Tuvok wasn't listening during the briefing because he was thinking of ways to kill Neelix with the omega particle.
@kobayashibrynhild96226 жыл бұрын
Nooooo....not Mr. Vulcan.
@deranged_engineering18475 жыл бұрын
Lol I have just thought of all those murdeirest look he gives mr neelix
@ehrgeiz05 жыл бұрын
A lot of the action is theater for the benefit of the audience.
@walkerboh395 жыл бұрын
*laugh*
@mrbojangles81335 жыл бұрын
He wasn't listening as he often lets her prattle on for a bit saying things like yes Captain at suitable intervals
@UncleMikeDrop6 жыл бұрын
Since the prime directive was suspended in favor of the Omega directive it could be argued that they would have been justified in sharing Federation renewable energy and minor technology with this civilization. It could even be justified as a preventative measure against further experimentation with the omega molecule.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@lancep20026 жыл бұрын
Mike Vasquez that's exactly what I was thinking
@UncleMikeDrop6 жыл бұрын
Dangerous_stranger I think that would actually make a pretty cool Side Story.😎
@richardchantlerrico6 жыл бұрын
That's the first thing I thought too, not to mention the species is already a space faring if not warp capable. The main concern was not advancing a primitive species to the warp age too fast. Trade of technology with a space faring species is not necessarily disallowed as long as it could be justified which in this case they easily could do.
@jimschuler88306 жыл бұрын
And that right there is why Voyager was terrible. The writers never missed an opportunity to have a shooting war even when there were other options available.
@arklestudios6 жыл бұрын
This video ignores that episode's biggest problem. It's clearly a particle, not a molecule.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
My biggest fail to date
@urulai6 жыл бұрын
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh...
@RimaNari6 жыл бұрын
Is this serious, or just trolling? Because it has some merit... why should a regular molecule have so much energy? It would only make sense* if it where an unknown elementary particle. Then again, it could also be a molecule consisting of atoms of these particles. * sense... talk about sense... this whole idea is probably scientifically stupid in the first place
@arklestudios6 жыл бұрын
Serious, in that it is an issue with the episode. I was kidding about it being the biggest problem with it though.
@noxure6 жыл бұрын
Multiple omega particles chain together so they are a molecule in a way. The bigger the molecule the more absurd the power scale becomes. One particle can power a ship, a molecule that consists of a dozen particles is equal to the total energy output of an Starfleet level civilization and 200 million would be enough to recreate the Big Bang. It's Star Trek; most of the stuff doesn't make sense but it's cool.
@Predator42ID6 жыл бұрын
In short the Federation treats the Omega molecule the same way Stargate treats the Replicators, destruction at all costs regardless of who gets in the way.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@bavaro49095 жыл бұрын
Would the US not attempt ANYTHING to deflect a meteor hitting anywhere on the globe? Same reasoning. A large Omega release essentially ends any form of intersteller civilization. Closest star at impluse (less than .5 cee) is YEARS, never mind all the way over to Bajor or Risa... It's too big a risk to too many people to screw around. BTW, Lore, OUTSTANDING analysis of the Directive, for the most part. Well thought out, indeed. :::tips hat:::
@jeremypace2494 жыл бұрын
More like Starfleet treats the Omega molecule the way Stargate: Atlantis treated same-space ZPM Project Arcturus. Hard to justify the scientific research when you have the potential to blow up a star system when it goes wrong.
@kasper75743 жыл бұрын
And thats why i think THEY themselves deserve to be completely destroyed at all cost...
@Ritchian6 жыл бұрын
The Omega Directive is one of the better episodes Voyager produced. There are really stupid moments, like the omega alert shutting down the whole ship and that they don't calmly explain to the aliens, "You're about to destroy galactic civilization. Please stop." But overall, it's an effective story with actual stakes. Yes, yes. This is Voyager. Home of the reset button being slammed so hard and so frequently it got stuck eventually. But it's an enjoyable bit of TV. Even the Borg's almost religious reverence for omega doesn't bug me as much as it probably should. Voyager has done far worse to the concept of the Borg. The directive itself makes sense. Warp is the standardized travel of almost every stellar civilization ever encountered in the series. It would be like (in a really strained analogy) every fossil fuel on the planet vanishing all at once without warning. We'd recover and come up with new alternatives eventually, but in the mean time, our interconnected world would instantly break down and modern society would fall apart.
@HappyBeezerStudios6 жыл бұрын
It would be like living in the pacific and suddenly ships aren't possible anymoe and evryone had to swim on their own.
@countertony6 жыл бұрын
You might enjoy S M Stirling's "Emberverse" series, wherein all plausibly high-energy processes stop (explosives down to gunpowder, electricity, ability to generate high-pressure vapours/gases). Yes, this is contrived. Yes, it is perceived as being contrived in-universe. The first book is called "Dies the Fire". You might find it worth reading "Island in the Sea of Time" and its sequels (same author) first.
@countertony6 жыл бұрын
And yes, I know that many neurological processes are basically electrical. See 'contrived' above.
@ryanalving37856 жыл бұрын
countertony You might enjoy the show Revolution, where an experimental nanotechnology gets loose and prevents all electrical machines from functioning. It becomes interconnected and sentient across the entire globe
@GoatPopsicle5 жыл бұрын
It’s not just that, the Borg’s Transwarp systems might be less susceptible to the sub-space effects. Since it creates its own stable tube, instead of just a bubble around the ship. So an Omega particle explosion, might, give them an advantage over everyone else, and allow them easy pickings over an entire sector/galaxy.
@aqdrobert6 жыл бұрын
Crashium plus unobtanium, held in an Nth metal matrix, protected by a mithril shield, becomes Omega....
