Long Term Review - 37s on a Gen2 Raptor

Last video in the series as we do a long term update of running 37s on the raptor.
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[@rickeyb450]

37s look really good but you confirmed it for me brother, I’ll keep her stock. Thank you for the video.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Your welcome. Thanks for watching

[@Alexander450R]

Very informative. Thanks for the HD upload too.

[@gregray1171]

Thanks!! I will keep my 35's for now. I really appreciate the no bs content you provide keep it up.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man

[@calebross3346]

Great info, great channel. Thanks!

[@xaoc25]

Incredibly useful information. thank you much

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Your welcome and thanks for watching

[@johnvaras1764]

Great video. So much great info!!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks

[@davejordan2337]

Once again another awesome video. I agree 100%. With the rubbing I have seen with the stock beadlock wheels on the 35" KO2'S.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man for the pictures of the 35s rubbing.

[@davejordan2337]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad And that is not a one time occurrence for me. Which tells me I need to upgrade the suspension or settle down some. Guess I am buying more stuff

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

It never ends

[@duncanmarriott2052]

100% agree - add whipple kit and all the pep comes back. 100+ mph all day & pulls like a train

[@tcr2237]

Nice vid man. Agree with you on that for sure.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man. It’s an unpopular opinion so glad to have some support

[@sleepyta]

This seals the deal for me. Almost due for tires and if you'd asked me 6 months ago I would've said 100% was gonna go with 37's. Even after all the forum research. After watching your trimming videos, I decided to stay on 35's. This video confirms it. 35" KM3's coming up

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Glad we could help man. 37s are doable but the level of upgrades required is not always worth it. I think on 35s, the Gen2 is an awesome truck and will perform at its best

[@bdr6620]

I'll miss your vlogs about that Blue Gen2 . But i'll be very happy to see new vlogs and runs with the new Black Beast i wish u a safe full off happiness runs with it . 🦖🤘

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man

[@ericengelstadter3017]

Thank you! I will go on with 35s.🙏

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

lol. Right on man.

[@novoxcage]

I’m glad I ordered the 35s on my upcoming gen 3

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah, the 35in version will be the sportier truck.

[@PhilSexton]

Dang… the 37s look so good! Oh well, 35s it is.

[@jetskijay1955]

so glad you have the new og SVT raptor! this Raptor was a LEMON!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Me too man, So much happier with the new truck.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

My truck looks a little silly with +3 deavers and eibachs so I've wanted to get a larger tire. The only problem with that is I rub the fender liners with stock wheels and tires. I think my best bet is for a set of true 35s. The look of 37s will just always be so compelling. Also I think the gen 3 gets away with "37s" because the bfgs run undersized and are fairly light compared to other tires.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

The Gen3 did not even change the pinch welds so it’s the smaller tires and the limiting of up travel. You put the wheels out with 0 offset wheels and your ripping fenders off on the Gen3.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad that sucks, stuff like that is gonna give the raptor a bad name when city boys add wheels and true 37s to their truck and try to jump it then blame the truck when everything gets smashed

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

True. But those city boys that barely offroad are going to be the first to tell you Gen2s with 37s are fully functional without any trimming.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad with a rough country 2.5" spacer lift 😂

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yep 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. They are the main reason I did this video series

[@armenbabayan1950]

Good video Never had 37 Running 35 with Geiser my fenders is out with big gap like yours

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

35s is the best way to go on the Gen2.

[@Buy_My_Raptor]

The new rig should handle them with no complaints!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Agreed. Will be putting them on here next week!!

[@edmeyer4800]

3.0 fox factory adjustable race shocks you can run BFG 37s on factory rims no problem. HD Deaver +4 some guys run HD +6

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

That’s a good start, but you still have a lot of stock components that are going to need extra maintenance and will wear out quicker

[@edmeyer4800]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad you wanna upgrade the tie-rods, upper control arms, minimum.

[@Creezus__]

So would a mid travel kit with 35s look dumb? (I know mid travel requires +2 fenders) Or another way to frame the question- would it be a waste to upgrade to full mid/long travel and stay on 35s?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

No. My gen1 was as mid travel on 35s when I got it and ran great like that for years. In fact when I switched to 37s she got a bit sluggish. Main reason I run 37s is to have more between the truck and obstacles. I can roll over more stuff without issues on 37s. But I’m also ready for all the extra maintenance like early replacements of all the ball joints.

