Losing The Fifty - Early 1.4 Discussion -

[@jasonco2]

It might be copium, but I actually think they'll use Miyabi as the new, established, ceiling. Only other Void Hunters will be allowed to have numbers like hers and, with the ceiling now established, it may actually be easier for them to prevent powercreep because there is a line in the sand. I don't think it's a coincidence that the new mode they released alongside of Miyabi requires three teams and no repeat agents. "Just use Miyabi, she's better" isn't going to be a strong argument against pulling a fun new unit when the endgame modes require two or more teams. Two years from now, when we have three Void Hunters, maybe the power level will increase. But unlike HSR or Genshin, I think the ZZZ devs have proven they're willing to listen and (I hope!) they'll be smarter about powercreep. I'm sure missteps will happen, but my hope is that the sheer AUDACITY of Miyabi's power is actually intentional. Heck, they've even marked her profile with "Void Hunter" in a way they simply don't do with Archons or Emanators. But, who knows? Time will tell.

[@Voxet1]

I hope your right 🙏

[@kiwee4577]

THIS! I really hope that if they really want to be lore accurate, then the only ones capable of powercreeping her HAS to be a fellow Void Hunter regardless of the type and element

[@spice2688]

I had a dream that damage of the next DPS (Evelyn) has damage more comparable to the other units in the game rather than Miyabi. So if that dream comes true you may be right.

[@AngelTyraelGM]

was about to say something similar, but your comment explains it better well done :}, i can also add to it, if Miyabi was the new normal, why is Harumasa around Ellen/Zhu yuan lvl, sure he is "free" but hes banner and weapon clearly say hes premium, but ya never know

[@mawomawomawo]

Judging by other hoyo games, that doesn't last long when it comes to lore justifications for power ceilings.

[@mf2854]

Either talk about the leaks or don't. Dressing them up as some sort of original thought you came up with is corny.

[@omnie22]

if I had to guess they're probably worried about addressing them directly because they're hoyo partners, and don't wanna upset them

[@firepingu150xd7]

literally tho 😂 the amount of times i've seen people "theorize" about the game and claim to not look at em when it's obv is hilarious

[@birdbro6776]

Kettei fishing SO HARD for a reason to diss Miyabi. I'm all for arguing for skill expression but to say she's boring is wild! And that whole "just get more mindscapes" comment. Brother if you don't get outta here with that whale talk! 🤣

[@tactaillike]

Miyabi + yanagi feels great to play, but i'd much rather play yanagi + burnice rather than miyabi + burnice... miyabi on her own feels kinda meh even if it does a lot of damage i wonder how people will feel about her gp once the hype dies down, especially for those who don't have Yanagi as well

[@sirrah2458]

@@tactaillike Try playing all 3 together. It's the most fun I've had in the game.

[@gormleypeach5809]

Kettei comparing his dislikes to HC is so bad lol HC's likes stuff like juggling, which is completely pointless in game but takes skill and most people can't do it. Haven't seen Kettei display that same skill level at all, he plays Lighter like any other casual.

[@tactaillike]

@@sirrah2458 It really is

[@Tiefyria]

Note: sorry that its long 😭 ​@@tactaillike I dont have Yanagi or Burnice and think that ive already moved on from the hype so if u dont mind, i can share my thoughts on her GP. Personally not having Yanagi for my Miyabi hasnt been an issue for me, Ligher + Lucy + Rocketboo has been good enough in building up Burn to get rid of Frostfire and triggering disorders. But i can completely understand if people say they arent as thrilled of her GP if they dont own Yanagi or Burnice, the downtime for her main sources of dmg is very noticeable. But even with these possible issues, im still enjoying her GP, Lighter + Lucy buffs her by a lot which still lets her do a decent amount of dmg during her downtimes. From my battles, Frostburn usually trigger during downtimes so that helps too. I have tried Miyabi+Yanagi+Ceaser in the new Hollow Zero mode and ngl, i kinda didnt like it. Yes it allows miyabi to have less downtime but the team just doesnt click for me. I dont have issues playing with Miyabi or Yanagi, its just that i have a hard time juggling them in a quickswap team. Seperately, i can play them decently but if they r on the same team, i have problems. Im just not used to quickswap teams and im too used to hypercarry teams. But still would recommend Miyabi+Yanagi+Ceaser cause that is one her best teams and allows her to do her LVL3 CA more often. I also tried Miyabi+Grace+Rina, its a decent team but i only use grace to be my disorder triggerer then just switch back to miyabi

[@Aerhelios]

I was surprised by how simple Miyabi was but the actual fun/ interesting stuff with her is swapping to others while cashing out her damage tbh

[@JoIhnnyRage]

It’s crazy he’s saying she’s not fun because I think she’s the most fun character in the game with so many synergies and a heavy emphasis on a fun quickswap playstyle. That long amazing animation is the perfect opportunity to have 2 characters on the field at the same time going insane.