@thepoliticalstartrek6 жыл бұрын
There is a couple thing that people in general forget. If you travel thru a region of collapsed sub space. 1. Long-range communication is impossible. 2. Computers fall back to much much slower speeds. The computers use subspace to move data.faster than light.
@anlumo16 жыл бұрын
If they even have a fallback to other methods of communication.
@cbennetts27465 жыл бұрын
just watched the voyager episode and when they meet the particle the omega protocol doesn't lock the ship they drop out of warp because of the particle shock wave, then janeway tells tom to "shut down engines and hold position", just something i noticed
@maxrander01013 жыл бұрын
your part right the ship is hit by the shockwave but that causes the lockout and only after she unlocks the controls does she give those orders
@brianorca3 жыл бұрын
It could be an automatic safety measure, if they are in the area of effect of the explosion, then activating any of the normal subspace communication or warp drive actions might be disastrous. Since only the commanding officer was briefed, only they can unlock the ship and continue.
@timf74135 жыл бұрын
To me, it's highly believable Starfleet would adopt a "destroy at all costs" mentality with the Omega particle given that it's the Star Trek equivalent of a civilization ending weapon/catastrophe.
@Wimpoman6 жыл бұрын
It's a good job the ship wasn't in combat when the sensors picked up Omega. Or, say, the Captain was elsewhere in a shuttle expecting Voyager to come pick her up. I've always thought the fact that the Omega Directive practically shuts down the whole ship until the captain of the ship inputs some code into the computer. This doesn't account for anything that might prevent that or that the ship might be in a situation where shutting down is not the best idea.
@wizkidd69506 жыл бұрын
It is not remotely an issue. Let us assume, I programmed the coding, now I would say shut up it worked exactly as designed. I chose to initiate shut down because the detection was oblique to our trajectory and faint, along with blah blah blah blaaaaaaaa.... hope you get the point ... the argument is stupid
@piotrd.48506 жыл бұрын
Sensors have vastly longer range than shuttles or ones that combat takes place on ? ;)
@GoatPopsicle5 жыл бұрын
It’s actually a relatively cheap command. Let’s say the ship is fighting the Breen and t comes in, possibly losing 1 ship because of a threat to the entire federation is a worthwhile expense at that stage. We don’t know if it sends a automated signal to starfleet headquarters, which would be a prudent measure, in any case. It could also save lives&subspace overall. Say they are fighting the Borg this time, and they are doing damage to the Octagon(Lol). Then just as they are about to destroy the octagon, a section loses its dampening field/shield around it, and they find out they are fooling around with Omega particles. That shutdown procedure just saved the local area from an explosion that would have happened, if not for instant automated response from the computer.
@bavaro49095 жыл бұрын
One could also add a line to the program like "Hmmm... I (as the ships computer) am FULLY AWARE that my ship is engaged in combat, instead of cruising along fat, dumb, and happy. Omega alert can wait till Janeway has a chance to get some coffee after the fight. I'll just ping Starfleet Command, just in case. Oh wait, no Command transponders, you say? I'll leave her a message."
@brianpadraig5 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine something like the alert wouldn't lock up the ship if they were at red alert, and possibly a few other safeguards in place that would make the ship not lock up given certain variables. possibly if necessary the crew could've unlocked the ship by whoever was in command at the time declaring a red alert, but in the episode it didn't come to that. had the captain actually been out in a shuttle somewhere probably after a while chakotay or whoever had the con might've called for a red alert, worrying this omega thing was an alien attack, and it would've shut it off. all we saw in the episode is that it locks up a starship during low alert status traveling, everything else is just ppl speculating that it'd do the same thing when the ship was in battle, but it only takes a tiny bit of imagination to realize it wouldn't HAVE to be set up that way for the events in the episode to happen as they did. there could easily be plenty of exceptions in the computer to ensure it didn't just lock out a ship in the middle of combat, sensitive rescue missions, or dangerous stellar phenomena.
@delvinciposterkid6 жыл бұрын
Imagine the devastation a cluster of omega particles when unleashed, the galaxy would be fractured, whole civilizations would be wiped out, immeasurable beings perishing in an instant, whole sectors riddled with subspace rifts no ship could ever traverse, the galaxy descending into chaos. I think i played this game before.
@dmclegg663 жыл бұрын
Dam right the stakes are too high to let it stay.
@shauntempley97573 жыл бұрын
The Daleks did that with a particle in the same scale as omega. As in, blew up subspace. All species in Doctor Who use time travel in some form.
@thuzan1173 жыл бұрын
Tuvok: "This violates the prime directive" Janeway: "so?"
@dalesheen18164 жыл бұрын
7:26 "oh uh, yeah we're an Alien race you've never met but we're here to destroy your last hope for energy in your crisis because of some protocol you've never heard about. Now step aside or we will destroy you. Ok see you later bye! :P lolz" - Voyager crew.
@firekram3 жыл бұрын
Ya know, they should probably give them warp technology or you can bet a doomed society is just going to start working on omega again
@allergictostupid24103 жыл бұрын
@@firekram Nah, fuck em! MURICA!
@DLordSadow3 жыл бұрын
In fairness to Voyager’s crew, the Omega particles they were messing around with were guaranteed to blow up in that race’s face eventually. That alone would have destroyed that race, with possibly the entire galaxy suffering as collateral damage.
@DLordSadow3 жыл бұрын
@@firekram Given that they had weaponry that could threaten Voyager and the technology to create Omega particles, they most certainly already had warp technology.
@marvenlunn60862 ай бұрын
@DLordSadow Really didn't 7 say it was stable just before destroying it , just because starfleet couldn't harness omega didn't mean someone thousands of lightyears away from the federation couldn't harness it
@tachyontee38775 жыл бұрын
Picard was assimilated therefore the Borg already know that Starfleet vessels can be effectively disabled if Starfleet vessels' sensor detect the molecule.
