Dominion Lore : Genesis of Starfleet Betraying the Federation

[@hiddentrailvideo6992]

4:52 So you HAVE been getting my threats.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

LIBERTY PRIME IS ONLINE! EARTH WILL NEVER FALL TO ALIEN INVASION!! ALERT RED CHINESE CHANGELINGS DETECTED!

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

Humans didn't evolve overcoming their base instincts, they just suppressed them and tried to weed them out. We've become Vulcan, we've followed exactly their footsteps they laid out for us since first contact right down to the suppression of certain qualities deemed problematic.

[@BioGoji-zm5ph]

So humans became less human as a result?

[@adrianvine7653]

@@BioGoji-zm5ph Just a different kind of human. The humans of Star Trek are just as human to us as humans from the 15th Century.

[@TheTobaccoman]

People are only ever as good as the world or universe in this case , allow them to be. So evolved humans is a great idea and I’m sure they mean well with it and are in fact better than we are currently. When your back is up against the wall however , we will choose the feelings for survival over proving how good we are. Fear, regression and violence , if you think survival is at stake does it matter if you’re good or bad at the end of the day ? For humans I don’t think it does. War doesn’t show who’s right it merely shows who’s left.

[@creativerealms]

The dominion clearly had experience in manipulating trust. That makes sense as they never trusted solids and they know that making solids unable to trust each other is a powerful weapon. Why destroy your enemies when they can destroy themselves.

[@tomgriffiths2622]

I was actually thinking about the quark garak exchange about root beer

[@BadwolfGamer]

You can't die Lore you have Plot Armour!

[@weldonwin]

But plot armor can be breached by the most powerful weapon in all of Fiction: The Plot Strike. This invariably fatal attack, instantly and unerringly cuts through any and all defenses to inflict mortal wounds, though interestingly, it is rarely instantly mortal, allowing the victim time for some heartfelt last words or a heroic sacrifice before they die

[@RegBeta]

@@weldonwin So basically Jadzia Dax's death scene.

[@weldonwin]

@@RegBeta Pretty much, also Damar's, since he was able to give a last order after taking about a dozen Jem'Hadar plasma rifle blasts in the chest

[@AaronTelfordUK]

I greatly appreciate your reviews and analysis of DS9. DS9 was always my favourite series of Star Trek and your input helps me consider things I never thought before which only increases my enjoyment of DS9. Thank you kindly.

[@pgwchaos]

I am reminded of a quote from Starship Troopers (the book not the movie) about how a 'standard civilian reaction' is to scream for defensive tactics. Rico compared it to a passenger grabbing the controls away from a pilot in an emergency. I do agree that Leyton was behind the attack; however the I do think the Changelings may still be involved, just not directly. They could of replaced one of his aides, and started to nudge him into the actions.

[@notmegaming9038]

Having armed guards on the street did what exactly to deter shape shifters?

[@Callus1234]

NotMeGaming and why did we never see anything about personal shields after this?

[@jeffreyskoritowski4114]

Nothing, but it made the civilians feel better.

[@weldonwin]

Phaser rifles can be used to perform sweeps that force changeling back into their original forms and security personnel on the ground can perform blood tests to show that someone isn't a changeling in disguise

[@notmegaming9038]

@@weldonwin in a restricted area sure but I dont think civilians would enjoy getting phasered every 3 blocks to get a burger

[@notmegaming9038]

@@Callus1234 yea

[@dying101666]

I just love your sarcasm.

[@SmilingGator96]

I agree with the Admiral's intentions of building up, but I disagree with his methods. He broke his oath and made every officer who sided with him break their oaths. What he should've done is get a majority of admirals to agree with him and approach the president with a unified voice asking for a build up. Heck, he didn't even need a majority. He could've gone with a good size group.