[@JoIhnnyRage]

the game gives you a fun miyabi yanagi asaba team to play in the story mode and it is very fun to min max the 3 of them.

[@G4TWA]

i think he's talking about the more gameplay side of things? there's little to no mechanical involvement in her gameplay, which is understandably boring to some.

[@zeiphie]

@@G4TWA But....quick swapping and parry windows...are gamplay with mechanical involvment??? (she also has two dashes)

[@JoIhnnyRage]

@ noones playing zzz for mechanical skill. Go play rocket league.

[@sandwichxiii]

It kinda sounded like he didn't know about quickswap since he said you have to hold the button the whole time

[@Aktzin]

I kinda want to push back against Kettei's claim of Miyabi having no skill expression. I may be thinking of this differently than he is, but I believe the skill expression for Zenless comes from how you manage your loadout, team, and energy rather than how much "hidden tech" there is to a character. I try to avoid following online guides for how to build characters because, to me, it's more fun to figure out on my own how to put together the right loadout and rotation to maximize my team's synergy. Sure, you *can* spam and hold down the enhanced basic for Miyabi to win, but there's so much room to improve her gameplay loop beyond this. It inadvertently became a fun challenge for me to figure out how to use my other agents to further enable her dominance. I managed to greatly lower my overall time in a few Shiyu stages by quickswapping Grace so rapidly, she ended up getting just as many Disorders as Yanagi.

[@urbanmentalterrorist]

I’m glad someone said this I was thinking the same thing.

[@jakubbarczyk4310]

Kettei seems to not realise both raiden and Ayato are drivers, not dpses, but k situation in genshin aint bad, you can clear with 4 stars, even shitty ones like dori, the real scary future would be hsr where its 1 year in and you will not use your old units and they will struggle.

[@wilsonarenas7583]

As ALG said, Miyabi's charged attack is to switch into another character to make the most damage possible as a team, for example I use Lycaon and Harumasa with her and when there are trapsin the field I change to Harumasa if not I change to Lycaon

[@ethericdezigns1528]

YEAH...but most new fans like to push Miyabi as a solo artist, yet she has the perfect tag mechanic. I get that she does big damage and does it fast, but she is a lot more fun for with tag team gameplay.

[@shifty6532]

The take about being locked into an animation after doing her charged attack and lacking skill expression is so horrendous. Anyone who knows how to play Miyabi correctly would know why. It was clear ALG actually plays the character

[@QMS9224]

Right the whole point is that you get to see this cool animation and dmg numbers, while also swapping and continuing the rotation. She is not a stagnant on field unit, she’s a flexible fluid unit. Tbh I’m so glad they made her not an on fielder, and more of a swap-burst dps she’s so much more fun to play

[@Notmyname423]

Does the first guy not know you can switch to another character during her animation for the charge attack? Does he play the game?

[@TonyReals]

Exactly, no need to watch Miyabi's charge attack animation. And if dude gets bored watching ultimate animations, build Rina, Nicole, or Burnice who all allow swapping during their ult

[@zeiphie]

I dunno bout yalls but I call cap on Ketei's opinion on miyabi. Like just say it like it is bro. Dude C6'd Lighter so now has no resources and is now feeling insane fomo and is left with no other option but to cope. Miyabi has so much room to mature as a character going forward once the game catches up to her insane damage. Miyabi is objectively no less complex in her execution than any other character. She is rather more executionly complex than MOST. She has as said two parry timings on her 3rd and 5th basic attack. As well I hope no one is just sitting their watching her fully animate her fully charged EX. Her 1st and 2 stage EX arguably has utility as well but the current state of the game makes them redundant. You quick swap and either build frostfall stack or apply DoT(if you have it) in that window. It's just that she's so absurdly powerful you don't need any degree of skill to use her effectively (for now).

[@KetteiThe7th_]

lol I could m6 miyabi right now if I wanted too

[@zeiphie]

@@KetteiThe7th_ Like sure, anyone can M6 if they dumped enough money into the game but that ain't my point brother. I thought your argument is weak not that you couldn't make a dubious financial decision to prove a point.

[@ramsical]

also find miyabi boring and agreed with kettei…it’s rlly weird that ppl are going this crazy over an opinion

[@zeiphie]

@@ramsical Like idc about the opinion man >w> have your opinion it's w/e it was argued poorly and in a way that felt disingenuous is my issue at least. Idk if that's be being 'crazy' or what but that's my opinion. (I also find it weird rather than confronting the argument he's just flexing how much disposable income he has...)

[@MagmaSpacer]

@@zeiphieYeah that was the only part he had a comeback for. XD

[@TonyReals]

zzz gameplay focuses on rotations. Miyabi allows for some fun rotations and team play

[@Sketch_MGetch]

Kettei loves being a contrarian lmao.

