Beginner's Guide to Guard Points with Charge Blade | Monster Hunter Wilds

[@LordViettner]

Important Edit: it seems as though perfect guarding will be far more important than guard pointing in MH Wilds, However, there are times were you can guard point to continue a combo and still block a hit, where a perfect guard would stop the combo early, so it's still a very useful skill to have in your CB arsenal! How are y'all enjoying the Open Beta so far??? Also, if you want, try slowing down the video speed, and watching the combos in the top right, that way you can see exactly what I'm doing at any point in the video! I tried to explain as much as I could, but I know that seeing the combos is super helpful! Editor's note: it looks like the AED's may only do 2 phial hits, still only at the cost of 1 phial!

[@nizzbizz3087]

You can also hold *circle* while charging to directly deposit your phials into your shield. Or after a shield punch, if you hold R2 + Triangle + Circle, you can also use it. It also has a GP, so you can use that. Also, if you hold your attack button (Triangle or Circle) while attacking in axe mode (with power axe), you'll get buzzsaw DMG ticks. It can also be used for AED and AED follow-up.

[@LordViettner]

yeah just discovered that move has a guard point tonight, it's very generous

[@TodaysRemedy]

This is insanely fun, I will try to main Charge Blade in Wilds, thank you for the guide.

[@LordViettner]

wilds CB is amazing, I'm in love all over again xD

[@viporiox555]

what’s your second weapon gonna be

[@berkan3209]

what makes guard points so good is that if you know which moves are generating guard points you don't need to dodge or guard in combo animation since you know that guard point gonna protect you and you can turn it into an even stronger combo if the guard point is successful. It makes the charge blade a much more fluid weapon.

[@IsaDonavan]

Oh thank god someone is doing this

[@DuelMp5]

even god cant help you now while you're learning CB

[@Nubcakelmfao]

Petition to add a guard point to the end of AED follow up

[@LordViettner]

I could live with that

[@Nubcakelmfao]

@LordViettner It ends with the axe head in front of you. I'm not sure why it isn't 🤷‍♂️

[@hunterstarmech]

Anybody else notice that you can SAED after just a normal block? I heard block for 4 seconds before I got hit and it still let me SAED

[@MajeedBelle]

HH mains we eating good in February.

[@ΒασίληςΤσώνης-υ9φ]

So can you not go into savage axe from guard pointing, only though perfect guarding? Cb vet here, played a couple of hunts and finding it difficult not to guard point everything xD

[@LordViettner]

you can technically use a guard point to do a power clash, which you can follow up with the savage axe, but that's gonna be rarer. As far as I know you can't savage axe directly out of a guard point, but it's usually not an issue because CB does a good job of wounding, and the focus strike is easy to connect. Even on my first hunt when I was getting used to it I had like 75%+ savage axe uptime!

[@Ambyli]

@@LordViettner Kind of a weird design choice honestly. Guess we just have to get used to doing perfects or guard points.

[@LordViettner]

@@Ambyli yeah gonna be a mix of the two for sure

[@josh___something]

Better to perfect guard if you want to activate Power axe. Guard points seem less important now, since the only benefit is the shield discharge damage, and (presumably) increased block power. Perfect block, though, seems to do most of what GPs do, without the discharge damage, but with the power axe follow up

[@dovakin3759]

The best thing in wild is that i can have 2 weapons in a mission and my main 2 weapon in world was CB and 2 blades what an awesome improvement and it will be fun

[@Facelauss]

Still a little sad the unga bunga explosion playstyle was kinda nerfed

[@LordViettner]

yeah that's always been my fav, but tbh Wilds CB feels amazing

[@Facelauss]

@ thats great you and everyone seems to be enjoying it. I will probably switch to greatsword

[@T4STER]

Try R2+triangle+circle after shield thrust. It's a new, faster way to charge shield

[@LordViettner]

true, I should've mentioned that, thanks!

[@ravennamedrook]

You can also hold O after charging flasks with R2 + O. It's even faster and counts as a new guard point.

[@wyrdplae8586]

I played CB in wilds because it was one of the few weapons that didn't have some stupid thing about it that I had to switch my mind off for. I'm not thrilled to see that the Perfect Guard Vs. Guard Point is something I will have to overlook in Wilds. Just seems dumb that the higher skill option gives worse follow ups. Would be so nice if GPs were used for the offensive stuff: Savage Axe mode and SAED. And then the PG was used for the more defensive options: Power Clash and reduced chip damage perhaps. It would allow both to have valid uses and the higher skill option gates the more powerful follow ups. Hate that currently there isn't much reason to GP instead of PG.