@patrickmcshane76584 жыл бұрын
Excellent point.
@oida100006 жыл бұрын
I like the episode because it could explain why we don't have warp-technolgy in the real world: somewhere "close" to us an advanced alien race had an accident.
@un0RRS6 жыл бұрын
The Omega Directive didn't shut down the engines. The particle wave from the Omega Molecule explosion did.
@charlielethurg36666 жыл бұрын
the spice must flow.Without the spice, the navigators will become blind, the Bene Gesserit will lose all power, and all commerce between the Great Houses will cease. Civilization will end! If the omega directive is not obeyed… the spice will not flow!
@bogdan78pop6 жыл бұрын
Loved the parallel !!
@supernautacus3 жыл бұрын
The Omega Directive is a logical reason why Section 31 exists. And clearly, Janeway knew about it. The Prime Directive doesn't restrict Section 31. This was a Section 31 operation clearly.
@bradwolf076 жыл бұрын
This was Voyager doing a morally grey episode well. But yeah, they Should have at least tried to explain to the people why they had to destroy the molecule
@aurorauplinks6 жыл бұрын
imagine this, borge use the attack to learn how to recreate the molecule, they create enough of it, to assimilate the galaxy useing a new method of travel powered by the omega particles effects, maybe transwarp corriders are even immune, leaving borges the only ones able to traverse space quickly
@MrJay_White6 жыл бұрын
relies on trade through warp technology, has no currency to act as an exchange medium. id hate to be the guy having to transport 20000 sheep to trade for half a ton of dilithium. id also hate to be the dilithium mining crew trying to keep all those sheep for future trade.
@robertkalinic3356 жыл бұрын
I will buy your stuff, do you accept good feelings of improving humanity as payment?
@Becka_Harper6 жыл бұрын
I always assumed that they were essentially trading energy credits. Literally the energy worth of the item; kind of like using calories as currency.
@MrJay_White6 жыл бұрын
you mean advanced genetic engineering and eugenics?
@MrJay_White6 жыл бұрын
if thats true, then, they have currency. and actually, that would be hilarious, because it would mean the federation essentially just renamed the petro-dollar.
@TheJarric6 жыл бұрын
episodes has meny referenses to credits
@patricklenigan16506 жыл бұрын
that was actually one of my favorite episodes of the series!
@ronniejacksonjr56076 жыл бұрын
In Star Trek Legacy in the 23rd century kirk put it on his log saiding the Omega incident has spread within 3 light year in federation space, this incident what the Federation created the omega directive.
@timf74136 жыл бұрын
I think it's entirely practical that they would treat the Omega situation with such draconian measures given that it would be a civilization ending scenario for them. When societies are faced with a threat of that magnitude, other concerns tend to go out the window real fast.
@rurrjh6 жыл бұрын
I wonder why Starfleet, did not dump an omega bomb, at the far side of the dominion wormhole, also.
@schwarzerritter57246 жыл бұрын
rurrjh Starfleet does not know how to make an Omega. Not even the Borg know how to make an Omega.
@BrettCaton6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be weaponised very quickly. I can imagine some species would do much better without warp. There are also groups that would love to burn it all down.
@Justicar3336 жыл бұрын
Therein lays the problem. If Starfleet allows knowledge that such a thing as Omega exists to get out. There WILL be galactic powers and independent operators who try to create the stuff. They seem to be taking a 'rewrite history and claim the tech is a dead end that literally blows up so no one can or should try to study it and move on to other things' approach. Even the Dominion wasn't a risk big enough to justify that. Starfleet may loose the war, but is wining it worth potentially destroying all galactic civilization as it was known to exist, throwing everyone back into a potentially inescapable sublight existence? Remember the Dominion actually aren't that harsh unless crossed, so most conquered worlds would go on in arguably less harsh conditions than say those of Cardassian occupied Bajor. And even that for all the tragedy and crimes against 'humanity' left most of Bajor alive to rebuild eventually. Earth of course, we would have been screwed as we got singled out as a rallying point to be made an example of. I'd suggest a wave of last minute immigration to other worlds before the kicked in. But galactic civilization and most of the galactic population would have adjusted to their new occupation governments and then got on with daily life.
@paulgrattan83436 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt exactly be fair to doom the countless species that are ruled by the Dominion would it just to stop the Jem Hadar. You would be dooming innocent species. Besides weapons of mass destruction like subspace based weapons, star/planet killers are banned. I think its apart of the Khitomer accords. FOP would never allow Starfleet to use them. Fed Council/ President would step in.
@Here_is_Waldo6 жыл бұрын
If one person discovers something, someone else will eventually. You can't stop progress, and by keeping it a secret all you're doing is making it so that if someone does use it as a weapon against you, you have no idea what it is or how to defend against it, because all research has been stopped.
@mrbojangles81335 жыл бұрын
it would also be an interesting endgame device by the Federation which keeps the Feds on top
@Cofe826 жыл бұрын
Janeway did say the PD was suspended til mission’s end in the staff briefing
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
Redundancy for the win
@MigrantThought6 жыл бұрын
It was probably there for the audience to remind them of the PD.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
It was within like 10 minutes of each other but possibly
@daviddrake59916 жыл бұрын
10 minutes on DVD but televised a bit longer.
@Rezkeshdadesh6 жыл бұрын
What happens if the Captain dies in combat, and the First Officer takes over? How do they know about the Omega particle?
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
It's been suggested that the command codes transfer... which means a maquis member learns of the omega molecule
@2bituser5696 жыл бұрын
Rezzy wouldn’t a renegade Maquis sf Captain tell others about Omega?
@gatedude076 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Chakotay previously a captain? He should already have known about it.
