Looks Great, Gets Weird - Skyfall (2012) || From Rewatch with Love Ep25

[@Winterpandacookies]

"By Turner" _picture of James Turner_ Matt no

[@ArmorArmadillo]

Skyfall is the perfect amount of camp for Modern Bond. It gives us what the Craig era otherwise lacked. They say "we can't do camp after Austin Powers" but we have: train roof fist fights, impossibly luxurious casinos with komodo dragon pits, beautiful people looking glamorous, villain monologues... this has the right feel for a modern Bond movie.

[@FFKonoko]

Yeah. I think some of the critics get too hung up on "Daniel Craig is serious, thus all of his movies are serious and I don't like that". In basically the same way as with Dalton. Nah, the movie is way less serious then they think.

[@empath69]

I don't think we're all dealing with the same connotative perception of 'what is/is not *camp*' here...

[@gnfnrf]

I came away from this film with an odd thought. Silva ... won. He got everything he wanted, in almost exactly the way he wanted. He wanted M to acknowledge and pay for her sins, and die for them. She did. He was willing to die to see that happen, and he did, but that wasn't a failure on his part, that was a sacrifice he accepted. Bond's dramatic interruption of his final action doesn't change anything. He dies a few seconds early and M dies a few minutes late, but ultimately, everything at the end is as Silva wanted it to be. Have any other Bond villains won like that?

[@davidjames579]

Blofeld in OHMSS I guess. Although he didn't kill Bond, and his extortion plan was foiled. He got away though.

[@FFKonoko]

@@davidjames579 escape isn't really success. But he does do better than most of the others.

[@ILikePi31415926535]

Silva is probably my favorite bond villain Understandable motives A plan that (mostly) makes sense Very Charismatic But still has a couple quirks like his cyanide damage and his speech patterns with M

[@maglorian]

I just want to say that Matt's editing and screencap choices has been a continuous delight throughout this series

[@Oliver_JW]

I love that the editor is just shitposting on both Graham and Matt during the tube discussion.

[@forge23]

Yeah, editor Matt has done a great job

[@LeviRamsey]

M was obviously not paying attention to the annual MI6 "don't click on links in suspicious emails" training. This is thus one of the most humanizing moments in Judi Dench's portrayal.

[@davidjames579]

Maybe she got excited thinking she'd won a prize.

[@ladsworld]

"this person's name is James Bond, it's not an MI-6 code name" Casino Royale 67 canon in SHAMBLES

[@treadstone1970]

Skyfall totally debunked that ridiculous theory.

[@Targisvear]

On HerMajesty's Secret Service, Goldeneye and The World is not Enough make clear the is a guy from a Bond family, and people still insist on it.

[@empath69]

To be fair, I don't think Graham & Matt's statement (assertion?) in a podcast is the fatal blow for Casino Royale ''67's canonicity; the screenplay (such as it exsted) of Casino Royale '67 did in Casino Royale '67's canonicity in the IP(?) (not to mention the film's own internal continuity) *long before Graham or Matt were even BORN* ^_^

[@JoaoPessoa86]

Casino Royale 67 put itself in shambles

[@heartofgoldfish]

MI6 just recruits people named james bond, repeatedly

[@barbaros99]

Editor Matt's Q conversation over "tube or train" was just wonderful.

[@RagnorakTres]

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[@josephcharpak4533]

"We are the Algorithm. Your viewing habits will be assimilated" Cut to hapless human, screaming. Cue theme song. Oh wait, sorry, wrong British franchise. 🙂

[@nidkilla]

Oooo the painting is highly significant. A veteran Trafalgar ship, from the age of sail being towed by a modern (for the time) yet ugly steam tug to be broken up. Turner purposefully painted the Union Jack to be obscured by smoke from the steam tugs stack as a statement. It, the painting, caused a minor scandal at the time.

[@jim546]

You're right it's a "Tube train", it goes in the "Tube" between "Tube stations".

[@forge23]

Yup, you get the tube (train) from the tube (station) that travels on the tube (lines). Technically they are all three colloquially called "Tubes" but yeah, Matt's explanation works.

[@thewonderdoc2999]

Mentioning Moss in relation to Q: GOD I want Richard Ayoade to be the next Q whenever that happens.

[@JustDiptych]

He did play a forensic expert whose testimony helped put Ben Whishaw in prison!

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Yeah, I can definitely see Ayoade playing it a bit more straight than his usual roles fitting in that. Sidenote, wish the rumours Idris Elba was taking over as bond were true, even my dad who's that 'dad' kind of racist where they're not REALLY racist but grew up in a very white rural area and are yet to be caught up by multiculturalism. Even HE on hearing Idris Elba might be bond looked thoughtful for a second and went "Yep, he'd be great"

[@Xondar11223344]

Q: What operating system are you using 007? Bond: The device is using Windows Vista. Q: We are going to die!

[@rodion1056]

"We don't go in for exploding pens anymore." But an exploding pen is responsible for saving the world from Goldeneye!

[@flinx]

Abandoning all gadgets, even ones that are useful and realistic-though-exaggerated, removed another ingredient that made Bond movies good and what I want from them.

[@blofeld39]

R.I.P., Arecibo Radio Telescope. :'-(

[@treadstone1970]

And Never Say Never Again before that.

[@edoris9021]

Everytime a gadget saves the world it just gets binned

[@blofeld39]

@@treadstone1970 Considering it's EON, they probably don't count "Never Say Never Again".

