I wish all the tutorials/guides/comparisons would be presented the way you do it. Quiet, clear voice with concise and straight information. I am about to purchase the Arturia KeyLab Essential 61 and your video provides me with very valuable information to begin to get an idea about this world. Many thanks.
@paulvash6 жыл бұрын
This is a remarkably well-produced video. Thanks for working so hard on it, we really appreciate it. Subscribed!
@TheGr8scott6 жыл бұрын
Yeah sure of it. I don't remember seeing a more comprehensive or well edited review of anything.
@mcchickenmcdicken5 жыл бұрын
ditto
@marcuspearson62145 жыл бұрын
Agreed,,,Loopop and Divkid make the best videos.
@exoduslnx4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is as good as it gets.
@eddyf44264 жыл бұрын
The perspective corrected video overlay of the Arturia lab screen menu was very impressive
@Shoggy563 жыл бұрын
Three years later and this is still very helpful. Subscribed
@jessejohnson7591 Жыл бұрын
We need to give Loopop an award for teaching a generation how to play electronic instruments. I keep coming back to his videos to learn more. Just excellent!
@graxjpg4 жыл бұрын
I bought the essential as a computer controller, and i hardly ever use it. I am very excited about the functionality I had no idea about! Thanks so much for this.
@jonvincentmusic6 жыл бұрын
Lack of aftertouch on the Essential is the showstopper for me. Very in depth review. Well done.
@keithdunwoody13027 ай бұрын
Agree. Even monophonic would be acceptable at that price range IMHO.
@AndresBurgoa6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have the essentials and this video confirms I don't need to upgrade to mk2.
@dylanaguilar65456 жыл бұрын
Jaime-Andres Burgoa I agree
@ianbarcelos5 жыл бұрын
Why did you think it's not worth it?
@ricardofarinha89224 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me if the keyboard can have more than one midi channel? example: play two different sounds, one assigned to the left side, the other to the right side of the keyboard. Thank you.
@rolux48534 жыл бұрын
Ricardo Farinha Do you mean keyboard splitting? If yes, the answer is yes, it can do that!
@edysaldanha93343 жыл бұрын
@@rolux4853 I'm kinda late, but how u do that?
@SuperMegaWoofer30006 жыл бұрын
I had a play with the MK2 in a local shop the other day, it is VERY high quality. Very impressed!!!
@tcr3334 жыл бұрын
Are the keys better than on the native s61 mk2?
@totizedger10 ай бұрын
@@tcr333Only the 88 key Keylab uses a Fatar keybed which is what Native S61 and S88 has and it's a shame because i personally like more weighted keys, i think the keys are a bit too soft for my liking on the 61 and 49 because the keys are different but they actually are surprisingly responsive to touch which is very important though. The pitch and modwheel are really good because they feel very premium and i like that they are made of metal instead of plastic as i have had bad experiences with plastic in the past like the mod and pitch wheel beginning to act on their own
@jvburnes7 ай бұрын
Five years and the MKII is still one of the best midi keyboard controllers out there. All this and the CV interface too. Great demonstration of the CV functions. Excellent review.
@garrettendi3 жыл бұрын
I think the Mk2 is definitely better, but I'm glad I settled for the Essential. It does what I need it to do, so I saved money! I also agree about taking it on the road over the Mk2
@mkteku3 жыл бұрын
In my book, PADS should be on the right and FADERS on the left. Righties most often play drums with the right hand (helping with the left) and when you wanna use faders for changing expression and volume and similar, many play the keys with the right hand and move the faders with the left. Many disagree?
@charlescoviello30472 жыл бұрын
Thought the same, but knobs easier with with right hand and pads do chords as well (left hand). Maybe?
@kebbinator2 жыл бұрын
I never thought about that, that might explain why I love the layout of the Keylab vs a lot of other MIDI keyboards as a lefty player.
@Pummelfay2 жыл бұрын
Yes disagree (im left handed)
@woodyoulove-reynaldguibone6890 Жыл бұрын
Yup. Especially if you are playing with the band. You don't need to use your left hand to play low notes all the time since you have a bass player (except if the song needs a low notes synth). So you can use your left hand for faders and knobs to adjust parameters while playing.
