Lost Memory - Planeswalkers Forgotten

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@AetherHub
@AetherHub 7 жыл бұрын
Amonkhet spoilers start tomorrow on the Aether Hub
@dedrick43
@dedrick43 7 жыл бұрын
Aether Hub Jace had to go do "Jace things" it's fine.
@Gh0st.H0bbies
@Gh0st.H0bbies 7 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for Garruk to come back. What about you, Aether Hub (please no Tibalt)?
@fabiodamas1995
@fabiodamas1995 7 жыл бұрын
Aether Hub what about tibalt?
@xanderpeters3221
@xanderpeters3221 7 жыл бұрын
MrGambas Tibalt? What is he, black? Green? Never heard of a Tibalt. Probably has some really stupid abilities...
@fabiodamas1995
@fabiodamas1995 7 жыл бұрын
Xander Peters well yeah but i was talking in a lore way. not in the card itself
@virulentskills225
@virulentskills225 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe Wizards will make a "Gatewatch East" or "Jace League Dark" team with all the forgotton members, all led by Sorin when he breaks out of the wall.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub 7 жыл бұрын
as interesting as that would be... please no..
@johnnyscifi
@johnnyscifi 7 жыл бұрын
VirulentSkills Yes!!!
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
Mittens The Destroyer nahiri trapped him inside of Markov manors walls, which stuck his body full of debris so he can't planeswalk
@dedstrok32legosjuegosymas94
@dedstrok32legosjuegosymas94 5 жыл бұрын
Welp, he did break out.
@SalmonOfK84
@SalmonOfK84 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think this problem isn't just localised to planeswalkers. MTG's story as a whole has (ironically enough) taken a huge hit since the two block structure was introduced. The Gatewatch are lackluster and largely shallow and stereotypical, and the side characters- such as Ajani, Tamiyo, Arlinn Kord and basically every non-planeswalker character- are barely given a second to shine. Interesting side stories are being concluded unsatisfactorily, if at all. Shadows Over Innistrad was a particularly frustrating example of this, wherein Arlinn Kord's story of redemption was an afterthought, and Halana and Alena's struggle against the resurging monsters and Ormendahl was all but forgotten. But apart from writing that rarely rises above mediocre, and far too frequently dips below average, perhaps the biggest problem is that WotC aren't giving each story enough time to come to fruition. The first few stories of the Gatewatch era showed some genuinely good build up- particularly in the case of Battle for Zendikar, which benefited hugely from having Magic Origins to add further depth to the story before it began proper. However, by the time that the Aligned Hedron Network was broken and the Oath of the Gatewatch arc suddenly began, things took a turn for the worse. OGW's story felt extremely rushed after the slow build and careful crafting of BfZ, with perspectives jumping back and forth and a conclusion that was forced, and resulted in the easy annihilation of two of modern Magic's most iconic villains. SoI had a similar problem (although the flavour of the plane was better filtered through the cards), with Emrakul's arrival and subsequent Eldrazi-fying of the populace taking away from the genuinely compelling story of Avacyn's turn to the dark side- a story that could easily have lasted through both blocks, and would have allowed characters like the trappers and Sigarda the screen-time they deserved. Admittedly, Kaladesh doesn't seem to have suffered as much from this lack of time to prepare and wrap up a good story, but as you said, characters like Saheeli Rai were left high and dry after just a single Uncharted Realms article. There was also the significant issue of making Chandra- arguably the most important character in the block- look weak, stupid and incapable every five seconds- a shame, considering that when she's written right, she's arguably one of the most interesting Gatewatch members. And, to top it all off, WotC had time to avoid continuing this trend. Aether Revolt's story finished over a month ago- that's 4-6 weeks worth of Uncharted Realms articles. However, they instead decided to give us zero. They wasted all that time that they could have been building up characters, building a world, releasing snippets of art and the occasional common or uncommon to get the community excited, and keep them that way, so that now it's doubtful that Amonkhet's story will be able to surpass these shortcomings that are ruining the product's current lore. Don't get me wrong, I love Magic's story as a whole, and I'm a Vorthos through-and-through. But when I think of the original Ravnica Storyline; or Tarkir's various shifting timelines and Khans that all felt fleshed out an unique; or the way that Mirrodin has slowly evolved into New Phyrexia through subtle hints dropped by WotC for years now; or even of characters like Feldon of the Third Path, who's story (Loran's Smile) is arguably one of the most heartbreakingly beautiful I've ever read, I know that Wizards can do better. And if they want to keep this focus on storytelling going, then they have to start living up to those standards.
@SalmonOfK84
@SalmonOfK84 7 жыл бұрын
Apologies for the length of this comment, I appreciate that it's pretty ridiculous. :P I've just been frustrated by the direction that MtG's story has been taking lately for ages, so it was nice to get it all off my chest. XD
@WelkinShaman
@WelkinShaman 7 жыл бұрын
SalmonOfK84 I agree with you completely. MTG lore has right now a huge problem with tempo, characters are introduced merely for a cheap and fast excitement soon to be replaced with other ones. This really irritates me since like you, I also think that MTG has historically had some very interesting and fulfilling lore, but that has always relied on (one could even argue that it necessarily relies on) continuous development of the characters.