@andygildajr72526 жыл бұрын
gatedude07 if I remember right he was a lt. commander when he left starfleet
@profshad34296 жыл бұрын
He would be able to access the restricted info
@paulwhitehead30024 жыл бұрын
Tovak was doing his duty in reminding her of the prime directive even though the omega ductile over rides it as the ships computer records every thing with in comunctors range on away missions
@InvictusByz4 жыл бұрын
Tuvok bringing up the Prime Directive could be a bit of passive resistance on his part. Vulcans are known to be rather stubborn from time to time, especially where there core values are concerned. Remember, the Prime Directive was originally introduced to humanity by the Vulcans. It would make sense for the Vulcan member of the crew to remind everyone "This rule is *supposed* to be number one, but then follow orders anyway. A Vulcan is pretty unlikely to outright challenge your authority or refuse orders, but they absolutely will make you turn a request they disagree with into an order.
@xineohpinakc2646 жыл бұрын
I think my biggest problem is the ship lockout. It should just advise to stay put and the computer calls Janeway to her office /ready room and gives her the information. We know the particle is unstable so it might be in part of the mission to not get into negotiations (which takes time) until the threat is neutralized.
@lancep20026 жыл бұрын
Imagine an alien ship coming to earth, blowing up everything nuke related and telling us to not use it ever again and then just leaving. Within a few decades we'd have a nuclear attack fleet ready to hunt them down and reactors in every building
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@Justicar3336 жыл бұрын
I think the ideal was to make it look like the tech was too dangerous to research. Normally you wouldn't let them know you did it, to avoid just that. Janeway and crew improvised, and rather badly. I would have tried to get the scientist to understand and cooperate with destroying the remaining material, and offered him knowledge or an alternate power source, at least the foundation of it, to solve their problem as a sweetener to the deal. He could have then mentioned Voyager came by responding to the distress call, and offered them the tech freely to help them out. It's not like that race was ever going to have warp now, they were not likely to cross out of the subspace damage zone and develop a warp research facility. Odds are they wouldn't be able to ask anyone and find out Federation ships offering free technological candy to pre warp civilizations is a huge red flag that something's not right. :) Then again, maybe there is a cold logic... maybe Voyager didn't want the species to survive. If they did, and someone did eventually find them by crossing the bubble. I suppose it wasn't that big yet if they could make the trip themselves after all. They got a whole planet to ask about how this no warp bubble got there. The Federation may prefer they die off so no one can answer those questions.
@RimaNari6 жыл бұрын
Bad analogy. Nuclear weapons only threaten the ones on the planet experimenting with it, not said aliens. A better analogy would be to map "universe" "earth" and therefore "aliens" "other country on earth". It would be like one country experiments with nuclear weapons and/or power and another country comes and destroys the research with conventional weapons. Still not a good analogy, because the first country would need to not be "space faring", so in this analogy not have things like planes and basically be limited technologically to pre-industrial levels. Which doesn't really fit well with nuclear weapon experimenting...
@timf74136 жыл бұрын
Maybe, I would argue that would probably depend on how much they'd be able to scare us (ie. "don't do this again or we'll be back and we won't be as nice next time"). You could also argue that by destroying the physical infrastructure needed to carry out the work, it would be a certain amount of time before everything could be up and running again.
@dalesheen18164 жыл бұрын
Pretty much x3
@queenbee80456 жыл бұрын
There are times of great need when your morals are tested and an order form superiors violates everything you have been drilled to understand, to believe, to have faith in. In that time you must judge yourself to follow your heart your mind or your orders One must pray they make the right choice. War is hell.
@Lightman03596 жыл бұрын
The knee-jerk inquisition style reaction reminds me of Warhammer 40k and the Emperor's handling of the warp. His actions (banning its use, and all but the most rudimentary knowledge thereof, without explaining the reason, eventually leads to his betrayal by half the armed forces and his death at the hands of his favored son)
@jamesbondoo813 жыл бұрын
Only 60% dead, is our Emperor.
@JasonAguirre5 жыл бұрын
If the main reason for receding the prime directive is the consequences of not having warp or communication for a large society like the federation, surely that reasoning wouldn't apply in this area of the delta quadrant...It's worth Tuvoc at least bringing it up.
@pimpinaintdeadho6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the upload.
@derekcaliman11236 жыл бұрын
I bet Section 31 has Omega as a weapon.
@bavaro49095 жыл бұрын
In the novels, Derek, you are correct. The incident that alerts Starfleet to the true danger of Omega happens during TOS (and is mentioned in Janeway's briefing to the crew) and is a covert 31 action to harness the molecule as a power source beyond warp engines technology. As the Enterprise realizes the danger and goes to emergency warp (slower than TNG era), mention is made of giving several inhabited worlds roughly 5 min warning via subspace comms that, essentially, "You're fucked, see ya."
@erikthomsen47683 жыл бұрын
Would make it pretty good bomb to cripple the Dominion.
@rangerjima6 жыл бұрын
No doubt if Voyager detected it the borg may have as well. Either-way they are probably doomed.
@alexray2306 жыл бұрын
I think Tuvok may have brought up the prime directive when he did just to get confirmation from Janeway that it no longer applied, just to make sure.
@scottmcintosh43975 жыл бұрын
"Practical and Logical." 2 extremely important words, both in Sci-Fi & real life 👍👍👍
@jonathandeeter5 жыл бұрын
It’s justified to supersede the prime directive bc the directive expires when a civilization reaches warp tech, and if subspace is destroyed then that directive doesn’t work
@mysticranger68946 жыл бұрын
BTW I love your voice, makes everything so official!
@ianthegodking6 жыл бұрын
Solving the species energy issue. My solution would be for voyager to give them detailed info on federation energy production tech. While it could be seen as a violation of the prime directive the fact it would mean they no longer needed to create omega means the prime directive is negated via the omega directive, there is also the fact that any negative effect of giving fed tech is minimal as they are already a advanced species at a similar level to the federation. It is a unusual but ultimately humane way of interpreting and using the omega directives priority over the prime directive.
