Look similar, but which is better? Kimber R7 Mako vs Springfield Hellcat OSP

[@bermo61]

When I first entered this market, I was looking at the Glock 43x, the Hellcat and the SIG 365. I chose the Hellcat and was generally happy with it, except for the trigger guard which was bladed on the side and rubbed my middle finger. I have now bought the Kimber and feel confident that I upgraded. The trigger is much better than the Hellcat, the sights are a little better, the accuracy is better, the Mako has true ambidextrous capabilities which is great if you are forced to shoot weak hand, some neat innovations like the shrouded ejection window, the shelf to prevent riding the slide the solid barrel to slide lock up and full grip texture all over the frame, it is an excellent offering in the class. It is also a value laden offering especially if you get the bundle which has 4 extra mags, a range bag and IWB/OWB kydex holster from Mission first tactical. That brings the cost of the pistol itself down to around $400 which is a steal!

[@guydavid8656]

Mako , Every time !!

[@chevmaro5278]

I own both. Disagree. Kimber is a better gun all around. The trigger breaks in nice, it's much more accurate, faster to shoot and much less recoil. Kimber has a 10 round mag with pinky extension as well. Kimber is not glock style takedown. They have glock style levers, but more like extended controls on a glock. Taking down the kimber is like opening a car hood, if you try to slide it on like a glock it doesn't work well. Kimber is a few ounces heavier. The 11 round kimber mag slants in the opposite direction of most short mags. You get like a baseball grip with the 11 rounder, your pinky is not hanging off the bottom. It works very well. If they made a 15 round mag it would be awesome.

[@sodoodle296]

15 round mag is out now!

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

They have the 11 round, 13 round and 15 round now. The 11 and 13 both say 10 on them. The 13 is extended mag that comes with the gun.

[@philliplamb6046]

I've shot both. Own the Hellcat. The Kimber is, in my humble opinion, a FAR better pistol. Only drawback I can find is that it's slightly larger. But just like the gentleman said in this video...not enough to make a decision on.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

@@philliplamb6046 The Kimber felt MUCH better in my hands due to the grip design.

[@Sirgromulus]

I own and carry the Sig P365, P365XL, Hellcat Pro, and M&P Shield Plus. All great guns with their own advantages and disadvantages. I have shot most of the other "micro" or sub-compact 9mm handguns on the market and consider these the best (for my preferences). I would like to shoot the Kimber but have never seen one in the wild. I know "Mrs. Outlaw" chose this one for her EDC earlier this year and seems to be happy with it.

[@gerardjoseph5572]

I can respect that

[@PavyMac]

I wouldn’t call the Mako a micro compact but it is still very small and easy to carry. I own several subs and what makes the Mako my top pick is the trigger! Seeing is believing. Feel that trigger and you’ll know what I mean. It is the first pistol I have ever purchased that needs absolutely no upgrades or changes.

[@BreezyBeary]

Comparing the mako on handgun hero the only 2 micros that are smaller are the 365 and lcp. It’s just kinda bulky up top.

[@mikedgg2]

Hellcat for me!

[@-_-_-_-318]

I picked up the Mako and although it's not as small (more like a G26 than a P365) it's by far the better shooter for me with a smooth as glass 4 pound trigger. You should send yours in to Kimber and have them fix that issue with the grit, that doesn't sound normal. By the way, Kimber has the 10 round flush mag. They just send it with the 11's now.

[@gerardjoseph5572]

Finally someone I can agree with. Because I know that trigger is better than explained in this video and the sights are excellent

[@ConditionZero76]

​@gerard joseph His bias towards the hellcat was obvious from the jump lol, the kimber out shot the hellcat in his own video and first thing he mentions is how his red dot wasn't on correctly 🤣 last I knew the Hellcat still has irons attached. Anyhow yes the kimber hands down has the better trigger if not the best striker trigger on the Market today .

[@kevmac1230]

Trigger's great on mine. Best small pistol I've shot. I need 10 rd. here in restrictive R.I. but I'm very happy with it. I like the look on my black and gray Mako.

