Lopetegui under pressure as West Ham easily beaten by Liverpool | Brentford game big for Spaniard

It finished Liverpool 5-1 West Ham United at Anfield as Edson Alvarez was sent off as The Hammers exited the Carabao Cup. Lopetegui's side took the lead from a Quansah own goal before Diogo Jota scored either side of half time. Mo Salah made it 3-1 before Edson Alvarez was sent off with a second booking. Coady Gakpo scored twice in stoppage time to make it 5-1 and an easy night for Arne Slot
Support the channel on patreon and unlock more videos & benefits!!: / hammerschat
Donate to the channel here: paypal.me/hamm...
Our Sponsors
Manscaped: Use code hammerschatpubes for 20% off everything: uk.manscaped.com/
Surfshark: Use the code hammerschat for 4 months free or click link here: surfshark.deal...
Match Bingo: Add a little fun to watching the football: matchbingo.sng...
Our email (all enquires & clips): [e-mail]
Our online store hammerschatsto...
You can find us here:
Our Website: hammerschat.com
Our Twitter: / hammers_chat
Our Community Twitter: / chathammers
Our Facebook: / hammerschat
Our Instagram: / hammerschat
Join Our Discord: / discord
Our Other KZbin Channel: / hammerschatforum
#westham
#liverpool
#carabaocup
#westhamunited
#whufc

[@MyShowbizName]

I wish Ollie Scarles would get a crack at left back. I'm confident he would develop quickly given an opportunity. At least playing somebody like Scarles is giving hope to the academy and the supporters.

[@lyrixFH]

Now isn't really a good time

[@fredtraylen4311]

Agree 💯👍

[@brianchalk8800]

I think it is a good time to integrate the youngsters, I remember when we were going down and we introduced Ben Johnson and we found we had a really good player. I'm not sure this careful careful approach with youngsters is! I think we need the positive energy in the team that they bring and also give the crowd a lift

[@bobcollison9710]

I have accepted West Ham are slow of foot and slow of mind. I have also accepted we are not a very good team as a collective. Plus that I now can accept we are not what I was hoping we were going to be this season, so all said and done it’s back to the standard disappointing season I’ve nearly always experienced

[@kevinwood7827]

Today's Tony cottee interview on talk sport was very frank and I think spot on. Our goalkeeper was crap we can't play out from the back and we haven't any pace in the middle Also a big mistake not signing Duran! This manager seems more bullshit than substance If potter is still available grab him quickly.

[@markwilson4991]

Did I read a post match comment from Lopetegui whereby he said something akin to preparing for a proper game on Saturday?. Car crash comment

[@deenfurgsz6806]

Agree totally re. approach to cup competitions… fed up of years of it wasting our time and money…

[@zanussidish5685]

I'd have been so angry if I travelled up there to see Cresswelll start. Still can't believe he is in a squad.

[@stevierae5823]

I don't think anyone who looked at the lineup was surprised by that result. Ings up top on his own, Cress and Coufal at full back and Big Tom in the middle. The lack of pace alone with these players makes me scratch my head at Lopetegui's decisions.

[@westwoodhammer5057]

Dodge Woodall on KZbin has an interview with jack Sullivan. Just gonna stick it on, but a heads up Geo/Gonzo if you haven't seen it

[@brelshar4968]

If Potter is available and willing we should be scrambling for him immediatly.

[@bengullett6055]

Fair play to alvarez for showing fight and a bit of grit

[@lewisdowsett8390]

Geezers a liability

[@KenDodd1317]

Alvarez is a complete dope. He is a donkey

[@maximillianworrell2347]

its not Hackney Marshes ya dinlo

[@nanaorgen3605]

He was stupid. I don't know how you see the game. Sorry for being harsh with my words but it's the truth. He's become a liability

[@ShamrockDan]

The most stupid thing was the manager not taking him off, as after the 1st yellow it was obvious he'd get the 2nd at Anfield

[@andrew7780]

The pro Moyes fans telling us this is what you wanted are disingenuous the majority of the fan base never wanted Lopetegui and signed a Petition against his appointment.

[@akwamarsunzal]

In this corrupt cup starting out with a starting 11 that could be a backup starting 11, is ok with me. Liverpool, we havent beaten them at Anfield since the dinosaurs roamed the earth! Roll on the weekend!

