Starship Lore : Unloved, Forgotten Starfleet Ships

[@prion42]

I feel the wolf 359 graveyard deserves its own video. Those weren't low res CGI creations, but physical models. As such there's lots of good info online about their visual aspect. But in-universe stats and purposes of these ships are all beta canon since we never see them functioning on screen.

[@Judge-wi1on]

You're right, but some of those ships at Wolf 359, I believe, are first true ships to break the 'design rules' of 1) no single nacelle designs, 2) no line of sight to nacelles, 3) nacelles can only be in pairs. That said, in that instance they were intentionally blurred on screen to not make out their "flaws".

[@aurorauplinks]

Maybe they were vertical aligned tests to explore designs and pulled to immediate service in dire need to protect earth etc

[@Dargonhuman]

Personally, I wouldn't read too much into the Wolf 359 graveyard as most of the hulls were "kitbashed" models that the production designers threw together in a few days just to have something to put on screen. A lot of the harder to see ones weren't built with any sort of guiding thought or design specifications in mind, they were literally just random pieces from different model kits glued together to look interesting in the background and give the shot a more dynamic feel. Remember that episode was filmed in the days before high-definition blu-ray or digital streaming (VHS was still barely coming into its own...) so they weren't planning on a bunch of nerds analyzing every frame of the scene to build an online database or debate over endlessly years later.

[@AmaranthOriginal]

Starship Lore: Ships that only appeared in explosions.

[@SR71ABCD]

From my knowledge this is how I see it at 3:37 Class 3 ( SS Kobiashy Maru ) Soyuz Class ( USS Bozeman and USS Soyuz ) Miranda Class ( USS Reliant, USS Saratoga, USS Britain, USS Majestic and USS Spectre ) Miranda Class ( Variant II - USS Lantree) Miranda Class ( Variant III - USS Saratoga and USS Miranda)

[@classicforreal]

of course Fraiser's ship would be the ONE ship without a gelato machine

[@LoreReloaded]

... it figures yea :/

[@SHADOSTRYKR]

The cargo bay is FULL of Sherry

[@CardboardSliver]

Wonder if the captains chair was a beat up old recliner.....

[@aurorauplinks]

The timeline tried to expel him but he had too much interesting things to broadcast to the federation at large

[@Dargonhuman]

@@SHADOSTRYKR And the replicators only make tossed salads and scrambled eggs. I hear it's quite stylish.

[@Starman_Dx]

Wow, can't wait for your hour long documentary about the Oberth to cap it all off. I'm simply bursting with anticipation. It'll be a treat for the eyes. I'm sure it'll blow out all your viewership records with it's explosive rise to the top.

[@LoreReloaded]

I've already done a video on the oberth..

[@Starman_Dx]

@@LoreReloaded but an hour long! And... And... Welp I've hit the limit on 'tasteful' explosive puns...

[@DavBotsArcade]

Every time, every video, KZbin subtitles pick up "two nacelles" as "Tuna cells" 😆😆😆

[@AudeKhatru]

The Saladin and Ptolemy Class ships are seen in the original Star Fleet Technical Manual (1975), the one from the original series, but produced years later and largely without official backing. The Saladin was a single-nacelle Destroyer. The guide also included a three-nacelle Dreadnought class ship. I know more than one of these guides was produced and sold, but I am the only person I have ever met that owns one, and I have since it was new.

[@aperson22222]

Ah yes, “A Time to Stand.” The most aptly-named episode in all of Trek. I love the Daedalus, I think it’s just gorgeous. One of my biggest disappointments with ENT was that we never saw it in action even though that was roughly the right time period.

[@alex_inside]

If they got their full 7 season run we for sure would have seen it. What a shame.

[@Wildcard120]

In a big FASA poster I got in the 80's, the Ptomey class is listed. It is a ancestor to the Avenger/Miranda class starship.

[@axenledgie1423]

Big hug to all our lonely ships that never got the love they deserved! ...and also the Daedalus-class.