[@Whitehouse262]

It is a testament to the joy I find in these reflections that I sit and watch them through without interruption. I very much hope this sort of thing lives on beyond the coming stock of bond films. Thank you.

[@kelvinp.coleman563]

Oh man, this film messed me up when it came out. I was in my mid-twenties, my dad had just died, my mum had just been diagnosed with cancer, and all I wanted was a night of predictable escapism at the cinema, where series-regular characters assist Bond in vanquishing some megalomaniac. And then they went poking around in his childhood and they had mother-M die in his arms. I came out of a late screening at about one o'clock in the morning, in November, and just stood there on the deserted city street, numb. Over the following weeks I went and saw it on two more occasions, just to be allowed to feel something. The song can still take me back there even now.

[@ivanpereira1096]

1:48:24 if you look closely, the train has a "no service" sign in the first cab and there is no one inside. It looks like Silva's crew hijacked an empty train and kamakazzied into the section of the tunnels

[@Luke_275]

Beautiful little detail

[@IanWeaver]

"When you're the 800 pound gorilla, you sit wherever you want." I have never heard that quote before today, but I absolutely love it. And it's so true! The Bond franchise essentially says whatever it wants to, and people tend to go "Yup. Sounds good!"

[@connielingus8385]

I don't believe that applies to, at least, the Craig era Bond films at all. Each movie seems very carefully calculated.

[@josephcharpak4533]

The line about the gorilla is usually phrased as an (ironic) joke/riddle "Where does an 800-pound gorilla sit?" [The answer: "Anywhere it wants to."] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/800-pound_gorilla

[@melvina628]

Bond films are the working man's Star Wars: suspension of disbelief is a prerequisite. People aren't supposed to think it makes sense; they're just supposed to enjoy the ride. After all, it's no secret that it's the same plot for every movie. Where's the mystery?

[@FFKonoko]

@@connielingus8385 "carefully calculated" Saying this on the movie after "uh oh write the script as we go"? You sure?

[@senseisleepyhead]

2:02:22 I found Mikey Neuman's "Filmjoy" channel via Polygon (in their Awful Squad playthroughs of PUBG), and it's such a fascinating delight. Ditto Lindsey Ellis, so much! And I don't know Patrick Willems (sp?) yet, but I'm sure it's also great work.

[@Happymali10]

The "driving pod" system is detachable/wireless, so in a shot like the one at 22:45 they can just attach the pod to the right side of the car if you only see the left side, technically. Also with the pod you don't get the height-increase of a trailer, and the point of roation is actually the rear diff, not the middle of the car.

[@noahsark342]

Some trivia on M's "don't you recognise the car" - a lot of modern vehicles are fitted with Automatic Number Plate Recognition which can read the licence plate and return info about the car's history, insurance etc. (They can also just manually call in the plate via radio). Certain.... special vehicles are registered with what is called a 'Gold Ticket' which basically means they should be ignored / allowed to do what they want. Sometimes you might be tailing a car which is acting odd, call in the plate, and be told they are a Gold Ticket holder and to disengage immediately.

[@FromVadimWithLove]

By the way I wonder if the policeman in this scene was one of Silva's goons in disguise. The guy wanted M to be at this exact point so she could see the explosion.

[@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418]

I love the "car! " - Matt "My man!!!" -Roger Taylor

[@campbelltron]

in a stunning turn of events, it's raining in England

[@TheatreKallum]

That quote about Austin Powers is very funny when you consider Spectre has the same twist as Austin Powers 3.

[@akm2219]

And the fact that Dr. Evil is based after Blofeld.

[@blofeld39]

@@akm2219 The first "Austin Powers" film is basically a pastiche of the setting of "Diamonds Are Forever".

[@spencerkindra8822]

How funny is that? They wanted to do everything possible to distance the tone of the movies from Austin powers but ended up stealing the twist of Goldmember. 🤣 it all comes full circle.

[@Aiijuin]

Maybe they figured enough time had passed and that nobody would have noticed.

[@jillpole]

I hadn't spotted that and now I love it

[@mikekool43]

1:48:34 The underground train has a ‘not in service’ on the front of it in the shot on the movie which explains why it was empty.

[@jamesfulford6011]

Quick note on depleted uranium rounds for a pistol: 1- Yes, that would be a stupid application. 2- Armor penetration is a variety of factors. Mass of projectile, speed, angle of shot, range, etc. 3- As for why the pistol round would be less impactful immediately but would be more of a problem long term, it has to do with energy (the uranium slug is probably fired at a lower velocity than the rifle round so the rifle round would probably impart more energy to Bond than the uranium one. More unbelievable is the shards of the round in his body afterwards.)

[@WBenIB]

Editor Matt did a great job with this one. I loved Q's tube/train quandary in particular; it felt so in character.

[@Braddowski]

With a dinner suit it is not unacceptable to wear a coloured jacket with black trousers. Midnight blue was also fashionable with formal suits at the time of the film's release. Similarly, a vent in a dinner suit is not unusual but it is often double vented instead of single vented. However, single vented jackets often accentuated the v-shape of very fit men. Basically, the midnight blue dinner suit is traditional but with a twist fitting with modern sensibilities. Much like Craig's Bond.

[@oneuptheextraman]

"Depleted uranium is favored for penetration because it is self-sharpening and flammable" "Cool". And that is what James Bond is all about.

