Long term review of the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 with Microsoft Flight Simulator

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Jonathan Beckett

Jonathan Beckett

Күн бұрын

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@aboutagb
@aboutagb 2 ай бұрын
Great depth and demonstration of the product, I had been looking at this as an upgrade.
@billpii6314
@billpii6314 23 күн бұрын
Well I tried a Tobii coming from a TrackIR5. I messed with it for 3 weeks and it never tracked as good as my old TrackIR5. So I packed it up and sent it back to Amazon and put my TIR5 back on top of my monitor. All is good again :)
@SteveC1952
@SteveC1952 2 ай бұрын
Given your well deserved success in the FS content creator world, I may need to revisit the Tobii device even though I was initially very disappointed in the limited capabilities of the software that is included in MSFS; which I believe has not been upgraded since its initial appearance in the sim. At minimum, I think all axis should be independent and you should be able to create acceleration curves for each direction on each axis. These features are available for free in excellent third party apps; albeit outside the sim. Your video demonstrates how good the Tobii hardware is, quite impressive, but does not (IMHO) address the software shortcomings. However, based on your experience and recommendation I will revisit the Tobii as a well functioning head tracker would be a great enhancement to 2D viewing.
@Izmael1310
@Izmael1310 2 ай бұрын
@@SteveC1952 use it with opentrack software. Described in KZbin video "Revisiting Tobii in MSFS - Solutions and Alternatives" by KurtVW Sims and Such.
@paulthurston2883
@paulthurston2883 Ай бұрын
I'm with you. I wouldn't be without it now. I have it mounted in my flight panel and it works great.
@jay-rus4437
@jay-rus4437 2 ай бұрын
I love the Tobii. HOWEVER….I think it works the smoothest when NOT using the eye tracker portion. Just head tracking. It keeps the screen much more stable for flight sim
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
agreed!
@hapalibashi
@hapalibashi 6 күн бұрын
Cool video!!! I need a break from VR - I think I'll give this a shot!!
@therealbettyswollocks
@therealbettyswollocks 2 ай бұрын
I got my eye tracker a few days ago, haven't got around to exploring it yet but I was finding it way too sensitive so in one video you just told me how to adjust the sensitivity as I hadn't figured it out.
@bourne-jagt1716
@bourne-jagt1716 Ай бұрын
Great video. I like my Tobii but mostly on my C172.
@baardk2
@baardk2 2 ай бұрын
I still prefear Track ir because you can look all around without any limite. Also in DCS world its a must to have in a dog fight.
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
It's just nice not 'having' to wear a headset (or cap!) when using Tobii. TIR has better tracking for sure, it's just a little too cumbersome sometimes.
@stephenbull2026
@stephenbull2026 2 ай бұрын
I have tried a few of the "Free" head trackers using a webcam. I never got on with it for any length of time. I have now got accustomed to using VR and find it almost impossible to go back to just using a monitor. I have got in the habit of using VR for Take off and Landing then using the monitor for the middle portion of any long flights. I am tempted to looking at head tracking devices now the technology has advanced considerably. A very useful video.
@patrickunderwood5662
@patrickunderwood5662 2 ай бұрын
It’s a great piece of kit (as y’all say) but one drawback in MSFS, and according to Tobii it’s Asobo’s fault, is that you can’t “pause where you’re looking.” With TrackIR I could lean in and focus on something, e.g., the GPS, pop a button on the stick to freeze the view, fiddle with the very fiddly GPS buttons WITHOUT incurring a sore neck, then push the button again to resume head tracking. Can’t do that with Tobii. The “pause tracking” command resets to the default cockpit view.
@Pondimus_Maximus
@Pondimus_Maximus 2 ай бұрын
Oof! That’s a dealbreaker. I also pause my TrackIR frequently to fiddle with buttons. If I lost that ability, I’d be pretty miffed.