@rafaelsousa2633
@rafaelsousa2633 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said. Some stories look very promising but they never develop them enough. For example, that time when they mentioned a fourth angel sister. That had a lot of potential but they didn't do anything. Maybe they want her in a future Commander product or something, but it made much more sense to tell that story here in SOI
@SalmonOfK84
@SalmonOfK84 7 жыл бұрын
Rafael Sousa That's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Shadows Over Innistrad, though extremely flavourful, completely ignored so many characters and potentially compelling story arcs in exchange for an unnecessary appearance from Emrakul. Which was a damn shame, because Arlinn Kord, Halana and Alena and Sigardas mini-arcs could have been damn incredible blocks in their own right.
@SalmonOfK84
@SalmonOfK84 7 жыл бұрын
Rafael Sousa That's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Shadows Over Innistrad, though extremely flavourful, completely ignored so many characters and potentially compelling story arcs in exchange for an unnecessary appearance from Emrakul. Which was a damn shame, because Arlinn Kord, Halana and Alena and Sigardas mini-arcs could have been damn incredible blocks in their own right.
@TheLegalCustodian
@TheLegalCustodian 7 жыл бұрын
My bet in the shortcut of some new walkers is, that we will see them again at some point again, maybe in a bigger scheme of the storyline. Like Dovin Baan, Narset was leaving too, but seeking for answers regarding the alteration of Tarkirs timeline. She stayed, as we know, on Tarkir but we dont know where this will lead. She was searching Ugin who was last seen in Zendikar and with the Nicol Bolas story coming up, his archenemy Ugin will have a role for sure and if Narset really wants to find Ugin, she will end up there too! Vague speculation tho :P
@JimJimTheMonkey
@JimJimTheMonkey 7 жыл бұрын
Hülzen von Spackingen the new walkers that have been glossed over will be the Gatewatch B-squad while most of the gatewatch will be either captured or dead
@tim4330
@tim4330 7 жыл бұрын
I know he's not a planeswalker but a character that I felt really the short end of the stick was Ormendahl. the new Patron demon of the Skirsdag and what does he get in the lines story one brief mention in the same story that had Arlinn Kord.
@shanelund749
@shanelund749 7 жыл бұрын
I really like how you take the time to respond to comments. it gives me this real personal feel. same with all you other lovely people here on the ather hub. keep pushing out these great videos, and ill watch every one!
@xdestradox
@xdestradox 7 жыл бұрын
I would love more stuff for Ashiok.
@lisannastrauss4487
@lisannastrauss4487 5 жыл бұрын
Oh my god yes. Who knows, maybe Ashiok will be the new villain after Bolas? A man can hope, I suppose.
@thatonedudejake
@thatonedudejake 5 жыл бұрын
Pumped for more ashiok in the new theros set
@Razzy1312
@Razzy1312 4 жыл бұрын
In the TBD lore Ashiok does planeswalk away from the Theros underworld, so I'm sure we'll get more Ashiok.
@anthonydelfino6171
@anthonydelfino6171 7 жыл бұрын
You're spot on in your analysis of the planeswalkers. I think on the exact same note as Saheeli, you also have Ral Zarek. Same problem there, he's the cover art for Dragon's Maze, it's his voice in the trailer video for the set, he's an incredibly interesting character, who I would have much preferred to have be the living guildpact, but again they fell short and he's not been mentioned or seen ever since then.
@thefrostian
@thefrostian 7 жыл бұрын
Probably a dumb idea, but what if we got a kind of Origins 2, with the backstories of a bunch of "forgotten Planeswalkers?"
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
Adam Fanelli maybe all duel color? Garruk, saheeli, w/r (?) koth, b/w zombie elspeth, kiora
@thefrostian
@thefrostian 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that could be cool! Also Ashiok, if we don't see him in Amonkhet
@TheCeltic91
@TheCeltic91 7 жыл бұрын
this made me wonder where planeswalkers like vraska and tibalt
@sirderik
@sirderik 7 жыл бұрын
tibalts last documented to fight Sorin, he is most likely dead so that wizard never need to bring him back or anywhere else them innistrad(i know descriptive but it is a mulit vers)and vraska is still on ravnica in the shadows...most likely of the two to get a comeback.
@WrightJustice1991
@WrightJustice1991 7 жыл бұрын
Well later Planeswalker updates kinda made it so it was unclear what happened to Tibalt and that he maybe planeswalked to safety.
@aaronwallace9045
@aaronwallace9045 7 жыл бұрын
TheCeltic91 isn't vraska going to be in the block after amhoknet
@TheCeltic91
@TheCeltic91 7 жыл бұрын
Aaron Wallace I honestly don't know
@sirderik
@sirderik 7 жыл бұрын
or it could be a unnamed Gorgon.