[@Simon-ow6td]

That tube train bit was glorious editing! Thank you Matt!

[@patrickdunham9490]

I really love that this episode is so long, editor Matt got bored and started adding progressively more and more commentary as the show went on.

[@empath69]

_laughs in Ep7_

[@zhoufang996]

Looking forwards to the video. I wonder if they'll raise my big theory about this movie: that the ending of this movie is basically a Bond film in reverse. Bond is the Heavy and defending the Big Bad M, while Silva takes on the role of Bond, riding in with the helicopter grunts to attack the enemy base.

[@Xondar11223344]

I never thought of it that way before, that's an interesting interpretation.

[@dracoelynne]

cackling *so hard* during the entire "train-tube" debate section, the video editing makes it just *chef kiss*

[@SM-dm3wg]

I need to finish this later but I just want to say that its fantastic to still have Matt in your content :D

[@rockyradical]

That appearance rider is still paying off.

[@MrPooleish]

Wait, did I miss something?

[@rockyradical]

@@MrPooleish Matt moved to Vancouver years ago, so he can't physically appear in much content. Thankfully a podcast is something that can be done remotely.

[@mattfenner7824]

Is there a reason Matt wouldn't be in their content? As I recall, he moved away some time ago, is that what you're referring to? I'm just curious...

[@Winterpandacookies]

@@mattfenner7824 Yes, Matt moving away is what they're referring to

[@futuremovieactor]

Again, this is why these movies are separate from the others: attempts to fit them in with the others will give you a headache and even then, it’s pointless because it doesn’t make sense to do so too.

[@LB1973]

you Kinda can, but M and Moneypenny always mess it up.

[@Treblaine]

And then Spectre comes along.

[@Mabus16]

The thing about depleted uranium is that it's very heavy and very dense, it's used for armour piercing ammunition for tanks because you can fit a lot of mass in a relatively small round, giving the round a lot of kinetic energy. Which is great for passing through armour, what it's not great for is wounding and stopping a person, since flesh doesn't provide much resistance to bullets, a bullet made of depleted uranium would just pass cleanly through a person without splintering and leaving shrapnel, so the depleted uranium bullet is really stupid because there is a very good reason why anti-personnel rounds are never made from it.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Surely that would make depleted uranium rounds more humane for use in war? My understanding is bullets with exit wounds cause far less internal damage. This is based on my VERY limited experience of treating gunshot wounds having only seen two.

[@Xondar11223344]

Unless Bond was wearing a bullet proof vest.

[@Mabus16]

@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 That's the point though, bullets are made to maximise the damage they can inflict on the human body, that's why they're made of soft metals like lead, so they will shatter and deform to create a large conical wound.

[@benjamindickel3868]

I never thought very much about the DB5 in this. I always thought it was the one he won in Casino Royale, but now it seems weird that he shipped that car to London AND gets it customized with ejector seats and machine guns before he met Q and Q branch was established in this run

[@loadingreadyrun]

I had honestly forgotten about that one he won in CR, but yes, you're totally right about the mods.

[@TomCamies]

Plus converts the car to right hand drive. Unlikely if not impossible, what nutcase would do that to a $3 million car?

[@benjamindickel3868]

@@TomCamies Good catch! I never noticed that

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

I just presumed it was a cute gag for the 50th anniversary of bond and that was it.

[@superkeaton9912]

My view on Craig's Bond is that while he starts young, cold, vulnerable, and fit, the sheer amount of hurt and work he goes through has ground him down early in his prime.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I don't hate Daniel Craig as Bond but there is no denying that he was too old for the role back in Casino Royale.

[@jvanyai]

@@ricardocantoral7672 I absolutely deny that. Craig was younger than Moore, Dalton and Brosnan were when they first took on the role and at the time he was criticised for being too young.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

@@jvanyai Quite. I think Daniel Craig just has a pretty good ability to look ripped or haggard depending on his workout/diet for the role. He definitely looks in 'worse' shape, as in gaunt, in this movie to me than Moore did in view to a kill.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@jvanyai You forgot one minor difference, none of the previous actors began as rookie double 00's. Also, I don't recall a single person saying that Craig was too young. He was dumped on for his looks.

[@Xondar11223344]

@@ricardocantoral7672 He was one of the youngest Bonds when he first took the role.

[@silverevil00]

I think I come to the beginingish of this movie from a different place. I don’t see Bond as “retired”, I commiserate with him as an excellent athlete who just had a potentially career ending injury. The guy just has his boss say “if he dies, he dies”, and he has to come to terms with that in the most real way he ever has, while also trying to rehabilitate himself in... perhaps not the healthiest manner.

[@futuremovieactor]

I love in the opening when he shoots the mirrors. He hates his own identity.

[@theriverGauja]

Any chance we can get Editor Matt's rankings in the final episode as well? The visual jokes have been exceptional throughout and I want to know what the man who loves Rosamund Pike think about the franchise.

[@Taschenschieber]

"The Man Who Loves Rosamund Pike" sounds like a very weird novel

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Love that the painting behind Q at 1:00:57 is the one the cover of the first 'Science of Discworld' was based on. Didn't realise that cover was based on a painting til I saw it here!

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

I really liked this movie (especially compared to the last one), but as a fan of Bond gadgets I must admit the "We don't really go for that anymore" line kind of irked me. However I did feel it redeemed itself with the Bond and M driving sequence with Bond eyeballing the eject button and M's response. XD

[@MarkSlavin]

The stunt driver on top of the Land Rover was Ben Collins, one of the Stigs from Top Gear.