[@stephenfuller4802]

I’m fully on board with the idea that the Moyes out gang are not to blame for getting Lopetegui in. But you have to admit that some of the Moyes In gang were trying to warn of this type of appointment as part of the reason they were Moyes in. Leaves the current debate in a bizarre situation. The two sides have split themselves into sub categories. It’s mad enough we all care about this so much in the first place. Peace

[@russelwebster4011]

Dodge Woodall KZbin Mate.

[@audialiastt2601]

Dan Matthews comment ref Moyes departure. 😢😢😢 I despair. Another fan saying "club listened to Hammers Chat" made me numb Geo. This is what we have to work with. 😭😭😭😭

[@HammersChat]

Honestly bonkers ain’t it? If only they listened about Duran 😂😂

[@russelwebster4011]

Have you seen Jack can't string a Sentence Together Sullivan interview. Woody podcast. Explains why if true the club is in a shit State.

[@HammersChat]

No mate, where is it?

[@pamwoodward5807]

Saw interview with dodge woodhall yesterday 😂

[@HammersChat]

@@pamwoodward5807 thanks Pam

[@kevinw1129]

Scoreline flattered Liverpool. Mind you Loppy needs to get much more out of this team. His starting line up was a capitulation! He's going to get heaved out soon if he doesn't improve.

[@512Squared]

Why? It's a long-term project. It's barely been a half dozen games in the Prem. We need to be patient. This is a new structure for the club, new in the sense that we now have a coach and director on the same page and can start to build that long-term footballing philosophy. It doesn't come in a day. The main thing is that we can at least be competitive, while we are finding our feet, and not drop heads too much when it isn't yet clicking. This is essentially a new team, a new philosophy, and for the players that were already here, a lot of changes to adapt to. The players won't really buy into the tactics until they see them working for the team, that the team is winning by using those tactics. When that happens, it becomes a virtuous circle of constant improvement. You can see that Lopetegui is very clear about that. He's asking for constant improvement, and that is exactly the approach. Keep applying, keep improving... in the system that is being used, and little by little the results will come, assuming it's a good philosophy. And you can see that Lopetegui has had success with those tactics and philosophy in the past.

[@dazzahoffa7198]

Summerville looks great......Floppy Loppy less so....

[@adamlees8410]

Kilman's bambi on ice footwork when trying to put the ball away for 2-2 summed us up at the moment. He looked a cert to tap in the ball and developed the old AJ legs and made a right ol pigs ear of it. Kilman has been our best player as well so that was typical of the run we're on. Hopefully Brentford will be the turning point.

[@melissayeboah1210]

Cap😏

[@russelwebster4011]

Loppy needs to send S Cooper a Xmas card. He is coping it at Leicester right now. Taking the heat of him

[@stuartgove975]

We are going down to see the millwall

[@jpjones2408]

If we had a few more points in the league and the pressure was off Lopetegui I think we would have seen a stronger team last night. Brentford is a bigger game for Lopetegui, desperately needs a win.

[@512Squared]

Agree. And probably the FA Cup has more prestige. But getting some results in the league is important. Todibo got 90 minutes yesterday and Soler was on for nearly 80s mins, and some squad players also got time on the pitch. We took the lead away from home. Positives to take from the game.

[@HammersChat]

Maybe, I just struggle with it mate, there’s only 2 cups and the next one ain’t until January, just disappointed with the XI.

[@PStewart1984]

I sorry but we need to put this in context: we’ve lost to Villa, Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Played two London Derby’s away (palace and Fulham) and got 4 points. This is a really difficult start to a season. I understand performances haven’t been great but the negativity helps no one. And calling for the managers head after 6 games when you see the list of teams we’ve played is crazy. Let’s stop building the pressure ourselves and just let it play out.

[@HammersChat]

I think we’ll still be fine this season, personally.

[@GlennPearson-z3k]

I think it’s sheer frustration carried over from Moyes tenure. I think we all myself included got a bit over excited not so much about the Lopetegui appointment but by the sheer number of transfers we made. But points need to be put on the and soon or it will get even worse.