[@zeiphie]

Dunno bout you mate but I'm starting to find it a bit grating... It'd be one thing if his arguments were good but I'm really not seeing how you can claim, 'Miyabi so boring' while he's over there with C6 lighter who arguably about the same level or less complexity than Miyabi. Also criticising her game plan as just 'mashing' just sounds like a played out argument for all ZZZ 😅.

[@Natespile]

Miyabi like almost every agent has a level of complexity but there is literally no reason to play her that way when you can just mash buttons and parry attacks whilst dealing insane damage. You just mash buttons until you have enough energy for ex, enough decibels for ult or enough stacks to do CBA 3.

[@ramsical]

@@zeiphie it’s his opinion wtf? i also find her boring and that’s okay the world will keep spinning

[@alucard7889]

@@ramsicalgacha communities are like that. You can’t have an opinion outside the popular opinion or they’ll cry. Not saying you can’t disagree with others opinions but the way they cry and got to “prove” your opinion is wrong is something else😅

[@zeiphie]

@@ramsical Sorry, covering up a bad argument by saying it's 'just my opinion' is lazy. And it's ok to do in YT comments but less ok to do in a Podcast you expect people to stick around for. Just my opinion.

[@ProQuad92]

I can agree Miyabi on her own feels simple to use, but using her with the whole team felt way more engaging to me than any other until now... I use her with Yanagi and Rina/Caesar and keeping track of buffs, fallen frosts, anomalies and disorders was overwhelming at first granted I'm more of a casual player but really fun and engaging once I got the hang of it, so much so I keep redoing shit I already completed, just for fun (I usually just get the tapes and get out), I even wanted to train rotations and get a little sweaty with her teams, which is unusual for me too

[@Bair_Rest]

I think Kettei and HC Casuals disappointment for Miyabi stems from predisposed expectations they have not being met. My issue with it is that it’s not entirely their fault, it’s ZZZs for being a gacha game that needs to retain players and also, from my observation, a shift in approach in gameplay. It’s not entirely unreasonable to expect Miyabi to have a ton of player expression in her gameplay in her kit since ZZZ is a hack and slash and Miyabi is popularly compared to Vergil from DMC. However, it looks like Hoyo was aiming to make her easier to play with her team synergies making up most of her complexity instead. I’d argue that a large aspect ZZZs gameplay has been less of individual characters kits and more of character synergies, and with the addition of individual agent decibel levels the game as a whole will be focusing much more on that moving forward. On top of this, since launch there are CCs like HC Casual who hyperfocus on juggle combos who continue to voice their grievances about the overall lack of player expression as well. I remember early on before the game officially released a lot of people clinged onto a quote from one of the dev talks, saying how they wanted ZZZ gameplay to be reminiscent of fighting games which got some FGC folks excited. While there are elements of that there such as the juggling HC Casual enjoys, not only is it suboptimal in the game it is outright not applicable to endgame bosses. The best middle ground are the agents whose kits contain directional inputs like Lighters or Harumasa but they are very few and far between. Ultimately while I understand their disappointment I think if they want to continue to enjoy the game they have to check their expectations with the game moving forward. Version 1.4 is the games “new slate” so all we can do is wait and see how the new agents look in the future. I’m also hoping they lean more towards more involved gameplay like Harumasa but we’ll see.

[@zeiphie]

On one hand I get that it takes two hands to shake hands. And that feeling disappointed about something is a result of (usually) poor communication one way or another. But on the other I gotta ask...why is it the Game's fault for not living up to the expectations of players whose expectations of it is to essentially be another game entirely? ZZZ may have been inspired by games in other genres but ever since launch it has been what the game continues to be, in broad terms. It's changed in many ways but its' still the same accessible action/combat-based character gacha it always was, and presumably will continue to be. I applaud you wanting to be empathetic about it but it's a bit apples and oranges is it not? A bit of a weird analogy but fallow with me here; that thinking an apple will turn into an orange just because the apple admire the oranges' citrus sourness is kind of an absurd notion no? ZZZ will continue to be ZZZ, by this point if it's not what you want from it, it likely never will be. It's not like the game has duped these people into think it's anything else. So why is the blame so squarely on the game?

[@Boulder7685]

@@zeiphie I think the better comparison would be to say that someone thought they were sold an orange seed, but after it grew they realized it was a lemon tree. I don’t know the specific history of what was officially stated pre-launch and which players heard what about the game, but it sounds like everyone in the video still likes the game plenty well. It just so happens that the specific flavor profile they were sold on wasn’t the specific flavor profile that grew out of it.

[@zeiphie]

@@Boulder7685 That seems a fair enough assessment. I wanna be clear though in expressing that it wasn't intentional if my reply seemed to air on the side of hyperbolic, though it's not uncommon for players of any game to project their own desires for it. As well I find it happens more when the developers appear more receptive to feedback. Which can prove to be a point of friction depending on where you stand.

