Longer Scale = Better (Bari)Tone? (Schecter C-VI Baritone)

[@SonicDriveStudio]

If you were to get a baritone, what would your preferred scale length be?

[@LexJones]

I found that 27"/28" to be pretty comfortable, I have a SRC6 (The original not MS) and that is 30", after a while I found I was not so keen and was going to my Jericho 27" more often.

[@Nemo-Ingen]

I have a 27" and a 30", both are great for different tunings and styles, think I prefer the 27" overall though, feels more like a guitar, less than a short scale bass with too many strings.

[@ocdanthony]

28.5 is perfect

[@D14V0R05]

Probably 27"~28" that seems to be the standard for baritone guitars. BTW Schecter has a bass VI model, the Hellcat VI at 30"

[@orangodecibel]

@@LexJones

[@bobbyblair6862]

Ordered one immediately after watching this. It's EXACTLY what I've been looking for! Great review!!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Awesome! Enjoy!

[@fluffytoaster427]

These things were so ahead of their time. I remember being kinda bummed it wasn't an affordable 27" option because there weren't any on the market back then besides the Mushok PRS.

[@danielpatrickswain]

Really amazing video as always. This guitar is a real beauty. Your right about staying around F really retains a super crystal clean super lows. That second demo is super nostalgic. Absolutely loved it. I'd love to hear a solo project with some singing. Your music is so good

[@paulbullock7196]

Loved the demo! Very cool and giving me the itch for a baritone or 7-string...appreciate the great content as always!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Thanks!

[@intruth8516]

Excellent demo and playing as always! And I would honestly consider looking into these, I started loving recently how just E standard sounds when layered with an octave lower (usually using a pedal/plugin so far) and I wondered how that would sound with this, but also it looks and sounds awesome and fun to just play by itself. I also love 7-strings, but also completely agree with the sentiment that a baritone 6 just *feels* different and different things just come out while playing. And yeah, I have two Schecters, they're great.

[@RowdyDooody]

I'd love to see a 27.5- 29" multiscale version. Alas, the hellraisers are dying, though.

[@niteshades_promise]

Flawless victory. Tasty jams. Schecter never disappoints.🍻

[@ianlahaye9476]

Amazing quality from Schecter. Monstrous tones paired with the Fireball.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Most definitely! Love my ENGLs!

[@williamduvall2800]

For the past two decades I have been the proud owner of an original Schecter Diamond Series C-1 Plus in black cherry. It has a 24-3/4" scale length neck with 24 medium size frets. It is an excellent guitar for drop C tuning. This modern version C-VI is very intriguing to me. Excellent review. Thank you for sharing.

[@NIn3TY0]

Dude, I really like your guitar-song-writing-skills. There is something to it :) like when I listen to Rabea Massaad but not so far way ;) Greatings from Germany

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Danke! :)

[@killerindustries49]

You slayed with that baritone foo! 🤘🏼🎸🗣️ Seriously ! The cleans sound gorgeous & I'm already in love with Schecter Guitars. I own a 7 omen elite & a 8 omen elite going to keep my eye out on the used market for the C VI. I need a 30 inch beast in my life

[@ikestoddard2458]

John. This will be my next guitar. It has been on my radar for 24 months plus. 😎😎😎🤘🏻

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Get it!

[@bacongl]

That thing is super nice. Sounds great to me. I am a sucker for abalone. I actually love the dated 2002 Schecter look. I have several and they have never let me down. This is my next guitar.

[@CFChristian]

Your songs are always so earworm-y. 😁

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I hope that's a good thing? Haha

[@mtlmark75]

The name needs to be either the giraffe or the brontosaurus

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Hahaha!

[@caseylockwood5512]

Baritontosaurus!

[@song11artmusic]

Hahaha hilarious

[@mishswb4950]

Hellraoser Giraffe... very hellish and evil sounding name.

[@terryconnell]

Super good demo... and really nice performance on your clean tones composition.

[@traiviator]

Congratz my friend! I use the Ernie Balls baritone strings with it which are a bit closer to "normal" size. Have fun!

[@TheDjfranco100]

Very underrated guitar, it definitely deserves more attention

[@vancybergoth]

Damn, this guitar is exactly what I'm looking for, I own the Schecter Damien Platinum 9 (it's my only guitar) and I'm looking for a guitar that isn't as extremely wide at the neck as the Schecter Damien Platinum 9.

[@s.schmidt5923]

Damn this sounded good! I guess my wishlist has a new guitar on the top. :-)

[@roadfordays]

Desperately need a head-to-head between this, the updated multi-scale Schecter version, and the Solar 29"

[@SonicDriveStudio]

There's not an updated multi scale version of this guitar AFAIK?

[@roadfordays]

@@SonicDriveStudio you're right, I had it confused with the 30-inch Ibanez SRC6 and updated SRC6MS.

[@KNBProds]

i have one. it's made to be tuned down a full octave. it can be used for like B standard though. when i got it as a piece of used gear it was tuned to B standard with 10-46 strings on it. i have mine down a full octave.

[@GearStuffandThings]

When will we get a full video on that 7 Pheonix ???

[@SonicDriveStudio]

It's out already!