@Repli_force
@Repli_force 7 жыл бұрын
I like where the Gideon story is progressing. On "Return to Theros" set, we will see Gideon playing an actual "bad guy", because he would not want to change how planes work anymore, especialy his native one, and he will become the champion of Heliod once again, to stop ones willing to destroy order on Theros, while Elspeth, the champion of Erebos, will be willing to Abolish Gods, eventualy becoming the most powerfull god herself - The God of Heroes. I Think at some point Nahiri will join Gatewatch. I know it seems wierd, but if Lilianna is in Gatewatch, why wouldnt Nahiri? She knows how to defeat Sorin Markov, and he will seek revenge on her. Also, i see Garruk returning at some point, possibly some plane we didnt Visited yet. Vraska could be a member of Gatewatch. Saheli will join Gatewatch after "Kaladesh Besieged", set that Phyrexians will attack. Also, i wanna see in Hour of Devastation Ugin VS Nicol Bolas. I Mean, come on - This sh~t need to go down. Oh, and also, i want Jace to meet Urza one day. Himself, or as a projection. I just want to see it.
@bobthegamingtaco6073
@bobthegamingtaco6073 7 жыл бұрын
Królestwo Gier You know, I was thinking about Urza recently, and it just doesn't seem likely that he would have absolutely no plan for his demise. I think that he could have hid something on Dominaria to either resurrect him, or allow someone to build a clone/automaton with his knowledge. Just a thought.
@cassie5248
@cassie5248 7 жыл бұрын
Vraska's definitely not joining the GW. Also, if they make the phyrexians attack Kaladesh, they'll basically be saying that any artifact plane they make will get attacked by phyrexia.
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
Bob The Gaming Taco he's already been beheaded and lived, but then he definitively died after accompanying the weatherlight
@Repli_force
@Repli_force 7 жыл бұрын
Well, actually, i think there is solution for that. Going back in past and killing yagwmoth. With help of Urza.
@byronsmothers2514
@byronsmothers2514 7 жыл бұрын
Królestwo Gier i like alot of the details, but based entirely on her profession and her relationship with jace, there is no chance of vraska joining the gatewatch
@near3d945
@near3d945 7 жыл бұрын
Saheeli Rai introduced Rashmi, to Padeem, Consul of Innovation if she didn't Rashmi wouldn't have been able to compete in the inventor fair because her application was late.
@joelstephenson
@joelstephenson 7 жыл бұрын
waka 3d yeah and she was hot. much better than some blue guy for advertising
@kopakanuva566
@kopakanuva566 6 жыл бұрын
And now over a year later both the kaladesh planeswalkers have gotten a new card while also acquiring new roles in the story. Saheeli has become the mentor of Huatli, the dinosaur planeswalker from Ixalan and Dovin Baan is the leader of the azorius in Ravnica Allegiance
@samb123078
@samb123078 7 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget Nahari and Sorin. What happened to them? Their conflict was central to that block and yet we have no idea what happened to them.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub 7 жыл бұрын
Nahiri ran off satisfied at her vengeance.. Sorin's literally stuck in a wall. Still unsatisfactory endings to me.
@Nic7800
@Nic7800 7 жыл бұрын
Aether Hub how long till someone grabs a pick axe?
@joshuacapps7888
@joshuacapps7888 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd love to see more on all the planeswalkers. Even maybe without a set of cards next to it or a mini-reprint set that just has new art. As much as I love Chandra, The Gatewatch is just the new Weatherlight Crew, and they'll all end up in the same place as those sets.
@cassie5248
@cassie5248 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe story articles in between blocks when there's no other story.
@rioscardot
@rioscardot 7 жыл бұрын
you definitelly post great topic videos. I had, too, thought about this topic. many other walkers are lost wandering the bland eternities, namely Narset, Ashiok, Ral Zarek, Domri, and especially Tibald, who'd make a perfect B/R planeswalker villain. the great thing about planeswalkers is that they don't HAVE to belong to a specific plane. They don't NEED to be trapped in their planes, which was something that used to happen prior to Lorwyn with non-planeswalker characters. These guys have a passport to go anywhere they like in the multiverse. I mean, look at how successful Sarkham turned out; he was seen in multiple planes going through various stages. Wizards needs to see this. Jace is not the only hero around in the multiverse. Many of these characters should be lured into a new unseen plane, create a story that can kick it up a little bit, and Deprive them from planeswalking away. Ob Nixilis vs Saheeli Tibald vs Narset Ashiok vs Arliin. so many more. The gatewatch seems to be just a good excuse for a movie plot and toy sales.
@dullestpenguin4151
@dullestpenguin4151 7 жыл бұрын
When the Gatewatch run is done, hopefully very soon, I hope we get a storyline that does not include any of the current cast of pw's. They can use existing characters, but lets avoid Gideon, Jace, Liliana, Chandra, and Nissa for a full story run.
@TheDomfou
@TheDomfou 7 жыл бұрын
I wanna see Tibalt under Bolas wings has one of the worthy,, becoming a new enemy of the gate watch!
@jeremiahabbott4469
@jeremiahabbott4469 7 жыл бұрын
TheDomfou that be cool, especially since Bolas has his Consortium it'd make since to harass this group of planeswalkers trying to meddle
@jameswilson4328
@jameswilson4328 7 жыл бұрын
List of Walkers I really wish I had some more content to explore in no particular order, Arlin Kord, Kiora, Ral Zarek, Tibalt, Domri Rade, and Ashiok the Nightmare Weaver (Probably my most desired for further expansion).