[@irvincerda2668]

Hey man, for someone who doesnt offroad their raptor and got a 2.5in front and 1in rear lift do u think ill be okay for just street driving?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Did you do a spring lift or a traditional lift? Even if your just street driving, changing the angle of the front CV shafts does reduce their life. So they will run up against each other and eventually fail early. Also ball joints will still see more stress so you will need to keep and eye on them.

[@drewzombiez]

I swear man, everytime I mention the Raptor and what it can do, I always mention this channel. You do great reviews on the Raptor man. Still sucks ass that Ford did what they did to you but, it's awesome to see you test the shit out of the Raptor and that in the beginning Ford was replacing stuff. I've been going back and forth with either going for the Gen 2 or the Gen 3. The only reason I would want the Gen 3 is to be able to run 37s stock and have to upgrade my suspension. Also like a few other things like the 5 link, bigger screen, automatic tailgate and I believe there may be one more thing but, I definitely prefer the Gen 2 look over the Gen 3 look. The Gen 2 looks more robust. I know, I always ask but, things always change and there's always new information. I'm pretty sure there's something new that popped up and made you order the TRX which there's definitely awesome things about it but, I feel like it's just too heavy for what it's supposed to be able to do. Seen a couple people break their shit already and they weren't even close to the way you handle your Raptor. Anyways, with the fact that I would only be going for the Gen 3 to be able to get the 37 model, would you say to go for it or just wait until the Gen 2s drop in price and get a Gen 2? I would rather not have the 37s if they can't perform like they should.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

If you plan to stay stock, the Gen3 will be a beast and my recommendation. Hard to beat warranty support on 37s. But upgrades will be a problem with the gen3. More electronics will cause issues and even doing 0 offset wheels will turn into a problem where fenders get ripped off. If you plan to go wild with a mid travel setup, Gen1 and 2 are better. You won’t get much for your money to mid travel a gen3. The only reason we did not place an order for a Gen3 is because Ford is monitoring this channel and is being very vindictive. We would not be able to get any warranty support on a Gen3 if we showed it on dirt or modified anything. With most system now being electronic, it’s not a good option for us.

[@drewzombiez]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad This really sucks man. I think this shit is ridiculous that they're doing this shit to you. I also don't want any other truck than the Raptor. I definitely plan on staying stock while going out on some trails. If I were to put a mid travel kit on the Gen 2 Raptor, would it be able to handle the 37s? If I did, I'd also be changing out the fenders to the wider Fiberwerx ones. The Gen 3 sounds good with the 5 things that I do like about it. I'm not a big fan of the front grill or how they designed the rear applique and I'm definitely not a fan at all of the new shifter they have in it. As I'm typing this, I feel like I'm leaning towards the Gen 2 now with the mid travel and wider fenders with 37s.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

There you go man. Just keep in mind the extra maintenance

[@Corbob71]

I’m on my 3rd set of 37’s on my 2014 Gen 1. The advice that I would give is look for the lightest 37” tire you can find. All 3 sets of mine have been around 69-73 lbs a piece. The 37x13.50 Nitto’s you ran were probably around 85-90 lbs. That is a HUGE difference in rotating mass! I had some 77 lb 37’s on my truck and hated it. The drag and gutless feeling of the motor was terrible. Unless you regear, my advice is stick to the lightest 37’s. BFG KO2’s, General ATX, and Cooper XLT are 3 of the lightest that I’ve found. Fun fact: my methods and 37’s are actually LIGHTER than the stock beadlock capable wheels with the stock 315 KO’s

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Wow, that’s good to know. But the KO2s are awful. They barely last with off-roading. Will definitely look into lighter tires

[@Corbob71]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yeah, I had the KO2’s first and then General ATX. Generals were much better. Just got the Maxxis RZR AT and love them so far. Look a lot like the nitto ridge grappler but only 72 lbs instead of 85! I’m very impressed with them so far!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

How’s the grip?

[@Corbob71]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I’ve only had them a few weeks, so haven’t had a chance to really test them but the little off-roading I’ve done, they felt great. On the road they’re quiet and very smooth. I’m really happy with them so far

[@Alexander450R]

I know you don't have this truck anymore, but at 4:00 and 4:20 you're pointing out rear tire contact on the driver-side towards the front and passenger-side towards the rear. This happens because of the way the shocks are mounted and allowed to rotate on their top mounting bolt. As the rear axel up-travels, it twists a little bit so that the driver-side will only hit the front and vice-versa. Fun fact: every Gen 2 Raptor will get the driver side to rub on complete compression. My truck was so bad that while I was slowly crawling sideways down a steep sanddune, I got so flexed out on that one tire that it RIPPED the metal liner and broke some of the plastic trim. STOCK at 5mph!!!!! Truck was a month old. I fought with Ford warranty and many dealerships for months and never got anything but the run around. Ford REFUSES to admit the problem.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah, lots don’t realize the 35s rub too, specially as you get closer to full tuck. Ford used to warranty that stuff, but now they deny anything that seems like offroad use or has any aftermarket components. Yet another reason I got rid of the truck. Had to rely heavily on the dealer to keep it running. On my Gen1 I can handle most fixes on my own.