[@JM-vk3qg]

Compare dimensions - nowhere close to g26. Kimber is thinner than a shadow cr920

[@haroldwillrich8135]

I thought we were here to compare two guns not the red dot, I clicked on for the guns. The reviewers all let the money get in the of content. But they are about money but the information. I like this man review.

[@steveweaver4795]

R7, if you want the real deal!

[@pete4633]

Love the mako I got 2 bundle packages. These are awesome guns

[@terryholloway9930]

Thanks for the review and letting me tag along

[@BreezyBeary]

Kimber - way better trigger, FULL ambi for us left handers, way less snappy in your hand. I have the Hellcat OSP and have a hard time shooting it as it is so snappy. I hear the Kimber is very accurate as well. The hellcat is accurate too but I found follow up shots on my Hellcat were bad due to the snappiness of the Hellcat and trying to reaquire the target quickly was hard.

[@michaelsilva5893]

I have the two Guns like Kimber R7 a lot better shooter. I will be selling the Hellcat.

[@brucecook502]

I bought a Hellcat OSP brand new about 5 months ago and to date I have over 1500 rounds through it and I absolutely love it. I did put a Holosun 407k Green Dot on it right away and 150 rounds into it I installed the entire Apex Trigger enhancement kit with sear and striker spring which was already a lot nicer than the stock trigger after installing, but it has gotten even smoother since then. But I have to say that recently I did get to shoot a Kimber Mako R7 and I was very impressed by it. It was a smoother shooter than my Hellcat, it was also comfortable in the hands but the thing I was most impressed about it was the trigger. Even the Kimber Mako R7 stock trigger with barely any rounds put through the gun is a bit smoother than my broken in Apex Trigger on my Hellcat. It is so smooth. I would say if you are going for ultimate concealability and or the extra round with the flush mag, the Hellcat would be the better choice but I would say if you got a Mako R7 that proves to be reliable for you, and you were looking for a smoother shooter, it is the better choice of the two.

[@gutWrench9mm]

The mako .. no brainer . Also my dad can’t hit with the hellcat for crap and he’s the best shot I know

[@Unclean_Official]

I was slapping hits with the hellcat right from the start, that’s interesting.

[@electricgamez5415]

As usual another great video. I always appreciate your non biased approach. As a follower I know you opted towards the Hellcat over the P365 so it would be easy for you to have just praised that. Keep up the good work!!

[@SpankyMedic7]

I’m not sure it was a non-biased approach, it seemed as if he leaned toward the Hellcat right off the bat.

[@asmallhedgehog420]

i like my chunky mako and its 15 rd magazine. never had any issues shooting off hand.

[@thomascopeland402]

Although kimber won’t admit it it has a bulbits lockup with the barrel. Very interesting only one other gun has that. When the slide goes rearward it locks further back making for a less recoiling shot.

[@gloriamaletta8667]

Ordered the Kimber R7 August 25 from Rural King for 429 dollars 471 out the door with tax shipping and call in fee but l'm waiting for delivery the regular price at Rural King is 529 so it was discounted 100 dollars waiting for it to be delivered at my local Rural King store

[@jlg3315]

very good review. better than most!

[@johnfmitchell5356]

The kimber out shoots the hellcat all day

[@dlaw929]

Best in class accuracy they say.

[@ogbenzel]

Kimber is over 22 ounces Hellcat is slimmer smaller and only 18 ounces. For me the Hellcat is the better conceal carry choice. I still like kimber they make nice firearms.

[@dlaw929]

@@ogbenzel of course ambi gun would weigh more.

[@Baconvendingmachine]

I’ve owned both and I gotta say the mako easily takes the cake for me. I actually ended up selling my hellcat after I got the mako because it felt like such a superior gun why would I ever want to carry a worse gun? Hellcat might be a tad smaller/lighter , have better capacity aftermarket parts etc, but in terms of shootability and ergonomics I think the mako is far superior, at ten yards I was shooting damn near perfect groupings with the mako whereas with the hellcat my groups would be all over no matter how many times I adjusted my grip or my shooting position. The hellcat just isn’t a very accurate gun imo. Both are still good options for concealed carry though guess it just depends on what you value in a gun.