@raulperez2308
@raulperez2308 7 жыл бұрын
James Wilson wasn't ral zarek dead?
@geinerelizondo2019
@geinerelizondo2019 7 жыл бұрын
That's not new; are some very old planeswalker totally forgotten. (Kazz; Zakk, Worzel, Thomil, Vram, Parcher; they are just names in some book or manual, not backstory o anything)
@AetherHub
@AetherHub 7 жыл бұрын
yes but im saying this even happens to Planeswalkers who WOTC committed to print and put some thought into.
@geinerelizondo2019
@geinerelizondo2019 7 жыл бұрын
I want to see Arlin a little more developed, but also they can use some of this "long forgotten planeswalkers" somehow. I still have some hopes to know who the hell was the creator of the Phyrexian plane.
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
Geiner Elizondo the original (yawgmoth) or new phyrexia (Karn, sort of)
@geinerelizondo2019
@geinerelizondo2019 7 жыл бұрын
Fake Gmale, not the NEW phyrexia; the very old Phyrexian plane... was a creation of a planeswaker.
@ericjimenez4360
@ericjimenez4360 7 жыл бұрын
Geiner Elizondo that would be yawgmoth more than likely I would have to read the books again
@joelross9911
@joelross9911 7 жыл бұрын
I'd actually really like to see the gatewatch be defeated on Amonket and have new charters introduced to follow. Honestly, id like to see the gate watch loose and time skip to when Bolis has almost taken over the universe (or if not that far a new plane he's taken over for a little while) introduce a new charter probably a plains walker who fights back his spark ignites and he goes off to search for these legendary heroes to fight back against Bolas. Id even be okay with taking a block off from this ongoing story just go to a cool random unique plain.
@Marlfoxmokkan
@Marlfoxmokkan 7 жыл бұрын
Arlinn Kord is my favorite Planeswalker by far, she just had such a neat story, though unlikely, she is the one character I want more information of and more story for
@rockwarlock9573
@rockwarlock9573 7 жыл бұрын
I think they did a great job with Narset, but that was before the Jacetice League
@alexmendozaarchdemonofburg7856
@alexmendozaarchdemonofburg7856 7 жыл бұрын
I'm tired of this PG13 justice league story. I want a rated R lone wolf story with Ob Nixilis. They can do a prequel story with him, then show where he is now, probably part of Bolas' planeswalker army.
@jeremiahabbott4469
@jeremiahabbott4469 7 жыл бұрын
Alex Mendoza nah mate he's a planes conquering badass he ain't one to share power, I mean this guy beat original gatewatch til Chandra came in. only reason they defeated him was he didn't know/ plan for Chandra
@DarthSironos
@DarthSironos 3 жыл бұрын
Game is 13+. Don't get your hopes up.
@WelkinShaman
@WelkinShaman 7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you Seiben and was actually thinking about this yesterday. I don't have anything against introducing new planeswalkers at all (it's great to have new characters), but I think one fundamental problem is the tempo they are introduced in. If more or less every block introduces one or two new planeswalkers, their number will explode in such a way that few of them will be given enough time and attention to develop into complex multifaceted characters. I really liked Arlinn Kord and her story and am still hoping for her to get a greater role at some point, but if Wizards keeps creating new and new planeswalkers seemingly to fill a game-mechanical role, I'm afraid many potentially interesting characters will become merely scribbles in the margins of Magic lore.
@ElricDrake
@ElricDrake 7 жыл бұрын
A planeswalker, I feel is mostly unknown or very little known, that I have always wanted to see is Sandruu. A Minotaur from back around the Homelands expansion. What is known about him is very interesting.
@Krishnath.Dragon
@Krishnath.Dragon 7 жыл бұрын
We have been told that these "one shot" planeswalkers will show up again. Remember, Tamiyo was long thought that she was a one off, yet we got a new Tamiyo in SoI block. They will return eventually.
@invisiblejellygaming6993
@invisiblejellygaming6993 7 жыл бұрын
They really need to bring out a movie. So many people would watch it and it would be a massive money opportunity for the wizards of the coast
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
They are making a movie.
@SuperPcPenguin
@SuperPcPenguin 5 жыл бұрын
i was very confused about this as we just had dovin return for 2 sets in a row and saheeli return in the latest set but then i looked at teh date. stupid me for not assuming it was recorded before all of this
@bernieklau8063
@bernieklau8063 5 жыл бұрын
2:30 Dovin gets a lot of focus later
@jordanc.9064
@jordanc.9064 7 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that they are going to kill a Planeswalker in Amonkhet, and unfortunately, it's not going to be Jace.
@trashfire9641
@trashfire9641 7 жыл бұрын
Jordin C. I hope it's Chandra.
@ee2204
@ee2204 7 жыл бұрын
Jordin C. nissa dies. calling it
@jordanc.9064
@jordanc.9064 7 жыл бұрын
Nissa is a solid guess. I could also possibly see Gideon go, which I'd be cool with if they somehow resurrected Elspeth later on (hoping against hope,I know). Heck, kill both of them. Or kill kill Jace, but bring him back as a zombie thrall to feed Liliana grapes for eternity. Unfortunately, we probably won't see until the second set in the block.
