Creepy Player Attempts to Mind Control D&D Party To Acquire A Harem | RPG Horror Stories

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[@MilieuGames]

I blame the DM the most. A big thing to remember is that sometimes problem players are that way because you never told them it's a problem.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Definitely!

[@1TieDye1]

Agreed. And there attempt to “help” him was literally just enabling him

[@forgottenfamily]

If you bring a guy with these problems in to try and help reform him, you have him play a comparatively normal character so he practices having normal interactions with women and hopefully can develop normal mentality. You don't have him in a situation where he gets to live out his fantasies and in many ways create new victims of sexual harassment. The poster and Nat might have made mistakes, but it seems like a lot of people recognized there was a problem given the number of consent issues involved. The DMs were not given nearly enough criticism here.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Yeah that’s what confused me. They basically gave him the go ahead. I know the writer tried to say that the DCs for these spells were high and all, but why let the guy roll at all to victimize fellow PCs. And why let him already have succeeded on one NPC and imply he can have an harem…

[@forgottenfamily]

@@lootgoblinmarketplace I can easily imagine that the full story was a progressive "weird situation just keeps getting worse over several months" - eg: sure you can play... sure you can have a familiar... hypnotized? Well I guess she's an NPC... I guess it is in character for him to be hitting on other women... I guess it is in character for him to be hypnotizing but... etc At some point though... there's got to be enough red flags here to intervene. If you're uncomfortable with it and you try to set up some lines, you've got to intervene when those lines get crossed.

[@reverendmorgano9659]

@@forgottenfamily I agree. The DM couple were in truth the real problem in this scenario because they were enablers with self-delusions of being licensed therapists. Sure, the edge lord and Nat shouldn't have resorted to metagaming retribution and should have spoken up sooner and asked the DM couple to do something, but they honestly shouldn't have had to endure Dave's perverse antics in the first place. A good DM doesn't wait for the players to get sick of something before acting to stop behavior literally anyone with even the slightest grasp of morality or sense knows is not appropriate. The entire scenario sounds cringy as hell, like a couple whose son is a serial killer but rather than try to get him the help he actually needs they indulge him by helping him capture victims, all the while telling themselves and others that they really believe he'll get better if they keep helping him. Honestly, it's debatable as to which of them is more mentally ill but there is no denying that all three of them are very much to blame for the harm being done and that does make all of them very sick individuals.

[@elise3517]

You also *make sure the other players are aware of and comfortable with the situation* I know this was a decade ago, but come on, this guy tried to nonconsent another PC

[@reverendmorgano9659]

@elise3517 It doesn't matter when it happened. It wasn't ok then and it's not ok now.

[@trevorplaysdnd]

DM should not have allowed this. Absolute failing on their part. The only time I ever tried to do something remotely close to this was when I cast sleep on a party member to stop them scaring villagers. The DM stopped me and said that it wasn’t ok to be taking the agency away from other players like that and I apologized and realized my mistake. That’s how it should have gone.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

100% that the DM should of not allowed this. I agree that it’s a player agency issue even before the creepy undertones. Their intent made it even worse too.

[@trevorplaysdnd]

@@lootgoblinmarketplace yeah, personally I think that while the poster could have handled it better they did a decent job all things considered. In my eyes that type of meta gaming isn’t a big issue for me, especially since there are in character reasons for a lot of the avengers actions, and player griefing probably seemed like their best solution given the dms complacency

[@trevorplaysdnd]

I respect the DMs for wanting to rehabilitate/ improve Dave but that should not have taken place in a group setting with people unaware/unconsenting of the situation. That’s unfair on the players and it’s unsurprising that it ended up creating conflict in the group

[@mungorumple]

"Out of game problems can't be solved with ingame solutions" SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Yeah, this scenario really is the perfect example. I see it so many times where people try to keep it “in the game” when it was never a gameplay issue.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Both the DMs and past OP need to hear this. You cant solve real life social issues by having them do it in DnD.

[@l0stndamned]

I very much feel the DM was enabling the problem player here. They were encouraging the bad behaviour rather than limiting it and unfairly exposing others who hadn't consented to being part of this hairbrained makeshift therapy session.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Yeah, it’s kind of wild that they thought this was helping anyone!