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

We played like 💩 against villa and Chelsea. Only decent game against city

[@MyShowbizName]

Sorry for leaving so many comments but regarding the fans not being responsible for decisions at the club. While I totally agree that fans are not responsible for Lopetegui's appointment, Fulkrug''s signing etc. There is absolutely no way you can convince me that fans are not responsible for Moyes leaving. Can you honestly say that you think Sullivan and Brady would have wanted Moyes gone had there been no negativity from a large section of supporters? I imagine Sullivan would have been more than happy with the job Moyes did, the league positions and the European cup runs. While the fans should take no blame in the Lopetegui appointment, Moyes going is 100% because of the negativity from a portion of the fans.

[@HammersChat]

I must have worded it badly, the person said it was because of hammers chat precisely. Sorry Dom I thought I said that.

[@MyShowbizName]

​@@HammersChat I think fan channels collectively including West Ham news websites and social media accounts have some culpability in Moyes leaving but silly to say that Hammers Chat specifically was responsible.

[@HammersChat]

@@MyShowbizName I agree with all of that.

[@johncampbell9104]

Wish we had 11 Alverz Geo and Lapo off you go agree with you as well Geo what is Lapos starting 11 don't no he even nos were is this Brazilian Wonder Kid o Lapo take Sullivan and Brady with you is there master plan deep down is to totally destroy our team COYI ⚒️⚒️⚒️

[@robertsingleton4595]

I think the money/players we have bought only means we stay still against other teams from last season .We are still trying to play catch-up.

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

We need speed in all positions

[@audialiastt2601]

Geo, I thought we had a squad with a few good players but FAR TO MANY are to slow mate. It makes the good few average because they have to keep filling in for the slow ones. One example, was Cresswell's lack of legs, Summerville had to cover EVERY blade of grass on the left. Don't know how he managed it. Similar fashion on da right side.

[@audialiastt2601]

Geo, I thought we had a squad with a few good players but FAR TO MANY are to slow mate. It makes the good few average because they have to keep filling in for the slow ones. One example, was Cresswell's lack of legs, Summerville had to cover EVERY blade of grass on the left. Don't know how he managed it. Similar fashion on da right side.

[@dannycunningham8865]

Can't play Yr best 11 in every game, that madness! We were unluckily last nite, which was one of our best performances this season! The fact J-Lo can make 7 changes & took the game to Liverpool, is great! Cresswell was one of better players, Tobibo looked like the player Juve wanted, Bowen was on fire, Solar he the looked good on the whole espas an alternative to Paqueta, Antonio look really good, Jimmy was fab! Outside of not getting the rub of the green, bad officiating & Alvarez threw the game. With his red card! Also Ings started & was OK, wow.....

[@audialiastt2601]

Geo, had Lopetegui picked best team according to u & fans and we got beat EASIALLY, where are we then.

[@brianchalk8800]

I was really concerned but then I reality check myself that we have played Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Villa and I wouldn't have expected us to beat them. Although granted we are leaking goals like we did last season! I actually think Aguerd is a miss because he had a lot of pace at the back to get us out of trouble, or at worse we could have played him left back!

[@brianchalk8800]

There is a lot of good press on Steiden but I'm a little disappointed because our primary goal was to get a striker but we failed. Instead his initial focus was a young brasilian who is nowhere near the first team and looks like a waste of money if a 25M player can't get near the first team! Rodriquez & Fullkrug are aging and its tough to adapt to the premier league let alone in their 30s!

[@pauldunsford5736]

Not a unusual result against pool just look at last yr check out stats against the pool

[@peterjones2903]

10 or so managers working under David Sullivan they can’t all be absolutely useless. It must be David Sullivan. Please sell our club.

[@512Squared]

As if there was no other explanation. A new footballing structure (one that actually gives far more responsibility away from the Board to the Director of Football), a new footballing philosophy, a large number of new (and talented) players, and a new season. Don't you think this is a more plausible explanation for why the results are not yet coming or the team isn't yet fluid tactically? As for your idea that it's just all about the managers being useless, well, that's a muck-tinted spectacles point of view after three seasons in Europe and a European trophy. You don't achieve that if the managers are 'useless'. You create a problem that is only half real and then go in search of solution. Of course teams go through ups and downs, especially when you are not getting the absolute elite players. It isn't even about money. Can we offer regular Champion's League football? No. And yet people expect us to beat a team like Liverpool just by turning up. It takes an absolutely top performance by a team firing on all cylinders. It's just silly unrealistic expectations that are only focused on the short-term results and not the actual reality on the ground.