[@pippleyfisching9214]

Hey man, great vid, great series. Just wanna mention regarding out that point you made with DS9 being a "military installation" when the President stated such to Sisko. He could be calling it that because as a Bajoran installation, operated in part by the Bajoran military, it may actually be considered a Bajoran military installation

[@stangundam01]

one of the thing with ds9 that I've noticed is that they seemed to have an understanding of not only what was but also insight into some of the things that are happening now

[@DreamskyDance]

war..war never changes..

[@VelvetCondoms]

Perhaps the Dominion was able to develop cloaks that worked near the wormhole due to demand. There are two parties with significant numbers of cloaked vessels: the Romulans and Klingons. Both parties would have been more concerned with improving cloaks to evade detection within normal operation. * The Romulans would want to avoid Starfleet detection, so that would have been the primary concern; rather than developing cloaks that required additional hardware to work in a single spot smaller than the Vatican, since the wormhole is the only known one of its type. We know they were focused on avoiding Starfleet detection, because we saw in Nemesis that such cloaks had been developed. * As part of Bajor's affiliation with the Federation and the Federation/Klingon alliance, the Klingons and Bajorans were defacto allies; so the Klingons would have no need to cloak near the wormhole, so such an ability would be useless to the Klingons. Neither power had large incentive to figure out how to cloak within the wormhole. But for the Dominion, the wormhole was a strategic chokepoint that would make or break their plans, so such technology would be extremely valuable.

[@mrbojangles8133]

it would make an interesting backdrop for a show

[@KingOfLesbia]

I hope Picard or another future series will have the Dominion return in some form or another I wish we could see more of the day to day gamma quadrant and see if odo made any lasting changes with how the dominion views solids

[@angelicspectra]

Really digging the new intro and outro effects!

[@Skybaby79]

9:00 Nice 👌

[@OlafoWaffle]

Large scale attacks create fear, but quite attacks generate panic and terror. The story line can be a allegory to the Gulf of Tokin attack. A changing may have very well be in the room, but it was Adm. Leyton that ordered the attack.

[@Bojack727]

I think it was the writers intent that the Antwerp bombing was carried out by the changelings. And while I agree it makes sense that it was the work of Admiral Leighton's people, the only thing that works against this (for me) in the vanishing vase in the corner, which I bring up because I don't think the writers knew that much about photo/video manipulation in the mid-1990s and we do now.

[@richardwalker2881]

Reminds of the galactic federation segments of the metroid manga, which has a similar government to the federation, which is up against a horrifying threat

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

I love that I seem to be the only one who figured out how to catch Changlings. Smell. Changelings don't smell. They don't secrete odors through body odor because they don't sweat. Because they don't eat or drink they don't have urine, produce gas, shit, or have bad breath. Because they don't breed like mammals they don't produce pheromones. And because they don't actually breathe or have a scent sector in their brains, they cannot smell anything. A changeling is a person who doesn't smell like anything. Starfleet just needed to never turn on their AC again. They didn't need bloodletting, they needed spoons to lick.

[@ExpLizard]

How did the dominion get the stealth tech from the romulans when romulan vessels get completely destroyed by a singularity ?

[@robertagu5533]

Seems Starfleet watched everyone else in the galaxy make stupid, almost self destructive mistakes... an then turn around and employ the Domino Strategy... an just follow suit instead of just doing things differently and never fall into the trap

[@aspetty]

Don't always agree but I love your dry humor about the discourse and think your arguments are fascinating

[@lonnyyoung4285]

I think Section 31 caused my KZbin app to quit when you were talking about Sisco's father. Although, I did have to rewatch the ads, so maybe it was Lore.

[@derrickbonsell]

Dude sabotages Earth's power supply, which could kill millions. I wouldn't put an attack on a conference outside of his will.

[@GarrisonHat]

3:58 Yeah, Leyton already did know how to fake a blood test on Sisko, and for all we know, he could've doctored the footage of the Antwerp Conference and no one really died. ;)

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Wouldn't that Quark quote substantiate the nurture argument as it pertains to the effects of external factors thus further proving your point?