@MigrantThought6 жыл бұрын
2:44 those four black dots made me think there where smuges on my screen.
@vonshroom20686 жыл бұрын
5* or is that a smudge on my screen?
@SeaJay_Oceans5 жыл бұрын
1:15 Every Borg Cube gets a Tupperware box full of Omega particle jello. Federation defeated.
@michaelpettersson49196 жыл бұрын
What Janeway did is kind of pointless, once Voyager left it is likely that the locals restarted their Omega Molecule program since they STILL are in dire need of a source of power. Janeway could have fixed that BEFORE destroying the molecules since after that the Omega Directive would no longer be in effect and as such a technology transfer would violate the now once more in effect Prime Directive.
@canarak16 жыл бұрын
I believe that in the episode they were told by the lead scientist that they didn't have enough of the ore to make any more. Assuming that the ore is incredibly rare, this would make sense. Even the borg could not locate more of the ore, and this molecule is their holy grail, so to speak.
@AdamMPick6 жыл бұрын
Imagine the Manhattan Project beeing blown to smithereens before the first test firing, because one of the bombs was constructed on site and detonated early. In one instance you lost 2/3 of you best people, almost all classified data and all fissionable material you could produce and no one knows why it detonated. Now imagine you beeing on the losing side of the war with time running out. Would you start annother Manhattan Project? They were dead as a species, anyway.
@aragos327276 жыл бұрын
Remember, seven of nine was the first person to do whatever it was that she did with Omega particle. The Borg did not think outside of the box. They followed their own Doctrine. So therefore they would not use a fake Omega particle to trick Starfleet ships. On top of that because they thought themselves to be so much higher than Starfleet and their technology was 10 times better why would they have to use a dirty underhanded mean for their end goal?
@windhelmguard52955 жыл бұрын
while it is true that the borg do not innovate (they assimilate, they adapt and they overwhelm but they do not innovate) as creative thinking is extinguished by the hive mind, it has long been a theory of mine, that this weakness is why the borg queens exist, when the borg is faced with a threat that can not be overcome by sheer force (such as species 8472), a queen is created, unlike the collective, the queen is capable of creative thinking, the queen can use diplomacy and deception, so she would surely also be able to spark innovation should she deem it necessary. what i think is much more so the case is that the borg hive mind absorbs knowledge from anyone they assimilate but the collective also absorbs their interpretations of that knowledge, so since anyone they have assimilated was scared to shit of the consequences of just the knowledge of an omega particle existing, the borg share this interpretation and won't touch an omega particle with a ten foot pole either.
@dmclegg663 жыл бұрын
Right why would the Borg bother with it until they were nerfed they were unstoppable
@aragos327273 жыл бұрын
Holy crap. Was I drunk when I wrote that?
@Bluesonofman5 жыл бұрын
This is why they need to develop hyperdrive technology that way they dont have to worry about the Omega molecule. Or maybe Warp travel. It may be slow but it's safe as long as pykers dont show up.
@MigrantThought6 жыл бұрын
6:23 Why is this being inserted in every video now?
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
People had issues with mid roll ads..so I inserted a bump on videos that had them so ads arent cutting off sentences...
@vichodeivis12196 жыл бұрын
Well, for some reason I never seen an add there. But I live in the under world of the southern hemisphere and ads are assigned by country, maybe that's why.
@2bituser5696 жыл бұрын
Lore Reloaded thanks. That is annoying when ads break in
@VincentVisee6 жыл бұрын
Lore Reloaded the idea is good, but it never worked till now :/
@ML-uv4gg6 жыл бұрын
I use KZbin Red so I had no idea that there was an ad there
@Blundabus13377 ай бұрын
I know it's an old video, but if the omega particle prevented warp within all of federation space. . . that would basically be what happened in 40k during the age of strife.
@RedKytten5 жыл бұрын
So, the only justification I can think of for Tuvok mentioning the prime directive on the ground there is... well... habit. For years and years, it was hammered into him that the prime directive is above all, and now he is having too specifically ignore it. I don't really feel that he would doubt her though, and I don't feel that his 'vulcan mind' would need it for it's own peace, at least not enough he would have mentioned it. But, well, like I said. That is the only justification I can think of.
@gprimr14 жыл бұрын
Couple things 1.) Seven mentions the Borg never found enough Boronite ore to make more Omega so that makes me think it will be a long delay. 2.) I do agree that they should have shared some technology with them for clean, sustainable energy; however, you could make an argument based on Friendship One the danger of that. 3.) I think the Omega Directive is bigger than the Federation. So many other species use warp drive. A large scale Omega explosion could destroy not just Federation commerce, but impact multiple other races. It's a difficult thing to deal with, but this seems like a solid "The Needs of the Many" situation. Destroying the ability to travel faster than light impacts everyone.
@DD88426 жыл бұрын
As much as I give voyager shit for being bad this idea makes sense. Without FLT interstellar travels ends civilizations, not self-sufficient would just die. Since it breads subspace FTL communication between worlds would end effectively. That many particles is the death of a galaxy of empires in a box.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
I agree
@zuzoscorner6 жыл бұрын
i know it a differnt universe and all but i'm supirsed the star trek universe never invented anything like stargates or jump gates from Mass effect. I mean they have warp cores, energy is not an issue
@plummet38606 жыл бұрын
That would be the iconian gateway my friend :)
@LeWille006 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Warhammer 40K explores the consequences of no FTL : it causes the federation to crumble, with whole words dying, others regressing... Not something you would want.
@2bituser5696 жыл бұрын
They’re too dependent on warp drive. Kelvin timeline totally eliminates need for warp drive with transwarp beaming.