[@Boulder7685]

I’m also gonna point to Yanagi and especially Lighter both being characters that came out right before Miyabi, with very dynamic kits available to them, both of them playing incredibly well with Miyabi specifically (albeit in separate teams), the fact that Miyabi doesn’t yet seem to have a skill ceiling proportionate to the skill floor would certainly be upsetting. Like, are players actually going to argue that it’s a good thing that Miyabi doesn’t have more skill expression available in her kit? If you know people who value being able to do cool shit with their own abilities, are you going to try and sell them on the game solely off of what Miyabi accomplishes when you use her full Shimotsuki? Maybe Lvl3 Shimotsuki > double EX > Ult > Lvl3 Shimotsuki? Can Miyabi on her own (or without other limited units that a new player can’t even pull for) really sell the game for those types of people? Is Miyabi actually the pinnacle of kit design to convince the gameplay-heavy crowd on her own that they should finally start playing the game now?

[@zeiphie]

@@Boulder7685 I would in this argue that we're not even a week in. While I'm no top ranking expert or player I'm always a bit cautious in claiming that everything is figured out and we can make such definitive determinations on the character's skill ceiling. To an extent I think because of her exceptional damage relative to content right now is somewhat obscuring. At least in regard to what we may consider what is 'optimal', could change as the game matures further and the difficulty inevitably grows (let's hope it's not just HP that does). To your last point, and this was mentioned in the podcast, I don't believe Miyabi is the thing that will 'sell the game' for these gameplay-heavy types. Miyabi is the flashy, accessible, neon-signed, Void-Hunter. She sells a power fantasy. And while I don't believe that's all she is like some people there's no denying at least this much. Harumasa, conversely is for the crowd you're talking about. he's free for everyone to try. Available for even the most skeptical of returnees. And since he's free, more casual players may not mind that his more demanding skill floor seems inaccessible to them at first. So to that end I do not think we should look at Miyabi like some be-all-end-all character. She isn't and she also simply cannot be this. In that yes it's reasonable to assume some people might be disappointed. But I raise that an expectation like that is unreasonable on the outset.

[@gameologian7365]

lol at complaining about skill expression when the hardest character is just basic x3 then special

[@overwhelmedingames]

For the enhanced attack you can swap out to a different character and Miyabi will still do the whole attack lol you have plenty of control

[@Turner459O]

Love the podcast, although It can get a bit frustrating in a handful of episodes when you discuss/speculate about what an upcoming agent will do (e.g. I hope Evelyn's kit revolves around chain-attacks so Koleda's buff will be actually good) when (WARNING: spoilers/leaks for 1.5) that's EXACTLY what her actual leaked kit is. If you're going to play coy about reading the forbidden texts, I'd rather you just avoid bringing up those topics at all, instead of acting all surprised when the "speculation" ends up being fact. Again, really my only gripe. LOVE ZZZ, and love the podcast!

[@bob13559]

Is that the guy who got M6 Lighter?

[@vinvido2317]

LEAK WARING: . . . In regards to what ALG said, there are curently leaks of an Ice Attacker in 1.7 so if they are true and nothing changes he better starts prepping his meal... Jokes aside, will be interestig to see how they do dps in the future and how much they can bend established rules and how we think certain roles can function

[@paris5831]

First guys opinion made me want to never watch a video with him in it cuz he obviously has no idea what he’s talking about

[@Xafiron]

He has No idea you can animation cancel that long animation, is tailor made for other anomaly characters to trigger anomaly while she s doing her animation. I guess she dose t have bigger boobs for the dude.

[@holandazzz]

so you cant disagree with people?

[@millerwrightt]

​@@holandazzznothing wrong with not enjoying a content creator man

[@Boulder7685]

@@millerwrightt “no idea what he’s talking about” does not sound much like “I don’t like his content”

[@millerwrightt]

@@Boulder7685 it's a big reason to not like someone's content lol

[@LordlyWeeb]

When you do the hold basic attack for Miyabi, just switch characters after you release and the animation is playing. That way you're not just doing nothing.

[@minyaw1234]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who prefers Astra over Evelyn. The suit wear was never a thing for me.

[@tsukuyomi8994]

Lucky for you I am here my friend Astra wanted 👍

[@zeiphie]

I feel like it's got a lot to do with cultural tastes. In the English speaking world 'cute' is not inherently as attractive to 'cool'. Case in point you could argue Miyabi also has 'suit fashion' (as with all of Sec6) but Miyabi's has a looseness and flowing nature to her fit where as Evelyn is practically being bound inside of her outfit. It's not surprising by comparison which one of these character designs the community has a larger reaction towards. It's my opinion that ZZZ is objectively not a gooning game, the player base however....