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

Let Scarles have a shot. Emerson not impressed and putting awb on left a waste

[@keithvandermotten9715]

Given our start to the season it was no surprise to me that he played that team. Chances of winning the game were very slim and some players were needing minutes. I also think our chances were slim whoever we played, if we’d been at home then maybe a different story. That’s just the state we’re currently in.

[@HarryFlowerrs]

I know you love Cresswell but neither him or Coufal should be anywhere near the first team or the club even!

[@kuinchad]

Marco Silva was and is the manager i wanted and with a £5million release clause easily got but Sullivan listens to his mate Salthouse to much and that is what will always be the core problem at the club

[@barrygyles2211]

It’s looking like JLo will become a “Millwall legend “.

[@kevinpeffer4761]

Why do we always go for managers that are out of work Mr Sullivan?

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

At least we're out of the corrupt cup

[@richardlewington3564]

If name me one good signing the TS has brought in (this current season) ?

[@GlennakaMush-kh1tp]

New contract for coach - 8 games x amount of points per game , targets not met we sack/remove with no pay off and we go again , simple really all in a days work for Tim , i just wanna be that fly when Tim tells Sullivan Lop has to go .

[@paunixon]

I could care less about the result, I was pleased with our organization and peformance for 70 minutes yesterday given the opposition and venue: perspective. It showed me that JL does get it. The first half was much better than I have seen so far. Unfortunately Alvarez has become a liability. Enjoy his tenacity, but he's not intelligent with it. Thought the starting 11 was interesting. Perhaps Cresswell was misplaced but frankly I thought the team was MUCH better against Liverpool than the "first team" were against Chelsea. Looking forward to Brentford.

[@WilliamRyan-b6o]

Gio Moyes went on his own accord because he doesn't like working with a director of football as we saw with steidten being banned from the training area it was his choice there was a contract but Moyes would not change

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

I thought Solet looked ok at least he shot on goal

[@andrew7780]

Forest beat Liverpool 0-1 at anfield stop with the excuses.

[@cm-oo1td]

Lopetegui has us playing like Real Madrid,,,,,, you know like just before they sacked him after 14 games 😮

[@HammersChat]

😂😂😂

[@michaeldeckker]

Sacking him should really be a last resort- you’ll need to allow time for another new Mgr and the season will be nearly half completed by then

[@HammersChat]

I don’t think we will or should but I do think the next 2 are important.

[@audialiastt2601]

WiFi Geo.

[@robertsingleton4595]

3-1 would have been fair score .Didn’t deserve the last two goal against us .Most people predicted a loss so we got what we expected.Overall was please with our performance .

[@colincorn8678]

i think so given the first goal was offside.Something to work with for Saturday

[@paulinebarbara5665]

So Liverpool were supposed to what? stop creating chances and putting them away so it's fair on West Ham who missed their chances 🤔

[@paulinebarbara5665]

It's not the 1st time Liverpool's 1st goal gets ruled out for offside but 95% of the time we still find a way to score especially at Anfield

[@dazzahoffa7198]

He put out a weakened side because he is terrified of Brentford.....that's a bad sign.

[@edelgyn2699]

That's your assumption...

[@Normskiblue]

West Ham fans wtf is going on? How could anyone think 5 - 1 is a progression from 3-0. Lopetegui is West Ham’s Brexit. We binned a manager that gave us a trophy and three consecutive European qualifications. This was all so predictable. Those people saying they wanted change but not Lopetegui make no sense. Sullivan was always going to go for a cut price flattery option. So why risk it?

[@gerryholmes7369]

I’m afraid the fan base (or enough of them) have delusions of grandeur and while that exists why would any decent manager risk running the gauntlet. If the manager is sacked soon it will compound this. Some fans said ‘anyone but Moyes’ those ones have no right to moan.

[@johnmiles899]

Not sure why we don’t try five at the back

[@HammersChat]

Think we might, I think the biggest prevention may be the lack of centre backs - we only have 3.

[@rhondatonytanti559]

This is why West Ham kids should have been given minutes in the last two seasons. We would now have two or three players that have claret and blue blood playing in the first team. Moyes only played them once his time was up . What more do we have to put up with when we have some fantastic kids and they never get a chance.