@forpointsix4.6786 жыл бұрын
Great Video!! Also about your last question, should they have told the other race why they are taking the molecule. NO, the Omega Order dump's the Prim Directive and orders any Captain to tell NO ONE what she is doing. So her response is totally acceptable.
@gatedude076 жыл бұрын
Well, yes and no. Normally, a captain would contact Starfleet and a special team would be sent out to deal with the molecule, and presumably whomever made it. Obviously, this support system is not an option for Janeway. The Directive basically boils down to "stop Omega Molecules at all costs." Certainly secrecy is a GREAT way to do this (you can't synthesize something you don't even know exists), but when you have an entire civilization that has decided to manufacture the molecule as their solution to their resource depletion, letting them know what a bad idea it is and then OFFERING ALTERNATIVES would be a much better way of doing things. "Stop! You'll destroy interstellar civilization throughout the galaxy! You want cheap clean energy? Here's the blueprints for our antimatter reactors that can even run on waste." After all, they were prepared to share their energy generation technology with the Malon for a lesser reason (saving a single species as opposed to the entire galaxy), so doing it to fulfill the Directive would make a ton of sense.
@timf74136 жыл бұрын
The episode clearly establishes that in a normal situation Janeway wouldn't have been responsible for dealing with it at all. She would have reported it to command and they would have sent in a team of specialists. Janeway's original plan to handle it herself without telling anyone was her interpretation of what to do given that she couldn't follow the actual protocol.
@oigomieggo246 жыл бұрын
gatedude07 nah, if she told the civilization, unscrupulous people would try to turn it into a weapon to hold over other civilizations
@BainesMkII6 жыл бұрын
Telling the race about the omega molecule risks encouraging the race to continue exploring that avenue as a future weapon/threat.
@gprimr14 жыл бұрын
I always assumed when they say "We made arrangements to return the injured crew to their homeworld" that was the point were they explained why they did what they did, and the dangers of Omega. It's also mentioned it's very hard to find the boronite ore needed to make Omega. I do agree though, this was a scene that the episode needed.
@Pulsarnix3 жыл бұрын
I love that they have the episode in Voyager and then they make it a pivotal plot point in Star Trek Legacy involving T'Uerell and an early from of The Borg. That is If you consider Star Trek Legacy cannon, which barring a couple of very minor errors (such as Kirk apparently being an Admiral aboard the Enterprise A) it could be.
@DarianHarder4 жыл бұрын
7:00 I just rewatched the episode last night, and I figured that the reason Chakotay and crew didn’t disclose the information with the other ship was because of the omega directive itself. He was ordered not to by Janeway & Starfleet. For “matters of galactic security”. Kinda like the way the government doesn’t always explain their reasons for things the CIA or military does for reasons of National Security in real life!
@WolfestoneManor6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you took such a good look at this. This is the first time I've ever heard someone talk about Omega without bashing Janeway needlessly.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
People believe that I have a need to attack Janeway and get pissed off.. It's actually untrue.. I try to look at the actions in context and objectively.. She's not always in the wrong.
@WolfestoneManor6 жыл бұрын
Lore Reloaded From what I've seen you usually do. I'm so used to her being bashed endlessly and with little regard although I do agree she was poorly written.
@yobogoya43675 жыл бұрын
Let's also look at the fact that they didn't mention it's affect on Transwarp. We don't know if Omega would have a negative impact on that. If it didn't, it would spell certain doom for every other race in the quadrant, as the Borg would be completely unstoppable with that advantage.
@Padge1122 жыл бұрын
I just have visions of What Culture ST sat in a room combing over your content for their fucking endless lists. Love your content man.
@VVeremoose3 жыл бұрын
Presumably the Omega override doesn't happen when at red alert or when the ship is in a compromised position. The ST computer has pretty good AI
@thecanadianclassroom31886 жыл бұрын
Could it be that Tuvoc was just overwhelmed and reverted to his dogma until Janeway reminded him of the briefing they had by overriding the Prime Directive?
@tompatterson43166 жыл бұрын
Voyager should have given the aliens safer tech, than Omega. This wouldn't violate any laws, since they were all suspended. This would even be the best way to fulfill the directive, since has mentioned there is nothing to stop them from trying again once Voyager is out of range.
@2bituser5696 жыл бұрын
The ufp is too dependent on warp drive. Kelvin timeline totally eliminates need for warp drive with transwarp beaming. Would transwarp beaming be nullified by Omega?
@d0lph1n634 жыл бұрын
the issue is that species had ships whose impulse engines were just about as powerful as Voyager’s. Plus I’ve always wondered how they managed to waste all their in-system resources instead of sending out scouts to find more resources or were they like many species in Borg Space: so terrified of the Borg coming after them that they had refrained from traveling outside their system and now its too late for them to do anything. Plus nothing was stopping them from contacting other civilizations for assistance if the situation was that dire.
@OwenKoenig6 жыл бұрын
I want to see a return of the Omega Directive (or its creation) either in any future series or perhaps STD in a future season.
@stevencorrea69464 жыл бұрын
How far is STD going to take it. Well I know they have that tardigrade thingamajiggy might need some penicillin on it
@sundoga49615 жыл бұрын
Tuvok probably wasn't fully briefed on the Omega Particle. And he backed down because the order Janeway gave was NOT illegal - as we've seen in other episodes, it's the Captain's job to interpret the Prime Directive, or at least the senior Starfleet officer present.
@LoreReloaded5 жыл бұрын
He was at the reveal all meeting
@sundoga49615 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded Ok - it's been awhile since I saw the episode. Did Janeway actually say the PD was suspended?