[@steelgreyed]

I am suddenly curious about a glaring issue with the View screens in Star Trek. Not the windows, but when you look at a Klingon or Romulan ship comm screen, yer lucky if you see a bulkhead or a second person, but here on the background of several of these Federation ship view screens is, often while talking to Enemies, ....the technical layouts of the ship and which parts are currently functional. I no longer question why "some" of these ships get one shotted so often.

[@VOYAGERNCC]

Love any Federation vessel with the sphere section on it

[@norcalprepper7313]

It was a blast hanging out with you ,Lore

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea.. you guys really helped out..was fun :)

[@Zaron_Gaming]

Ya that was a good night man. Speaking of, lore the last 4 hours of the stream haven't showed on the channel. I sense KZbin fuckery

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

Personally, I'd love to see a video on the New Orleans, Cheyenne, Springfield and Niagara classes. Keep up the great work!

[@joeespin4377]

Please do a video discussing weather the A,B, C, D, or E are really needed. and whe they are used.

[@DJonScott]

The Yager/Jaeger class is literally kitbashed from an Intrepid saucer and nacelles being put onto the body of a Federation/Maquis fighter. If you look closely, you can see even the details of the hull, the way the wings attach, the segmented indentations on the tail-fins...that's a Maquis (Federation) fighter model with Intrepid bits stuck onto it.

[@GraniteGhost778]

The Norway got some love finally!

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Slade , I really like the Norway class. In fact, I like all of the John Eaves ship designs that were made for Star Trek First Contact...all must haves from Eaglemoss!

[@GraniteGhost778]

The Norway, Steamrunner and Akira are all favorites from that era of starship design. Just really like how unconventional they are and wish we could see more of them.

[@Spino2Earth]

I'm actually from Norway :)

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Spino2Earth , so you have a really cool ship named after your esteemed country!!

[@wolfassassin359]

What i heard from rumors was that the CGI model of the Norway class got corrupted so that why we never got to see more of it :( Always backup your data.

[@DenverStarkey]

7:06 that vessel didn't have just one nacelle. It has two it's just in a top down view it looks like 1. The ship is featured the Starfleet comand video game series where you can.see it has two nacelles. They are just turned different from a normal ship.

[@Rightwing1750]

I love videos like these. Fleshing out a fleet with destroyers, tugs, and other assorted vessels. I always wished Star Trek would show us more and differant ship designs in Star Fleet.

[@jarvy251]

I was hoping for more info on the Soyuz. The Bozeman's aft section has what could either be some sort of weapon, or a sensor array, and it's never made clear what it is.

[@LoreReloaded]

I'll break more in the beta canon

[@morgan97475]

At 4:01....is that Dana Delany standing behind Frasier?

[@mauleon01]

Idea for a video : Galaxy distances. For example, enterprise d takes about a day or less to go from the neutral zone to sector 001. Looking at all the maps out there, Voyager would've taken a year or so to come back from the delta cuadrant. So, what's going on? are the maps wrong somehow? the actua Alpha and Beta states are actually way smaller than how they appear on those maps?

[@The_Natalist]

The fact that ships can be fully automated in ST means that " relativistic kill vehicles" with warp drives would and should be a thing in ST. As they would be the optimal weapon against other planets and space stations

[@uroborous01]

i would be very interested to learn about the civilian warp ships used in enterprise, namely the freight ships that were kindof like warp speed generational ships.

[@acethesupervillain348]

The Yeager-class is pretty obviously a combination of the Intrepid hull and Maquis Raider hull. Seems like possibly designed to be from an alternate version of the Voyager timeline where both Voyager and Val Jean survived and were combined into a single ship.

[@RimaNari]

Did you cover the Raven yet, the Hansen's research ship? It's operated by civilians, but distinctly a Starfleet design. Also, that Jager class (or however you spell it) is just ridiculous. It's like the two models they had lying around, an Intrepid and a Maquis fighter, and they just rammed them together with enough force that the models sticked somewhat together. Then they brought it in to filming, proudly announcing the brand new Jager class.