[@galukisayaps182]

Astra is Sexy, but Evelin design is so nice, i just dont like her voice but it fits the character, im going for Astra if i can, still pulling for miyabi dupes xD, but yeah Astra is the perfect character for my account, i dont like most of supports, i like Nicole and Lucy, and i've been using Rina cuz she is helping my teams, but if i can replace Rina with Astra, thats gonna be perfect cuz at least Astra is a character im confortable with, just for the design tbh, and surely, she is gonna be top support also, i hope :P.

[@minyaw1234]

@@zeiphie There certainly is a difference in culture - but I would say the uniforms of S6 are still feminine because of the skirts. The white shirt with black pants and a black jacket are closer to the normal suit you see, and I'm not really into that. This is not a criticism btw, just my taste.

[@top-hats-9056]

For me it's just that they never get the pants right in gacha games. Evelyn's pants look like Old Navy leggings 😭

[@cha_21]

Miyabi's being Japanese driven character, that a swordsmaster/ Kendo Style master. That shows alot of proper and precision strike. So I find it weird why Miyabi have to be DMC like dashing- jumping dodge demon just not to be called boring. Every character have distinct attributes that compliment each other. I can't wait for Evelyn's because of her string fighting arts.

[@bender1987]

Trying to say talk about character depth or expression with any M6 character is such a bad take bro, the game is so easy if you spend on Edilons or whatever they are. Your skill means less than your money in these games.

[@ultimateglazer22]

holy L take kettei

[@devilsadvocate22289]

20:32 - not to nitpick, because I share Ket’s concerns about Powercreep, but using Arlecchino and Neuvillette as an example of powercreep over Raiden and Ayato are pretty bad since SPOILERS - Arlecchino can tap into otherworldly Void Moon Powers and is a Harbinger and Neuvillette is the literal Water Dragon Sovereign so their powers could equal or surpass Archons… That being said, I do worry about ZZZ’s devs doing similar things to Genshin where they introduce another equivalent ZZZ title similar to Genshin’s “Harbinger” or “Dragon” in the lore to justify even powercreeping the Void Hunters.

[@TacticalDimples]

Your second statement doesn’t make sense. Void hunters are pretty much the Harbingers of ZZZ. Harbingers and dragons have been around since Mondatadt and they’re pretty much on par with Archons…

[@devilsadvocate22289]

⁠@@TacticalDimples Void Hunters are established as the “Archons” of ZZZ. Like the Archons, they are the protectors of New Eridu and are revered by the people. Harbingers are the shady third faction in Genshin that are antagonists but also are not necessarily enemies of the MCs. ZZZ has already established multiple outside factions in the TOPS Alliance and “The Order” and any one of those could be the “Harbingers” of ZZZ in the lore. I’m hoping ZZZ’s equivalent of the Dragon Sovereigns won’t get introduced until later if not at all, but the existence of gigantic boss monsters and demon blades might necessitate the introduction of such characters in the future. What makes the Harbingers and Dragons terrifying in the lore is that the lowest ranked are equivalent to Archons while the highest rank far surpasses them. This also makes powercreep a big worry in the meta. Miyabi in the lore is pretty equivalent to Raiden Shogun in Genshin. There was a time when people thought the most powerful beings in Genshin were the Archons but those thoughts have long since passed. My big fear is that they will release a Neuvillette or Arlecchino too soon in the lore that any characters lower in power to Miyabi will not be worth pulling and that will end the game for a lot of players.

[@Boulder7685]

Meanwhile I’m still wounded by how quickly the Herrscher of the Void fell off back in HI3, relative to her release state.

[@myrelhunter3430]

It has been 1000 years but we are back

[@chimilicitypjm459]

idk why theyre acting like they havent read the leaks? 😭

[@yaemiko9969]

Damn you need to chill so that wisdom will eventually catch up to you

[@Bair_Rest]

I know ALG is a hoyo creator with access to the creator beta. I don’t think they’re allowed to talk about leaks iirc

[@goztboy]

I don't agree that power creep is "necessary", if Miyabi were just as good as Ellen I'd still feel compelled to pull for her because I like her personality/design. ZZZ especially has a lot of potential to just release characters that are fun or just give you a new way to play. I do think power creep is useful for the company because obviously, it drives people to buy characters they otherwise wouldn't be interested in. But as for me, I'll continue to pull purely for characters I like or find fun to play.

[@QMS9224]

People are misunderstanding, it wasn’t about what’s good for the game, it was a financial business decision. ZZZ since launch has underperformed hoyo expectations, there’s even talk that Miyabi was supposed to be a 2.0 but they bumped her up. They gave us miyabi and free Harumasa to entice new players

[@TissueFc]

"mUh sKiLL ExPRession" rant is so cringe lmao especially from Lighter simp, literally most braindead S rank unit

[@galukisayaps182]

7:20 thats exactly why i didnt go for Burnice in the end, i also expected great gameplay but after checking a lot of gameplay she was made not to be used xD, she is barely on the field but thats what she was made for, its usable, its powerful but in terms of gameplay she offers almost nothing

[@DavidTomGault]

As somebody that lost my 50/50s in the past to an avalanche of Koleda, I would be *very* pleased to have a reason to use her. Evelyn; it's your move! (But I'm very fond of my current Miyabi x Yanagi x Casear trio as my main for now).

