helps further explain her hatred of the TVA. Great analysis!