@ee2204
@ee2204 7 жыл бұрын
I said Nissa because she's...just boring. Her main interesting trait was resentment of non-elves, even elves outside her tribe, literally having to deal with this racism as she goes around. But after origins wotc just went "nono racism BAD" and now all her personality is in the chest area. Makes for a really fitting return for Garruk too, doesn't it?
@jordanc.9064
@jordanc.9064 7 жыл бұрын
DFL Pretty sad when your only interesting trait is your own closed-mindedness... I'd be perfectly happy with a Garruk return though! Maybe HE'LL kill Jace (nice irony), then make Liliana have to face her past, making for some good character development! ... Is it bad to fascinate how I would kill Jacetin Bieber?
@Dalenthas
@Dalenthas 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, Seiben, since you released this video it seems like local planeswalkers have taken up a more active role, with Samut, Huatli, and Teferi all being super important to their plane's storylines. What do you think of these changes, is it enough to please you or do you think they need to do more?
@AetherHub
@AetherHub 6 жыл бұрын
The whole idea of a Planeswalker is their identity to travel the multiverse. To have that power and contain their story to only their home plane still feels like a waste. I’m happy characters like Saheeli has seen bits of story coverage outside their original set, I want more of that!
@uncleistvan3501
@uncleistvan3501 7 жыл бұрын
Hopefully the return/revisit part of the cycles will slowly use the established resources and tie up loose ends
@Mattachu13
@Mattachu13 7 жыл бұрын
If the story hints and the leaked Atlazan booster art are anything to go by, hopefully we'll get a bit of development on one forgotten Planeswalker later in the year - Vraska
@Azura-16
@Azura-16 7 жыл бұрын
is there a reason you say Davin when talking about Dovin baan? is it a refrence to something or someone?
@Atogatog-j9v
@Atogatog-j9v 7 жыл бұрын
Since the topic is forgotten planeswalkers, I would like to see more of Domri Rade or Tibalt in the story.
@TheRaven067
@TheRaven067 7 жыл бұрын
the planeswalkers that are anti-hero, and/or background who have their own motives could team up. it'd be really cool to see a rival gatewatch with their own motives and reasoning to form a group. this way they're introduced into the story and have a story attributed to the group forming. they could introduce new cards and a new story so it's a win/win why not??
@frosslass7116
@frosslass7116 6 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping saheeli or huatli would join the gatewatch at some point in dominaria because of how awesome they could all be together
@rogermanzur3570
@rogermanzur3570 7 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I wish wizards would take more time to develop all the new planeswalkers introduced with every set. The gatewatch can be fun but I would love to see them interact with new planeswalker which could become recurring in later sets.
@ares6037
@ares6037 7 жыл бұрын
These recent planeswalker were there. They were given about a paragraph of development, and that was about it.
@AngelMageKnight
@AngelMageKnight 7 жыл бұрын
Very true. THe problem with reusing the gatewatch so much they have gotten stale. But yeah it would make more sense if the local planeswalkers got more involved in helping or opposing the gatewatch instead of being side characters.
@Rucarlos
@Rucarlos 4 жыл бұрын
We just have way too many walkers, or at least way too many goodie two shoes. It's hard to keep track of all of them and to care, they just feel untouchable and not even if the Phyrexians teamed up with Emrakul I'd feel any hint of concern for my favorite characters.
@CalderaWolf
@CalderaWolf 7 жыл бұрын
I sorta just randomly realized, they made the blocks 2 sets rather than 3 recently... but if you think about it they are really 4 Ok, zendikar happened, then they went to innistrad, which was still eldrazi based We went to kaladesh, and now we are headed to amonkhet because of what happened on kaladesh, so it seems that 2 blocks are sorta flowed into each other, making a sorta mega block Not sure if this really matters, just an observation, so after hour of devistatjon, should be a whole new topic
@victorvaldez8869
@victorvaldez8869 7 жыл бұрын
I agree completely that we need to see more of the native Planeswaklers & perhaps get more caught up with some other familiar faces. What's Garruk been up to for example? One idea for how to get some of the Planeswalkers into the limelight is a fairly simple one. Why must the Planeswalkers always be facing one another or the good guy. I am sure Tibalt or Vraska would be nightmares on any Plane they visit & without another Planeswalker to help it would be an immense uphill battle to take them out. That is what makes for great storytelling is when the heroes have an uphill climb, so imagine lone heroes of a plane trying to take out the great sadist Tibalt, the nightmare smith Ashiok, or the great feind Ob Nixilis. Why do we have to have Planeswalkers always be the Heroes of the set?
@KoboldPaladin
@KoboldPaladin 7 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a set were the gatewach are someway not able to do anything and a bunch of one offs take the staring roll
@noamisaac
@noamisaac 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe Dovin is still in Kaladesh, pulling the strings of one of the consuls?