[@Shenmue06]

The sig p365 is the same exact way. I ended up selling after 2 years of carrying it because it was inferior compared to my M&p shield. I couldn't shoot the p365 at all and my shots were all over the place even at close distance. I'm super accurate with the m&p shield because it fits the hands better and has a better trigger break. The hellcat & p365 are insanely overrated and both this kimber and the shield are superior. The p365 and hellcat are simply too small and the triggers are horrible. The kimber and shield are the perfect size for both comfortable carry and accuracy. The p365 and hellcat wouldn't be as popular as they are if they wouldn't have been the first 2 high capacity micro options.

[@echosierra9990]

Biggest plus for the R7, is it has full ambidextrous controls, making it great for lefties. As far as I know, it’s the only fully ambidextrous micro compact pistol on the market.

[@stressfree27]

I just got my hellcat pro out of layaway today!!!!

[@lukemiller1385]

The hellcat is also a manufactured in Croatia. The Kimber Mako is made right here in the USA.

[@gloriamaletta8667]

Mine is optics ready no optics base model 429 dollars on sale at rural king came with 1 - 11 round and 1 - 13 round magazines gun was 471 out the door price stock trigger recoil grip texture and really nice sights are its up points l love it

[@Em_Dee_Aitch]

I want the Mako, but with the iron sights from the Hellcat Pro, then I’d put an RMSC on it (not the SMSC).

[@theoretex]

Please do a comparison vid with the Kimber R7 Mako and Canik Mete MC9

[@Yehitsknu]

I want to see this too. I’m between the two

[@theoretex]

@@Yehitsknu I have the Mako but am now interested in the MC9 also. I hope the rumors about the 15 round mag for the Mako come to fruition soon.

[@asmallhedgehog420]

@@theoretex ive heard bad things about their quality but people said the same about the mako and its one of the best handguns ive ever owned

[@kennethbrantley9582]

The Kimber R7 is a good gun but I have small small hands and it doesn't feel as good on my hands as the Sig 365 or the Springfield Hellcat.

[@vegasnathan1976]

I have smaller hands also. The Sig Saur P365 X was perfection. Next was the Kimber R7 Mako, then Glock 43X, then the Hellcat just felt too big in the grip.

[@Mylazydoctor]

I have very small hands also. P365, Hellcat fit me slightly better than R7 and Shield plus but I like R7. I don’t have a chance to try shooting it, only read, read and listen to reviews and comments. I think I will take chance and buy it.

[@jameskudent]

R7 Mako!

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

I love mine.

[@scottmackey4182]

Unfortunately a biased review. Harping on marketing hype versus straight up comparisons of product is disingenuous. Trigger, sights and capacity are different regardless. It’s clear you’ve had the Hellcat for a while, even modified it, so your tendency is to lean that way because you are more familiar with it. Thank you for at least admitting that the Mako’s trigger improved with use.

[@prodegy12able]

Not to mention he has a springfield on his intro logo

[@Draxzy]

I haven’t heard great things about kimbers reliability and I absolutely love me hellcat so it’s the kitty for me over the shark

[@deonjohnson4950]

Where have you heard that? Any links?

[@Draxzy]

@@deonjohnson4950 maybe not specifically with the mako model but their 1911s have had issues in the past. Don’t get me wrong they are a great company just have had a bad rep in the past

[@Jbajapaca]

Best video compare, Thanks. ✌️

[@HammerStriker]

Thank you.

[@donio8194]

Nice comparison. Which is Your favorite carry gun?

[@joeytomato]

Springfield has never done a polymer gun... They just import them from Croatia, and rollmark their logo on them HS Produkt makes all Springfield polymer guns.

[@sycamorebacker1]

Capacity should include chamber as capacity. I don't see a problem with that. One should state the magazine capacity. Saying +1 sounds stupid. Why would anyone put an optic on a carry gun to shoot 3-7 yards?