[@ShelbyPaget]

Have you done a new video about the differences with the frame, rear strut mounts, shocks, trans tune and clearance for the gen 3's w/ 37 packages? I'm currently debating the 37PP gen 3 or a 35 setup and don't want to make any compromises. Please help let me know your insights!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I have a video up from the gen3 walkthrough that had the info your looking for. 2 videos. One is the walkthrough and the 2nd is my though. The only 2 Gen3 videos on the channel.

[@ShelbyPaget]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad okay I’ll look through them again and see if those differences were all pointed out. Would you pick a 35 or 37pp today if you had to pick?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

That really depends on your goals with the truck. If you want warranty support then the 37s, if you plan to upgrade I would go with the 35in version since it has more travel.

[@ShelbyPaget]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad from an offroad perspective and utility as my goal is to do some raptor runs

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

A stock truck with upgraded bump stops can do just about any raptor run out there. So if you want warranty support and planning minimal upgrades pick 37. If your going to go wild with upgrades, save the money and get the 35 in version. You will still be able to play out of the box with more travel but you’ll save some money that can go into upgrades

[@myrongaines5542]

I think the factory tuning from ford would handle the 37s alone on the gen3 ..?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

The Gen3 tune bring on a little bit more power early on to help deal with the 37s. But like all turbo engines you get a quick jump in power at the front and then it goes flat. And that flatness in power makes the truck feel sluggish on the top end with 37s. You can feel the truck struggling a bit and it harder for it to hit the limiter. That’s where a V8 with a more Linear power curve would be better.

[@ChromesConsoles]

Me and my dad were wondering if we should put some 37's on our Gen1 Raptor, however were not really sure yet. However Awesome video!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Putting 37s on the Gen1 requires more work. You need fenders (can’t trim stock and have it be functional) major reinforcement of spindles and frame, shocks, and a ton of other things for it to be reliable. Much harder than on the Gen2.

[@ChromesConsoles]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Oh wow! Ill make sure to inform my dad so he doesn't get any ideas because I'm sure he doesn't want to change almost everything within the wheel wells of the Gen1 Raptor! Thanks for the information thought!

[@nikolacurcic2215]

Oh man, I feel bad for you wallet at the gas station for your new rig hahaha. Smiles per gallon though

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Dude!!! New rig likes to chug gas. 9 MPGs on the street and 11-13 MPGs on the highway.

[@tctwg1]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Basically what I get with my 2004 AWD Ram lol.

[@BlazeOffRoad]

The performance issues are steange to hear as I have 37s on a a +3 kit (raptor width) on my Coyote f150 and I only have 3.31 gears at the moment but my truck gets upto 120 with zero issues, and it has less power than a raptor. My truck is a 2020 and I have had it to 140 on 37s so it not going over 95 is strange to me.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

V8 has a much better power band for bigger tires. That torque is not consistent where as with a turbo engine all the power is up front and quickly cuts off on the top end.

[@patriotarmament7407]

I’m good with 35’s on my 2014 Gen-1 supercab.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

👍👍

[@IsaiahDunphy]

hey brother, great truck. how has the reliability been with your raptor? any transmission issues? shifting issues? i’m very young now and want to buy a raptor when i start making the money to justify but i’m worried about losing out because of transmission issues like i’ve seen on youtube before. thank you!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

My 2017 raptor was awesome. My 2020 not so much. Transmission issues, tons of steering problems and just a bunch of glitches

[@IsaiahDunphy]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad thank you. did you end up needing to take a loss with the 2020 or were you able to get things fixed?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Took a loss and got rid of it. Luckily the market was on the way up and the loss was minimal

[@patrickboulay1709]

Simple solution upgrade ur suspension for 37” tires 🤡 hence why the new raptors have 37’s

[@tonycortez4009]

I have 37 and no rubbing on a gen 1 with fiberglass fenders +2. If you run 37 need to update your suspension

[@MarkJones-sk6vk]

37s on a gen 1 with the rpg stage 4. Everything else is stock. It only rubs sometimes on tight turns.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

The new truck with +2 fenders and SVC kit is going to rub. Right now it has some funky liners and that only clear 35s. Once we get proper liners to clear 37s, I’m still expecting some rubbing at full tuck. But it won’t rip the fenders off. Seen similar with the RPG amid travel kits.