@houndoom73
@houndoom73 7 жыл бұрын
I would like to see more plainswalkers be involved in the story in the future but I also really like the 5 main walkers in the gatewatch and am content with sticking mostly to their stories, at least for now. I really want to see jace and liliana's relationship explored more in the future. I also want to see what wizards has in store for nissa and chandra
@maxheath1158
@maxheath1158 7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. I was excited in particular for Arlinn Kord, as her unique abilities and personality are really like nothing we've seen before and I thought she could have been an extremely compelling character. Instead, she was binned practically as soon as Wizards created her. She appeared only in shadows block, and even then her role in the story was tangential and minor at best. It really disappointed me. I hate it when Wizards throws new walkers down the drain. Think about Dovin Baan. His struggle over whether it was better to follow authority or listen to his own morality could have provided a touching story if wizards had decided to follow him for more than one set. Maybe after Kaladesh he drops the blue and becomes mono-white, or incorporates red and becomes jeskai. New walkers aren't just opportunities for profit. They're a chance to create unique new stories, and they shouldn't be thrown away like they're trash.
@DMwithoutPCs
@DMwithoutPCs 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with this problem, clearly caused by the focus on the Gatewatch. I hope that after Ahmonket, we will see the gatewatch scatter a bit more, and only see a subgroup of the gatewatch each expansion. that would give the natives mlre chamce to shine, as well as the individual members of the gatewatch. they spread their contend a little too thin now.
@54m0h7
@54m0h7 7 жыл бұрын
Magic The Gathering: Adventures of the Gatewatch. Seriously.. I've been playing since Kaladesh and I'm ready sick of seeing Gideon, Jace, Chandra, Nissa, and Liliana for everything. I can get for story purpose they want to follow a path, but they should at least have the old ones come back more often. Like, have Soren show up in Amonket or something.
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
Bolas is gonna be the central villain over the next two blocks so you have that to look forward to.
@Odd_Magus
@Odd_Magus 7 жыл бұрын
thats not really much better since everything is some how his fault, he's MTG's doctor doom. hell I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't ended up orchestrating the return of and inevitable war for conquest of the phyrexian's.
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
danielninjaman You wouldn't be surprised but it's also really unlikely we'll see Phyrexians anytime soon. I think hearing what he's been up to since we last heard from him is going to be pretty interesting. As for him being behind everything, I think they're trying to make the villains more cooperative so they stand a chance at pulling one over on the Gatewatch. It makes sense anyway
@MyYouTube30335
@MyYouTube30335 7 жыл бұрын
did you just say "you've been playing since kaladesh" in a complaint? That's 1 set, and MM3. so not very long
@mortaldanger5543
@mortaldanger5543 6 жыл бұрын
I should check vids you have already put out before mentioning this stuff in your Twitch chats lol. I want more Arlin Kord and I want more Angrath and more Huatli! Gimme planeswalkers that aren't in the gatewatch MTG!
@sphinxy2465
@sphinxy2465 6 жыл бұрын
a planeswalker so forgotten, he was forgetton on a list of forgetten planeswalkers. rip domri rade.
@michaelcabangbang
@michaelcabangbang 7 жыл бұрын
lets make a list shall we? Dovin Baan, Arlinn Kord, Ashiok, Tibalt, Tamiyo, Saheeli, Narset Any more guys?
@jeremiepanyszak3058
@jeremiepanyszak3058 7 жыл бұрын
I agreed with everything that you said, but you do need to have the mains characters for a while to lead to a big moment. Think of it as an hour glass, we are just going through the small hole in the middle, but the space will expand later. You need the right time, story wise, moment or patience for this big expanse on other characters.
@jeremiepanyszak3058
@jeremiepanyszak3058 7 жыл бұрын
Also to add a though, malades have the "new heroes" ( gatewatch) and add some old planeswalker like tezzeret, ajani. Even tamyo was brought back in the last block. So maybe a mix of the already now, the new and the old?
@samtheactualkenku6205
@samtheactualkenku6205 7 жыл бұрын
Well Huatli is a consistent part of Ixalan's story, though Angrath has had only two appearances so far, both involving Huatli
@shryque
@shryque 7 жыл бұрын
The problem is how they're telling the story now, in small micro-episode articles instead of how they did it during the time of Urza, Mishra, Karn, The Weatherlights, etc. The Magic lore and story line literally needs to be produced as a full story with a book or novel for each set. It would give them time to develop characters and create spin-off arcs and even one shots.
@dep7910
@dep7910 7 жыл бұрын
I wanna see a set where we get ten different 2-colored planeswalkers from magic's past who fight Nicol Bolas with the gate watch.
@zepaduse97
@zepaduse97 7 жыл бұрын
I hope after aether revolt it takes focus off gatewatch and puts a focus on ajani in dominaria
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
zepaduse97 I could go for some older characters cardified
@sasukekuniski1959
@sasukekuniski1959 6 жыл бұрын
no
@Volkbrecht
@Volkbrecht 7 жыл бұрын
Two thoughts towards that topic: First, there is no such thing as too many loose ends of a story line. I'd even go as far as saying Wizards lets the writers do that on purpose so that they can always bring those guys in deus ex machina style if necessary or just make up reasons to go back to a certain plane if they feel like it. Second, and I think I remember reading that on the actual magic homepage, not every planeswalker card represents an actual planeswalker, they sometimes just up some characters to that status in order to get to their planeswalker count determined by the design of the set.