[@ceviri1234]

Matt, you are the best editor on the planet. The "tube" bit i needed to pause a few times to laugh. I hope there will be another rewatch podacst after this one so we all can get more of this

[@Happymali10]

That "palm print"-gun actually cost them major money because in one combat-scene Craig wore gloves and they had to CGI-replace his entire hands with skin-colored ones.

[@blofeld39]

At least Timothy Dalton knew not to wear gloves!

[@Treblaine]

In retrospect a fingerprint activated gun is a bad idea for a spy, wearing gloves so they don't leave fingerprints is kinda a thing for sneaky types.

[@SupremeFenix274]

@@Treblaine Not to mention all the other things that could go wrong. Bond get beaten burned and cut all the time. Couldn't blood dirt or just not having enough skin also cause it no not work.

[@Treblaine]

@@SupremeFenix274 also guns are very rugged, you can soak them and drop them down a flight of stairs and they'll still work. Small electronics break very easily.

[@ChibabaDave]

@@Treblaine It is a stupid idea for anyone. with proper training(which isn't difficult) firearms are totally safe. As others have said things like this just add another unnecessary thing to go wrong for a target shooter it may be frustrating for a bodyguard, policeman or a civilian carrying for defence it could be deadly.

[@wstine79]

This was the last James Bond movie I saw with my dad before he past away in 2015.

[@TwilitLugia]

Skyfall has always held a special place in my hear, because it was between it and Quantum of Solace that I started watching the Bond films with my dad, making this the first one I saw in theatres. I remembered being really impressed by it, which stayed the same on rewatch. In fact I ended up putting this at #3 on my personal list, based a lot on the amazing cinematography and the focus on M and Bond's relationship. One thing I remembered from watching this in theatre's was that when Silva gets stabbed by Bond at the end when he turned around and gave that pain yell, everyone in the theatre laughed. I also put the song at #2 on my list, because I remember when it was uploaded to KZbin ahead of the film's release and listening to it on repeat to and from school and while doing homework. In fact prior to the podcast, Skyfall, Live and Let Die, and Goldfinger were the only songs that had stood out to me from the series, which is a travesty considering how hard some of the others like A View to a Kill and The World is Not Enough go. Now that I have written this I remember that my Dad would skip through the opening title sequenced because of the near-nudity in a lot of them.

[@HS_Gomikubi]

"Most recently he was in Knives Out" Which he was _fantastic_ in, btw. Say what you will about the movie as a whole, but Daniel Craig's character in that film is an absolute hoot and I would be _thrilled_ to see him in that role again.

[@empath69]

tangent: I've heard the request of getting all the actors back and with Craig playing the same detective character, and EVERYONE ELSE playing different characters in a completely different 'murder mystery'...I know there'd be too much working actor scheduling to ever pull it off, but it would be fantastic...

[@houseofshadow6380]

I personally found Knives Out to be a wonderful movie in every aspect. Wasn't a thing about the movie that I didn't like. Except there could have been more Daniel Craig in it, I suppose...

[@HS_Gomikubi]

@@houseofshadow6380 I agree, but wanted to keep my initial comment neutral (as well as short/to the point) since I suspect there are folks around who may not feel the same.

[@Xondar11223344]

"Say what you will about the movie as a whole." What would people say about it? I had a huge smile on my face after seeing it because I was glad Hollywood still makes excellent movies like that which aren't a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot, or based on the book/video game. Knives Out is just damn good.

[@kelvinp.coleman563]

@@Xondar11223344 OMFG agreed! Also it might just be that I watch far too much depressing/intellectual/foreign shit but Knives Out was legitimately the most fun that I had had in a cinema for several years at that point. I left grinning instead of crying, which was a rare treat.

[@trademarkdesigns]

Should have mentioned that M was given a very 'Bond girl' name as shown on the box that has the bulldog in it - Olivia Mansfield. "I live in a man's field"

[@T4G0E]

Hmmm. I wonder if that means Craig-era M is supposed to be a different person than Brosnan-era M. I'm pretty sure her name was given as "Barbara Mawdsley" in the scripts and/or novelizations of a couple of the Brosnan films.

[@blofeld39]

@@T4G0E Raymond Benson. I was kind of dismayed they disregarded his coinage, there.

[@snowcookiemedia]

I think it's also a reference to how she's a woman in a "man's job"

[@hilaryc8648]

It’s a reference to Mansfield Smith-Cumming, the first director of “MI6”

[@mikemoritzgamer]

​@@T4G0EYes. In GoldenEye, she's established as an analyst and not a spymistress

[@WalterBarnes]

Seriously, Editor Matt makes this ABSOLUTELY worth watching.

[@Haights]

I am the tiniest, absolute tiniest bit sad that Matt's tux didn't turn midnight blue while he was gushing over Bond's tux.

[@HayabusaTaichou]

The James Bond canon/continuity reminds me of Macross where each piece of media is considered in universe fictional media recounting real events that we don't get to see. So each show can have as much or as little continuity with each other as they need and all are completely canon and non-canon at once. Also all the movie alternate retellings of the stories that they like to do with macross are just as canon as the shows.