[@191mph]

All the extra sensors in the 2019+ model raptors are good and a bit bad IMO for the weekend warrior, go hard or go home types. Raptors are a very capable truck with any year since its first debut. I have a 2018 Raptor and absolute love the truck, no 'live-valve' junk. I know from a racing stand point with motocross. The level of maintenance has to be factored in and stuff is going to break. The stock raptor shocks will fade after about an hour of hard driving offroad, in higher temps the stock intercooler will show its limits as well. As far as the 37s simply because they look cool, stick with the 35s. Do some home work with wheels and tires, it'll be a win win for you and the truck. Also if possible upgrade the suspension (I have Kings and stay away from front coil swaps with exception of Devers and bump stops which are a must if your planning on going hard like this dude or its just plan on it, its worth it) and intercooler. I loved this guys channel at the beginning, its changed some since his fallout with the 2020 raptor. Hurt my feelings when he mentioned he ordered a Ram, its all good 'Keep it dirty off-road.' "LIME GREEEEN!"

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 we still have a Raptor though 🤷‍♂️. Gen1 now, so more analog and better suited for our needs. The only reason we ordered a TRX is to see what it can do. No one is really trying to abuse those offroad yet. We want to try it. And I’m nervous about all the extra electronics in the Gen3 causing problems. TRX also has the notorious RAM can bus system too so it’s in the same boat. Your totally spot on, on the Raptors. With proper upgrades and planned maintenance 37s are doable. But she will perform at her best with 35s. The 2020 truck was just frustrating. A year and a half of nothing but problems and did sour me on the platform. My 17 was rock solid by comparison. But what really soured us on the platform was Ford. The way they treated us sucked man.

[@191mph]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Cheers and congrats with the new Gen1. Keep the rubber side down, watch out for them blind corners and keep up with them boys of yours.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man 🙏🙏

[@Creezus__]

Hey I know its been 2 years since you left this comment but can you tell me what set of 35s would be best in your opinion? And maybe even suggest all upgrades to suspension if staying on 35s?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

What do you mean by what set of 35s is best? You talking about wheels or tires of both?

[@IISevv]

For anyone else, if you keep stock offset wheels you won’t have this problem. I have 37’s on my Gen 1, with my kings only set about 3/4” higher than they came from king. I have no rubbing at all except for very slight rubbing if I hit a massive bump offroad while applying steering angle. I’ve also done no trimming at all

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Where do you offroad? I get a lot of you guys saying this then we find out your on the east coast or something like that, no where near any high speed trails. 35s will rub at full tuck. 37s will rip off fenders at full tuck if you don’t do any trimming with stock offset or 0 offset wheels. We’ve ran 34 offset with stock beadlocks before and damaged our fenders on my 17 Raptor. We had to do pinch welds and a ton of trimming to clear. We even did race series shocks and still saw rubbing. rubbing will happen regardless with stock 34 offset wheels or 0 offset. Now, I have the clips to backup what I’m saying. Where’s yours?

[@IISevv]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I live in Phoenix so only desert driving. I can jump the truck and get no rubbing on full compression, and only get some rubbing on the inner liners if I’m applying any steering. That’s with stock offset wheels. However I am probably at least 2” higher than stock up front. With stock shocks they did rub on the liners

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Ok. So decent trails. Being that tall over stock means reduced life of your axles. The boots will fail eventually. Take a look at your fenders next time. If you seeing any rubbing near the upper back of the fender near the bolts back there, your tempting fate. There is a bracket back there. if you catch or push on that hard enough you will destroy your fenders. I’ve ran a similar setup before when I had geisers. They limited up travel a lot and I got very close to ripping off my fenders a few times. But I was pushing the limits of the truck.

[@IISevv]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad True the axle boots will fail. Not much I can do about the height (when I said 2” over stock I meant over what the trucks come from the factory) as I had to crank up the coilovers about 3/4” or so to level the truck with my icon leaf springs, even with a lowering shackle. I went with autozone axles as they’re only $100 each, they keep them in stock near me, and have unlimited lifetime warranty. An hour or two to change a free axle every few months is fine with me. Just figured I would mention it as I originally had 35’s and was completely convinced the 37’s would rub based on what I saw online and have found that to not be the case.