@kevinslater41266 жыл бұрын
It's a failure of training, which Janeway can't be blamed for. Starfleet captains are told of this one instance where, due to the extreme danger of an artificial molecule, the Prime Directive is rescinded. They don't want knowledge of this to become well known, it would have potentially harmful public relations problems trying to explain to their own citizens, allies, and especially enemies why they need to ignore their most basic rule. Imagine if the Romulan Star Empire discovered a situation where the 'noble' Federation would rescind their precious 'Prime Directive'. God, the consequences. So I find it understandable that only the most trusted Starfleet personnel, the captains, ever learn of this directive and a highly specialized team then goes out to fix the problem. Janeway has a crew that isn't experienced in going to a planet and ignoring the Prime Directive. They're dumped with a minimal breakdown of this problem in a meeting, Janeway probably gives them only the bare minimum information to her senior officers in an effort to fulfill her duty, the officers are working from only some knowledge, they don't know the best way to deal with the culture, they don't know the best way to dispose of these dangerous particles, they're conflicted by the training they've been given to keep their hands off another culture's stuff, and they have minimal time to prepare for this mission. All in all I think the episode did it pretty well. About what I would expect from the circumstances at hand.
@TheKrstff6 жыл бұрын
The crew wasn't dooming the civilization. Those people could not stabilize the particle so it was useless.
@simonhartley54446 жыл бұрын
PiLambdaOd actually omega did stabilise. They used omegas own resonance frequency to determine the containment field frequency. An approach unknown to the Borg. I think that’s what helped stabilise them. That or, when they were destroying them they inadvertently had the exact amount of molecules for a stable particle.
@Aravaganthus6 жыл бұрын
The Omega Directiva is necessary, it's just that next to the Sacred Prime Directive makes no sense, but that's because there's actual reasoning behind Omega.
@gapratt49556 жыл бұрын
Gonna try to explain this best as I can, apologies if I muff it up. Military protocol is that senior officers remind command of when they are violating an order. This gives command an opportunity to either cut the crap and follow orders or explain themselves. What this does for the subordinate officer is give them an out, IE, hey told them it was a bad idea and followed orders under duress. For a better explanation look basic command protocols and responsibility.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
So even if advised they will say it again.. and again and such?
@gapratt49556 жыл бұрын
Depends on the commander, as well as the specie of the subordinate officer. The repetition could be attributed to being as clear and concise ensuring protocol was followed to the letter since she was dealing a Vulcan who pays attention to those things.
@patrickwise88046 жыл бұрын
Tuvok: "Captain, I must remind you that we are in the Delta Quadrant, many lightyears from Federation space."
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
#nailedit
@CJ-4426 жыл бұрын
I think Tuvok’s line that you mentioned at 6:20 was just the writer’s trying to enunciate to the audience that the crew was having to break the Prime Directive for the greater good.
@windhelmguard52955 жыл бұрын
it's not just that it makes warp travel impossible. there is also the fact that an omega particle explosion is so god damn huge that it can wipe out huge regions of space, the purpose of dealing with it is also not about preventing THAT particle from blowing up, it is to prevent ANYONE from finding out that they exist because of the danger of that knowledge getting into the wrong hands. as for tuvok following janeways orders to violate the prime directive is technically not wrong, when confronted with such an order any soldier or officer would normally be expected to execute this order and then report the incident to higher ups afterwards.
@Theri44446 жыл бұрын
what would happen if the federation ran into a civilization that has been using Omega Particles for say a few 100 years. Would the federation go to war with that civilization just to destroy the Omega Particles?
@matthewpeterson35856 жыл бұрын
Minor point but... shouldn’t the Borg have learned of the Omge Directive when Picard was assimilated? And that’s assuming he was the first person with knowledge of this to ever be assimilated. 🤷🏻♂️
@oida100006 жыл бұрын
I always thought that after the fight the patients on Voyager would have sent back briefed on the threat.
@Roxor1286 жыл бұрын
I wonder: What would happen if someone, let's say the Borg, given they're pretty obsessed with the stuff, synthesised enough Omega that when it destabilised, it rendered warp travel impossible throughout the Milky Way? Would that knock everyone back to sub-light technologies? Would it affect transwarp drives? If it killed subspace communications as well, how would the Borg handle the vastly-increased communications latency? The list of questions goes on and on. You could write millions of words of fanfiction exploring the consequences of this scenario.
@dirdib69 Жыл бұрын
The civilization would have been left surrounded by subspace ruptures after Janeway destroyed the molecules, so basically no one from outside their solar system would ever be able to go there. If they were pre-warp, they'd likely never notice that effect. But yes, I would expect them to try to make the molecules again, but maybe surrounded by ruptured subspace it wouldn't matter.
@TangomanX2008 Жыл бұрын
The reason why Tuvoc brought up the Prine Directed was that he was playing Candy Crush when Jabeway was explaining that it had been suspended
@thewewguy8t885 жыл бұрын
While I do agree that the prime directive makes sense to be overtaken by the omega directive. The issue I have is then why cant comon sense overtake the prime directive. Or at the very least base things on a situation by situation basis. Like it makes no sense that the prime directive is this unbreakable rule except for this one situation.
@apljack6 жыл бұрын
With how Star Trek is in general, it is not that much of a stretch at all that the Omega Directive's Shutdown would activate during a combat situation.... Or a situation where a sudden stop would obviously put the ship in direct danger. Similarly, if there was no captain to remove the lockout, it might not activate at all until someone qualified to handle the situation is on board. Just how I look at that particular scene. It did stop the ship and lock everything down, however, there was no immediate threat to the ship, the captain was available, and therefore opportunity to handle the situation was there. Didn't Janeway also mention that under normal circumstances she would not be trying to destroy Omega herself, but only verify and forward findings to the correct response teams?