[@DuncanEllis]

talking about reboots and influences, it was said at the time of its release that _True Lies_ was a modern update of a Bond film, but it probably didn't have any influence on this franchise beyond being another one of the legions of 90s action flicks that informed _Goldeneye_ .

[@Aiijuin]

It’s so odd that you mentioned “True Lies,”. I just watched that this Saturday with my parents and said to them, “True Lies is like a James Bond film except it would be akin to an alternate reality if James had been married with a secret family on the side.” (Albeit, Arnold’s character of Harry Tasker is not English, but American.) Also strange is that I was thinking how Matt had also mentioned that James Bond hadn’t really tackled the complexities of terrorism in the way 9/11 had presented itself - but in a strange way - “True Lies” had tackled that subject in an unusual premonition of things to come merely seven years later.

[@DuncanEllis]

@@Aiijuin I am rather fond of _True Lies_ and I really like that interpretation of the film. The other nice connection is that the bad guy is play by Art Malik, who played a good guy Mujahadeen in _The Living Daylights_ . In my head canon he's the same character, radicalised..

[@kuznickic1]

Fun fact True Lies is actually a remake of a French film called La Totale!

[@DuncanEllis]

@@kuznickic1 I did not know that. Time to go a-hunting.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

True Lines was better than Goldeneye !

[@kettle_of_chris]

THIS is the one I've been waiting for...well this one and last week's episode....at any rate - thank you for uploading this before Christmas! (and not making us wait)

[@proto303]

I really like Matt (Griffiths)'s work on the background jokes here, they're very good

[@forge23]

100% this, the editing and jokes on this keep me rapt with attention. Normally id be scrolling on my phone with a podcsd t or videomin the background, but the humour and timing have my eyes glued to the screen.

[@DuncanEllis]

it's going to be so weird not having these to listen to every Monday.

[@electrodyne1899]

Once these are done they'll make "Shaken and Slurred", a watch-along podcast that consists solely of Bond drinking games.

[@Treblaine]

Gotta do the Mission Impossible franchise countdown next!

[@josephcharpak4533]

WHERE'S MY WEEKLY FIX, LOADING READY RUN?!? IT'S MONDAY AND THERE'S NO EPISODE! 🙂🙂🙂

[@josephcharpak4533]

There it is 😀

[@EtherealPharaoh]

Holy hell, the editing on this one was straight fire. "By Turner", every Wiggins quote, the tube discussion.

[@soxwon04]

So to defend the movie a bit: Silva has intentionally hurt M's reputation with a series of massive private and then very public failings. He obviously knows that there will be questions from Parliament because that's how democracies work. He also can control when he will be "picked up" because he controls when Patrice is deployed, whom he probably knows is compromised if he is in MI6's systems. One could make an argument that he waited until the inevitable committee meeting was set up, tried to get himself captured, and calculated the timing of his capture so he would be escaping MI6 roughly around the time M would be going to committee (if Bond hadn't intervened, he could probably have been hours early and still pulled it off).

[@kevinromito8323]

Can’t help but feel (despite some slight continuity hiccups) that you can fit Dr. No through Thunderball between the end of Skyfall and start of Spectre…it almost works

[@mrphlip]

42:20 - Thank you for going into the whole bullet thing, because I was _so_ confused when I was watching this. The entire time, both when I originally watched this when it came out, and rewatching now, assumed his shoulder bullet wound was from Eve's shot. Like, later, when Bond extracts the bullet shrapnel and sends it to be analysed, I assumed this was Eve's bullet, and I was like... why do they need to analyse that bullet? Surely it's MI6-issue? Are they trying to set up that Eve intentionally shot Bond, and used some other source of bullets to do so, for reasons? And then got very confused that this plotline of Eve being evil seemingly getting dropped... Knowing that that bullet was from the henchman, earlier, makes that whole stretch of the movie make more sense now...

[@blofeld39]

Yeah, it's not really clear that he's initially shot by Patrice, when it happens...

[@vdd]

Skyfall kind of feels like the James Bond equivalent of The Dark Knight

[@empath69]

a product of the time, more than the IP? I dig it.

[@JLProPhoto]

The "car from Goldfinger" actually works with the Craig movies being a reboot. He wins the DB5 from the bad guy in Casino Royale.

[@treadstone1970]

Yet it's a left hand drive in Casino Royale, and the Aston Martin in Goldfinger was right hand.

[@sandorbaja4323]

Yeah, but did Bond just gallop in Q branch asking the guys to pimp up his personal ride with machine guns and ejector seats?

[@JLProPhoto]

@@sandorbaja4323 Wouldn't you?

[@FFKonoko]

@@treadstone1970 I'll be honest, if you're already installing ejector seats and customized controls for gadgets anyway, switching over what side drive it is is pretty minor...

[@jessie-buns839]

Londoner here. You "take the tube" but travel "on the underground". So we always call the train the Underground, and it travels via the Tube

[@davidjames579]

We also say Tube Train. Also, travel on The Underground (network), so it's a bit interchangeable. Everyone understands though.

[@celebalert5616]

Moore "dies" in Man With The Golden Gun ... quickly revealed to be a Mannequin but its still a Bond Death fake out in the opening sequence, albeit a brief one

[@BadWisdom523]

Yay! You guys are hilarious! Anyway, thing I was going to say that in Alan Moore’s League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen (not the movie!) M is indeed Emma, an older Emma Peel from The Avengers. You should probably check the book out, all the Bonds turn up, and they’re skewered hilariously.

