Lord of the Rings: Dagor Dagorath (End of the World)

A brief history of Melkor's Rebellion and the Final Battle at the End of the World. Based on the "Lord of the Ring" Series as well as the expanded Universe Writings by J. R. R. Tolkien.
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[@taelaburbank2185]

Jmmmmmmmmmnommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 0 ⁵54

[@someoneirrelevant6815]

If all the dead will rise, I’d like to think that Sauron and Aragorn will have a final confrontation. Seeing them actually duel would be awesome. Sauron dueling Gandalf would also be pretty cool.

[@talesoftheeldar8688]

Sauron vs Gandalf,Gil galad,Finrod,Elendil

[@BRG1807]

Just imagine morgoth gothmog sauron and the nazgul and the mouth of sauron vs the fellowship tulkas eonwe and turin

[@talesoftheeldar8688]

@@BRG1807 Don't forget the houses of Finarfin, Fingolfin and Fëanor.

[@concept5631]

The idea of Aragorn absolutely bodying Sauron in the incomprehensible carnage of Dagor Dagorath pleases me.

[@CivilizationEx]

A brief note about Dagor Dagorath: As some of you may know, there is great debate about whether Dagor Dagorath is canon to the LOTR universe. I will clarify my position here: 1. Dagor Dagorath as a concept, meaning a final battle at the end of the world, is canon. This is not debated. 2. The specific details listed in The Second Prophecy of Mandos, are technically NOT canon, because Christopher Tolkien, son of JRR, chose to remove the prophecy from the final version of the Silmarillion, believing his father would have wanted it removed. 3. Many people, including myself, do not agree with this decision, and believe the Second Prophecy of Mandos should be canon. 4. Although I have nothing but respect for Christopher Tolkien (RIP), as far as this channel is concerned, the Second Prophecy is canon to this universe.

[@shockwavesteve]

Side note your voice is perfect for these commentaries.

[@concept5631]

@@shockwavesteve Agree with the second comment.

[@verylostdoommarauder]

I like the fact that this battle is basically "Literally everyone returns to have one big final battle". And I think Tolkien not writing a full story about it is good because then fans can make up what happens in their heads.

[@plamen2530]

Loved the original! Great to see a new version thank you!

[@finnleycw1395]

I really believe that this concept in the Lotr universe should have been explored more by Tolkien as it’s such and interesting concept of a battle to end all battles. I can imagine such splendour and vivid images of the last battle and the effects it would have and how Erus plan for the new world will come to fruition

[@arkcliref]

It leads to some very cool speculation imo. What if Ar Pharazon's army was revived, what side will they choose, also literally everyone we know like Beren, Boromir, Aragorn, and others are back at this confrontation

[@redstein6175]

I really like how you added mote details (including events that happened prior) in this revamped version, presenting Dagor Dagorath in an interesting way. Definitely a great video!

[@fahrettinaydn8384]

Original one was what got me into your channel so good to see the new version

[@loenigma69]

Thank you for putting this together!

[@hughgedney3393]

A very extremely great video as always CivilizationEx.

[@htl_gaming]

As always great video my friend, i appriciate your Hard work and your knowledge of tolkien, i hope you can do a livestream about tolkien, his life, works, beliefs etc. Keep it up!

[@GRasputin91]

The movie is called Turin: Dagor Dagorath and features slapstick comedy and heavy metal music.

[@e.m.p.3394]

Oh wow! Huh. A good recap of the ancient years and more?!

[@cmdrshprd4219]

More civ ex is always a win

[@jacked4121]

I have been looking for more lore on this for a long time

[@knessing7681]

Why did Melkor thought/believed the Flame Imperishable would be located somewhere in the Timeless Void ?

[@CivilizationEx]

At first he thought it was a physical thing, and he didn't see it in the Timeless halls which meant it must be in the void. It was only after searching for it that he realized it was not a physical thing and only Eru had it.

[@zixuanzhao6043]

@@CivilizationEx Did Aule use it to create dwarves and why he had it?

[@CivilizationEx]

@@zixuanzhao6043 Aule didn't have it and so couldn't use it, and because of that the Dwarves were originally thoughtless and only puppets of his will. It was only when Eru accepted them that they were given the Flame Imperishable, and gained independent thought.

[@someoneirrelevant6815]

This would make an actual great fan fiction

[@paulbasaur]

awesome, thanks

[@max__pain]

Tolkien's version of Ragnarok?

[@talesoftheeldar8688]

Tolkien's version of Endgame.