@noamisaac
@noamisaac 7 жыл бұрын
who is the "other folk" from flow of ideas (morningtide)
@ryugakuroyami466
@ryugakuroyami466 7 жыл бұрын
Well, here's an idea. Maybe that's why it's called Hour of Devastation. They might could kill off at least half, but not whole, of the Gatewatch. And then we could be like, um... OK. Walker list please outside the Gatewatch? Uh-huh. OK. Dovin, Tamiyo, Arlinn, and maybe even Karn could be badass for the Gatewatch.
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
They're not going to kill more than one during any given block. They may vanish or become trapped but there's no way Lili, Jace, Chandra, or Ajani are going to get offed to make the story more interesting. They're too popular and frankly Lore-wise most of them are too powerful.
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
Ryuga Kuroyami I hope jace gets iced
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
Alternatively we could see them split up due to creative differences and maybe even pull a Captain America: Civil War
@jeremiahabbott4469
@jeremiahabbott4469 7 жыл бұрын
Ryuga Kuroyami not karn no way should he be in the gatewatch, it would be impossible to defeat, till he takes a nap and needs a new spark...RIP Venser
@ericjimenez4360
@ericjimenez4360 7 жыл бұрын
Ryuga Kuroyami no more gatewatch members but I would be ok with them killing off a huge number of them (besides ajani the man just got back into the lore) which is actually possible as it happened during the invasion arc with the nine Titans.
@fabiodamas1995
@fabiodamas1995 7 жыл бұрын
i agree with you. i would love so see tibalt back but i know he is dead. what koth? venser? domri?
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
MrGambas venser is dead and lots is presumed dead (or compleated) unfortunately. Domri could still come back, though
@allenyang5697
@allenyang5697 6 жыл бұрын
...and now we know what Saheeli Rai was for... To give us robo-dinos on Kaladesh and Ixalan! Well, and also mentoring the newest planeswalker!
@JediMB
@JediMB 7 жыл бұрын
Saheeli's last name is pronounced like "rye". Also, I personally really liked that she preferred to use her abilities to build things rather than fight. Dovin Baan had a lot of really nice moments in the Kaladesh story, especially when he decided to bring Baral, someone on his own side, to justice in the middle of a rebellion. And of course I love Arlinn Kord and hope to see more of her, but her power set didn't seem particularly relevant to the battle against Emrakul, and her transformation abilities being dependent on the moon of Innistrad makes her seeing some action on another plane rather unlikely. I'd wager that she'll be more important next time we visit her native plane, with the Eldrazi out of the way and all.
@matthewacker7796
@matthewacker7796 7 жыл бұрын
Dovin pulled a Tibalt!
@christopheranderson9430
@christopheranderson9430 7 жыл бұрын
Wizards seriously needs to develop some of these planeswalkers.
@Charsiupao
@Charsiupao 7 жыл бұрын
I liked Dovin Baan. He wasn't as helpless as made out, though - his skill lay in analysing weaknesses, and a lot of the strategies employed centred around his insight on the Gatewatch. The way he disabled that Thopter knowing exactly how to do it was actually quite scary, but thankfully he never comes across as an antagonist or even dislikeable. I particularly loved how he enforced justice and had Baral imprisoned for life once he had proof. I'm glad he survived, but I also wondered why he left. Perhaps Tezzeret kidnapped him or something? After Hour of Devastation, I'd be happy for the Gatewatch to split up for a while, and have just one or two of them team up with Vraska for the next set. I'd also love to see Dovin Baan return, although I doubt he'll be a recurring character outside Kaladesh.
@johnnyscifi
@johnnyscifi 7 жыл бұрын
I gotta agree with you on this!!
@DarthSironos
@DarthSironos 3 жыл бұрын
Using the same recurring planeswalkers makes it much easier to design planeswalker cards. You don't have to invent brand new mechanics, just jostle around the CMC, +/- and change the mechanics of earlier versions of the planeswalker a little bit and you have a new card. Check the different versions ofJace and Garruk throughout the years. Imagine having to design brand new planeswalkers with brand new mechanics for each one? Would have been a lot more work.
@tomfrost6049
@tomfrost6049 7 жыл бұрын
+1 for Aussie Dovin Baan. As an Aussie, can confirm this claim.
@Lance_lana9817
@Lance_lana9817 7 жыл бұрын
the best way to put it is all the gatewatch is going to be one big soap opera that will drag on this story line so the wizards of the cost will just keep making revenue off of this way. story/ lore gets bad/boring and cards and new mechanics go up. what you should do if the lore gets really bad make up your own lore on this channel and see ware it could take you.