[@jhmcd2]

Hey, Star Trek has always been done on a tight budget! Its at its best when at a tight budget! If you have problems with some ships that weren't seen, or a lack of ice cream machines then Call up Dr. Frasier Crane, he's the captain on the Bozeman! I'm sure he'll suggest on ongoing therapy.

[@GenuineBronxite]

Just don't ask him what year it is...

[@DrTree-to9pv]

I hear the bridge of the daedalus class was basically a Menchies!

[@Lesserthannone]

Nup, during TNG Money was flowing in, Paramounts always been a bit tight

[@randyhutchinson9910]

Jame M no, he'll recommend you to Niles Crane, and he'll invite you over for dinner, say, around 8 ?? HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@barontaylor7139]

Sideshow Bob

[@BrokenEyes00]

Lore master, what do you think Starfleet did with the USS Voyager wants it returned to the alpha quadrant? Remember they just had had a 4-5 year period of war with overlapping battles with Klingons, Cardassians, Breen, Dominion and the Borg on top of discovering the Borg has a transqarp opening less than a light year from earth that may or may not have been destroyed. If I were a Starfleet admiral who have lived through all of that, saw a transwarp portal open in my backyard and watch a Borg sphere puke out a Starfleet vessel upgrades with Borg and future tech that could one shot a cube I don’t think the regular or the temporal prime directive would keep me from exploiting everything new about Voyager and securing the federation from future war with anyone, what do you think?

[@LoreReloaded]

I think they needed a pr win as well.. morale would have been low. I'd imagine they would have reverse engineered the tech and stuck Voyager in a museum and highlighted it as federation ingenuity.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

In the novels it got a full refit and slipstream drive. Somehow it was also a very extensive one, replacing the nacelles and even fitting saucer separation. Seems closer to a rebuild to me.

[@BrokenEyes00]

Lore Reloaded would agree then Starfleet was on its way to being permanently a military?

[@Judge-wi1on]

As said in Star Trek IV:"How do we know he didnt invent the bloody thing?" I think Voyager would have been isolated in a dry dock for analysis first. After 2 years it be out on a limited P.R. tour without its tech, or another Intrepid Class clone while the real one is dissected. The clone would end up in a museum while the real one would be area 51'ed.

[@BrokenEyes00]

Judge 1981 don’t you mean section 31’d?

[@ussakira7294]

What about the New Orleans class Starship cause it's Primary Hull is the same as the Galaxy class Starship

[@LoreReloaded]

indeed, i straight up missed that class.. ugh

[@ussakira7294]

@@LoreReloaded it's OK cause there r so many Federation Starship classes that it's easy 2 miss some old. Could u do a video about the Andromeda Ascendant one day

[@ussakira7294]

@@LoreReloaded thanks for liking my comment

[@ussakira7294]

@@LoreReloaded Your videos r always amazing

[@chrissonofpear3657]

It's made from a Enterprise-D model kit, but the windows are bigger in comparison. That supports it actually being only half the size of the Galaxy-class.

[@stevebruns1833]

From Memory Alpha: The Ptolemy-class starship display was literally a page pulled from Franz Josephs' Star Fleet Technical Manual. In it, he has designated the class as a "Class I Transport/Tug - MK-VI" In addition to the Ptolemy, other images appearing in the graphic loop from this source include the Saladin-class, Hermes-class, and Federation-class.

[@LoreReloaded]

...k?

[@stevebruns1833]

@@LoreReloaded The segment on these two never gets into that info and assumes that the viewer knows it--and the ships--already. Something like this might have been more appropriate: "Next up: The Ptolomy-cass tug and Saladin-class destroyer. (Show a decent-looking graphic of each) These two first appeared in the 1975 book "The Starfeet Technical Manual" by Franz Joseph, and were widely assumed by fans to be canon. However, they didn't actually earn their on-screen canonical status until seven years later when they appeared as blurry background graphics in 1982's Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. (Show crappy screen capture.) A long wait and an inauspicious debut for these celebrated ships."

[@AMVShooterUnlimited]

Welp... I just got educated a bit, for years I've been calling the Saladin Class an Apollo Class. I referred to the USS Kelvin as a Apollo Class variant with a shuttle bay above the primary hull, much like the refit with a single nacelle above and below the primary hull.