[@lancep2002]

Why did they need human troops on the street? Put up stealth camera drones and beam explosives to the changelings location

[@ryanconrad2786]

Who was in charge of security at the conference? Governments are more likely to blame faulty security than the attackers themselves...at the very least they would likely recall their diplomats to get them out of harms way.

[@toddfraser3353]

While DS9 Aired Before 9/11. I was working as a consultant and doing some business in NYC a few week after the Attack. There were a bunch of stupid half cocked ineffective security measures. Such as having to check in and out on the building on the 3rd floor. Not by the entrance. While they had guards there you could had just taken the elevator to any floor, and go down to the first to leave. It added hassle but no real protection. The problem with threats where we actually to have time to sit down and make a good plan, we emotionally feel like it is an active event thus we make rush and snap decisions which not all of them are good.

[@danielshottopics8187]

If people ask why don't we see the KlingOrcs or the TOS Klingons in TNG DS9 Voyager and Movies we can just say this and this is how I would write it, There was a Klingon Civil War between the TOS Klingons Discovery Klingons and Bumpy head Klingons we see in DS9. So somewhere between TOS and TNG There was a massive Civil War/ Nuclear War on Kronos and the DS9 Klingons committed genocide Killing the Discovery Klingons/KlingOrcs and the TOS Klingons.

[@storyseekeer828]

Hey lore, what do you think would happen if Home Front and Paradise Lost resulted in a Federation Civil war. What worlds,species, important characters would support Layto's government (the Loyalist) or those who oppese him (the insurrgents/rebels). Would the other governmemts stay out of it, or would some support one side or another, I would like see what the Klingons and the Romulans would make of it. How would the Dominion take advantage of the Federation Civil war. Finally what would be consequences of the war on the Federation, and the rest of the galaxy at large.

[@vimb1717]

Anyone else reminded of 9/11 with all the military buildup and even “screenings” (TSA)?

[@MrSticklife]

Man, I seriously l love this series. Please don't stop any time soon!

[@SirPeasant]

I would love to see more and more information about this unraveling of starfleet.

[@hanzo8120]

Is there a chance that one day a HD Remaster Blu-ray Collection will come out with improved and new special effects and new added scenes especially the ship combats and fleet battles (all cgi ofc)? Would gladly see how a squad of Akiras and Defiand Class Ships rip through Jem`Hadar lines and wreak havoc. That would be soooo great!! Dear Santa....

[@AustNerevar]

I never understood why Sisko went back to the TNG uniform for this episode.

[@That80sGuy1972]

Star Trek: DS9: Ahead of the current USA political narrative by 2 decades, relatively speaking... and far more rational with far less propaganda (none for the viewers, lots for their federation). Two of my friends each owe me a buck, one owes me a hundred. DS9 was and is always the perfect compliment to TNG.

[@springtrapstarwar5557]

If I were leader of the enemy faction of the Federation I would have just get ready my fleets and my soldiers to attack immediately cuz it's defense less and the prime target.

[@katakisLives]

We see how poor Earths defenses are when the Breen attack starfleet headquarters

[@kennethhommel6756]

I know this video is about a year old so I don’t expect a response, but when did they say a cloaked ship couldn’t travel through the wormhole? The Defiant was restricted to using its cloaking device only in the Gama quadrant, as for the Romulan and Cardassian Fleet that was just to show where the fleet was at.