[@FlowDeFlowDrainage]

Not True. Rice, Diangana and Johnson have left the club. Ngakia was given games but chose to move to oblivion. The same for Ashby, and Perkins. Muabama has also chosen to move on. That is six players right there. Other players are not ready, but are out on loan proving themselves, so that is something to look forward to.

[@Techrobo101]

Quite honestly I think sending Ward-Prowse on loan was a mistake.

[@ogyamatta6903]

George Earthy shouldnt have been sent to loan and Flynne Down as well

[@FlowDeFlowDrainage]

All this start to the season really says is it will be hard (though not impossible) to get into Europe. I fully expect wind over the weaker teams and a lowest position of 14th.-15th. Getting the right players at the right time is always key. A year ago We tried to buy McTominay and Maguire. Many people were sceptical fast forward to the second half of the season and the collapse of form (and knees) of Zouma and injuries and form loss in other CB lead to a defensive collapse. And a failed trial with Kalvin Phillips. A year on we had a chance to buy an exciting striker from villa but didn't get the deal done. Now we are short up front while the striker in question is banging in goals (including against us). By the end of the season I suspect lack of goals will be the main limiting factor in what we achieve.

[@fingilmour1967]

It’s silly to assume that it was Moyes or Lopetegui (or someone similar) at a good club. But given we are horrendously run and have been for years, it was always Moyes or a Sullivan pick. And given Sullivan has never purposely appointed a successful manager other than big Sam for us, that was always a problem

[@sirbob7192]

It's very concerning that we still don't look like keeping a clean sheet, think midfield is the issue as we are consistently losing that area of the pitch, think I'd rather see Irving given a run out at this stage as he can't be any worse.

[@garygold6894]

How do we know Fullkrug is not a good striker ? He has hardly played

[@ogyamatta6903]

Ask them again? Just into unnecesary conclusions. Füllkrug is a proven striker. The midfield players at West Ham cant even pass the ball properly . So how do u expect the striker to score goals

[@Chelmsford0909]

I think Brentford will give us a hiding

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

I think any team will kick our arse right now. 3 shots on target. Our attack is pitiful.

[@mercedessl8718]

Geo I saw passages of improvement last night but it seems to me jlo inherited players that were slow. Yes there maybe good players there but we haven’t bought pace, apart from jimmy. All I know is it would be worse under moyes

[@robertbryant1735]

Give it a rest we have a new team and played City, Villa, Chelsea, Liverpool all these teams will be in the top 6 and got results against Palace and Fulham. Putting pressure on the team and manager after a few games doesn’t make any sense. Give them half a season and review at that time.

[@512Squared]

Exactly right. New philosophy, new team, new coach. It absolutely will take time. Brighton went down this route in 2019, and it takes a few seasons to really see the benefits. Although we've had Steidten a couple of years now, it's only really this season that we are fully committed to this new structure. It will take time. It's a long-term approach, and that requires patience and perspective.

[@ghostdriver7558]

Trouble is fans have no patience, it wears thin after a couple of poor performances regardless of who the opposition was.

[@512Squared]

@@ghostdriver7558 Yep, and I guess trying to find 'the reason' is just human nature, even when the reason is obvious. Fans think a bad result is the result of 'something bad', rather than something just not working, not working yet. It's just silly think it has to be a 'bad' manager, or a 'bad' owner. Especially when there is plenty of evidence to contradict that - Sully has got the club onto an excellent financial footing and laid the foundation for a spell that was definitely 'mixed', but the best of that mix was pretty fantastic, let's face it. Moyes can have his faults and still be a good manager. Fans can want more attractive football without having to create lies or a false view of the club or the football to support that. It's the bitterness and hatred that comes with it, or the silly being hugely judgmental, black and white thinking that spoils the point of view. Nothing wrong with wanting attractive football.

[@ghostdriver7558]

@@512Squared agreed, I am in the let’s give it time camp, but I think the next two games are really key for us, if there is no sign of what he thinks is the line up to carve out results week after week I do fear the worst, as the media and social media tends to almost dictate and influence a managers future these days just to add another pressure into the mix.