[@LordZack1]

We probably don't see the Wolf 359 ships after that battle because they probably share many of the same design flaws you've noted that the Galaxy and Nebula-classes have, being so similar in design. I believe that these would be products of Starfleet's era of pacifism and complacency and while they may have received refits like the Galaxy and Nebula-classes did, were probably generally relegated to less important assignments during the Dominion War, while the newer ships like the Akira-class would get assigned to the more critical assignments that Deep Space Nine and the Defiant were involved in. That is just my opinion, though.

[@andrewwblanchard6037]

7:17 THE OBERTH CLASS SHIP 💥 A BIG EXPLOSION IN SPACE

[@paladinboyd1228]

Will we be seeing the federation tank that was apparently seen in the animated series?

[@LoreReloaded]

I've been asked about that, I'm going to look it up.. would be under technology - not starship lore

[@paladinboyd1228]

Lore Reloaded, Thank you, I saw a offhand comment about it in one of your videos comment section and couldn’t find it on the wikis, I thought I imagined it.

[@GeekFilter]

There wasn’t a ‘tank’ in TAS. The closest thing is the Vedalan land vehicle from ‘The Jihad’ but that wasn’t Federation technology and it’s not clear if Vedala is even in the Federation or was just an ally.

[@Nowhereman10]

The three stolen Vulcan ships did not make it "deep into Federation space" and the Enterprise was on an intercept course after the crew quickly realized that a distress call from a Federation planet was a fake and meant to lure them away from there.

[@rhodrage]

I can't believe the Olympic Class exists outside of an alternate timeline now. Thanks Lower Decks.

[@Redrally]

I was so happy when that happened. The Olympic Class is my favourite starship class variant.

[@redmarble6464]

7:53 Now we know what renaissance class looks like because of Star Trek online

[@cts006]

Gelato machines would have been considered an *EXTENSIVE* refit back in those days.

[@MrStar-gv5do]

He's right the Yeager looks awesome if you want to see a bad combination of the intrepid and some maquis fighter and nice video

[@Pulsar047]

Excellent video, why I'm subscribed.

[@NB-TB]

5:47 looks like a klingon BoP is balls deep into voyager, B'lana and Paris would be proud.

[@CRocketSlim]

@2:40 one of my favorite TAS ships I'm glad they made canon with the TOS blu rays

[@JohnSmith-wh6zs]

Ptolemy class destroyer was mainly in the oldest tech manuals and the original star trek battles game, there was two types , the frigate and the destroyer, the latter having photon torps

[@timrobinson513]

The one thing that always gets me is how many different ships star fleet has. All the other races have just one or two but the federation seems to just make one of each ship.

[@LoreReloaded]

Right? Though to be fair they reuse parts like no ones business

[@chrissonofpear3657]

They seem to want to keep those shipyard managers rather happy. Within twenty years they can build like three classes of scout ship, and a similar number of escorts or frigates - particularly in the thirty years preceding TNG.

[@timrobinson513]

If I were making the series, I’d have the different ships for different races. Some could need higher gravity others could use different atmospheres. That would explain why the other nations (Klingons, romulans etc) only use a few different designs where as the federation uses many.

[@CaptainGeronimo]

Another really interesting video :) Hope you had a good sleep after live

[@chrissonofpear3657]

3:25 - length probably comes from the Deep Space Nine Tech Manual, that had many inconsistent length details - although I didn't mind the upsizing of the Excelsior, at least. More accurate lengths are likely on Ex Astris website.

[@antwan1357]

Hey was that Kramer as a starfleet captain? Now that I think about it more then one character from cheers made it into star trek.

[@theQuestion626]

Dr. Frasier Crane. Cosmo Kramer was from "Seinfeld". They were made by the same network though.

[@antwan1357]

Wouldn't it be crazy if Seinfields Kramer was related somehow?

[@theQuestion626]

@@antwan1357 I think that would be awesome actually. I personally would like to see Costanza as a Starfleet officer.