@josephramone5805 Жыл бұрын
You're asolutely 💯 right. I love my Keylab 49 Mk2, but the layout of the pads and knobs should be swapped. A huge oversight, IMO
@brandonmarquez73965 жыл бұрын
This video is so well-produced , damn ! ,a big thank you!
@mpmi75885 жыл бұрын
That sequencer info was really key for me. Thank you. I'm a hardware guy that only records in a daw. And I needed to know if it could sequence outside gear. Unfortunately it does not seem to or doesent do it very well so this really helped me decide what to get. Thanks man.
@jessewarren8174 жыл бұрын
You may have seen it already, but look into the brand new Arturia Keystep Pro! It looks like exactly what you are looking for
@MisterDivineAdVenture2 жыл бұрын
Okay so terrific that I'm going to listen to it again. ! Q: I am a recurring deb, extremely creative / talented, with zero discipline. Now I have to score a channel and I'm excited to be forced to put into practice some very cool theory and get my fingers to obey and brain to lead. My favorite keybed for example is an old Hammond dual that I am keeping for instant comp. Incomparable for light action and pure play. No keybed noise at all, and easy to glide with one finger - but of course no VS, no AT. I bought an Oxygen Pro 61 to start and am getting the top gear SW for the show debut during the BF sales - the keyboard is an improvement over the base NI A61 that was abysmal, and it's fine, but I am such a deb that I want a keybed that I love. This keyboard is exciting me. All the music stores are tits-up. I can go with this 61Mk2 or the 88 - any comment to this effect of satisfying my inner piano Picasso will be solid. (Actually, I will be working 90% with Orch and Choir and Synth. It's the Divine thing. So....)
@WycliffStudios3 жыл бұрын
Wish Arturia wakes up and makes an MK3 version of the Essentials and the MK2. These are still good in 2021, imagine what would happen if they introduce a new version with better Ableton integration and control! We need a 37 key version too!
@prod_by_slvg2 жыл бұрын
YOU NEVER DISAPPOINT LOOPOP!!!!!! Thanks for all your music and reviews. I've never seen a channel with more reviews than yours. and if could review the channel, i'd just say 7 stars.
@ocelot9724 жыл бұрын
As always, a very useful video! I'm planning to upgrade to the black KeyLab Mk2 61 and integrate it with my Analog Lab. I'm the kind of person that needs time to fall in love with all the plugins around and less is more for me. Arturia did a tremendous job with their emulations, I jus't can't stop playing them and KeyLab is the perfect tool to finally get my eyes off the screen and let go of the mouse. I'm am always for hans on instrumenst rather than turning some virtual knobs. It just isn't the same when you're turning the filter knob with your hands and the KeyLab will fix that for me. I already have the Minibrute 2 so I'll continue to use it for sequencing since thats the only thing those two are missing. Thanks once again for this in depth comparison!
@anthonysilva53124 жыл бұрын
Dude this was an amazingly informative and illustrative video- Arturia should hire you!! Thank you for sharing! Subscribed.
@jonathancordero5345 жыл бұрын
Awesome review man. Simple, yet detailed descriptions of the differences and similarities of each controller. And great production and audio quality. Thank you!
@michaelduff23825 жыл бұрын
What a great review and comparison. Thank you!
@drjthornley Жыл бұрын
Your presentation style and content is 100%. Your colleagues could learn a lot from you and thanks for pointing me at the mkii
@KordTaylor3 жыл бұрын
Ok. Sorry if I already made this comment. But yeah this is SUCH a useful video. As companies have multiple product price points comparing within the same product line is so helpful. Thank you!
@KaitavSapreMusic5 жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown. Your videos are always helpful and concise. Keep up the good work!
@mcnitt6 жыл бұрын
I have V Collection 6 but don't use it or automate parameters as often as I'd like due to the extra steps of browsing with keyboard and mouse and the extra steps of controller mapping. Thank you for this. I'll give the MK2 a try.
@homeslice14795 жыл бұрын
If you're gonna offer two different controller lines at two different price points, I think you'd be hard pressed to do better than Arturia. These are both really nice.