[@EricChoiniere]

Matt G's editing has always been great and welcome but it was oh so great during the first scene with Silva.

[@Phosphatide]

I hurt myself snorting at “Turner” thank you.

[@TevorTheThird]

Yes Matt! I popped super hard for the skull-teeth to tombstone transition in the intro. It's just the slickest damn thing.

[@RobJaskula]

I like Dante's Peak! Saw it in theaters as a kid and have always been a fan. Skyfall is the second-to-last movie I've seen in a theater and it's one of my top three Bond movies!

[@Aiijuin]

Yeah, I liked Dante’s Peak also. It was the better of the two volcano movies that had been released that year.

[@RobJaskula]

@@Aiijuin Exactly!

[@nathankelley1466]

Graham & Matt, I would assume that the old Aston Martin DB5 is the one he won in the card game from Casino Royale 2006. It would make more sense that he had Q department trick it out in recent years using their typical Q department amenities, weapons, and defenses. I kind of doubt that they are insinuating Bond is in his 90s. It is definitely a nod to the old movies though.

[@Squiglypig]

Or it could be that Goldfinger was just a modern villain, so it happened in like 2008 after the economic downturn and he was trying to make it worse for his own benefit or something.

[@blindbeholder9713]

@@Squiglypig FWIW there is a Goldeneye game remake that recasts everyone including having Craig be Bond.

[@leijen208]

Was the car drivable after the multiple flips? I guess Q branch could've obtained it afterwards

[@votekyle3000]

Depleted Uranium, when it penetrates armor, fractures into small sharp pieces.

[@Xondar11223344]

Now I fully think Bond was wearing a bullet proof vest, which is why Eve's shot didn't wound him and the bullet was in fragments inside him.

[@votekyle3000]

@@Xondar11223344 annoyingly, a lead bullet from an AR15 fragments easily, but it also would leave a huge exit wound

[@forge23]

@@votekyle3000 but, a bullet from an AR might not penetrate a bullet proof vest, merely impact with enough force to, say... knock someone off a movng train... While a DU round would pierce through armour , giving an *almost* plausible reason why bond only had one bullet wound

[@votekyle3000]

@@forge23 if Eve was using hollow points maybe. Maybe Q finished that bulletproof jacket from Goldfinger?

[@forge23]

@@votekyle3000 possibly? I mean 99% of bullet proof jackets in films are completely imperviousI to all bullets because of movie physics. I guess its down to which is the bigger plot hole: a concealed vest that can stop a AR round at a long distance, or the lack of a second bullet wound? It's the problem of trying to resolve plot holes the writers didn't think of. ..

[@GreatgoatonFire]

Ohh, been looking forward to this.

[@Kronopticon]

I feel like Moneypenny commanding respect from Bond comes somewhat from her ability to actually pull the trigger. As he seems to have respect for anyone who actually kills people

[@davidjames579]

Roger Deakins made a Sir in The New Year's Honours List. Quite possibly the first cinematographer to get one. But then he has had 13 Oscar nominations and 2 wins.

[@IDidntSetAHandle]

1:44:11 - "Taking the Tube" means "taking the Underground", and so the "Tube" is an overall term for the whole network. The actual carriage would be referred to as a "Tube train". Although confusingly you could say "I missed the Tube" or "The Tube was packed" and that would sound okay. Turns out we like to make up our rules as we go along.

[@Xondar11223344]

Since they had the henchman using depleted uranium bullets, which are armour piercing, they should have had Bond wearing a bullet proof vest. Then he would have been wounded by the henchman, but not by Eve. He would have still felt the impact of Eve's sniper shot and fell off the train and into the river, but there wouldn't have been a bullet wound.

[@davidjames579]

To survive as he did in the film Bond would have to be a Terminator.

[@Luke_275]

Eve’s bullet wouldn’t even reach bond. It wasn’t a sniper rifle, it was a rifle that was very much out of effective range. Even though the bullet can travel that far, the scanning of left to right (from the train) would yield an ineffective shot.

[@Aiijuin]

I know Pierce Brosnan was also in the movie “Mama Mia.” ....and we all learned that he should never, ever, ever, be allowed to sing in any film. Like never, ever, ever.

[@EricChoiniere]

He also did spy-ish stuff in The Foreigner and I found his performance (and accent) compelling in that movie

[@avramlevitter6150]

THAT'S why he looked familiar in Mama Mia. Thank you!

[@Blizz3112]

And Mrs. Doubtfire...

[@Micke12312]

@@avramlevitter6150 A joke i hope . Heard to tell sometimes

[@judyhopps9380]

as beautiful as this movie is, and how amazing the opener is, it just feels so joyless. This is peak Craig: stylistically beautiful, expertly shot, and depressing as hell. I can see myself wanting to be every bond but his.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

This really should have been a traditional Bond film and a conclusion to Craig's Bond era.

[@blofeld39]

@@ricardocantoral7672 *How* traditional, though?

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@blofeld39 Bond being sent on a mission after the pre titles, no resignation, a real Bond girl, those little things that this film desperately needed.

[@blofeld39]

@@ricardocantoral7672 He didn't resign, though? Dude was presumed dead. Just like in "You Only Live Twice" and "The Man with the Golden Gun" (the novels) -- with Bond even being sent back out into the field right after ECT and a dash of retraining, with the latter one!

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@blofeld39 He was still alive and refused to return so it should count as a resignation.