[@Bruzz0]

This dude with the worst Miyabi take.

[@KStyleAzure]

stupid starting comment from kettei considering miyabi's eb3 offers so much skill expression by allowing you to swap off to other agents to squeeze out more dps that way

[@blind0wl123]

Personally I find it really funny that hours after I had decided that I wanted to get Rina to m6 eventually the separate decibel change was leaked because she's really strong and fun with the new changes. She's always switching in so she's gaining charge and her ultimate is a damage and energy dump that switches straight into a DPS

[@Voxet1]

Commenting just to say links to the other youtubers yall mention in the podcast would be nice

[@galukisayaps182]

54:00 deadly assault feels like a challenge for the players who have been there all the time, those who didnt drop the game, becouse having 3 teams is not that easy, im a first day player and im having troubles, im at 8 stars, but well, for the polychromes, its not that hard to get, i can get to the 14 k points with all my teams easily

[@Bonjamin9726]

I coulda had M1-M2 Miyabi, but I lost the 50/50 and went to hard pity both times, pain

[@1234andrewjacksmith]

So we started with 3 Physical attacker and 1 anomaly, got an Anomaly and Defence so far Fire, we started with an Support, Defence, attacker and Stun, got a stun and anomaly(for the full set), will be getting Attacker Ice, We started with a Support and Stun, got an Attacker and Anomaly. Electric, We started with a Stun, Attacker, Support and Anomaly, Later got Stun, Defence, Attacker and Anomaly. Ether, we started with a Support, got an Attacker and will get a Support Will be nice to get the missing types we are missing, Very much hope for some more Physical or Ether stuff, Physical more so because Jane and Caesar are so fun

[@Kail27next]

Nicole's ult into Zhu Yuan's ult is crazy

[@ethericdezigns1528]

I have Lighter M1... and he is one of my mains along side of Yanagi and Miyabi. I have a few maxed out supports too: Seth Lucy Soku/Soukoku

[@mrsneed420]

Is anyone else not really wowed by Astra or Evelyn? Sure they’re cute, but I don’t think either of them will be that game changing like ceasar, miyabi or any of the anomaly S-ranks.

[@nago2338]

All I know is that I love Evelyn's voice actor, and she will complete a third team for me. (Her, Koleda, and Lucy.)

[@JoIhnnyRage]

@@mrsneed420 astra will actually, evelyn probably not however.

[@Pk_Chesire]

I lost the fifty when miyabi dropped and got koleda, 100 pulls later got miyabi last night from grinding and free poly, I’m so happy little disappointed I gotta grind more to get miyabis w-engine

[@Shizu_exe]

The battle tower is kind of a joke right now... because Harumasa is literally invincible while spaming his ex special/special attack and with Miyabi you can just camp out with Harumasa untill Miyabi and any 3rd agent recharged energy and decibels 😂

[@zeiphie]

Low key, I expect that aspect of Harumasa will be 'adjusted'. It's a bit expoit-y and likely not what the devs intended for the character.

[@goztboy]

@@zeiphie I mean, Miyabi isn't that much different. Between her auto parry and the mountain of i-frames she gets with her held BA/EX special, it's very rare that she actually gets hit. Although, at least Harumasa has the chance to get adjustments, since most people aren't betting the farm to get him.

[@zeiphie]

@@goztboy See here, the difference is Miyabi is THE Void Hunter. She has carte blanche to be busted. And she is. Conversely it'd be really weird if she didn't power creep the whole game. If that were allowed to come to pass she would be effectively meme'd out of existence. If you want a more substantive answer; mechanically Miyabi is designed to attack into attacks. It's a very clear and deliberate design choice by the developers as a means to express her power to the player beyond big numbers. Where Miyabi is so skilled with the sword as it were that she both attacks and defends in the same stroke. Harumasa however his gimmick, and it is a gimmick, looks goofy as hell. And I don't need to make the argument that the devs in his case wasn't imagining people playing him in that way. Where he dances around looking like a goober waiting for energy to charge. So no....while you can make the argument they technically end up in the same place It's very clear the situations are VERY different.

[@achtius]

Can you share the Harumasa videos? :O

[@friendofWangYu]

the most cringy contrarian… basically for 9/10 statements/claims.

[@galukisayaps182]

9:50 thats where i enjoy miyabi the most xD, i hate that part of small adds spreading away killing your times in the challenges, i hate the fact u need to fight some bosses with small mobs on the way, thats so annoying, so now with miyabi u come out, charge the 6 orbs, and problem solved :P.