[@ElusiveEliizer]

I'm wondering what the different use cases are between perfect guard(pg) and guardpoint(gp). Having two enhanced guard techniques would seem redundant unless there are clear reasons to use one over the other in specific situations Based on your video it just seems like pg if you need to get savage up then after its up use gp for the phial proc. Are there any other differences between the two? Maybe a stronger guard on one? How quickly you can cancel into them mid combo?

[@viniciusduarte3420]

The two probably have the same guard multipliers, but guard points can be done in the middle of a combo if you're not going to recover fast enough for a PG.

[@LordViettner]

that's a good point, from what I've tested and heard, guarding (and perfect guarding) can cancel out of some attack animations, whereas the guard point attacks have to be done during a combo or from standstill, since they're weapon attacks that 'happen' to guard. also, perfect guarding has a lot of forgiveness, you can do it quite a bit earlier than a guard point and still get a perfect guard. So, where if you went too early with a guard point attack, you'd just swing your weapon and get hit, the perfect guard would still proc

[@ECI5858]

Asked this in canta's stream, he thinks perfect guard is better if you can use it but guard point still has its uses such as being a safer guard option mid combo. In short perfect guard will always be the better option if you can confidently trigger it.

[@beowulf5671]

@@LordViettnerDoes guard point procs power clash? Or just perfect guard?

[@CoffeeCaffeine-hn9vd]

@@beowulf5671 Both can. And normal block _probably_ can as well?

[@Ambyli]

Does the axe follow up slash have a guard point?

[@DarkBurster]

the CB feels so clunky right now I might need to play a lot more to feel it out I hate the focus mode attack, my guy misses the savage axe grind animation like half the time but the monster still gets stagger by the last combo even if it is hitting the air? looks janky af lol

[@LordViettner]

it's not janky, it's different. Once you're used to it you'll hardly believe you ever thought is was jank

[@DarkBurster]

yea i just figured out that it is essential to use focus mode, if you play a traditional style then it is superrrrr janky, it is essential to use focus mode for every aed and saed, hell even focus attacks since those will miss half the time too if you dont hold the focus button, the turn radius is significantly nerfed compared to older games so you will miss A LOT OF shots if you play traditional style. I dont really like the focus playstyle but it is super easy to aim aed and saed now that it feels like its cheating. I really hope they bring back the turn radius for non focus aed and saed but now that i am spamming focus mode, the game feels smoother and a lot easier lol It actually almost doesnt feel like monster hunter any more since you do not have to commit to an attack direction any more, it is essentially easy mode, you can switch attack direction during the animation. I guess it is made for a wider/newer audience.

[@Nubcakelmfao]

​​@@DarkBurster try changing your focus mode to toggle. Since it feels better to have focus mode enabled most of the time for CB, it alleviates the need to hold the button down all the time

[@GR0-n3r]

What if Chatacabra sticks different minerals with its saliva?

[@LordViettner]

as far as I know, it can do that, differing based on the terrain you fight it on, not 100% sure what each thing does differently, but it does exist in game!

[@Docris]

So first time playing monster hunter and I went straight for the charge blade cuz it looked bad ass and got bored of greatsword just two questions, is charging the sword worth it and do you save that move that uses all your vials for the end of savage axe mode

[@LordViettner]

1. charging the sword typically isn't worth it, as it doesn't impact axe mode that much, and axe mode is where the damage is at. 2. you can use the SAED (uses all phials) at any time, I wouldn't recommend using it at all if you have savage axe active, or only after a perfect guard or guard point I would recommend looping this combo during savage axe: Elemental Discharge 1 > Elemental Discharge 2 > Amped Element Discharge > Amped Element Discharge Follow Up and repeat. On PS that would be just repeating O > O > O > O or on Xbox it's B > B > B > B

[@Docris]

@ gotcha ok thank you for the help now I can be the hero of legend

[@sethrabanes3701]

so is this the only way to counter attacks with CB since there's no more Wirebugs?

[@LordViettner]

yeah, perfect guards or guard points are your counters in Wilds

[@theenvoy6601]

Is neutral Guard Hopping still a thing for positioning in this game or is it removed from the moveset? neutral guard hopping meaning pressing evade to execute a quick hop immediately from normal guarding in neutral position.