[@Phoenixesper1]

Actually the confrence being attacked was he perfect place to strike. First off killing the president or attacking starfleet head quarters would have done the exact opposite the dominion wanted, and that is galvanizing the federation into open war against the dominion and it VERY likely would have also brought gowron to his senses, that if the dominion were willing to do something that even the klingons dared not do in war, then it might be better to reactivate the kitamoer accords, and this might have made gowron so paranoid that the martok changling may have been exposed. On top of that remember the romulans were only treated with the dominion because they really had not done anything to warrant fear in the empire elites... killing the president of the federation again would have sent the message that they TOO were not safe. regardless of being enemies, all 3 powers did respect the concept of the unspoken rule.... you don't kill the heads of state in that fashion. With that all said the confrence sent the message of fear to the federation AND it also pissed of the romulans that star fleets security was so weak and feeble that they could not be trusted to ensure their own let alone romulan interests, and so the romulans recoiled back into themselves. The dominions sole intent wasn't destroying the federation.... it was making them destroy themselves.... and really... they did suceed when you think about it.

[@The_Ulster_Inquisition.]

what is the tune playing in the back round?

[@owlwaifu4949]

The dominion were perfect gameplayers Too bad they couldn't fight the alpha quadrant in a prolonged conflict

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, the fact it was a prolonged fight is what hurt them.

[@Meinfuhrerhoffman]

owl waifu I don’t think that’s quite accurate. The dominion could have fought the alpha quadrant if they had access to the wormhole. If the prophets weren’t on Sisko’s side, the dominion probably would have won. They had a lot more shipyards and strategic depth in their gamma quadrant territory.

[@owlwaifu4949]

@@LoreReloaded they are like the germans

[@owlwaifu4949]

@@Meinfuhrerhoffman I still have a question then If they can make factories of clones and such Why is it that they can't produce starships? Like seriously why do they need reinforcements when they could just build reinforcements?

[@Meinfuhrerhoffman]

owl waifu Resources. They were constrained to the resources that the Cardassian Union essentially had and what resources they could conquer during their opening offensives. Your analogy that they were like Germany is apt. The cardassian Union was lacking greatly in resources which was part of the reason they annexed and strip-mined Bajor. That problem hadn’t gotten much better by the time the dominion war rolled around. I can’t imagine that growing Jem h’dar soldiers would be as resource intensive as building hundreds-thousands of starships.

[@theonlymatthew.l]

I'm surprised you didn't float the possibility that Section 31 was behind the bombing of the Romulan-Federation diplomatic meeting

[@CaptainSovereign]

What if the domonium ships before they arrive to the wormhole decloaked and then activate some kind of holographic and jamming cloak???

[@andromeda5414]

Earth is the federation capitol, it is beyond foolish not to have a fleet protecting the Sol System.

[@tba113]

I always figured that indicated Starfleet numbered hundreds of (capital) ships, not tens of thousands. They almost never do fleet actions in general: even the 'Brown Alert' assembly for the Battle of Wolf 359, the entire combined might of the Federation able to respond to an end-of-the-world invading threat was... Forty ships. Really? And the Mars Defense Line... Three armed drones. Yeah, Starfleet is _not_ a big flotilla.

[@andromeda5414]

@@tba113 From what I understand they have ships numbering in the thousands. In the 23rd century alone they had at least 7000 active Starfleet vessels. It just seems silly to leave the heart of federation space with such meager defenses. I would have at least a fleet of 100-500 starships protecting Sol at all times. If you take out earth you cripple the federation.

[@andromeda5414]

Also the fleet sent to take back deep space nine numbered in the hundreds. And that was just one fleet.

[@BuckFutterd]

If your correct that the federation had 7,000 active starfleet vessels (and believe me that ain't shit compared to the amount of territory just in the federation borders with stars and star systems numbering in the tens of millions), many of those ships where other type of ships and not Galaxy glass or Defiant or other ships with phasers and such. Two, the reason why their may have not been a federation fleet at the seat of the federation is one quite obvious. Other members of the federations (which number over 400 member civilizations) would question why are the other civilizations and members supporting a fleet to protect Human homeworld which happens to have the federation seat on it and leave the other 400 not having the same protection? Lets be honest, besides the few colonies that humans from earth sent out pre-federation. The rest of the federation or 99 percent of them are alien. To be frank those starships that we like to see should have so many aliens on board that it would be rare to see a human manning a station on those ships much less being a captain. So I think there was alot of deals that where done that weren't federation like if you know what I mean. Like the other members demanded that the federation ships would be out from earth to defend and also aid other members. This would placate the other member leaving the federation seeing that the humans are getting the better end of the deal. Two and this is racists, they probably agreed that humans would be the majority on the crews of these ships. They never go into why this and what I said before isn't so.