[@galukisayaps182]

12:40 Right now my crit agents cant compete with my anomaly ones, i've been completing everything with the anomaly ones, actually, the new mode, i felt my jane was my weaker anomaly agent, and the crit ones cant get close to jane numbers, so im feeling kinda bad about that, its like yeah, my characters are being replaced with the patches, but also i gotta be honest, i havent invested that much on the discs set for all my chars, and f2p weaps are also a problem, so yeah, i need more work on their gears also.

[@markhui]

44:30 if koleda worked well with eve that would be amazing since i lost miyabis 50/50 to hers c1 and i skiped lighter

[@chocobox1571]

I'm planning to skip Astra and Evelyn since they dont personally interest me. Wish you guys who are pulling them the best of luck! I'm still saving for my idols ^-^❤

[@rage7792]

M6 lighter just hit different 😂

[@clarinet800149]

Haruma works hard to be lazy. Love it

[@progaming-ok8tq]

zzz

[@vahallen9876]

Hugo Vladd sends his regards to ALG Lmao

[@Natespile]

Ya'll should actually just give this channel over to some of us, you guys ain't unlucky enough for this shit 😔 also pog that kettie isn't pulling for miyabi, He and I are not so different. Lighter for the win.

[@mugen1119]

been 100 years since the last losing the fifty

[@lain2k3]

And none of them have lost a fifty since then. Couldn't wait any more lol

[@MapleYum]

I lost my 50/50 on Miyabi and her W-engine. Pain 😂

[@Subjectnut]

Me too....then i decide to use money to solve problem. Now i start to question my life decision after see how much i use in this game.

[@itol2398]

I appreciate that y'all took some time to talk about how lore *DOES NOT* translate to in-game strength, and how powercreep doesn't play into that. It harks back to HI3 days, where Void Kiana was considered the strongest character in game, then Rita came out as a solid side-grade not a patch later. People are too worried about powercreep, in my opinion. Like, what are you gonna do? *Not* pull for a character because they're *too* strong? FOH with that lmao. That's how these games work, we gave the okay as soon as we clicked "Agree to All". Besides, I suspect Hoyo will take the HI3 approach to balance, since this game is most comparable to that over Genshin imo. Not every character was stronger than the last, notably so in some instances, even now with part 2 characters being so much more powerful than early part 1 units. In addition, valkyries would get equipment that brings them up as time goes on, and even buffed up older units that could be obtained for free so they could hold up in Elysian Realm (HI3s SU/HZ). Hoyo was smaller then, so things aren't the same, but I'm not worried about powercreep in ZZZ.

[@TheRoleplayer40k]

People who spend are of course worried

[@itol2398]

@TheRoleplayer40k true, but when has this ever *not* been on the table? That's why I'm not worried about it, I don't sink tens of hours and 100s of dollars into these characters. I understand that for some people, it's closer to a job than a game, but the point remains.

[@LordlyWeeb]

The concern isn't that a character is too strong. It's that, BECAUSE a character is so strong, the devs will warp the game around that character, making everyone else nearly or completely unusable. That's why people are worried about powercreep.

[@itol2398]

@@LordlyWeeb yeah, that's a fair concern. We see it in Star Rail, sure, and I think it's a fair concern there. Again, though, I hark back to HI3 and it's balancing, where characters could be strong for the sake of it, but things didn't drastically spike in power every patch. Supports were released alongside DPS, but character kits mattered more than how much damage they could do. Not everyone was meant to be a DPS, and I think (hope) that remains true here. Of course, this was in a much more competitive game, and people optimize the life out of characters now, so it could go either way.

[@FennecEcho]

24:50 you better start eating ALG. There’s no way they dodge that for two years

[@Rachel-Pham]

just say the leaks lil bro

[@0atslaughter]

I just like bangboo tower defense

[@SnoffTheMaker]

You can just animation cancel into the next character tho. You don’t have to sit there and watch the animation

[@theadventuresofdonny7122]

Alright... so... Bloons Tower Defense X Zenless Zone Zero collab when?

[@axlessr55]

I hate that they put too ice bosses on deadly assault.

[@Lumiphatom]

Yeah, Miyabi has high skill expression with how she works in the teams. As a hypercarry, she is braindead.

[@goztboy]

Yeah, this is a good way of putting it. Playing her with Yanagi feels amazing since she has the exact kind of skill expression you'd want, plus they complement each other's kits perfectly. But if you play Miyabi alone, she doesn't have much going for her outside of being absurdly flashy.

[@QQxoxoQQ]

Pretty sure Miyabi's parry only works on 4th and 5th BA.

[@cphotenhauer4153]

Aight... Time for the curse of Nekomata.

[@mazamonx]

Yes! At last!

[@mrsneed420]

Not pulling for Miyabi is crazy, she’s absolutely busted

[@TheRoleplayer40k]

Every new characters is always ‘completely busted’ then obsolete 3 months later

[@ramsical]

i also find miyabi a bit underwhelming so i’m happy i get to save for a broken support this patch.