[@CaymenLeP]

I appreciate OP being so reflective about his actions

[@sirborfborf2158]

Now i wanna play dnd more because of all these crazy stories

[@jefftheevilpotato]

same!

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Yeah, I always get the itch to play after I see some of these longer stories!

[@Yeahyeah993]

Fr!

[@realdragon]

Do it, if you want crazy shit to happen I recommend dark fantasy

[@Maninawig]

Having studied mental issues (and dealt with my own) a lot, it seems like the DMs tried applying exposure therapy with Dave, which is commendable, but misplaced. My guess is that they might not have had much training in the matter, else they would have known that this would only work if the group was warned about his condition and how to avoid it, agreeing to these terms (e.i. everyone has to work together). Another aspect that reveals the DMs lack of medical knowledge is that they should have kept checking up on the other players to make sure that nobody was getting overwhelmed. Here, asking the right questions would have revealed the tension and prevented the metagaming tag-team.

[@shadenox8164]

It seems more like it would have been helpful to not him do these things to show him they aren't okay.

[@Maninawig]

@@shadenox8164 true. There are different approaches one can take, depending on the individuals involved. Exposure Therapy is a method that allows you to work through traumas by exposing you to triggers in a safe space. Using that definition, D&D would be a safe space to explore certain elements as it is all theater of the mind experienced by a third party creating that safe space. However, the key element missing is having a trained and experienced professional at the helm, taking on the role of a DM. Given that sich a key element was missing, the next best method a DM can use to help a player out is exactly what you mentionned: show them that it's not ok, but in a safe environment where each member is both willing and able to be forgiving. The qualifiers for this method are much lower, yet the DM still fell short by not consulting the other players.

[@frequentlyaskedanswers1441]

This goblin is cute. And a sweet voice. Truly the best horror story narrator. Nice video, cant wait to see more.

[@frequentlyaskedanswers1441]

Loot goblin seems to have innate charm person.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Haha thanks, this goblin has become so charming that even I the narrator am under his spell!

[@rdd567]

Why do I feel like the DM is mostly to blame here? If they are indeed experienced, they prob never should’ve let the web get that character background. Tbh if I was having a session with him, I would probably try my best to create a “rocks fall and he dies” situation just to spite him.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Oh I agree. The DM was aware of the problem player’s behaviors, stated they disapprove of the behavior, but still let them constantly roll to engage in said behavior. The DM should not be surprised at all that the other players did not approve of what was going on.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

The DMs really didn't think this through even slightly. "We want to help him with his views on women. So let's play into his power fantasy and let it happen with no consequences." It's like going to AA and they hand you a case of beer and tell you to have a good time. This isn't helping, this is enabling.

[@NoorinStuff]

I really like how you used short for the tldr and normal yt video for the full story, very creative usage of the platform! (also love the goblin mascot too- very cute design and I cant take my eyes off them)

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Thank you. I love the design too! I think these TL;drs definitely have been helpful in letting people know if they’d be interested. I always wished channels did it so I figured I might as well

[@theworldsgreatestjidiot9667]

The "but it was twelve years ago so we didn't really care" really got me!

[@keysystem]

this title screams “banger”

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

It was a doozy alright!

[@Pho7on]

Thank you for the comment at the end; I thought the whole "therapy" aspect was stupid and naïve. That kitsune dude should have been OUT.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Yeah, if they want to take time out of their day to help the guy… I can appreciate that. Nothing wrong with helping the guy on your own time. It seems like they for some reason decided to make it a group thing that no everyone agreed to and we can all see that was a mistake.

[@DrGlacier007]

I just noticed the two small goblins appearing in the background 👀

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Haha, I was wondering when someone would!

[@bagel4976]

I like to listen to these and find out ways how my character would find a solution to it, it help builds character to it

[@DBinitiate]

Friendly reminder that mental issues are never an excuse to do messed of stuff.