[@ibrahimsabe991]

Thanks for the amazing video. Would you just make one about the door of night & gates of morning? like who created them and what is their purpose

[@CivilizationEx]

That's a good idea, thanks for the suggestion :)

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

I may be wrong, but the gates of morning look like where the souls of men go after death.

[@guilherme5094]

This is great!

[@someoneirrelevant6815]

So basically it’s just gonna be the lord of the rings+. All of the heroes being resurrected to fight one last battle.

[@cr90captain89]

if this was dark souls, this would be new game+ 10. everybody's gonna have massive hp bars and attack power.

[@arkcliref]

and their interactions, unless they will be written by a halfwit, will be cool to see.

[@Numba003]

What a mind Tolkien had! Creating a mythos is something extraordinary when you think about it. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊

[@Numba003]

@Chuck Spadina How do you mean?

[@Numba003]

@Chuck Spadina Well, he certainly writes in an old fashioned way that can be occasionally dense, but I don’t think that makes him a bad writer. I’ve read parts of the Silmarillion, yes, but not the entire thing. Tolkien can write some very beautiful, almost poetic, prose on occasion though too. The Tom Bombadil chapters toward the beginning of Fellowship come to mind. Have you ever read Phantastes by George MacDonald?

[@michaelkarimian7538]

Does anybody know what the background music is? It leaves me spellbound!

[@Matthew_080]

Very interesting vision

[@shinsenshogun900]

Great update for the canon of Arda, CivEx! It's nice.

[@nicbahtin4774]

The vergin Melkor vs the Chad Tolkas

[@concept5631]

Tulkas built diff

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

That "virgin" was the most powerful Valar,Tulkas was the Valar of physical strength. And Chad sounds cringe. It doesn't even sound masculine. Incel slang

[@jmiester25]

Is it fair to say that Melkor always had a desire to create discord, or was he curious and THEN wanted to create discord because he was impatient? A lot of people have compared Melkor to Lucifer, but in my opinion (and I could be wrong), Melkor never experienced a state of grace in which to fall from. He was always evil. Someone please clue me in on this.

[@CivilizationEx]

In the very beginning he wasn't evil, he was just curious and ambitious. He wanted to be the best at everything and do things no one else had done. This led him to search the void, which led to prolonged solitude. Here was where he changed for the worse. Spending so much time alone he became selfish and resentful of his limitations. Then when he returned he took part in the song and started his rebellion. He still wasn't pure evil at this point, just very selfish. After the song, when he was scolded, that's when he first experienced real anger and started to become evil.

[@rogueascendant6611]

@@CivilizationEx All of this could be avoided if Eru Illuvatar have given his time to Melkor like a Father-Son moments. But all he did was snuffed him away instead reconciling and talk each face to face. Even gods with all their power and wisdom couldn't achieve a proper relationship.

[@jmiester25]

@@CivilizationEx Okay got it. Thanks mate

[@hughgedney3393]

@@CivilizationEx I agree with you on that.

[@lt3746]

@@rogueascendant6611 Melkor took his tantrum a bit too far though.

[@foulplayer7812]

Hey Civ, would you consider creating videos about the Vertigo series Fables by Bill Willingham? I think it'd be an excellent addition to your channel.

[@CivilizationEx]

Unfortunately I am not familiar with those stories.

[@SHARKVADERS]

CivEx!!!

[@Fioriel]

Where is the old version of this video? I miss that...

[@CivilizationEx]

If you go to the Playlists section of my channel, look for the one called "Unlisted", there I have all of my old videos just in case someone wants to see them. :)

[@concept5631]

@@CivilizationEx Alright

[@shannonlam913]

Eru Iluvatar.....what a name

[@ryankwon8785]

I think Ar-Pharazon joined Melkor as he was manipulated into believing in the first dark lord by Sauron. I think Ar-Pharazon is more inclined to join the first dark lord as he was a believer of Morgoth and Eru Illuvatar was the one who destroyed Numenor.

[@concept5631]

I feel he'd be more inclined to side against Sauron since a man as prideful as him would not take being manipulated to lead himself and his people to ruin very well.

[@twich155]

You gotta do elder scrolls!

[@bobbob-yr4bh]

Feanor did nothing wrong

[@mitchellwright5478]

It’s fun to see how Tolkien knew of Ragnarok

[@shreyaschauhan5501]

Wait so did everyone die in the war?!? Like all the elves , dwarves, etc.

[@Aurelus_Silverius]

The concept of Dagor Dagorath is similar to Armageddon and after that Judgement Day

[@XaikuTMH]

A feud between one Maiar and Morgoth alone causing the most damage? Maybe, but at the same time we can’t forget all of the weapons humans created in just the Seventh Age alone. I mean we’re talking fighter jets, missiles, grenades, predator drones, computers, computer systems, computer viruses for that matter… Oh! And atom bombs too. We can’t forget about those.