[@jdubbs9655]

Jon, Thank you for this video! I would be interested to see a video showing your recording process and what computer you are using. I know you use Cubase and Steven Slate audio products...."Keep Doing That Voodoo That You Do!" 🤘

[@Kornhell]

Is there any chance of putting all the demo songs of the channel together on a single video? The would be perfect for lifting weights

[@johnherreshoff436]

Sick.

[@jdubbs9655]

Jon, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up the one glaring item. What did you use for the dampening above the nut?

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Some foam rubber

[@markgalvezkorff9854]

lekker lekker!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Lekker he

[@GearStuffandThings]

Wish it came in other finishes

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Yeah that would be cool. I guess that's tough when it's such a niche instrument

[@stegerguitars]

Great sound! Great looks.... Maybe its too pretty to be called hellraiser....☺ i've thought about building a 30 incher but so far i've only made it up to 27....and a lot of 666's.

[@sasha-v4j]

can it be used as a short scale bass if to change the pickup to bass pickup ?

[@WayaSayTrey]

Fuck me lord that tone

[@HeavyInHawaii]

Where'd you get it? Doesn't look like Schecter is currently making these. 30" baris are the best!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Thomann

[@remidelmas9286]

Can you tell us more about the elixir strings? What are the gauges ?

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Standard Elixir Baritone set but I replaced the .22 with a .24

[@JavierPwns]

Longer scale length + thinner strings = better tone

[@MrLotnique]

Can you compare this guitar vs 7 or 8 strings with the same tuning?

[@erikkorhonen]

not really a baritone ,its a bass VI which is its own thing

[@RowdyDooody]

He mentions that at 5:45

[@samtoshner8002]

It's a 30 inch scale 6 string guitar. If you put heavy strings and tune it down a full octave, it's a bass vi. If you put lighter strings on and tune it somewhere in between, it's a baritone.

[@picksalot1]

Do you think that a "reverse headstock" design makes any significant difference regarding string tension and tone?

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Don't know tbh

[@darlyngton_nyc]

Scale length is the distance from the nut to the bridge. Headstock length doesn't add tone or tension.

[@picksalot1]

@@darlyngton_nyc String Length is the distance from the "fixed points" where the string is tied down, the tuners and the somewhere past the saddles. That does affect string tension.

[@darlyngton_nyc]

@@picksalot1 yeah those fixed points are the nut and the bridge, not the tuners and beyond.

[@picksalot1]

@@darlyngton_nyc Actually, those are just just "pinch points" not unlike frets. They are not fixed in the sense of where the strings tie to, which determines "string length. The nut and saddles determine Scale Length. Here are a few online articles you might what to check out about how string length affects string tension: REVERSE HEADSTOCK GUITARS - UPDATED 2023 - A COMPLETE GUIDE, by GuitarPickReviews Guitar Scale Length Explained: String Tension & Playability, by StringJoy Acoustic Soundboard: Scale Length and String Tension, by PremierGuitar

[@sacreddangermoose5260]

First demo as giving off some huge bad omens vibes.

[@synthkatt]

how is the neck dive?

[@tomsisson660]

As a bass player, I just found out why I have never liked guitars - their necks are too short! On a a 30 inch neck guitars finally correct and right! Other bass players please tell me if I am right or wrong. Tom Sisson

[@tPostee]

I think for the money Id rather get a 29" solar. same price but an ebony board, evertune, and passive pickups

[@mortaman]

did the neck feel to long and what tuning is this in

[@poppymetalhead]

Does it Wonderwall??

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Well, yes!

[@poppymetalhead]

@@SonicDriveStudio 😆

[@seasidewalktosand6567]

I enjoy your reviews and riffs. However, the audio and video don't seem to be in sync when your talking; it sorta resembles old japanese movies.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Weird, it's perfectly in sync here

[@DaringDan]

The Beatles used the BassVI on multiple albums for a reason.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

For the brutal chugs

[@DaringDan]

@@SonicDriveStudio John played it on Helter Skelter I think, so yeah! :D

[@MadDjentah]

Dunno, your 6th string sounds muddier than mine, maybe you should've used overdrive pedal to boost/compress the signal. Out of your er-guitars, m80m and sc608b sound clearer than this. Situation is I also have all three of them and C-VI way sharper/sparklier than others.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Sounds fine to me, I like it like this but you can dial it in to sound any way you like of course! I guess for this guitar, this time around anyway, I prefer more beefy tones

[@drizztdourden1060]

Maybe we found the Joey DeMaio Signature

[@S745]

A seven-string version would be perfect.

[@papafonde6773]

To see how good it is let me put it through my damn near $2k amp head that’ll make my hello kitty sound like a 1000$ guitar .

[@mrjoe9308]

today more than 27.5 inch is nonsense to me ...... more and it will fuck your shoulder ... and neck diving will be crazy . Congrats schecter to the 27,5 inch PT signature of Meegs rascon of coal chamber .

[@GuitarP0RN]

3rd ** string to a plain

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

You know what they say about guitars with long scales???????????????????? . . . . . . . Long strings.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Wait, no bass or harp jokes?

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

@@SonicDriveStudio No, that is reserved for 7 or 8 string guitars ONLY. Its the rules.

[@oli__lange]

so,...it's a piccolo bass 🥳