[@jmfowler9062]

Its my honest opinion that these types of videos are your best work. Lore/geek breakdowns would be better if they werent live/chat enabled. But i get that generates revenue for you.

[@ravoniesravenshir3926]

Have you covered the Aquarius Destroyer?

[@cropathfinder]

I am pretty sure the saladin class appeared in one of the old trek games i seem to recall it from some artwork

[@Gr3EnPi1L69]

FASA's Star Trek RPG from the late 70s early 80s. The Federation class three nacelle dreadnaught is also semi canonical and the inspiration for the Galaxy X.

[@stardude2006]

cropathfinder I like the Saladin Class

[@prion42]

Saladin and Ptolemy were in the very first Star Trek Technical Manual. Those stills on the bridge screens were copied straight from that book.

[@Gr3EnPi1L69]

Dang my memory failed. And the Federation class actually is canon. There are a lot of good ships in the FASA material.

[@Xarimus]

Loremaster , I think you forgot the SS Raven from Star Trek Voyager. The ship where Seven of Nine was assimilated on when she was a little girl. Her parents were researching the Borg.

[@MrColuber]

I hope that one day, in the next century, you'll do a video on the C57D, from the Forbidden Planet. Surely, it would make quite the video.

[@Chris_Sokol]

I have read in a few places that the Yeager Class was put together from parts of several different starship classes that had been built for their respective classes, but were hastily grouped together due to a shortage of ships for the war.

[@SlashDotDash121]

Congrats on the stream, sorry I missed the end

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

Nice cameo from Daniel from Spacedock.

[@LoreReloaded]

Hah, i wish cameo.. It would get noted he discussed it by the audience so I went ahead and included it

[@jamiebraswell5520]

His love of the hideous Yeager Class is a head scratcher.

[@RealBadGaming52]

@@jamiebraswell5520 hes been making a lot of videos latly that are ruffeling some sci fi feathers.

[@oliversmith9200]

The Daedalus Class was derived from one of the original film artist concepts for the U.S.S. Enterprise.

[@lordteapot9740]

do we ever hear anything about the christopher class that was the main earth ship during the romulan war?

[@sciguyjeff]

I do hope with you go off canon you hit up FASA ships - they did such a great job in expanding the Trek Universe.

[@MigrantThought]

4:08 what no joke about the captain being notable radio personality from Seattle?

[@LoreReloaded]

..I didnt know that.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Scrambled eggs - they're calling again?

[@OllamhDrab]

@@LoreReloaded Captain Bateman was played by the guy who played Frasier from Cheers and then that character had a spinoff show as radio shrink 'Frasier' of same name. Probably knew Trek people like Whoopi, maybe Kirstie Alley, who was also on Cheers.

[@jamesskelton3488]

He was also know to go blue fur in later years

[@MigrantThought]

Fraiser and ST are owned by the same studio there are a lot of haha your a nerd for liking ST on fraiser because of the day in age of the show and the audience that watched it. But behind the scenes the actors and writers really liked it, Niles crain plays that alien that made the fake hologram that brought the romulans into the war, fraiser played that captain, patrick stewart played a gay theater writer in the final scene that was a fun profomance. And perhaps the most daming thing I think comes from voyager the fraser voyager cross over skit kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmPLpGOlj5t9q7M

[@prion42]

heh heh. I just realized, the stand up console over Frasier's shoulder is clearly a TNG era console

[@krisgonynor689]

Again, the original "Star Trek Technical Manual", while maybe not CBS cannon scripture, showed the original Star Fleet ships, from the Constitution Class to a Battleship Class and a destroyer Class with a simple saucer main hull with one attached nacelle. Everything from deck plans to the layouts for the bridge, sickbay and crew quarters.

[@scpguy1381]

I haven’t finished this yet but I’m going to riot if no Alka-Selsior Edit: I’m rioting

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

3:08 those dominion monsters! using some new weapon they've turned a once elegant excelsior into a kitbash!

[@nagash303]

I still miss Constellation with 4 nacelles.