[@512Squared]

@@ghostdriver7558Yeah, I really hope we get some decent results. It could all we need now for things to start to click. We're definitely seeing more of the ball... just need some joined up middle-of-the-park play. Also, again in fairness to Sully (big ego for a little man, and all that...), he doesn't usually give in to fan pressure when there is a poor run. Some would cynically say it's because he doesn't want to dip into his pocket, but in the big scheme of things, getting a new manager isn't that much of an investment... more like replacing an injured player in the January window kind of money. Slag him off, as some fans do, for that... but it does help create a bit of stability, which other teams haven't had, and they've been worse off for it. Let's hope we have a result against Brentford! COYI!

[@MrBngwatson]

It's sullivans fault for everything

[@clayton8944]

Before we get onto the game last night , I just want to say that I think our transfer window is one of the reasons we look so poor , really do not think its as good as many think it is . Really do not understand the thinking behind the selection last night , especially as we only have the league to compete in this season . The starting 11 have looked disjointed from day one , surely to become familar with each other and the tactics they need to be playing together as often as possible . Don't think changing the position of certain players from one match to the next helps either , or having players in unfamilar positions .

[@glennvage]

no one will walk twice from succesive clubs,carreer suicide...

[@DjDave-qz4nt]

Our season starts on Saturday keep the faith coyfi

[@veryrancid3128]

I believe ha watched us and saw what he thought was missing and thought he could fix it.. we shall see. We were pretty ok till 2-1..it is weird that ge decided to rotate🤔

[@audialiastt2601]

George, LIVERPOOL Started weaker too.

[@Kris-the-Hobbit]

The 3 game thing is already out

[@HammersChat]

Is it! Where?

[@Kris-the-Hobbit]

@@HammersChat I will find it and send it in whattap group

[@nowayjose9786]

IF he went… what about Terzić?

[@HammersChat]

Depends what you want from a manager I think, I wouldn’t be THAT keen on him myself. On paper he did alright at Dortmund with the Pokal, title race and CL final but his tactics were not great, didn’t really develop the younger players and manager to fall out with a couple of the senior ones over style of play

[@MyShowbizName]

I'm not sure the fella is being unfair suggesting it was either Moyes or Lopetegui because Sullivan is so unambitious that it probably was that 50/50 choice and Steidten probably supported it because he wanted more control of transfers and Moyes wasn't having it. Lets be honest, there is no going back to Moyes given how it ended, too many anti Moyes supporters and Moyes would know that. Lopetegui needs a fair crack although the guy who suggested Potter might be on to something. He took over a very anti football side in Brighton and did a good job of turning them in to a good footballing side in a couple of seasons, the question mark is whether he could replicate it under Sullivan. Brighton is such a utopia, it almost seems that any manager can succeed.

[@512Squared]

Brighton have been using the Director of Football model for nearly five years how and have been seeing the benefits in recent seasons. It takes time for the whole club to align to that structure and for the benefits to be seen. A couple of years at least, I would say, since the playing philosophy that runs all through the club at all ages means youth players know the style and system they are expected to play at senior level. It's really early days for us in that respect. Ironic that the Director of Football is a more long-term structure, and it needs a long term commitment to really see the benefits. The Head Coach in that system is responsible for translating that onto the pitch, short-term, game by game, but that takes time too. If we are going to have that kind of structure, then the fans need to buy into maintaining that long-term perspective too, and see that decisions are all moving us in that direction where the benefits will come, even when they are not immediately visible. Patience is a real thing.

[@lewis4929]

Why would we even consider going to Moyes, we were regularly losing by 5 goals last season.

[@512Squared]

@@lewis4929 if you call three times out of 53 games 'regularly', then yes 🤷

[@HammersChat]

A good comment, found myself agreeing with it all too. Maybe it was Moyes or Lopetegui for Sullivan but it doesn’t mean it was for fans. The suggestions by some which is ‘this is what you wanted’ just isn’t true for a lot of fans. I am not even sure it’s what Sullivan wanted as imagine his first priority would have been to retain Moyes for most of the season

[@512Squared]

@@lewis4929 btw, if we adjust for those three worst results, our goals against would have been 58, on a par with Crystal Palace (58) and Brighton (62), both teams that had very good seasons. Those three awful results heavily skewed our defensive record for the whole season. It wasn't a great record, but it also wasn't that terrible either. An example of fans misusing or misunderstanding statistics. I'll go with the former, since it's so obviously a case of cherry picking.