[@zeiphie]

inb4 Astra turns out to be a bit mid... 👀

[@ramsical]

@ then my acc is cooked😂

[@diobrando6270]

she's not that far from Caesar actually. i wouldn't use "broken" like all those fake-hype content creators to describe Astra.

[@SnoffTheMaker]

“Skill expression” in a single player game

[@donutmago8760]

damn, i'm all for being the devil's advocate but yikes man kettei tries too hard. like pipe it down a little.

[@ZenlessSavage]

@57:00 Deadly Assault Bringer is nearly impossible to 3* clear without whaling and without Miyabi.

[@Berserkscarlett]

Cleared Bringer (3 stars) with Yanagi, Piper, and Lucy. It was close though.

[@ZenlessSavage]

@@Berserkscarlett Grats! I've skipped all the anomaly characters so far, so I just got my 6* from the other levels and called it there.

[@leonardoelias1147]

finaly

[@gonzaloarielgodoylopez5336]

I agree with miyabi being kinda boring to play but I still pulled for her because I lack broken characters at the moment (my dps are ellen and soldier 11. And I guess harumasa but I haven't build him yet). So my plan is to use miyabi for all her worth and stop using her once my roster is more complete. And if voidhunters are by design "broken but casual" I will probably not pull for any other voidhunter. (And honestly I think that would be smart for them to do. Is an easy answer for new players. "You are new to the game? Pull a voidhunter")

[@greatdanchik]

You guys need to sit together in one room and we have new Trash Taste guys.

[@Nemroider]

haru- who?

[@Kicksrockskids]

tao yeah

[@chocobo4646]

Bro, I'm 100% ZZZ's stories biggest hater, and I don't even think it's that bad, just way overhyped/praised. Mega-cringe getting to "Avengers: Endgame" 5 months after Iron Man 1. I just think the ending they gave, at least that stupid credits sequence, was entirely unearned based on the amount of time and characterization we got in the story so far between characters who aren't Phaethon. Also does some contrived or deus ex machina, "Here, just in time!" moments that I'm not a fan of in stories I engage with anyway. I also hate the characters showing up in retrospect. They barely appeared and really were only there for the "OHMAGOSH! ITS JUST LIKE ENDGAAAAMEE!!1!!!!!11!" Their parts were so minimal, you cut them out and lose maybe 5 mins of cutscene and running from one point to another and lose 0 characterization. Stories can be way better than this and I don't want to applaud them for throwing action figures on the bed. In any case, I still think it's _fine_ but not much higher than that. I really liked the scene where Billy and Anby notice Section 6 trying to subtly take an offensive position. I thought it was nice, non-explicit characterization of the two. Didn't love how the scene was impossible from the viewer to know until Anby and Billy mentioned it since it was in the Visual Novel, but that's obviously the resource efficient means of telling the story, so I'm fine that it's used, and am still okay with how that moment played out. I also remember thinking the Miyabi and [Protag] in the hollow segment was fine. I think my biggest issues was maybe some dialogue writing and not having a good picture of the protagonist's ether aptitude to know what the "ticking clock" is like until they want to trigger it. Oh, and I think my issue with the dialogue is that [Protag] didn't explain to Miyabi about how long they can last. Felt like pertinent information.

[@nago2338]

I'm not reading all of this, but I agree with the first paragraph. The Son's of Calidon ending was way better. The other factions appearing didn't really make sense here.

[@schlorts]

The biggest missed opportunity they had was switching agents during the final mission against bringer They changed soukaku with miyabi at the very end, but they didnt switch some section 6 agents to victoria housekeeping agents??? The story was okay, im interested where theyll go next, but they fumbled the final segment so bad

[@MrKami123456]

Tf wrong wit Kettei?? 😂 bro stop it 😂

[@juggernaut6666]

Pretty sure we are safe on power creep for the moment because evelyn's realistic numbers ate dog shit.

[@honeyispure]

RAHHHH

[@triviumhead1]

I will 100% be dropping the game if power creep takes off big time.

[@dennisorozco1958]

Hey I didn't skip Lighter He skipped ME

[@galukisayaps182]

4:20 yeah, i felt exactly the same, made for casuals, i still enjoy her mostly for the concept, i mean, a girl with katana, thats my weakness xD, but yeah still so dissapointing on her gameplay, i expected more but its like, she was made to sell, to go into everyones hands.

[@alucard7889]

Comments are full of crybabies that can’t handle opinons😢

[@paradozx]

The game is ridiculous on base level. And characters will get powercrept eventually.

[@gachaGames-fx7iy]

180 lose in 90 and win 80 😢😢

[@galukisayaps182]

min 2:00 i totally agree xDDDDD, Miyabi was so dissapointing in the gameplay

[@progaming-ok8tq]

zzz