[@stardude2006]

You can find schematics for the Merced and Bradbury Classes online. So , someone actually cared to illustrate them. Also , I think The Federation would care if Vulcan was invaded since it's one of the founding planets of the UFP.

[@LoreReloaded]

Not in canon alas

[@stardude2006]

Lore Reloaded Refer to Memory Alpha So , it is Canon.

[@LoreReloaded]

No..memory alpha is not definitive canon. Show me where it is onscreen

[@prion42]

The ship names exist in canon but their design doesn't. I would even consider it "soft canon" as the stuff that appears on the computer terminals or written is often random or full of in-jokes. For example most dedication plaques simply list the production staff as admirals and engineers. And the Treaty of Bajor has the same paragraph copy+pasted multiple times to fill out the two pages.

[@KuDastardly]

Looks like the Freedom-class used Galaxy parts to make a Saladin-type starship.

[@starsilverinfinity]

Don't worry man, you shall not be forgotten and never go unloved

[@Exarkuun2012]

Great Vid! Am I mistaken in thinking the saladin class, or something very similar, was featured in the ancient video game Star Trek 25th Anniversary?

[@jetshot2218]

That was the USS Masada, a Ptolemy Class Tug with a strangely high registry number (longer than anything except the timeships) that gets hijacked by Elasi Pirates. Or I'm talking about the wrong game.

[@Exarkuun2012]

@@jetshot2218 I do believe you are correct.

[@jmfowler9062]

Forgot to ask* what is it about the soyuz that makes you say it may be a miranda inspired ship vs miranda variant?

[@Barbariandisks]

Memory Alpha had the Soyuz originally as a miranda variant prior to becoming a separate class

[@LoreReloaded]

Cool

[@lucofparis4819]

Thanks for the vid man. Very cool 😉

[@BrokenCurtain]

You should make a video about that ship that gets destroyed in Star Trek III.

[@sicnic6390]

Looking at the star trek encyclopedia much lol love the channel

[@LoreReloaded]

... I don't think I looked at it at all..though I relied on Memory Alpha a bit more the I usually do and other resources.. any information is within the show though so.. *shrugs* Glad you enjoy it though ;)

[@sicnic6390]

@@LoreReloaded thanks dude maybe down the line do a video on type-2 Borg ship if u haven't already

[@randybentley2633]

Is the Cheyenne class still upcoming? If not, that is another of the graveyard class of ships.

[@alanmike6883]

You gotta admit the daedalus was well. Not the most attractive starfleet classes. It made sense at the beginning of the federation but the fact the engineering corps was given three Retrofitted ships, I don't know if I would've been happy or offended. Tells me starfleet is a bit tight. 😏

[@LoreReloaded]

It was supposed to also carry nukes apparently in some canon.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Nuclear missiles make sense for early space wars, particularly with the references Balance of Terror made to that. Maybe that was how the 'spatial torpedoes' worked in Enterprise?

[@alanmike6883]

@@LoreReloaded Give starfleet engineer a nuke, they turn it into a warp core 😏 With all the ships starfleet had, couldn't they have spared the Corp a few Akiras (the cargo capacity alone) or even a few excelsiors...

[@chrissonofpear3657]

That's generally novel canon. I recall they had four Saber-class ships, and in TOS era, the Lovell, yes. But surely they could have had some other designs? FASA would have no doubt knocked up an ugly, somewhat out of scale components ship for them...

[@reeseolsen4052]

If I had to choose between Star Trek's Daedalus or the BC-304 Daedalus... well I like my Star Trek ships with their iconic saucer section so no thanks.

[@madvulcan8964]

I have an uncle who was captan on the Vulcan National Merchant Fleet. huh, I remember seeing ferengi aboard, is that normal?

[@RealBadGaming52]

No, there where trying the long con and where up to something, Confine them to quarters, go to the nearest star base and have them detained and then send them to Ferengi Outpost/vessel.

[@madvulcan8964]

@@RealBadGaming52 That would have been impossible.

[@joeljohnson3515]

Is it just me or does the UFP sound more like the UN the further along we go?

[@stardude2006]

Joel Johnson Find the Articles of Federation online It's a rewriting of the UN Charter You're correct.