[@XaikuTMH]

On top of all of that, we also have more down-to-earth war machines such as tanks, turret vehicles, and aircraft carriers. We’ve also made extremely efficient handheld projectile weapons. The more, the merrier, right? Yeah, I don’t want to think about it.

[@XaikuTMH]

Now that I AM thinking about it anyway, Melkor/Morgoth has some serious firepower himself, if we were to stretch our head canon to its absolute limits and make him full-on Lucifer. Along with everything else the legends say he’ll come with, he also has these fine folks (taken from just the Ars Goetia and Dictionnaire Infernal alone); Abbadon Abraxas Adramelech Agares Aim Alastor Alloces Amdusias Amon Amy Andras Andrealphus Andromalius Asmodeus Astaroth Azazel Baalberith Bael Balam Barbatos Bathin Behemoth Beleth Belial Belphegor Beelzebub (Of course) Berith Bifrons Botis Buer Buné Caacrinolas Cain (Yes, the one who killed Abel) Cerberus (the guardian of Hades) Cimeies Crocell Dantalion Decarabia Deimos (who’s listed here, strangely) Eligos Eurynome Flagas Flavros Focalor Foras Forneus Furcas Furfur Gäap Ganga Glasya-Labolas Garuda Gremory Gusion Häagenti Halphas Ipos Lamia Lechies Leonard Leraje Malphas Mammon Marax Marbas Marchosias Melchom Moloch (those who’ve played certain Mortal Kombat games may recognize this name) Murmur Naberius Nickar Nybbas Orias Orobas Osé Paimon Picollus Pruflas Phenex Purson Rahovart Räum Ribesal Ronové Sabnock Sallos Samigina Scox Seere Shax Sitri Stolas Tap Torngarsuk Ukobach Valac Valefor Vapula Vassago Vepar Viné Vual Xaphan Yan-gant-y-tan Zagan Zepar Just look at them, and those are just the names! Imagine what the demons themselves are capable of. Of course, I did omit two of the names from the Dictionnaire Infernal out respect for the people of Hindu faith, but still; look at how many that leaves as a possibility. Wow.

[@XaikuTMH]

Oh, one name that isn’t listed, but is actually rather infamous if I remember correctly (please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong), is Baphomet. He’s the one striking that infamous pose with his hands, if that helps.

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

A emp strike will render all technology useless. We still will have firearms.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Melkor did nothing wrong. Same about Túrin and Feanor.

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

Melkor was misunderstood, Fëanor just wanted his property,Túrin was a victim of a curse.

[@shreyaschauhan5501]

Did sauron play a special role in the fight

[@CivilizationEx]

I would imagine he did, but he is not mentioned specifically.

[@e.m.p.3394]

I really liked this video. I'm seeing a game or even film or cartoon made from this. Maybe it would be a better idea to animate middle earth instead.

[@waseemchoudhry4465]

No offense dude, but I prefer your voice during your earl videos. It sounds more natural and has wisdom in it. Her it sounds scratchy

[@grootlebrax5841]

Hello there

[@Teag_Brohman15]

I like to think this happened at the end of the Fourth Age

[@user-ix1rp9ff3p]

nope, Tolkien's letters said the "current world" (1958) is already at either the 6th or 7th Age

[@concept5631]

@@user-ix1rp9ff3p Correct

[@timoteoseagedetoffol8795]

I have a theory: Tolkien explained in a letter in 1960, we are in Seventh Age of Arda. If Dagor Dagorath actually realised, then the reshape of world lead to the creation of Earth, the home of Humans. Then, when time passed, Humans prosper with population and technology until today. If we colonise Eä, we could actualy making our way in Valinor in a distant future by using space ships.

[@concept5631]

Wonder how that factors into Eru's plan.

[@michealdargue2985]

So have the dead rise back. It would be like avengers endgame. Have like 70 thousand good guys vs like 80 thousand or so enemies like dude even more then that lol. All out war to end all wars basically.

[@haberak3310]

It's basically Ragnarok

[@dragonrykr]

Dec 31 2020 - Dagor Dagorath ensues

[@user-ix1rp9ff3p]

March 29, 2022

[@blackflagsnroses6013]

Yeah in their world it’s as real as Armageddon and the Apocalypse will be to Christians. As real as Ragnarök was to Nordic people. Every myth has a creation story, and a prophetic end

[@diegoolivaresgonzalez42]

But none of them has an end, just a new begining... Only now with the Termic Death of the universe we can consider a real ending.