[@TheWAYF]

The whole discussion of the James Bond "canon" is interesting because James Bond the film shares a lot of commonality with Doctor Who, a similarly omnipresent British cultural icon which started around the same time, and which also has an extremely flexible continuity but a largely consistent main character with different interpretations played by different actors. I have no doubt that James Bond would adopt Doctor-Who-style continuity if it could, but this franchise has a few disadvantages such as not involving aliens or time-travel, or any other narrative device which can functionally explain why Bond actors keep changing without just ignoring it entirely. I suppose they could have gone the "it's a codename" route but I can understand why they didn't. Unlike Doctor Who they don't have the luxury of an extra movie in every actor's run which details that specific Bond's origin story or period of settling into the role.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

And lets not forget 'canon' is a fairly new thing. I'm a massive trekkie and thats held up as the holy grail of continuity and the 60's series contradicted itself to hell. It wasn't until TNG in late 80's 90's that they started trying to keep a consistent canon and that's and INCREDIBLY nerdy show, not a camp spy thriller series.

[@Xondar11223344]

Matt, you wear a tux every Monday when you play poker while talking about Bond movies. This movie is in my top three best Bond movies with OHMSS and GoldenEye. It's so beautiful and the story is pretty good.

[@Winterpandacookies]

Yes, Matt and Graham are totally wearing a tux while recording this podcast. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

[@Xondar11223344]

@@Winterpandacookies The evidence that I see every week tells me they're totally wearing tuxes.

[@davidjames579]

The dog is a British Bulldog, which is a symbol of British determination not to give up (just as Bulldogs are renowned for biting into someone and not letting go, no matter what). I believe the sentiment comes from World War Two, but I'm sure it pre-dates that.

[@blofeld39]

Daniel Craig decided to wear a pair of gloves he had bought somewhere for the Shanghai and Macao scenes because he felt they were gloves Bond would wear, and Mendes let him wear them. It was only in post-production that folks assembling the film went, "Wait... if the gun is coded to his handprint, wouldn't him wearing gloves make that useless?" This required the poor CGI people to PAINT IN CGI HANDS FOR DANIEL CRAIG in those scenes, just a month out from the release date, at GREAT expense. The moral of this story: Never let an actor have TOO many ideas. :-P

[@SirLimeyone]

that's a awful takeaway

[@blofeld39]

@@SirLimeyone Some ideas work, some ideas don't. And Daniel Craig has had more creative control on these latter Bond films than any other Bond actor, with the possible exception of Sean Connery in "Never Say Never Again".

[@SirLimeyone]

@@blofeld39 actors are creative to. It's everyones job to catch inconsistencies. focusing on the time a actor did it when the director gave it the go ahead and having the take away to be *stay in your lane actor man* is just silly at best and toxic at worst.

[@blofeld39]

@@SirLimeyone The fact that the actor did not think of the script needing him to have bare hands before bringing up the idea is just very... I dunno. I just wish it hadn't happened, is all, because it seriously disappoints me.

[@SirLimeyone]

@@blofeld39 then I suggest you never look at behind the scenes parts on movies because dumb human mistakes can and are made by everyone on set.

[@jamesdiggs2928]

Perhaps the "too old" to be a 00 field agent now in light of just having an origin story in Casino Royale speaks to the very short career window for such agents. Perhaps in this version of Bond It's just too hard on the body, and maybe even mental health to be doing this job for that long. Also, I always thought the car, while an easter egg as a nod to Goldfinger, was in story the same car he won in Casino Royale and then modified. Finally, while the "now he is finally James Bond" can understandably be funny after each movie... I have sort of begun to see all the Craig movies together as an interpretation of the entire mythos of James Bond's career rather than just the origin of the character in the same way the Christopher Noland movies are to Batman. I have enjoyed your rewatch series very much, thanks for doing these with thoughtfulness, generosity, and humor.

[@SigmaMorrigan]

Editor Matt is at peak snark during the tube vs train discussion, and I am HERE FOR IT 🤣🤣🤣

[@dillonerving6798]

I have always enjoyed the moment when Silva sees the gravestone for Bond's parents and chuckles to himself about it. To me, it brings home M's comment when she and Bond first arrive at the moors. M asks Bond how old he was when his parents died and he evades by saying that she knows when & that she knows the whole story, to which M makes a comment saying "Orphans always make the best recruits". So in my mind, Silva sees the gravestone and clocks that Bond is an orphan and he draws amusement from this because, due to the nature of his character, he would probably know M believes orphans make the best recruits. In addition, I think Silva is also probably an orphan himself, due to the story of living on his grandmother's island, and is amused because it goes back to his analogy of Bond and him being the two rats, that they're the same. They were both orphan recruits, and because of this they took on M as a maternal figure and were betrayed by her. I may be reading into it too much, but it has always seemed like such a good moment of visual storytelling to me.

[@thecolortwelve3784]

I am really going to miss these videos. Offhand comments about Gun Kata, Matt's in depth discussions about suits, Editor Matt's throw away Ralph Wiggum reference, diversions on the etymology of London mass transit nomenclature with humorous editor commentary. Its really like a weekly visit with friends where they just dish on things they really care about. A solid diversion from an awful year.