[@shuumai]

Specifying +1 prevents confusion. Otherwise it would always be a question.

[@sycamorebacker1]

@@shuumai Not if you say a magazine holds N rounds or it is an N round magazine. Isn't that simple? Besides, a lot of people don't load the chamber most of the time.

[@shuumai]

@@sycamorebacker1 for those who don't load the chamber, it's easy to figure out that the +1 doesn't apply, thus 13, not 13 plus a chambered round. It's marketing, but also understandable with the industry shifting from revolvers to semi-autos. Also consider that the chambered round might not be +1, but just stripped from the magazine. To me 13+1 is much more clear to me without depending on specifying 14 maximum,14 fully loaded, or 13 round mag capacity. Using only a number, all companies would have to agree to only specify magazine capacity. That's the real problem, I think.

[@sycamorebacker1]

@@shuumai What is not clear about a "10 round magazine?" You can't figure that out?

[@shuumai]

@@sycamorebacker1 I guess you are technically right. However, if a company is marketing a 6 shot revolver and a semi with a 6 round magazine, an opportunity would be missed to point out that the semi could shoot 7 if you also ADD one to the chamber. Then again, an AR15 is likely to be sold as just a rifle with a 30-round magazine.

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

Love my hellcat. Don’t have a rds on it yet but it feels better in my hand than the kimber. The shield rmsc sucks

[@tdb317]

9:39 “nice clean break” That break looked atrocious

[@smjohn4640]

I'm starting to think the two Mako's I picked up for my wife and myself are lemons, as far as the trigger goes. The triggers are so very very gritty and noisy when pulling it slowly.

[@smjohn4640]

I spoke to Kimber about the triggers on both my Makos and I got nothing short of phenomenal customer service and firearm warranty repair. Within an hour of speaking with them I got next day return labels in my inbox. Within 36 hrs I was notified of their receipt of the firearms and notice of repair schedule to be completed within 7 days. 7 days later I'm stroking a couple smooth and light Mako triggers. I'm blown away by how great a pistol and company Kimber is.

[@asmallhedgehog420]

@@smjohn4640 damn man i was gonna say ive only ever felt grit from a dirty trigger or that weird little trigger safety. that spring is goofy. the trigger itself just got smoother and smoother on mine over time. i dab a little go juice down in there after cleaning every time. glad to read their customer service is good

[@bradkeeney5236]

I love my R7 mako! But honestly, how I came about it was totally by accident. I was looking for something close to a G 26 MOS. The G 26 was by far my favorite until this. For me it’s like someone at Kimber said “ let’s take a G26 make it better”, and this is what they ended up with at Kimber.

[@wavyesco6242]

How long have you had it for ?

[@bradkeeney5236]

@@wavyesco6242 One year. And I can also tell you, the trigger gets better and better as you use it. Ones that aren’t as used feel good with the trigger, but this one feels phenomenal!

[@asmallhedgehog420]

@@bradkeeney5236 did you put a dot on it? i went with a primary arms classic. they have killer specials if youre a veteran or leo

[@q4life551]

I have both of these guns and run the 15 round mag with both. The mako shoots much better with less recoil

[@Youniquedesign1892]

i still prefer my mc2sc. i have all the micros

[@kevmac1230]

Very intrigued by that. I found a Mc1 for $269 might be worth it for a backup

[@PrestonW97]

Kimber for me. Trigger is better, and the gun is disgustingly accurate.

[@eduardogonzalez6331]

Honestly I used to like Kimber until I realized they only copy and paste, that’s why you never have an issue with them but I’d rather not pay all the extra money for them and just go with the brand that made the original gun

[@tdb317]

To call the Hellcat trigger “good out of the box” while calling the Mako “okay” is insane to me. Hellcat trigger is trash.