[@andromeda5414]

@@BuckFutterd remember that 7000 figure was during the mid 23rd century it no doubt increased exponentially in the intervening century.

[@LoneWulfHunter]

Coincidence that I am re-running DS9.. at the last seasons now.

[@thetraveler8990]

Longer videos please

[@chrismulders2344]

Perhaps it does make sense to attack low level diplomats to scare the crap out of the higher-ups. Hence the fear factor for the alpha quadrant. It's subtle, but effective. *A measured response would be more effective than knee jerk reaction.

[@andrewwblanchard6037]

IMAGINE IF ADMIRAL LAYTON HAD SUCCEEDED HE WOULD'VE COLLAPSED THE WORMHOLE THE DOMINION THREAT WOULD'VE BEEN STOPPED

[@jamiengo2343]

ANDREW KNIGHT like using caps locks do you?

[@spaceclaw1958]

imagine not typing like an idiot.

[@sypherthe297th2]

Well fascism is always the answer obviously.

[@smoothtutable]

When you going to a video about Star Trek space docks?

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

what threats? Tal'shiar? Section 31? Cylon Cyberbullies?

[@BlueBoxRevan]

I must point out right here and now, this is what good story telling is folks! The good guys wasn't evil, masaginst or wicked or STD. They were just really stupid. But human stupid. Relatable. Beat that modern day story writers! Also remember, the Changlings, or at least some, could travel through space. Biologically.

[@Amyrayanne]

I love your voice!

[@LoreReloaded]

Thanks! I love your voice!.. Wait what!?

[@Amyrayanne]

@@LoreReloaded You just sound very professional now days its crazy how good you are getting at this =)

[@Paul-A01]

6:20 Evolved humans you say? Who won the Eugenics wars again?

[@christenorio9555]

What if Voyager plotted the coordinates for the gamma quadrant?

[@casbot71]

I have a theory that humans in Star Trek _subconciously keep aliens around_ them to *force themselves to live up to the standards* they have set. We see humans generally only go bad (or typical human) when they are in a monospecies group, the best example of which is the Equinox (what if they had had the equivalent of T'pol and Phlox aboard, would they have still done the experiments?) Perhaps there is a subconscious communication or reinforcement system where humans will sink to the lowest common denominator in a human only group, because of behavioral signals. But when aliens are in the group they don't get sucked into the human group think and humans _instinctively don't want to let the side down_ in front of a non human. And instead try to rise to the standards preached. Like the difference between _the Lads_ and a mixed gender group. It does seem that every Starfleet ship, even the first Enterprise, goes out of it's way to have at least a token alien presence, perhaps there were alien crew amongst the Equinox and they were killed in action which allowed the remaining humans to degrade and "regress". The same idea sort of goes for the siege of AR-558. In such a situation if there were aliens present long term, not visiting and stuck, would there be any behavioral differences? And if not would the aliens get nervous about their human compatriots attitudes. Imagine a Klingon warrior going on about the glory of battle only to be met by thousand yard stares and humans casually sitting around watching wounded enemies slowly bleed out and die while they ate and talked. Then desecrating bodies with the encouragement of the group. And it even goes on in the Kelvin timeline with the events of Star Trek: Beyond. Although the rogue MACO crew occurred before the timeline split, so there are still out there but apparently never caused a problem in the prime timeline. Humans *act enlightened* out of shame for who they really are deep down inside.

[@3haljordan]

Layton had to be Section 31

[@burgerking2242]

Probbily cant spell dont judge me the best trek channel on youtube

[@SirAroace]

And this is why the Federation did not what Starfleet to be classed/treated as a military, because once you start calling yourself a army you start acting like a army and armys, by their nature, are authoritarian.