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

indeed, a while ago, I stated a ng encore, and the federation is quite dumb, and not even upholding it own principles. Plus, they tried to put skirts on men, don't forget!

[@joeljohnson3515]

le malicieux, Don’t you blasphemy Earth’s greatest engineer! Scots are people too! 😉

[@stardude2006]

Joel Johnson LOL

[@warp8368]

TOS: UN in theory TNG, DS9, VOY: UN in practice

[@shanegraham2500]

Not sure if you're aware, but the original, early 1970's Star Trek Technical Manual has some good pics of the Saladin Class (classified as Destroyer/Scout ships) and The Ptolemy Class ships. Basically, the same as the computer screen shots you have - black and white prints, but much clearer.

[@LoreReloaded]

Sure, I don't have that book unfortunately and didn't specifically look for it.. I do know of the manual though and I enjoy it (Even if not canon)

[@missbish1000]

Love the yeager class, despite it's slapped together look, the ship is nimble, tough, and hard hitting and the favorite of many Starfleet captains who have crewed the ship class.

[@NashmanNash]

Ignoring the fact that it had to use reversed timelord tech...Making the exterior bigger than the interior...*laughs at that ugly strapped on maquis raider in XXL*

[@chrismulders2344]

Simply ship shape... Dang it. Made me drool on the tech manual.🤤

[@pottierkurt1702]

Mass effect universe has extensive lore on its ships and battles.

[@alistairpritchard]

Good video and nice to see you in rawrists comments

[@constantin3886]

Awesome vid

[@LoreReloaded]

Glad ya enjoy

[@ZemplinTemplar]

I like the Apollo class, including the fact that its design apparently inspired the ship designers of later series (particularly Enterprise) when they tried to reverse-engineer the appearance of Vulcan ships in the pre-Federation era. If your look at the depiction of large Vulcan ships in Enterprise, they also have their warp drives arranged into a ring shape around the main hull. I read somewhere that the rationale used by the designers for the reverse-engineering was that the Apollo class was one of the Federation projects Vulcan invested a lot of work into, so they opted for a design traditional for them. Part of the reason why 90s Trek shows showed the Apollo as popular among the Vulcan merchant fleet was then supposedly because this was something of a "local design". Granted, by the time of TOS or TNG, the pre-Federation design lineages of the various member species have long since become downplayed and muddled. While it's a bit of a retcon with the Vulcan ships, from a chronological POV, it does make an amount of sense. The Vulcans also showed at least three other design lineages of their own when you remember the large Federation warp shuttle from the TOS films, or their small ships from Enterprise and the landing ship from Enterprise and the TNG films.

[@BammerD]

When doing "Beta Cannon" ships, are you planning on reviewing the ships in the Franz Joseph Starfleet Technical Manual?

[@moseszero3281]

7:06 -- What if it had two nacells in a vertical arrangement. I am 99% sure I have seen one like that somewhere.

[@TheAudiopulse]

What would be the the oldest ship ever shown in one of the Star Trek-series? Or which would be the one stemming from the farthest distance from Earth?

[@scpguy1381]

7:10 not any more

[@Robotechsdfone6969]

What was the ambassador class nebula varent? I thought it was the appollo class.

[@barrybend7189]

Well I guess B5 is next.

[@LoreReloaded]

indeed

[@SmilingGator96]

I like the ships from B5.

[@johnilarde8440]

Smiling Gator How about BSG?

[@SmilingGator96]

@@johnilarde8440 those are good as well

[@ATHRUZEE]

The Daedalus, Olympia and Oberth class ships are my absolute favorite

[@CharlesUrban]

We need to see a Bradbury-class starship.

[@Taiko206]

Wich non-canon source are you referring to in regards to the Norway class ? Because if it's the Deep Space 9 Technical Manual that's clearly canon. It even has it's own page at the Memory Alpha wiki.