[@Shenmue06]

100% agree. As far as I've seen the hellcat has the 2nd worse trigger out of the micro options. The worst trigger is the p365 because it has a mushy rolling break and the hellcat has a messy heavy trigger with creep after the wall before the break. The kimber has one of the better micro triggers. Not only that but it feels better in the hands similar to the shield and it's less snappy than the hellcat. I don't like the p365 or the hellcat. I ended up selling my p365 after 2 years of carrying it because it was inferior to my m&p shield. I couldn't shoot the p365 if my life depended on it. Even when I would rest it on a table I was STILL less accurate with the p365 than I am with the shield. They made the p365 and hellcat a little too small for people with large hands. The shield and kimber can be used by people with all hand sizes.

[@gerardjoseph5572]

I think you kiNd of down played the trigger in the Mako you are the first that I e heard out of. all the reviews that the trigger is not that good. When it’s one of the best triggers today

[@45Xe]

Hands down Kimber wins over the Hellcat.

[@Shenmue06]

100% true. The hellcat trigger is worse, it's a little too small like the p365 and it's snappier than the kimber.

[@Sirgromulus]

I am confused. I assume you are "Striker" but you refer to a "Hammer". I have never seen another person presenting in your videos. Is "Hammer" an actual person or just an alter-ego?

[@Sirgromulus]

I guess he doesn't respond to viewer comments.

[@craigholcombe1901]

Who cares

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

Can you confirm the Kimber magazine capacity? 11 and 12 or 11 and 13?

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

I confirmed myself. 11 and 13 come with the gun. 15 is optional.

[@kevmac1230]

I see some come with 10 rd

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

@@kevmac1230 The standard package is a 11 round and 13 round, but both are stamped 10 by Kimber for some goofy reason.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

@@kevmac1230 I appreciate the reply. I ended up trying and buying.

[@kevmac1230]

@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 my card should arrive this week and I'm going to buy a package with 5 ten rd mags a carry bag with cleaning stuff a holdster and of course the Kimber for $614, I'm pretty stoked!

[@mrt2124]

I shoot both.. disagree, Kimber is a better choice smoother less snap better trigger and has a 15 rd mag now..

[@Shenmue06]

Yeah he's the only person that I've seen on youtube say that the hellcat has a good trigger. The trigger in the hellcat is garbage in my opinion. I wish youtubers would slowly pull through the trigger break so that people can see the creep after the wall before the break. The hellcat doesn't break immediately at the wall. After you hit the wall it creeps before it finally breaks. I think that a lot of people are use to glock triggers and look past the creep. People that are use to platforms like the m&p, canik, cz, walther are going to hate the hellcat trigger because they're use to the trigger breaking immediately after pushing against the wall. The kimber does have the better trigger and it's overall a better size for people with bigger hands. The kimber is the size of the m&p shield while the hellcat is the size of the p365 so the kimber is easier to use in my opinion.

[@FernandoChaves]

How is it that all of the major design differences are missed here?

[@Slick64]

Bad comparison the hellcat pro is upgraded trigger the standard

[@ConditionZero76]

HA HA 🤣 You said if you want to polish or get the kimber trigger working maybe it's the gun for you, is this a joke lol , The kimber trigger is one if not the best striker triggers on the market with Canik a close 2nd .

[@texasiguana]

is either one ambidextrous?

[@donalexander4083]

you sure skipped right thrpugh the significant weight difference 😀

[@sinistar426]

Biggest difference between these two once you disregard the optics capability is the Kimber is fully ambi and the Hellcat isn't so Kimber made sure to include 11% of the marketplace with this entry and Springfield didn't. Having said that, this ejection port cut is a total failure for left handed shooters. With a typical thumbs forward grip, your thumb not only blocks the shells ejection, but it forces the spent shell back into the weapon causing a malfunction/jam. To solve this issue as a lefty, you either shoot it with a revolver grip, or one handed because otherwise, you essentially own a single shot semi auto. FAIL on Kimber.

[@asmallhedgehog420]

i dont have that issue. these people must be thumbing like a hitch hiker.

[@Mylazydoctor]

My Walther PPK has a similar style injection port as the Mako R7 (smooth top)

[@The_Man_From_Zion]

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[@FenFen-od4kv]

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[@tardstomper]

That hellcat looks pretty bad by comparison. Even sounds crappy when you rack it.