[@norcalprepper7313]

I for one welcome our new dominion overlords

[@trekjudas]

Crap! that's good! I wish I said it!

[@billtree52]

Hey, your music is great and all, but probably need to turn it down in the mix. Towards the end of the video I had a really hard time hearing you because while you were talking a big epic vocalizing track was playing and nearly drowning you out.

[@LoreReloaded]

Huh.. can you time stamp? I try to watch that closely

[@1stgradevernacular925]

It might be time to watch DS9 again. Well, maybe not the first season.

[@GoldenMoonOfDeltaCommentaries]

I heard Tholians so Tholian section 31 conspiracy time: I could see section 31 being involved with the conference more as a way more to pull the Tholians in considering the Tholian Web tech might be a great game changer for when war broke out with the Dominion as it could be used to hinder the Dominion's ships ability to fight and would more than likely be some of the only tech that the Dominion has never really encountered in its 2000+ year history considering that they could detect cloaked ships they mostly had encountered a race in the gamma quadrant who had the tech or just straight up stole the information about cloaking tech from the Romulans or Klingons, so the Romulans would only really be bringing more ships to the tabel if a war broke out, and the Tholians being a species that lives at around 404 °F I dont think they would be easy to infiltrate for a changeling though they might we just haven't seen it yet.

[@BladeValant546]

So many defeatist rhetoric here in the comments. I enjoy your opposing view on this Lore, and I think people are a misunderstanding. Humans are more evolved they think before act best they can. But they still flawed and not a "mary sue" organization. I think humans have nature but as sentient beings, we can choose not to do it. Having said that, I felt they still did a better job beyond narrative things. Also, I did say watching DS9 they can learn a little bit about war. The thing about star trek it is very eurocentric. So to me trek suffers from cultural hegemony the lack of different countries. We are united and dont in fight as much as we used to. But I Think we would be more prepared regardless. I think the sociology of this is important to note when we say more evolved too. The humans in trek are more an ideal, I Think we should be more rational and less tribal the best we can. However, we also have to make sure we do not grow complacent or worse blind. This is why DS9 was so good to me, it really shined a light that these were humans that came from US but they are still better than WE are, just they are still humans. As for Quark, I love/hate that statement.

[@kingfire45]

So the threats worked then.

[@robertfarrell4972]

Fun fact, Robert foxworth, who plays admiral leyton in these episodes was scheduled to also appear in the Babylon 5 episode severed dreams at around the same time. Apparently his agent double booked him. So he dosent appear in b5 and is killed off screen.

[@hahiwmi]

Ds9 is a civilian and military and trade hub

[@spartancanuck]

Utopia Planetia is on Mars, not Earth.

[@LoreReloaded]

Spacedock is in space not earth as well

[@spartancanuck]

Yes. Earth Spacedock and Utopia Planetia Fleet Yards are different facilities around different planets, which is why it seemed odd that you mentioned Utopia Planetia with regards to a bunch of stuff to do with Earth.

[@KingOfLesbia]

It's less than a hop skip and jump from earth when you have warp drive it would make sense that if earth was attacked Mars would be attacked as well particularly an orbiting shipyard that could be destroyed from space Mars and Earth are lntergally linked

[@TAZ_Joshua_Cather_1701_E]

no our government is CORPORATE owned not civilian run

[@TAZ_Joshua_Cather_1701_E]

that is why we have a CORPORATE ASSHOLE as a president

[@frictionRx5]

why would this channel get threats?

[@LoreReloaded]

People are silly

[@-SRM-]

Gotta get past that 10 minute mark eh Lore?

[@LoreReloaded]

My videos are what they are..funny you dont notice how a majority of them arent 10 minutes..

[@-SRM-]

@@LoreReloaded Hmm. Touche Lore... Touche.