@lilnatedogg244 жыл бұрын
What do you dislike about arturia?
@dbmusicproductions91814 жыл бұрын
I just subscribed and wish I had known about your channel earlier. I now know exactly what I need to know about these two models. Honestly, I don't have to make a trip down to the store to try them out after your tutorial. I know which model I will buy because your video was thorough and answered every question I had about three seconds after I thought of it. I'll also echo what others said. This is a fantastically produced video. Everything is very clearly explained and impeccably laid out. It's the model for others who aspire to make the best tutorial videos, really! What software do you use to produce the video? I loved what you did with the screen capture perspective at 8:18 and have no idea how to do it myself. Also loved that you posted time segments on the left side of the screen for the entire video. Superb work.
@scott_pinzon5 жыл бұрын
REALLY helpful to this n00b electronic musician. Gives a great understanding of what the extra money gets you. After watching the video, I looked up the Mk II and for all you get, the price seems like a good value. i love the detail and accuracy of your videos. Your mind seems like a very well-organized space!
@leopoldbluesky Жыл бұрын
This was a great overview and extremely well presented. I was deciding between buying the Essentials and the MkII and you have convinced me to go for the MkII, thank you!
@trizzledog6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm ordering a 61key MKII now
@متوكلمحمدعثمان6 жыл бұрын
I want buy one
@sensium97574 жыл бұрын
You are a beast of presenter!
@racrity5 жыл бұрын
Audio beast! Every second was worthed. Watching it again soon for sure.
@sterling_max6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks, the work you put on it was amazing.
@lambertlambert70765 жыл бұрын
Thanks for helping me to avoid buying the expensive MKII. I just ordered the essential one and when I will have enough of these smooth keys, I will connect an additional keyboard with harder touch.
@casadasmelodias33794 жыл бұрын
Yap. With a very cheap one, which has aftertouch, I have ordered essential 88. I realized that I don't need mk ii, because I think mkii was designed for live player, but if you are a home studio "player" essential will be very useful.
@djba3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a very clear and helpful video. I was planning on getting the Essential 88 key version but now I might save up for the MKII 61 key version.
@sambodutch54335 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro, terrific review man I learned a lot, very well done and very appreciated. Peace love and happiness to ya.
@RENAADALD3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time and effort to make this ♥️
@SeanHaleWoodcraftsandMusic Жыл бұрын
Great Video! You really broke down what I wanted to know without unwanted fluff. Thank You
@paulgrooveside28033 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this well-paced and considerate thorough video discussion of the two keyboards. Very useful and has motivated me to subscribe.
@robertoakhbari16915 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and presentation. Thank you for doing it so great. It helped me a lot to choose witch model to buy. / Best Regards Roberto
@jancarsonweatherby15795 жыл бұрын
The SL Mk3 is not class compliant, and requires drivers and additional software in order to do any detailed midi remapping of virtual synth controls. I found this to be too much of a pain, and returned my unit. I'm now waiting for the Keylab 49 Mk2. Thanks for this handy comparison video. It answers a lot of questions!
@user34user7320 күн бұрын
Oh wow thank you for your review! I was thinking of getting keylab mk3, your review really helpfull
@nicolasstrawberry41484 жыл бұрын
Just bought the keylab essential 49 as a midi controller for my iPad Pro, works great, also hooked it up to my MacBook Pro and it works great with the Arturia V Collection. Although I like the semi weighted keys on my main midi keyboard controller, I have to admit that for a cheap $200 midi controller the keylab essential packs a lot of bang for the buck, especially the integration with the Arturia software. Now I’m considering the Keylab 88 with the weighted keys.
@anonymous_friend2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a great controller for my ipad. What apps are you running that use the keylab well? Does Arturia have apps available on ipad to support these controllers? Thanks!