@chrisibbotson6367
@chrisibbotson6367 2 ай бұрын
Ive asked two users on Tobii's FB adverts about this very feature and both say you can and the view is not reset. I am not 100% sure they understand my question so Ive not changed from TrackIR, which I have had for 20 years. It is starting to lose tracking and the sensor flickers so unsure if its starting to fail - hence looking at alternatives. Am concerned also that Tobii is not as smooth or accurate as TiR. Have the v4 of the device not the v5
@dismaldunc
@dismaldunc 2 ай бұрын
doh there goes next months wages.... thanks for that ! great demo.
@paulkirkland3263
@paulkirkland3263 2 ай бұрын
Good video, though I think it would have been useful to display the eye-tracking function a bit more, instead of just the head-tracking - and also how the two can be combined. In the real world, your eyes always lead your head when looking round, and I find it so natural.I love the ability to just glance down at the instruments on finals, without moving my head. Personal preference of course, but the eye tracking facility is one of the most enjoyable aspects of Tobii. By the way, I also wear glasses, and eye-tracking works perfectly with them.
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
I turn off the eye tracking for flight sims. I like to be able to glance around the pit without my view always looking where I'm glancing. It's too much for me. I like keeping my head still and glancing around without the whole view moving too.
@Fcreceptor
@Fcreceptor 2 ай бұрын
I bought this about a year ago for MSFS. I have a 38” monitor. I do think the monitor size impedes the ability to remain stabile at the extremes of your viewpoint. However, for looking to adjust your perspective in a pattern it is a huge advantage. You simply can’t make a good base leg in the sim without a tracker. I can almost always eyeball a visual landing with a downwind to base and final or circle to land with rather good accuracy. It allows me to keep an eye on speed and pitch while looking outside to maintain visual. You can move around a fair amount to attain views you just can’t get without it. It is also very nice for taxiing. Once I’m climbing into cruise out of the aerodrome I typically turn it off. I often turn it off on short final as well. Sometimes it helps a landing and sometimes it hurts one. Depends on the plane. I’m not sorry I bought it. I use it on every flight, GA or airliner.
@shamelessplace11
@shamelessplace11 2 ай бұрын
You should have invested in the adjustable Toby base or you can get the tripod version. I don’t have a tripod so I didn’t get that one. The adjustable base will take care of everything you need. I have a 30 no 42 inch curved just like a champion.
@RobKohinoor
@RobKohinoor 2 ай бұрын
okay I bought one. I was on the fence already for a few months.
@davidwitherow900
@davidwitherow900 2 ай бұрын
I have one as a backup for my VR setup, and my only complaint about doing so - it works every bit as well as you say it does - is that Tobii keep sending me emails along the lines of "Buy a Tobii EyeTracker! XX% off!", apparently oblivious to the fact that the only reason they have my email address is that I've already bought one.
@IncorrigibleBigotry
@IncorrigibleBigotry 2 ай бұрын
Isn't there an option at the bottom of the emails (usually small, grey font) to unsubscribe from receiving solicitations?
@markm75
@markm75 2 ай бұрын
I want to say it clashed somehow with vr or i had to stop the service. Did you run into this. Maybe screwed up pimax eye tracking if left on
@user-ot1dv6ri4f
@user-ot1dv6ri4f 2 ай бұрын
Excellent review thank you
@Izmael1310
@Izmael1310 2 ай бұрын
Recommending this video Revisiting Tobii in MSFS - Solutions and Alternatives by KurtVW Sims and Such.
@kurtvwSims
@kurtvwSims 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for that shout out! For anyone interested in the video he's referring to it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6fadH9mbceCbMU My opinions on the tobii are quite contrary to Mr Beckett, but its mostly to do with how MSFS implemented it, the tobii hardware works fine (if a bit pricey). But that video discusses some tricks to get it working really nicely in MSFS.
@smokeybarrplays8226
@smokeybarrplays8226 13 күн бұрын
Wouldn't fly without mine now. And it's equally as good in Euro Truck Simulator.
@paulfoster575
@paulfoster575 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video what is ur settings for the tracker as mine is awful juddery & I’ve tried everything to cure it 👍👍
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
To be honest, I run it on almost default settings. It might be worth reaching out to Tobii - it could be a defect?
@JPToto
@JPToto 2 ай бұрын
Didn't even know this kind of thing existed!