[@LordViettner]

I know for sure you can do it with lance and gun lance, I don't think you can with CB, just regular evade roll

[@theenvoy6601]

Wow then that’s a nerf for technique plays in hunts for cb ooof… it had its uses for better positioning as a setup tool for SAED placements that I used all the time in my hunts. Guess we can only cfm at game launch if it’s truly gone. I’ll definitely be checking the movesets for CB to explore the guard movement options

[@LordViettner]

@@theenvoy6601 you can still do the side hops after an attack, but idk if CB has ever had guard hopping like what lance and GL have. I think only in the MHW Iceborne Community Edition mod did CB guard backhopping exist, and maybe with a style in GU...

[@theenvoy6601]

You could guard hop since base game for world. Then again this is niche tech so not many would know abt it. Rainy used to do it in early days of speed running but u would only know abt this only if you really specialized in CB knowing the ins and outs of the weapon fully. I think another specialist shrimsy(can’t rmb his name) also covered this one move. That’s y I said it’s a nerf from a technique standpoint if it’s not in base Wilds specifically for cb

[@Nubcakelmfao]

So it's a bit different now. There is no longer a generic guard hop. BUT. Focus mode now allows you to sidehop WHENEVER YOU WANT. No prior action required.

[@jojoboynat]

Im not sure i undersrand the added benefit of guard point vs perfect guard. Anyone has insight into this ? Thanks

[@LordViettner]

perfect guard is better in Wilds, for sure, after more testing. but guard pointing allows you to do most of the same follow up actions, and can be done with certain weapon moves so it's a bit more fluid. all in all, it gives you more options for guarding mid combo where you can't always cancel into guarding

[@jojoboynat]

@LordViettner thank you for your detailled answer

[@ClerikBeast]

Can you instantly do the elemental discharge still or is that changed?

[@LordViettner]

you can't do an SAED directly from sword mode anymore (like with Triangle+Circle > Triangle+Circle > Triangle+Circle), only after a perfect guard or guard point, otherwise, the SAED has to be a follow up to an AED or part of an axe mode combo

[@ClerikBeast]

@LordViettner interesting, thank you very much for the info. I was trying so much last night and couldn't figure it out loll

[@Nubcakelmfao]

They're leaning much more into the savage axe playstyle this time around. Hopefully other weapon users learn to leave a wound or two unpopped if they have a charge blade user on their team 😅

[@schrodingerskatze6192]

I've heard that you can also transition into savage axe after a perfect guard, can you do the same after a guard point?

[@LordViettner]

no, perfect guard only

[@Ambyli]

Yeah just a perk for perfect guard.

[@LeoIsFine]

So what does overcharging your phials do?

[@LordViettner]

more phial damage as far as I know, still haven't had a chance to see if it extends the shield charge duration yet

[@GummiGudna]

⁠@@LordViettnerIt does extend the shield charge duration from 125s to 200s!

[@Yuri77711]

How do new phials work? I've noticed they can now be overcharged or whatever.

[@LordViettner]

overcharging I think just deals more damage. It doesn't seem worth it to ALWAYS overcharge, but, if you're unable to do an SAED, and end up getting another stack of red phials, then it's a nice resource to have so you're not wasting phials! The savage axe also makes it so you only use half a phial on any axe hit except SAEDs, which is dope

[@CoffeeCaffeine-hn9vd]

Overcharged Phials also give you longer shield charge duration if you load them into shield.

[@Cadmean_7]

Can you use savage axe after a guard point like you can do with a perfect guard ?

[@Roei18]

sadly no

[@LordViettner]

No, only after a perfect guard

[@Cadmean_7]

@@LordViettner aight then

[@Atreusz]

Thx for the video. But my question is, is the "normal" guard (just hold the shield up) more effective, better, uses less sharpenes and recoil compared to mhw now? Just holding up the shield was very crapy in mhw.

[@LordViettner]

no clue, I never use normal guard (just holding R2) bc it has always sucked on CB! xD perfect guard (pressing R2 right as you're about to get hit) is as good as guard points, and sometimes is a little better because if you perfect guard you can activate savage axe

[@Atreusz]

@LordViettner But that's what you said in the video? Now you can make a perfect block with a normal block and trigger this new animation. That didn't exist in mhw. So the normal block was pushed.