@nicolasstrawberry41482 жыл бұрын
@@anonymous_friend It works great as far as just plugging it in and playing and having 49 full size keys for $200 as far as the iPad goes but its nothing REALLY great as far as the iPad goes, you can map the knobs and faders with whatever software has midi learn but haven't ran across and pre mapped apps on the iPad for the Essential. If Arturia ever came out with Analog Lab for the iPad and it worked the same as the desktop version and it was an AUV3, that would be a whole other story and pretty much a game changer for me. After having it for a year it really shines using it with a laptop and Arturia software. Even if you didn't buy the V collection and just used Analog Lab which comes with it you'd be set. Btw I mostly use the Korg Microkey Air 37 with my iPad , it has bluetooth for when I just want to play and not have to use a usb cable.
@deedeediro14304 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video and for demonstrating. Your voice is super soothing too BTW!
@odrezzi4 жыл бұрын
What a great video! Thanks for all the info, it’s really helpful and informative.
@louierubio5 жыл бұрын
As usual, the best made + most informative video re the hardware. Thanks again!!!
@WarradioTest6 жыл бұрын
gives a very good image off the 2 controllers, thank you! (previous reviews I've seen were shitty, although they had more viewers. keep up the work!)
@ohheyitskevinc2 жыл бұрын
Great walkthrough. 15:30 I have a Komplete Kontrol S61 mkII and the reason I’m here is because it’s absolutely useless as a midi controller with external hardware. So am looking for something that is useful. I’m honestly not sure why it has midi ports on the back as you can’t select midi channel - it’s always 1. And apart from the keys, mod, pitch and transpose buttons, none of the knobs or buttons do anything midi wise. They only work with the KK software, or daw, and can’t send and map midi through a daw as you need the KK software open - and there’s no way to trick it either by having say KK on a track - because as soon as you click off the plugin - everything on the keyboard switches off. On this though - looks great. I do wish Arturia would bring out a full size Keystep Pro with the additional functionality this has. I’d buy that in a heartbeat.
@kezstone1 Жыл бұрын
Great review thank you. No arpeggiator on either which is a let down.
@Whitetysnowny3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for such detail comparison. It really helps.
@leetronix5 жыл бұрын
Very well presented and informative - thank you :)
@JFMatte10 ай бұрын
Great video. After watching it, I'm returning the 61 essential I just bought and getting the Keylab MKII. Very well done video, subscribed ! Next time I'll watch your video BEFORE buying 🙂
@taylorshareen26909 ай бұрын
there is a keylab essential mk3 88keys relased recently . should i wait more for Mk3 keylab version?
@fecklessmovies4 жыл бұрын
These both look amazing. My dilemma is whether to pay £200 extra for the MkII just to get slightly better feel of keys, a few more DAW controls and... possibly a big deal: Aftertouch. Also the 'essentials' version will take up less space on my desk, which is a pretty big deal. Hmm.
@TomGrimmy2 жыл бұрын
Which did you go for? I’m deciding this too 😅
@axoplanet60812 жыл бұрын
@@TomGrimmy The keys of the MK2 are way better and worth the money against the essential. Plus the extra functions are a lot better for controlling Analog Lab. But the encoders are the same, not very good on both units.
@andrewsalas11542 жыл бұрын
@@axoplanet6081 are the black keys wider on the MK2 than the essential? I just bought the essential and the black keys feel akward width wise, not sure if its my head or what. I don't remember my M Audio Oxygen feeling this way.
@axoplanet60812 жыл бұрын
@@andrewsalas1154 I don't know, sorry. But on the MK2, my fingers was slide of a bit from the black keys. So I don't think they are wider. I loved the keybed from the MK2. Very velocity responsive and nice to play on. A little light, but a way better response then on a MPK261 for example. But I sold it because of the encoders, after got it back from guarantee-repair. Now I have an Novation SL3.
@andrewsalas11542 жыл бұрын
@@axoplanet6081 I don’t think the novation works well with FL studio tho.
@svboxtel765 жыл бұрын
Super review! Thanks!!
@gernrene6 жыл бұрын
The essential can't send NRPN messages, but the mk2 has some options. I wish they would add NRPN support via firmware update.
@loopop6 жыл бұрын
Good comment - I'll add that to the description and give you credit - thanks!
@DaH1pp1e4 жыл бұрын
@@loopop I know I’m late but what exactly is an NRPN?