[@LoreReloaded]

It's not alpha no. And I love and use memory alpha but they arent established canon ..though they try to keep it close

[@Taiko206]

First of all it is on alpha because i checked it myself to be sure, and 2nd it's written by Rick Sternbach, Herman Zimmerman and Doug Drexler, 3 people that actively worked on several Star Trek series. That makes it to me as canon as it gets. Here's the link to Memory alpha for that page : memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine_Technical_Manual

[@LoreReloaded]

It being on Memory ALpha - doesn't make it alpha canon. It being written by Sternbach, zimmerman, and drexler.. doesn't make it canon. Now it may make it canon to you - which is fine. But that's not official canon. Official Canon, as defined by the IP holder, puts only what is on screen as canon. So when I do Alpha Canon, I'll be sticking to the official definition of it.

[@Taiko206]

Well to each his own

[@LoreReloaded]

@@Taiko206 agreed, we can disagree on this point but both agree its a fun universe ;)

[@kenjett2434]

All the many ships within the Trek Universe with so many possibilities and stories to tell. Yet the " powers that be" give us the atrocity called Discovery. These are truly sad times we are living in. But thankfully for those like you Lore Reloaded help keep the Franchise alive.

[@Ithinkiwill66]

What I saw, through one of the Trek encyclopedias, Apollo class ships looked like a Nebula...that said that the Apollo class ships were the "compact" type to that of the Ambassador class ships 😉

[@obsidian179]

You mention several kitbash starship classes, but not the New Orleans class?

[@adamlemus7585]

2,000 soldiers couldn’t hold a small city let alone a whole planate. Romulans failed before they had a chance to fail

[@TheDjbz]

If I recall correctly they were supposed to create a foothold dig in and be a massive pain in the butt. (Presumably until reinforcements could be brought) But yeah they weren't going to last long at all They'd have had better chances if they simply disappeared into the populace and did random acts of sabotage

[@josephkugel5099]

Its just bad writing, Star Trek is generally written by Leftists that have almost zero knowledge when it comes to military strategy, this is why EVERY race in the Star Trek universe has a NAVY accept the Federation, exploration cruisers only with stupid ass treaties that limit ONLY the Federation from having any tactical advantage like Cloaking devices that apparently EVERYONE else is allowed to have. If I ran Star Fleet the first thing I would do is disband the Federation Council and start cranking out top of the line warships armed with the best weapons and shields Gold Pressed Latinum can buy, And with a fleet of cloak capable Federation Battleships at the ready the Romulans would never in a million years think of sending and invasion force into Federation space, The wishy washy response the Federation currently has for every treaty violation perpetrated by the Romulan's and Klingon's would instead be met by Severe retaliatory strikes, (think Genesis Torpedoes meet war crimes) These new ships and tactics frighten the enemy so much that i think it would lead to the creation of Romulan & Klingon academy simulations similar to the Kobayashi Maru but designed to teach their cadets what happens when you attack just one Federation Battleship and all you brought was a small Task Force of 30 ships. In the best diatribe EVER in Star Trek delivered by Capt Jean Luc Picard slightly changed as I would have it written on the walls of the new Federation Naval Academy "We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They attack Federation worlds, and we fall back. Not again! The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!! And we will make them PAY for what they've done!!!!!!"

[@Judge-wi1on]

Would of had the same results as the Germans in the island of Jersey during WWII.

[@SmilingGator96]

2,000 can hold a city for quite a bit depending on its layout and their organization.

[@CavZippo]

Yes, it was bad writing. But 2,000 ground troops can do a hell of a lot of damage. Particularly if their orders at to kill and subjugate, not "pacify".

[@jacobpedersen9279]

6:04 ITS VOYAGER STRAPPED TO A MAQUIS RAIDER!!!!

[@tubeviewerX20]

The Yeager-type looks like the mutant lovechild of an Intrepid class & a Maquis raider.

[@ggsimmonds1]

Because that is exactly what it is lol. They put the saucer of a Voyager model on the hull of a Maquis Raider model. Most of the ships in this video are kitbashes

[@tubeviewerX20]

Yes, but this one just looks so obvious.

[@andrewwblanchard6037]

THE YEAGER CLASS WAS THE ORIGINAL USS VOYAGER DESIGN