[@VestedUTuber]

Honestly, I get the feeling that the DM _wouldn't_ have actually been that helpful. They were giving Dave way too many chances here, and they flat out enabled him by letting him play a character with hypnosis spells and allowing him to literally have a brainwashed sex slave as a "companion". As for Dave himself... while I don't blame him for having a hypnosis kink, things like that should only happen between consenting parties in private spaces. Mental health issues or not, you don't force that into a public game on people who aren't consenting to it, it's practically rape at that point. While I don't condone the griefing against him, Edgelord and Nat had every right to be upset, mental health issues or not. It's one thing to have a kink or fetish, it's another to try and "magical realm" it on everyone. What I would have done in that case is bring it up to the DM, but have a backup plan to leave the group if the DM decides to just be a doormat about it.

[@warrenpeace5366]

Yeah that's tough. The DM Should've, from the get-go sat his Party down and said what the situation was. Would've learned a lot sooner that it wouldn't be a good fit, especially if there are a lot of women in the game. Secondly, The DM failed to do what he set out to do. It was a ridiculously tough challenge to begin with, but he if anything enabled his behavior. The first time he tried to enchant another PC, or even a NPC to do something nasty to another PC, that should've been one of those learning moments. "How about instead of charming them and forcing them to do what you want, you approach them, and convince them to join in a harmless prank." idk anything than just letting them mess with the Group.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Yeah, the DM took on a huge responsibility and didn’t disclose it to anyone. I think people might even want to help if being clued in but those who don’t want to deal with a player like that (myself included) should be given the option to walk away before it got to this point.

[@capitalbeat1749]

top notch quality mate, loved the vid

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Thank you, I really appreciate it!

[@Qardo]

I am wondering. Are these physical in person or are they done over other means? After all. If someone dares does this in person. They would get slapped across the face. Then, thrown out of the building. Just them. All their crap left behind as payment for their stupidity. If it isn't in person and over the internet. -.- Just disconnect.

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

A lot of these stories are online, mainly over Virtual Tabletops like Roll 20 using voice chats to communicate. I’m sure a lack of direct confrontation plays a roll in many of these stories. There have been a few I covered though where it was in person and just as bad!

[@curioussavagery802]

Honestly, it may not have been the right choice but it wasn’t the wrong place. The dm is interesting he wrong here. He didn’t need ttrpgs, he needed actual help. They exposed him and his behavior to other people (especially without letting them know), so the dms didn’t even get consent.

[@DoubleJJizzle]

The dms made a big mistake here, you can't be a therapist for someone with these kinds of problems, and then actually support and encourage the behavior. They may not have been openly supporting his antics, but being the ones in charge, they also never stopped or reprimanded him for them either. Im sure the dms are fine people, and were only trying to do good, but they went about it the wrong way, likely made his behavior even worse, and subjected other people to possible trauma.

[@masonmachell683]

0:22 lil gobby in the back it’s so cute. 0:30 two gobbies. 0:32 3 gobbies

[@mrcatsbattlefield7072]

If i hear anime and dnd in the same sentence i automatically remember what i called "weeb bait" when i dm'd where i set scenarios to good to be true for the weeb to pin anime all over only for it to live up to to good tobe true. Example: a bar with a very blushy and shy beautiful girl. When they try to make it more anime then it is for bait purpouses: turns out they were doing a act to get sombody to get closer to gain a hostage for a very risky armed robbery! Normally i try it if theres red flags if there smart enough to investigate 1st there normally not game spoiling level. Only my experience and i chose to say it cuz why not

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

I think that is fun to have villains/criminals play into tropes only to abuse adventuring parties. After all they probably live in a world full of adventurers so they have learned how to con a few in their time too!