@leonardosternberg50936 жыл бұрын
Does somenone knows the song that plays during the video? It isn't in the description of the video
@bisonhawk13 жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken the subject of assimilating Starfleet captains did come up in this episode
@ivanthemadvandal84353 жыл бұрын
It did
@GUNVALKERIE3 жыл бұрын
After Janeway and Seven were in the process of reducing the amount of molecules, the molecules were stabilizing... they could've at the time found a way to keep it... VOYAGER would be a self sustaining starship with no end in resources
@warlockchant71224 жыл бұрын
My thoughts that if you share the knowledge of the Omega particle with them, they might use it as a weapon against another race later on. Keeping quiet about it potentials could have save many lives. Also, Tuvok might have reminded the Capt of the prime directive as a reality check...even though it was recinded.
@firstnamelastname-bx9md6 жыл бұрын
whats up with the 'breaks' in the newer vids?
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
For ads, so that mid rolls don't cut off sentences.
@MartinGasparini86 Жыл бұрын
one question is sleepstream possible in a place with the subspace destroyed
@rurrjh6 жыл бұрын
Re Tuvok, I see it as Prime directive as religion, Janeway, openly recinding the PD makes Tuvok, ansty. For a vulcan the PD, would be life.
@pkscarr6 жыл бұрын
Re: Chakotay not explaining the danger of the molecule to the attackers... Seems pretty clear to me that you could, quite easily, turn an effect like the Omega molecule exploding into a potentially region-destabilising weapon. disabling Warp travel and communications in enemy lines would be a gigantic tactical advantage in war. I would say this is why he CANNOT explain the danger. It'd be like in modern day, stealing a lump of refined uranium from a civilisation that has no Nukes, but as your stealing it saying "oh, we're taking this off you because you could have turned this into a gigantic bomb and used it to threaten your neighbors". They would have immediately started attempting to turn any more they had *into* a gigantic bomb because they now know it to be possible.
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
So they could find another way to make it and thus have the same effect..
@TheRealEraser4 жыл бұрын
@Lore Reloaded Now we see why the Federation was so hell bent on getting rid of the omega particle. As seen in discovery with the burn, Losing warp drive had a massive effect on all people with millions if not billions dying. Also this is with some ships still being able to use warp, imagine if there were no ships capable of warp? I do have 1 question tho, Why did they not use the romulan warp core? it does not use dilithium but a singularity as a power source.
@kobra66604 жыл бұрын
So what happens when omega and general order7 conflict which one has bigger priority
@captainbryce13 жыл бұрын
6:00 Is Tuvok derelict in his duties by allowing Janeway to give an "apparent" illegal order to violate the Prime Directive? Yes. However, this isn't the first time Tuvok has done this. Recall that in the pilot episode "Caretaker" Tuvok gives Janeway the exact same speech right when she's about to destroy the array. He points out that by doing so they would be violating the Prime Directive, she basically rescinds the Prime Directive, and in the process strands the entire crew in the Delta Quadrant. This is arguably a much more egregious offense since she had no real justification for violating the directive other than her personal feelings about the Ocampa. Tuvok should have relieved her of command right then and there (clearly she's not fit if she's willing to do that), but he doesn't. He goes along with her plan because he trusts her. His actions in The Omega Directive are consistent with his character. And remember, according to The Dictates of Poetics by T'Hain of Vulcan, A character's actions must flow inexorably from his or her established traits! Tuvok objecting to Janeway's illegal order would be an entirely implausible plot development. 😉
@stratiusrex92875 жыл бұрын
Or an offer of assistance in giving them an alternative power source
@glassesman153 жыл бұрын
This was your best episode
@jonathanhensley61414 жыл бұрын
Was a good episode and the show should have dealt more with the omega molecule. Only a type 2 civilization or higher can build OP but they had civilization who wasn't even type 1 creating it. Love to see Voyager running Into a type 3 or higher fully developed OP and see how they handle it.
@seraphina9856 жыл бұрын
One thing I always thought with this episode especially with the prime directive being rescinded why could they not only explain exactly why the omega power source they were researching was dangerous but also offer them an alternative? Something that can produce abundant relatively safe energy using the most abundant element in the universe as a fuel source like I don't know a fusion reactor? I would argue that any risks posed by experimenting with fusion would be far preferable than experimenting with omega especially if you started with plans for a working prototype model to research initially. The idea that they would stop researching omega without an alternative option even if they were fully informed of the risks is pretty retarded to me, the threat of extinction will make beings take crazy risks after all if the alternative is death anyway you can't get any more dead than dead and at that point the damage to subspace would be kinda irrelevant anyway at least for the ones that caused it by virtue of the whole being dead thing. It would seem to me that it's only logical that short of being in a position to leave an ongoing military presence in place to prevent any further research into omega by force there is no way to accomplish the goal of terminating their hazardous research permanently other than providing them with a better option.
@STSWB5SG1FAN3 жыл бұрын
That could be why only captains and above know anything about Omega. These protocols were put into place only to deal with the IMMEDIATE threat of Omega. Some sort of trade negotiations and a technology transfer would come later.
@jamesjr55006 жыл бұрын
The big question will an Omega explosion effect travel using the Spore Drive?
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
...mother of god
@JenkoRun6 жыл бұрын
I wonder what Starfleet would do if they encountered a space fairing civilization that was already powering their entire society on Omega Molecules...
@LoreReloaded6 жыл бұрын
go to war ;P
@DotADBX5 жыл бұрын
actually just watched this episode again recently you missed the fact that the species that made the omega particles was a "pre-warp" society so if you take into consideration that the omega directive allows the federation to take and destroy any particles found it the prime directive probably still stands when speaking with a pre warp society so while they stole the particle the prime directive stops them from explaining why they are doing what they are doing or helping them in any way create another source of power to save their race as the federation does not play God on deciding who lives or dies. Its complicated but I feel both directives allows a captain do exactly what we see in the episode. Shitty way to make first contact though.