@Rahhhhhnman
@Rahhhhhnman 2 ай бұрын
Well I just pulled the pin and bought one, 20% off is a good deal.
@q8386
@q8386 2 ай бұрын
Were they 'Aviator' sunglasses? :) Good video. Ihave a cheap £10 webcam and OpenTrack, which works, after a fashion. Not as good at the Tobii obvs. That said, the Tobii is very expensive (like most stuff for MSFS!). I've always worked on the principle of 'good enough is usually cheaper than perfect'.
@johnc.4871
@johnc.4871 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing off the tobi. Looks like everything a simmer would want. Does the tobi control the mouse cursor for use in every day software? Would be neat if I could do my drafting work and not have to move a mouse around to click through Creo's many option menus.
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
No - it just moves the camera in specific software that either it supports, or where the software supports it.
@markm75
@markm75 2 ай бұрын
Somnium VR you can use passthrough to see controls. I use both the tobii (rarely but useful when needed) and pixmax crystal for now at least.
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
The big issue I have in terms of KZbin, is there is absolutely no reason to show anybody what you see in VR, because they can't see it.
@markm75
@markm75 2 ай бұрын
@@jonbeckett Agree there, but i think you mentioned you cant see controls in front of you in VR, but makers like Somnium and their headset (and maybe one other, i forget) you now can. I have pimax crystal, it has a grainy passthrough feature, not that useful vs the others that are better. Enjoyed your updated review here btw.
@JT-ep5ew
@JT-ep5ew 2 ай бұрын
I bought Tobi a few months back and then discovered that it didn't work with my screen setup. I run a multiscreen, 3 x 40in, system on MSFS. The Tobi software doesn't appear to be able to handle a multiscreen setup. I have tried various settings but no joy. As a single monitor no trouble. Maybe I am missing something in the setup, I don't know.
@bourne-jagt1716
@bourne-jagt1716 Ай бұрын
My works with my 3-24” monitors. It takes on the main centre screen but the three screens work as one.
@philiptaylor2366
@philiptaylor2366 2 ай бұрын
Hi Jonathan - have you just stuck the Tobii to the front bezel? I'm using the supplied magnetic clip that sticks to the bottom of the screen but keep finding that the tape holding the clip to the screen softens during hot weather and the eye tracker falls off. I think your solution may be way better! How do you angle the cameras up towards your face though?
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
The cameras within the sensor are canted upwards already :)
@philiptaylor2366
@philiptaylor2366 2 ай бұрын
@@jonbeckett Ah right! So you just stick it to the front bezel of your screen?
@jonnekjonneksson
@jonnekjonneksson 2 ай бұрын
I failed to understand the difference between head tracking mode and eye tracking mode. For example, is eye tracking an alternative substitute for head tracking, or an extra feature to use along with head tracking?
@paulkirkland3263
@paulkirkland3263 2 ай бұрын
You can have just head tracking, or just eye tracking, or a combination of both, which is adjustable in percentage terms . If you look at various objects in the room, you will notice that your eyes move, followed by your head. Thats what this combination of eye and head tracking reproduces. It feels very natural.
@channelwhywhywhy
@channelwhywhywhy 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Jonathan! So I finally made the plunge and bought one (using your link of course!). It arrived 24 hours later direct from Tobii (impressive) and I'm now using it. Took a little while to balance out the head tracking versus eye etc but it's looking all good. However, I've seen you disable the tracking on several of your videos, how have you done that?
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
I map a keyboard key to disable the head tracking.
@channelwhywhywhy
@channelwhywhywhy 2 ай бұрын
@@jonbeckett Is there a setting within Tobii to do that? I looked in settings and couldn't see anything obvious.
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
@@channelwhywhywhy it's a keyboard option in MSFS - for head tracking - when I next have the sim running I'll try to remember to find it.
@channelwhywhywhy
@channelwhywhywhy 2 ай бұрын
@@jonbeckettBrilliant, thank you 👍 Now I know where it is I'll go and have a look for it
@markm75
@markm75 Ай бұрын
Are you using some function to freeze head tracking?