[@0shadowbadger]

I'm not even a big James Bond fan, but I have loved watching this series. On the note of the newer James Bond movies, the only ones I've actually seen, I've found that Casino Royale and QoS are distinct in my head, but Skyfall and Spectre just blur together in my memory.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

I'm in the same boat. Have you seen The Living Daylights? As someone who's not massively into Bond I really enjoyed that one.

[@0shadowbadger]

@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 I've literally only seen the ones with Daniel Craig. I'm thinking of checking out a few of the old ones at some point and I'll make sure The Living Daylights is on there.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

@@0shadowbadger I recommend Living Daylights as to me that was the first of the 'older' ones to not come across as ultra camp or a parody of itself. Plus I'd say Timathy Dalton as bond is probably the grittiest he's been played apart from Daniel Craig.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 The 60's Bonds were not all camp.

[@grumpyginger99]

Just hit me rewatching this, at 18:37 is not such so much a riff on the gun barrel as a call back to the very end of the opening credits for Casino Royale where bond is shown in film and then get covered segment by segment by the monochrome black of the previous sequence with the last section to go being his eyes

[@SuperFlik]

While I didn't start watching the podcasts until the Goldeneye episode because I'm honestly not a James Bond fan, I did go through the whole series in about a week and started watching along once you reached Daniel Craig's run. I can say that while I don't have much of an eye for the nitty-gritty of movie making, Graham and Matt's insights into the movies do make me appreciate them more than after my initial watches, so thank you for this.

[@astaiannymph]

This was my first Bond movie, and to this day, I still have the song Skyfall stuck in my head.

[@danielsandefur7364]

This was my first Bond film and still my favorite song and title sequence. Can’t wait to see what the bois have to say about it

[@FromVadimWithLove]

The only Daniel Craig's Bond films where he actually gets to kill the main antagonist. So far.

[@MarcusSheppard]

He didn't shoot Greene in Quantum but he sure killed him good.

[@FromVadimWithLove]

@@MarcusSheppard I doubt that Quantum goons who shot Green would have done that if he was dead already.

[@99wattr89]

I would LOVE a new bond movie set in the 60's, recalling the false glamour of the time and the simple spycraft mixed with optimistic futurism. :D

[@ricardocantoral7672]

Why was the glamour false ?

[@edoris9021]

@@ricardocantoral7672 most people in the 60s never travelled and were dirt poor compared to the average person today. Bond and the like showed off glitz and glamour that was superficial but which 60s audiences lapped up. Eg driving a car on the french riviera would look cool then but commonplace now

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@edoris9021 I don't agree that statement. Everyone has a wanderlust. Driving a fancy car on the french Riviera is still something appealing to most males and it's certainly not "common". However, what has changed is making a country so exotic to a point where it doesn't seem like part of reality. A world of instantaneous communication has ruined all that.

[@edoris9021]

@@ricardocantoral7672 maybe not common but very achievable say if you live in uk. Watching something like thunderball or you only twice in the sixties must have been an incredible first time experience if you only knew the grey skies of the uk

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@edoris9021 I agree.

[@kato1kalin]

The main plot is basically Mission Impossible with the noc list.

[@Aiijuin]

That’s true. I thought the same thing when I watched ‘Skyfall.’

[@Grimwear]

When they talked about how people in the comments compared Craig era Bond to the Bourne series I didn't see it. But Mission Impossible? I see that. Craig Bond is just a much less fun version of MI. I'm not super big into new Bond or MI and if you asked me to tell you plot of any of the movies for either series even though Ive seen them, some multiple times, I couldn't do it. BUT I sure do remember Tom Cruise smashing his face while climbing that giant building, Tom Cruise hanging on to the plane, hanging on the helicopter, Tom Cruise drowning in the submerged turbine, and Henry Cavill reloading his arms. Literally the only thing I remember in Bond is Craig getting hit in the nuts and then a scene where he's locked in a chair and a needle goes into his...neck? His temple? Something like that. I honestly miss the extravagant over the top end of the world stuff. At least it was memorable. Now I have to watch Phineas and Ferb to get my fix.

[@douglasvermeeren9112]

Mission impossible meets home alone.

[@davidswan5295]

My theory is that Silva is Pierce Brosnan who was captured and tortured by the North Korean's and M made no attempt to get him back until she believed he was giving up state secrets

[@melvina628]

LOL. That's a good one. Nice.

[@jayharyu927]

This might be one of my favorite films, period.

[@avramlevitter6150]

The way I see the continuity, it's kinda like the tradition of anachronism when performing Shakespeare. They're all the same James Bond, but the backdrop of "what's going on in the world" is anachronistic.

[@pvthitch]

23:44 How much does that handgun weigh fully loaded?!?

[@markhalm9889]

That is a very good point.. Especially with that drum magazine

[@mjpaus]

Glock 18 weighs about 22 oz. 100 rounds of 9mm weighs about 53 oz. I'm not sure on the weight of that magazine. But I'd assume about 10 oz. So 75 oz or 4.5 lbs.

[@gnfnrf]

@@mjpaus But how much does depleted uranium 9mm weigh?

[@AnotherStatsGuy]

@1:49:00 -- Silva doesn't need to predict the action of everybody. He just needs to know his escape route ahead of time and plant the charges. If Bond doesn't follow him, he doesn't blow anything u, and as soon as he escapes, he goes to where M is.

[@rodrigocastillo4253]

In the opening titles sequence, when Bond shoots his own reflections in the mirrors... is that a reference to the climax in "The Lady from Shangai", by Orson Welles???