[@theunofficialfpsbalancetea5915]

I have to ask because frankly it’s frustrating me, I must be crazy because it seems like everyone else has so much more control over where their AEDs and SAEDs are landing during the actual attack animation, whereas I seem pretty locked into a specific direction. I’ve even looked through the options and nothing stood out. Am I missing something?

[@LordViettner]

hold L2 for focus mode, you can move your AED/SAED up to 180 degrees!

[@theunofficialfpsbalancetea5915]

@@LordViettner I appreciate that, thanks! I swear I tried this and it didn’t work lol 😅

[@phillipshaffer4513]

Hey man, question. Is it worth trying to charge my sword as well or is that just a waste of phials and time?

[@LordViettner]

it's good, but definitely not mandatory! it doesn't cost phials to charge your sword. if your shield is charged, you can charge your sword! charging the sword gives you phial damage on sword attacks, and makes it so your attacks won't bounce!

[@phillipshaffer4513]

@LordViettner good to know. This is the first time that I'm going to main CB! Got a lot to learn!

[@forlogic53]

Is it possible to perfect guard with a guard point?

[@LordViettner]

you can get a power clash with a guard point, but I don't think you can get a perfect guard, since perfect guards are performed only by guarding, and guard points are performed by timing attacks

[@forlogic53]

@LordViettner In your opinion, is it better to perfect guard instead of guard pointing then? As a CB main, I tend to use the initial morph guard point instead of a normal guard in older games but now with perfect guard, I dont know what would be better

[@pLoory]

Great guide, thank you so much! Can you or anyone tell my why or when a perfect guard would be to prefer vs a classy guard point? 🤔 I see those benefits still in GPs!

[@LordViettner]

perfect guards have a bit more forgiveness in the timing, also perfect guards are one of the ways to activate your savage axe, which is currently the best way to play CB

[@pLoory]

@LordViettner thank you for the reply. So you cannot transition into SAxe from a guided point with triangle / Y anymore? :o

[@LordViettner]

@@pLoory no

[@pLoory]

Ok wow.. Thanks for that hint. Would you rate SAxe over SAED in terms of damage at this point? ​@LordViettner

[@LordViettner]

@@pLoory yeah savage axe is the best for damage. SAED still has it's uses but you can basically infinitely repeat savage axe combos with minimal phial upkeep

[@mitchjmac]

I wonder if PG and GP affect sharpness the same. But why wouldn’t I just perfect guard in the vast majority of situations? Never gonna choose to GP from neutral… unless it’s faster? And PG can cancel some attack animations too? Why devalue one of the core aspects of CB with a lower risk, higher reward version? Feels like GP needs something other than phial dmg to differentiate it.

[@LordViettner]

PG also has phial damage....

[@mitchjmac]

@@LordViettner Lmao! Good to know. Well then GP def need something special going for it😭

[@Mr.Steak.]

Love you bro

[@GoPlayNTraffic]

You got to do more just to do damage. They made CB not fun it’s like they are forcing you to use savage axe and not SAED.

[@LordViettner]

yeah definitely seems to lean a lot in favor of Savage Axe, SAED is still usable tbf, but savage axe literally doesn't use up phials at all except on AED/SAEDs

[@hugo-pg5tv]

We don't even have the skills that support SAED yet why u complaining?

[@cameronsmith1229]

It seems like they took the approach of "expand the moveset of a specific playstyle for each weapon and remove the rest." It killed my enjoyment of IG, I'm okay with CB, but I'm still a but disappointed. I guess the 2 weapon system was supposed to be the solution to this, except weapons need different skills, so that gets awkward as skills hevome more important.

[@Roei18]

guard points are besically dead

[@LordViettner]

a sad day

[@Roei18]

@LordViettner they still have time to fix it. They just have to make every guard point trigger a perfect guard. We already know they can distinguish between normal guard and guard point because of the enchanted guarding abilities we got from guard points in world.

[@ryzkiguruh2942]

Honestly im disappointed in the CB changes. I mean world was wonderfull CB while need time to charge phial it gives you 2 playstyle SAED and Savage axe. Rise tone it down to one of the two with those scroll and in wilds you kinda force to either get perfect guard or damage wound via focus mode which personally kills the multi style CB gameplay. Also in multiplayer its kinda hard to get focus damage beacuse people also need those so savage axe kinda hard to trigger in multi. So yeah thats my rant CB kinda fell from world and rise