@Buddy308
@Buddy308 2 ай бұрын
If I understood the video, you disable eye tracking for MSFS and use only head tracking. If that's the case, what are the advantages, for MSFS, of Tobii over TrackIR, which is a good head tracker and much less expensive?
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
No need to wear a headset all the time with Tobii :)
@Buddy308
@Buddy308 2 ай бұрын
@@spybaz I guess that's technically an advantage, but wearing the reflecting apparatus on a golf visor is absolutely no inconvenience or problem at all. I'd still like to see a comparison between TrackIR and the Tobii with eye tracking disabled, or a simple opinion from anyone who's used both in MSFS
@TVDawn
@TVDawn 2 ай бұрын
Hi Jonathan. The link address on screen is missing an 'i' but your link in the text works fine. No big deal - except the tobii big deal!
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
OMG you're right! And Tobii didn't pick that up either :))
@lloydnoel2289
@lloydnoel2289 2 ай бұрын
I tried the Tobii with MSFS for several days and just could not get it to work satisfactorily. Don't know why. Perhaps due to my curved 34 inch monitor? Anyway, I returned it for a refund and went with the Beam eye tracker software and a webcam. It works beautifully and at a fraction of the cost of the Tobii.
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
I use Tobii on my 57" curved Samsung. It works great - you just gotta spend a little time dialing it in MSFS settings.
@jayteeaitch
@jayteeaitch 2 ай бұрын
unfortunately - the tracker will only work on a Max 27" screen /monitor - I use a 50"4K TV
@AdamVonSzabo
@AdamVonSzabo 2 ай бұрын
It probably still works good enough for flight sim but not as dead accurate as demonstrated.
@philiptaylor2366
@philiptaylor2366 2 ай бұрын
I use the Tobii on a 42" OLED positioned about 18 inches in front of me and it works brilliantly
@Buddy308
@Buddy308 2 ай бұрын
@@AdamVonSzaboi think this is especially true if using only head tracking
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
I use Tobii on my 57" curved Samsung. It works great. Just gotta mod the bracket a bit. Remember, it's the metal, magnetic strip that keeps Tobii activated so you can ultimately put the bracket where you want with a bit of modding. There are various 'curved monitor' Tobii brackets on Etsy also, made as 3D printed pieces by sellers.
@chrisibbotson6367
@chrisibbotson6367 2 ай бұрын
@@spybaz oh dear is that how it works and requires the magnetic bracket? I was considering buying a Tobii but my 48" monitor has virtually zero bezels, is only 2mm thick and the base of it sits a mere 1" above the desk. The legs/stand prevent anything being centrally placed under the screen like most Tobii mount photos have it placed. I was just going to set the tracker on a little mobile phone stand. Will this not work?
@Bigboss-t8b
@Bigboss-t8b Ай бұрын
i cant finf the experince app anywhere just the hub
@brunogt1982
@brunogt1982 2 ай бұрын
I been using it for few months definitely not worth for the price.
@mickinoz2005
@mickinoz2005 2 ай бұрын
Why not just curious
@vicrobinson1366
@vicrobinson1366 2 ай бұрын
Does this work with MSFS on Xbox
@AdamVonSzabo
@AdamVonSzabo 2 ай бұрын
No unfortunately
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
No - it's a PC only peripheral.
@spybaz
@spybaz 2 ай бұрын
Tobii needs a freeze button
@mikokio
@mikokio 2 ай бұрын
i prefer a headset than this
@Izmael1310
@Izmael1310 2 ай бұрын
Very expensive toy. You can use opentrack and webcam to get 90 % of the performance of tobii head tracker (not mentioning eye tracker because it is useless in flight sim and basically every youtuber has this feature turned OFF) for 30 % of the price.
@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
I tried smoothtrack in the past - the huge difference with tobii is no other software, and very, very little lag.
@EyesFoward
@EyesFoward 2 ай бұрын
Don't work well for Asian eyes. No one ever mention that. Nor Tobii.
@CAL1MBO
@CAL1MBO 2 ай бұрын
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@jonbeckett
@jonbeckett 2 ай бұрын
It has the tag #sponsored on it.
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