[@soul4pasta]

I know I could google it, but this community has been great answering my questions so far (y’all are awesome). So at the risk of sounding like a noob, the heck is a Weeaboo? Am I just that old now? 😅

[@JayMustang]

Weeaboo is nerd slang for that guy whose hyper obsessed with anime and Japan in general, now I had my weeaboo phase growing up, but I can definitely say I grew out of it, but I was never as bad as this guy in the story, this is the kind of guy if he was at my table I’d have to take the dm to the side and be like you need to get him to stop or make him leave

[@Pho7on]

Did someone just say weaboo? .... Weaboo! Weaboo! (courtesy of the perry bible fellowship)

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Nightflash is totally right. It slang and the big takeaway is it’s hyper obsession to the point it’s crosses into a detrimental territory. I know plenty of people who like anime and even play anime inspired characters without issue. But there is a common enough trope that the protagonist in a lot of anime end up having a harem of girls that follow him around by the end of the show… it isn’t exactly a thing I want to deal with as a DM. If you want to play a dating simulator there are already plenty of those available!

[@shadenox8164]

@@lootgoblinmarketplace I'd also add weeaboos basically almost hit the point of fetishining Japanese culture, but not actual Japanese culture the fictional version of it where its all anime and katanas.

[@SupremPyro]

I'm nearly 3 months to late but one thing confuses me. The Avenger has a traumatic experience with hypnosis/mind control hence why he could see what dave was trying to do. Shouldn't he either go baserk on him or have a mental breakdown after being hypnotied even if it was for a short time and a prank?

[@FaisLittleWhiteRaven]

2 months too late to reply but I suspect the Avenger's player probably did RP a few breakdowns for him (or 'easily ignored' hissy fits) but those were probably not particularly relevant to the story as I could easily see these DMs praising moments like those as being 'great RP' without bating an eyelash as to why it kept happening so long as it never resulted in the 'oh so awful' direct PC vs PC combat (which given they tried to shut it down both times it nearly happened in story, was probably about the only 'players can upset other players with this' risk they actually understood and probably always gave the creep a free pass for nearly instigating repeatedly due to this being 'his therapy' and all DX). ...But that's just my gut read and I could easily be off base.

[@reverendparadox7316]

dave just playing rance

[@joekennedy498]

me and my freinds are fresh out of 9th grade and i hosted dnd sessions but the only problem was they would constantly joke by touching the boob of a maniquen that my mother had to the point that after the first session i litteraly hide the manquen so well that it was hard for me to even get to it

[@realdragon]

It's always kitsune with the weebs

[@chronenojysk5107]

If the Purpose of the DM is to make Dave “have better social skills” enabling him to roleplay as a creepy rapey weirdo is not helping

[@cfly1459]

Stories bussin’

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

No 🧢?

[@cfly1459]

No 🧢. You ate it up and left no crumbs! @@lootgoblinmarketplace

[@megatronjenkins2473]

(drops a comment, picks it up looking around. Nobody saw it, so I put the comment back on the shelf. Flies casually)

[@Sometings_fishy]

The story is cool, but my fanart is in the background in the start

[@squidboygrey2915]

More of a reason to laugh at hypno fetishes for being predatory

[@Bo4is]

Aight i get dnd is mostly to play out fantasys and get into interesting charcters with intereating perspectives. And if id run into a guy like the weeb here id be like "hes a little odd but sure let him have his fun" if hed do it in game as in with npcs but when ya try to force your fantasy onto a different player thats just wrong and ya deserve to be called and kicked out.

[@skyedwards8959]

Me and one of my friends have really been wanting to start a campaign but, we're very new to this. Does anyone have any tips?

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

So if you’re looking for a place to start Pinterest is fantastic for getting some art and battlemap inspirations! I would recommend Roll 20 for a free virtual tabletop too. Pathfinder 2e and D&D 5e both have a ton of free content available on their websites. There is a lot of fun content creators that talk D&D basics. Jocat has a popular series that is a guide to the classes that is a fun watch!

[@Dinoshadow6]

Nice

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

Glad you liked it!

[@AlexisTheDragon]

Nice lol. Hey I believe in freedom, if they can't make the save, that's the game, not all pvp has to be killing the other players. This is also hilarious.

[@marley7868]

no the dm here is just in the wrong they only come in to descalate when dave is picked on not when he instigates shit also the author here is kinda of spinless seriously your apologizing acting against inexcusable behavior

[@melvin2654]

I think I'm first comment and if not gg to whoever is

[@lootgoblinmarketplace]

You’re here first!

[@adrioumario1369]

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