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

We need a win against Brentford or 3 game warning

[@PsychologyAcademia]

We lose. The West Ham way is back!!

[@alexsandom5616]

I went up there last night and it wasn’t a 5-1 game in terms of the performance. I was more dejected against Chelsea at the weekend and more hopeful after last night, contrary to the actual results. last night was night and day in terms of performance compared to our cup game against them last season, some terrible decisions and falling asleep in certain moments brutally punished us, but cup game or no we can’t be rolling over in the last 10 mins to flatter them like that.

[@paulinebarbara5665]

Flatter? Oh dear deluded much, let's start by mentioning for most of the game Liverpool had 7 players with little or no game time, Liverpool were the better team throughout that game, Liverpool playing well and taking their chances is why they scored 5, West Ham had some good moments but Kelleher made maybe 3 decent saves and no not 1 of your penalty claims was a penalty

[@alexsandom5616]

@@paulinebarbara5665 deluded 🤣 might just have a different opinion to you maybe? Hard to believe I know!

[@rayburke-xg8yr]

Pep -2.0 😂

[@rayburke-xg8yr]

That's a minus, by the way.😅

[@charliebaker799]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but fans calling for or predicting a sacking are likely the same ones that will be singing his name when we have won 3 in a row. A bit or perspective here, before you give west ham fans a bad name folks. Both a mid table finish and a good cup run are still entirely probable. Sack talk is far too premature. Good performances come before results. And we just saw one for 70 minutes.

[@HammersChat]

Don’t think we will get the cup run part of it but agree we will likely get mid table.

[@scottwaine6689]

I just don't think kudas offers enough defensively. Kudas frustrates me on his best day too selfish/direct, maybe try him upfront? Potter would only offer more of the same, amourin was the one for me.

[@melissayeboah1210]

Why don't you put him on the bench or sell him then?🙄. Do you know the number of times your Bowen has also been selfish?. How about you people leave him alone and put him on the bench if he frustrates you that much😏.

[@stuartmcdonnell1406]

We need to get the balance between low block and high line as we are shite in the press and being undone every week on the break, Brentford will destroy us if we continue with high line as they score most of their goals on the counter.

[@512Squared]

Ironic, given how we were the best counter-attacking team for several seasons. I wonder if Brentford fans would be disappointed if we had 70% possession and they beat us anyway? :)

[@montanaprime]

5? That was just horrendous

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

Could have been 7 or 8 if not for Fabiansky

[@PaulAckerman-c2h]

Players are going to leave if it’s not sorted out ⚒️

[@ghostdriver7558]

Not sure players can just up and leave if under contract, manager may though ?

[@MrBngwatson]

Did loppy want Duran?

[@paulsage6851]

What I don’t get is we went this director of football route but we still employing managers and not couches

[@TheIronRobin]

I know it’s a typo but a couch would probably be more effective than Lopetegui at this point.

[@512Squared]

It's not a black and white setup. Never was. Coach and director are supposed to discuss what players might fit to the footballing philosophy that has been adopted. Once you have identified players you think will fit, and there has been agreement, then it's the Director's job to get the players, and the manager's job to mould them to that footballing philosophy. There is nothing here that I can see to suggest that Lopetegui is trying to work as a manager. What makes you think that?

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

We may have a decent sqaud but 15 of them not premier league quality

[@punkrockherb]

Wolves, Everton, Brentford are all better than us

[@HammersChat]

I disagree about wolves and everton at the moment but could be persuaded about Brentford.

[@akwamarsunzal]

🤣🤣🤣

[@melissayeboah1210]

Cap😏

[@ShamrockDan]

Yeah they're better at losing

[@derekporter1634]

Official's were terrible

[@modernista6056]

They were terrible for both teams. Stop looking for excuses or conspiracy . Fkn bored with these conspiracies. What's your point? Referee's are shit every game, what difference did it make? Don't get your point 🤷 you think it's a fix? What? West ham were soundly, fairly thrashed, had fukk all to do with poor officials.

[@512Squared]

Happens away from home. Their first goal was so clearly offside. That's not to say they wouldn't have scored eventually, but the longer we would have held that lead, the more confidence our players would have got from it.