@loopop4 жыл бұрын
A way to send high resolution values in midi (16000+ levels as opposed to 127 with regular ccs)
@chakko0073 жыл бұрын
There are a couple of things I wished they would add with a firmware update... I think Arturia saved a bit on the wrong end in the Keylab Essential. Seriously, the competition has an onboard arpeggiator, and a lot more tricks in their budget keyboards. It's fine that Arturia want to distinguish between the cheaper and more expensive models, but, there are things which should be pretty much standard on these keyboards. Hope they'll add some more functionality on a potential mk2 Keylab Essentials. Things I'd like to see: Onboard arpeggiator, maybe a sequencer, and multiple pages of MIDI CC's for the controls in user mode.
@josemariomonzon Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, just how I like it, clear a concise, perfect video, thank you!
@sixsigmasix5 жыл бұрын
Very well done Video. Probably one of the best in this category I have seen. Nice & clear voice, very relevant content. Will look into future ones & check your patrion profile. Subscribed!
@Raju Жыл бұрын
Beautifully presented. Instantly subbed.
@CipriPopescu2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! But build quality is more important than one can think. I’ve had a Novation Impulse 61 for the last years, but I could never use any of the parameters mapped on knobs and faders. The plastic, the encoders and the display are so cheap that even the slightest tremble would make the parameters go crazy. And it’s not even that cheap for a midi controller (360$). The price is important, but if the built quality is sh*t, then you end up not using the functions, so basically you pay for something that you don’t use at full capacity.
@philmarsh55932 жыл бұрын
You might have actually had a faulty one - I had an Impulse 61 for about 8 years until it died this year and it was fine (although the knobs are light, I had no parameters change without me tweaking). I have had 1 Keylab MkII though which just got returned as the parameters on that WERE going crazy - they think a faulty motherboard. I'll probably just get another though, it's a great keyboard otherwise.
@andesneko2 жыл бұрын
@@philmarsh5593 Same! My motherboard was swapped and it works perfectly now.
@peanutygoodness5 ай бұрын
I’ve had a similar issue with MAUDIO Oxygen Pro 25. Recently I can’t turn it on with it interfering with I/O which makes it impossible to use Live or MPC - if I trigger rec it will start recording and immediately stop with about 1/20th of a second recorded. It’s probably a faulty controller as the OLED has become a smeared blur also for no reason I could find.
@peanutygoodness5 ай бұрын
@@philmarsh5593I think my MAUDIO O2 Pro falls into that faulty category, but lucky me it didn’t start getting weird until I had had it for about a year.
@fjk11384 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison video, thank you for doing this.
@anzatzi2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for discussing key dynamics
@RetroPlus3 жыл бұрын
I have the essential 61, the analogue lab software is absolutely incredible
@Krystalwatchesvideos5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Incredibly helpful!
@harmonicseries65823 жыл бұрын
I’m not loving the tones they sound like coming from back of a tunnel, but the best video I have seen for this thing.
@AlOne-xg6dv3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, clear and straightforward présentation. Thanks.
@Eric-pu7lp3 жыл бұрын
Great video watched till the end♥️💪🏽
@alexsa1225 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro, you helped me so much
@groovygandalf59865 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at various priced 49-key midi controllers for the past 3 days, and this review gave me absolutely everything I needed, and I'm going to move forward with the MKII!
@djba2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a very clear, well-done video.
@Javier_beck2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This video totally helped me!
@nickydempsey25526 жыл бұрын
Great job. keep em coming.
@DjLexXxusEDM4LIFE2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I own the KeyLab 88 MkII Supreme Controller. Love it!
@ViViToCreations5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Great video explanation.
@justindevosmusic5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome in depth review 👍
@gcroteau72263 жыл бұрын
Superb explanations. Thank you very much. Very useful. I greatly appreciate.
@paulgrooveside28034 жыл бұрын
Excellent and informative video, thanks!