[@3dakesx]

I’ve got 37x22’s on mine with a zero offset. I’m not running mine through the desert though.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ 22!!!!! Dude, your on the wrong channel. We are all about off-roading here. On the road with just some minor trimming to the fenders lines may be just enough. For off-road is a different story. You ain’t going hard offroad in 22s

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Why did you delete your last comment? it's OK man, I get it. With 22s on your Raptor, this channel is definitely not for you. This channel is all about off-roading these truck to their limits and exploring the trails. No Mall crawling here.

[@3dakesx]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I was trying to be civil. I simply said you should try to read my original comment and see that I don’t off road my raptor. I did find your channel somewhat entertaining but since you have this little man syndrome you can GFY.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 typical poser. Your original comment denotes you did not watch the video. You just had to post your 2 cents that literally adds nothing and is the reason this video series was created. Anyway. This channel is not for fakers with too much money looking to impress other dudes. Have fun pavement crawling.

[@3dakesx]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad different strokes for different folks, little man

[@mountbaldy2008]

WFO clip at the end of the video... 🏁 🏁🏁

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣

[@mountbaldy2008]

on 35s of course

[@bobbyphouthirath]

I have a 2013 gen 1 and I’m running 37s it’s good

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

What trimming did you do? Where do you offroad?

[@robertwilson1664]

I guess this is why it’s a 7k dollar option now on the new Gen 3.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah, you get different tires, shocks, seats, rear bumper, and a spacer for that $7k. I wish it also included 50 more hp, and different gearing.

[@terrarecon]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad spacers.... 🤢🤮🤣a spacer does not really belong on any true off-roading vehicle, let alone a Raptor.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Exactly

[@SPAWNOFSATAN013]

You need to spend 20k or more to run 37s properly.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Totally agree!! Mid travel setup minimum

[@themanchannel9058]

You don't know how to properly setup a truck for 37's. Stock offset wheels then front and rear bumps can be set to have no rubbing or minimize(your choice) You had a steering issue before the 37's did you think they would fix it? It is also not hard to find 37's and aftermarket wheels that are lighter than stock.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

It does not matter if you get lighter wheels, the 37s will still be more rolling mass. And offroad that mass wears out joints quick. I pushed the limits of what the truck can do with a stock ish suspension (only spring upgrades). I’ve ran stock wheels with 37s on my 17raptor and had issues with rubbing and damaging fenders and I learned from those issues in my 20 and did 0 offset with more trimming because I almost ripped off the fenders on my 17. I got to a point where my 20 was fully functional offroad with 37s. But the steering could not handle it. Others that push it like I do, saw the same problems and just accepted it. Only difference between them and I is how often they hit the trails. I was out there a lot. So now I have a rig that can handle 37s and will be keeping a close eye on all the joints

[@themanchannel9058]

How does a lighter tire and wheel have more mass? Your reply ignored the bump stops, it's a total package needed if you want 37's and stock fenders. If your suspension is setup properly to run 37's on that truck you will not be hitting/rubbing period. You will lose up travel and it is arguable if there is any benefit but that's not what my comments were about. You also ignored the statement about your steering already having issues that should have been fixed before running 37's. Anyone watching this needs to know the reality. Slapping 37's on a truck with screwed up steering is a bad idea. Running wheels that stick out further on a Raptor requires wider fenders or they will hit. If you want 37's and stock fenders keep a positive offset close to stock and set bump stops to limit uptravel wherever you are comfortable. I am willing to bet your new truck has front bump stops setup correctly? If so take them off and make a run. Let us know what happens.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I rubbed on the back with bump stops on both trucks. Both rubbed the inside corner of the wheel well and my 20 self trimmed the back. Check the video. Ive seen others truck rub with rear bump kits as well 🤷‍♂️. Front bump that strike on the LCA are kind of a cheat. They are within an inch of striking and account for close to 40% of the up travel. They should be at the last 10 percent and actually negate the proper function of the internal bypass shocks up front. I had this conversation with the guys at SVC and will have that video up soon. But a properly tuned suspension should not need a front bump. My Gen1 leverages the bypass shock to avoid bottoming out but will still rub. Can’t avoid it. Now lastly, rolling weight. Let’s say you find a 37in wheel and tire package that weights the same as 35s. That lower weight is still rolling in a larger diameter and therefore puts a great load than stock. Lower weight will reduce the impact, but won’t negate it. As for steering, that was just one factor. After 3 steering racks and all kinds of other parts replaced it could not be fixed. It was a software glitch that all Gen2s have. Ive talked to plenty of guys that push it like I do, and they all have seen it. Most on highly modified trucks so they are on their own. Some on stock trucks and it only jerks so they just accept it. The point of this video, that you missed, is that in order to do 37s you need a properly designed suspension. Light trimming is not enough, spring upgrades is not enough. It requires shocks, bumps, shock tuning, etc….. my starting point would be Icons stage4 kit for the Raptor, with the next level being a mid travel kit like SVC, RPG, HM, Baja kits. And even then. Expect more maintenance regardless because those Heim joints don’t last long.