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

So were we

[@fredtraylen4311]

Always same at big six so blatant

[@stephenplaistowe8657]

It's the way Alverez is. He does not think and lunges into tackles uneccary

[@ChubbyChaser331]

Talking about relegation after 5 Prem games come on Geo that is a bit ridiculous. We won't be anywhere near there. Things can change quickly in football and I am sure they will. As soon as the players start getting a bit more comfortable with what is asked of them we will be climbing the league no problem.

[@HammersChat]

Pardon? I haven’t said anything of the sort 😂😂 I think the most ridiculous thing is making stuff up

[@ChubbyChaser331]

@@HammersChat "I still don't think we are going to get relegated, maybe I am being a bit naïve" come on now. It is ridiculous it even being talked about.

[@HammersChat]

@@ChubbyChaser331 this show is where subscribers comment in the live chat and that forms the show, people are discussing it in the live chat.

[@GaryWellington-kl4hz]

I didn't like the signing of lopategue as manager he seemed lost like he doesn't know how to cope with the situation he needs to sort it quickly

[@connorjn8879]

I think any manager would struggle with the team that J Lo inherited. I also think that any manager would struggle given that we’ve played Man City, Aston Villa, Liverpool & Chelsea in our first 7 games. The teams that we won and drew are either on our level or below. I don’t think it has been as bad as what everyone else seems to think. I feel once we’re halfway through the season we will get better. Yes I agree it hasn’t been a great start and it should be better but I just think it’s still very early, and he isn’t a bad manager. He stopped Wolves from relegation & won the Europa League. We will come good, and I think in his first season, he deserves time. Unless we’re in the bottom 5 or 6 by Christmas, I don’t see any real reason to panic.

[@RaymondCalmus]

I think we ll beat the bees on sat.come on all u negarive hammers .if we lose to the bees on sat then yes alarm bells but i think we ll turn up sat even without wallley alvarez.if emerson or wanbassakss got inj last night u guys would ve been moaning why not save for sats game

[@512Squared]

I don't think it is trolling to be pointing out that the Moyes was a decent manager and the 'careful what you wish for' actually had a ring of truth to it. Of course, we could have replaced Moyes with any number of managers, and we went for Lopetegui. Some fans were instantly sharpening their knives when they heard the appointment, so the MoyesOut simply switched to preparing their LoppyOut badges. The sensible non-trolling opinion is probably that it's still too early to judge Lopetegui. But the way that people are going after him, the tactics, the selections etc, it really does feel like they don't really care for common sense and just want to be Brighton. To those I say, why don't you move south and hook up with your secret lover? Okay, that was trolling :D Final point, it isn't trolling because us Moyes In crowd had to listen to a constant diatribe about how terrible everything was (even when it wasn't) for two years, so yeah, I understand if some folks feel like reminding those folks of the old 'careful what you wish for...'. The depressive mood from all that whinging is still in the air.

[@edelgyn2699]

Yeah, well that's what you think -other people have different opinions. Moyes was shite and JLO may be shite - I'll give him more games before I start criticising his efforts. there are better managers out there and maybe the board should have engaged a better quality manager, I suspect JLO is doing his best as was Moyes.

[@512Squared]

@@edelgyn2699 Moyes gave us three season in Europe and a European cup. Call him defence first, but calling him shite makes it look like you don't know the sport you are a fan of.

[@kevinhorgan2770]

Its starting to look like moyes is on the way back.

[@KenDodd1317]

Unfortunately Moyes wouldn’t come back to all the moaning Minnie’s that undermined him for years. He won a European Cup and they still called for him to go. I can’t see us playing in Europe any time soon. Championship more like.

[@edelgyn2699]

Don't talk shite, Moyes is coining a living from waffling with his media pals.

[@edelgyn2699]

@@KenDodd1317 The players won a cup that they were expected to win. Moyes' managerial skills were severely limited.

[@KenDodd1317]

@@edelgyn2699 lol!!! You sound like someone who knows a whole lot about Jack shit!!! Moyes saved us twice, turned us into a team that competed well in Europe at the same time dealing with negativity. I won’t forget that. I also hope this guy can get his act together and get us playing a style of football that will make us hard to beat and good to watch. It probably won’t happen overnight so the “ Moyes out“ brigade who are already calling for Loppys head are festering again. I’ve a feeling this outfit will click and surprise a whole lot. COYI