@fabianvasquezjr88526 жыл бұрын
Being a novice keyboard player with a home studio needing a good controller for software synthesis and editing drums ect...I had the same issue of which one of the Arturia's keylabs to buy. I chose the keylab 49 MKii for build quality and DAW integration with Studio One 4. Also wanting to explore modular synthesis in the future, the cv hookups will be needed now that's is getting affordable for the home studio owner/ musician/ artist.
@nio2418 Жыл бұрын
Does it work well with studio one?
@Onelychild6 жыл бұрын
Great Review! Thank you very much for sharing this!
@NickMcC Жыл бұрын
I went to a local store that had a used Essentials on display and I was kinda repulsed by the low quality of the keys. I've got a Komplete Kontrol S61 Mkii and have been spoiled by the feel of it. I'm just kinda miffed at all the other parts of it, so I've been eyeing the Keylab products. Happy to hear that the mkii has better key feel.
@negan311211 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. My desicion is all set. MK2
@mikas.e6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this!!
@michealramzy1.15 жыл бұрын
Awesome review and comparison!
@LipHop223 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks for this awesome video.
@ΒασίληςΠαναγόπουλος-ρ5η5 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Great work!!!
@jdtorian6 жыл бұрын
super helpful. thank you.
@hunterjpierce46235 жыл бұрын
great video, but why are the keyboard sounds hard panned left in headphones?
@frankymino87734 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your in depth comparison of these midi keyboard/controllers. For such a premium controller one would expect the power supply to come with it. I know it's bus powered though I use the 5 pins to other devices aswell and prefer a power supply for stability and integrity. I don't take too well when companies leave out an important component that is required when the user/customer needs it. They don't even sell one for their product. So if I purchase my own power supply and fry the keyboard due to a faulty power supply then warranty is void. These kind of cost cutting measures steer me away from the product. I will look elsewhere. Thanks again for the comparison of these two fine midi keyboards.
@telogic16 жыл бұрын
I have the mk2 its a great controller
@fredmanteghian59136 жыл бұрын
I am waiting for mine from Sweetwater. Did you go with black or white? My only concern is, on the Axiom Pro, I use blue painters tape to scribble my BFD3 drum keypad assignments. I don't see any place to do that on the MkII as I have my drums spread over the 61 keys and the first octave has special printed info I don't want to cover up! I may have to go with thinner tape . . .
@adnorinmendez506 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison and lots of detail. What this video failed to answer was the initial question (video title)... Arturia KeyLab MK2 vs Essential: Is it worth the price difference?
@loopop6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.... I guess - whenever I phrase a title as a question it means in my opinion is no right answer. My aim is to give the information so people can make the decision for themselves. Otherwise the title would be “don’t by this buy that”. One keyboard is perfect for a certain set of needs and budget, and one is not
@nicholascartagena8146 жыл бұрын
Nice, But would love to use the chord button to access scales instead of manually inputting them. And a drum roll button for the pads would be cool. Those little improvements would make it a complete controller.
@rapidfiremuzik_official5 жыл бұрын
Drum roll button?....are you kinda meaning like Akai's "note repeat" function?...If so?...THAT WOULD be a bonus
@Skiddoo424 жыл бұрын
I'd also be quick to add that these chords are very likely fixed intervals, so unless you know your scales you are going to have a hard time transposing and choosing the right chords for the scale you are playing in unless you stay in one key all the time... At least my Kordbot tells me what chord I'm playing and the keys light up, with this you are flying completely blind.
@vewilli3 жыл бұрын
Super comparison! 👏🏻👍🏻👏🏻
@christophefeuillade61074 жыл бұрын
Real good job you've done with nice and useful pip addins 😉 thanks a lot
@trevor48355 жыл бұрын
Will definitely be going with mark ii
@maxcruz4144 жыл бұрын
Thanks this video was super helpful
@deejaytheory6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the detailed vid!
@furryz6665 жыл бұрын
Still loving my original beast keylab 88 with fatar weighted keys with aluminum housing and solid Wood sides
6 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍
@tautopia3 жыл бұрын
Great Content, Thank you!
@abipelayo62284 жыл бұрын
How long has the essential been with you? Is it durable?
@daleonov4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@scobraw477112 жыл бұрын
I had a Yamaha DX7 in 1986. It had the same screen.