[@cmskinner3682]

No comm.... commercial the video starts again rotfl

[@akira84729]

Please tell me that last bit was sarcastic. The patriot act literally exists my guy.

[@aspire4more]

(Kicks door open) IM LATE, WHERES MY NOTIFICATION.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Who's that stupid to threaten you SMH crazy

[@LoreReloaded]

Its the internet man..happens more than ya think

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Lore Reloaded I know that I have had people tell me they are going to kill me but I'm not sure what those nutcase think we'll be safe man

[@roysutherland9729]

DS9 ended BEFORE 9/11.

[@joecoolmccall]

Honestly, and I know I will get a lot of flack for this, but...I don't really see the Dominion as being "scary". They are the least compelling or interesting major villain in Star Trek history. Efficient? Yes. Deadly? Yes. But...more annoying than scary.

[@Dave102693]

How?

[@joecoolmccall]

@@Dave102693 the Founders are aloof and seem to care more about the quasi-orgy like "Link" than the governing of thier empire, the Vorta are more smug than intimidating...and the Jem'Hadar, while formanable fighters, and some have a sense of honor and respect great warriors, are in some ways just glorified drug addicts. They are extremely deadly and powerful- but that doesn't always mean compelling.

[@joecoolmccall]

@@Dave102693 I'm aware I have many contrarian or unpopular opinions concerning Trek lol I do very much enjoy the series though from "The Cage" in TOS, up to Disovery... :)

[@garygood6804]

thumb down. double advertisement in the middle.

[@vlado1730]

meta themes.

[@DocWolph]

You use the term "evolved" in regards to humans, not humanity. This is functionally inaccurate. the correct term should be "matured", having put away most of Humanity's lesser impulses and drives.Or relegating them to little more than decoration rather than actual modes of operation. "When I was a child I spoke as a child and did as a child does. Now that I am grown I put away childish things." I'm not sure you are wrong to use the term "evolved", but it seems awkwardly and overly ambitious. After all, Humans in Star Trek stridently have NO superpowers of abilities indicative of being more evolved.

[@LoreReloaded]

Your argument is with the dialogue of trek..not me :p

[@DocWolph]

@@LoreReloaded Fair enough. Still the word "evolved" is [not a good choice] and may be fully symptomatic of Star Trek's flaws in their philosophy and logic.

[@UltrEgoVegeta]

Leaders who dont act out of fear? Have you looked at the democratic party in america latley?

[@andrewwblanchard6037]

----------------- THE WARNING SIGNS OF NAZISM 1st : DECLARING THE REAL PRESS AND MEDIA ARE THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE 2nd : PUBLICLY DECLARING YOU CAN'T BE WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING AND THAT NO ONE CAN PROVE YOU WRONG 3rd : PUBLICLY STATING THAT THE POLICE THE MILITARY ARMED MILITIA - CIVILIANS WILL DEFEND YOU FROM BEING REMOVED FROM POWER BY THREATENING VIOLENCE AGAINST YOUR OWN CITIZENS 4th : PUBLICLY DEMANDING A LIST OF YOUR SUPPORTERS AND ENEMIES 5th : DECLARING A FAKE NATIONAL EMERGENCY TO ILLEGALLY SEIZE POWER FROM A DULY ELECTED DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT #6 : ROUNDING UP PEOPLE YOU DON'T WANT IN YOUR IDEALIZED COUNTRY AND PUTTING THEM INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS #7 : GIVING ALL OF THE MONEY TO THE TOP 10% AND CUTTING FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT TO LIVE AND SURVIVE --------------------

[@SovietSeething]

All the "GoOd ThInG ItS NoT lIkE ThAt In tEsL Life" remarks you make are kinda tiresome. We get it. Stop rubbing our noses in it. We watch sci fi to escape real life. It's not clever its cringe.

[@zealotmaster1]

the dominion ran around yelling boo and Starfleet jumped is all