[@themanchannel9058]

You win. You are completely wrong but hey keep spewing bad information. The point of the video you say I missed was exactly what I said. You need a properly setup suspension for that tire on that truck. So what did

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Dude, we are on the same page for the most part. But we have different opinions on what a properly setup suspension is. The whole point of this video series is to test the myth of a low budget setup with 37s. Low budget meaning no shocks, springs only and some bumps. And we found it don’t work. I’ve talked to several shops about this. SVC, RPG, and HM and they all agree with what I’m saying. They have done it way more times than I have and know what it takes to make it work. So don’t believe what I’m saying here. Go talk to the guys in the know. I’ve backed my opinions with real world testing and I filmed it all. I’ve been running the Cali deserts for years, running much faster than this truck was designed to run. And I’ve formed this opinion based on my experiences and those that run with us here. Where are you running your truck and what year and setup do you have?

[@evolicious-x]

Supercab > supercrew

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

If that’s true, why do supercrews hold their value better? 🤣🤣🤷‍♂️

[@evolicious-x]

Shorter wheel base and rarity. Do you know how many supercabs were made? Super crews are more cause suv mom needs room for her kids. Don't know why u would go super crew for offroad over the supercab. Heavier and longer

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤷‍♂️ they still don’t hold their value like a super crew. I get it it’s a better wheelbase, it’s closer to a trophy truck. But these aren’t trophy trucks. They are trucks we sometimes use to offroad. I have a family and prefer my kids don’t smash their knees on the front seats. And I like the extra storage for extended runs. And I like that supercrews are always worth more 😁.

[@ATLCane]

If you’re going to off-road the shit out of it no 37s are not worth it. If it’s a street queen then I don’t think there’s much of a difference other than the increased wear and tear but that’s not Raptor specific

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Not sure I agree with you there. With 37s, or any bigger size for that matter, your going to be able to just roll over more things without incident. My gen2 with 37s was more capable and could handle more. Thing that hit hard with 35s, we’re like nothing with 37s. So for off-roading there is big benefits. But they come with a trade off. Increased wear and more maintenance. But to some that’s worth it.

[@codename7832]

Your review is somewhat accurate and it portraits more to your case and setup. 1st: you changed your wheels to 0mm offset from stock +34mm offset which added additional 1.34" of wheel sticking out which means you suppose to add additional 1.34" of lift on top of 2" from 37" tires to accompensate for offset and tires. Another words to clear everything with your setup you suppose to add 3.34" of height to the front to clear everything. I know this is not possible with Raptor using any kind of springs or colar unless you go with lift kit, but that's what it should be to eliminate 95% of trimming and any rubbing. 2nd: you went with Eibach Springs which added only 1.75" of lift and over time they saddle to about little bit more then 1.5" with LiveValves but in reality you needed aprox. 3.34" to clear your setup. 3rd: If you would go with 37" tires on stock wheels you would need only about 2" of lift to clear everything. Geiser springs provide 2.5" of lift on LiveValves instead of 1.75" from Eibachs. Another words as stated before if you would leave stock wheels and added 37" tires (sticking with KO2'S whuch run smaller then true 37's) on top of Geisers you would have minimal trimming if any (maybe on full tuck).

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Wow man, your so wrong. First of all never ever put a lift kit on a Raptor. It won’t last offroad and break on the first jump. 2nd, we did 37s on stock wheels on my 17 and saw massive rubbing. Rip your fenders off rubbing and we were about to do the extra trimming before the accident. My 17 had Geisers and still rubbed to the point or ripping fenders off. We upgraded the shocks and pre loaded the front suspension 2.5in and she still was going to rip fenders off. Your math is way off and does not actually work in the real world. The most functional we got was with the Eibachs on 0 offset with the extra trimming. Mind you, mid travel trucks with fenders rub too with 37s. Only difference there is you won’t rip your fenders off. That’s where we got with our trimming