@AnimeProfilePicture
@AnimeProfilePicture 5 жыл бұрын
I'm from the future to tell you Dovin Bann is back
@Itachi45481
@Itachi45481 7 жыл бұрын
well I hope characters show up in the long game so arlin and others will bolas showed up in tarkir sort of and hinted till amonket maybe its the same with the others
@GalactcusSpartan
@GalactcusSpartan 7 жыл бұрын
1. If they only focused on one or two members of Gatewatch every plane arc with guest stars. Then the gatewatch wouldn't have gotten as stale but they keep on bringing all 5 of them to each plane. 2. Now that is the problem I'm having that blue and red only having one key planeswalker with Jace for Blue and Chandra for Red. At least Black has Liliana and Sorin, Green having Nissa and Garruk and White having Elspeth, Ajani and Gideon. (But Sorin and Garruk are now dual colors) 3. With all these races across multiple planes most of them are just humans or human-lite (aka kor, elves, vampire) , you have Tamiyo, Ajani, Karn, Ugin and Nicol Bolas being the only standouts in the main story. But at least most story planeswalkers are getting cards unlike during the Weatherlight/Legacy Weapon era, Invasion and Odyssey had its moments.
@DragonspineInfiniteZero
@DragonspineInfiniteZero 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they'll give the wanderer some development not too much just enough to keep the mystique and ambiguity; alos what ever happened to koth
@cassie5248
@cassie5248 7 жыл бұрын
I doubt we're getting another Arlinn, atleast for a while, since she's going to be a dfc
@Teifling
@Teifling 7 жыл бұрын
So, Ajani came back and joined the Justice League... where's Garruk? I doubt he'd join Bolas' Legion of Doom... and by legion I mean Tezzeret since Sarkhan deffected and fixed (ruined) Tarkir and ensured Ugin was around to tell Jace things... and scold him. Maybe Garruk is goingto be a wild card villain and will get into a random wilderness hunt with Ajani and Nissa? Elspeth is dead until next time.... Sorin is learning what drywall feels like.... Karn is some where.... Koth could be dead.... Tibalt. Tamiyo is home and backstaging it up. Vraska feels like a Bolas candidate though she seems hell bent on punishing ravnican law while ordering around her personal assassin guild who kills people in personally fitting ways. Domri. Ral has Niv Mizzet to distract. Xenegos is dead... or is he!? Ashiok. Kiora's getting a nose ring because adults are stupid and she hates you all. Narset has some history to uncover while Sarkhan has some present to live it up with. Ugin's cranky and needs his coffee. If you kids can stop messing things up for 5 minutes he might actually be able to get to some Dragonwalker business. Ob feels like a Bolas candidate or rival. He's definitely got a vengeful axe to grind. However, freedomprobably never tasted so sweet. Arlin is probably the most mature character yet and she's been swept under the rug. I feel this is a real crime. Nahiri shot her pent up revenge load and probably has nothing guiding her. I'm sure a reasuring and manipulative Papa Bolas would be happy to point her at whatever needa a good stabbin. And finally, Dovin and Saheeli. Theses two.... what are we going to do with you...
@sasukekuniski1959
@sasukekuniski1959 6 жыл бұрын
as yes venser lmfao
@PoosinP
@PoosinP 7 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about this
@dylan.1237
@dylan.1237 7 жыл бұрын
The gatewatch was a stupid idea in my opinion. Your right they can do so much with different planeswalkers and do something different every block so it never gets stale but they choose to do the same thing over and over and over???
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
Statistically speaking the story is more popular now than it has been in years.
@bobthegamingtaco6073
@bobthegamingtaco6073 7 жыл бұрын
Shawn Diaz Yes, but I'd say that has more to do with the sheer number of people joining and not the opinions of those people
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 7 жыл бұрын
Bob The Gaming Taco I was playing during Innistrad block and I didn't know a single person at the shop that could tell you the story at the time. Now everyone seems to have a loose grasp on it.
@Hhhhhh-sz9ud
@Hhhhhh-sz9ud 6 жыл бұрын
I think it'd be good if they didn't use them in every block. Like, they only gathered for major threats and not all the time.
@samitchman9147
@samitchman9147 7 жыл бұрын
Can we have another Tibalt please.
@mistertaz94
@mistertaz94 7 жыл бұрын
Saheeli was the Tibalt of the set lorewise. Anyways, BRING GARRUK BACK ALREADY WIZARDS! GDI! I just want them to kill off Nissa and bring back Garruk, AKA: The OG Green Planeswalker. Major factor of the story and after 2k15 what happens? He's gone. Like, just gone. Completely vanished from the story. What the hell Wizards.
@trap8798
@trap8798 7 жыл бұрын
Garruk doesn't count as a green planeswalker at this point, and I would further say he didn't deserve to be a purely green planeswalker in the first place. Garruk does not cultivate life. He ends life, hunting wild beasts for sport. Savagery and survival of the fittest are definitely themes of the green color, but a big game hunter really should not be the face of green. Making him green/black, I think, is what truly fits his personality from the beginning. His obsessive need to hunt, not for survival, but for sport, shows how unqualified he is to ever be a true "protagonist".
@lorddiddlywinkle8429
@lorddiddlywinkle8429 7 жыл бұрын
@Trap He only became that way after he was cursed by the Veil if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, assuming he can be cured he could be a good substitute for green.
@jasonbfleece9420
@jasonbfleece9420 7 жыл бұрын
Mister Taz He's dead
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
JasonBFleece the last time we saw him he was telling jace to fuck off. He isn't dead and I hope he stays that way
@HighTechRedneck9
@HighTechRedneck9 7 жыл бұрын
I think they're going to try an Avengers. We get The Gatewatch, which is like the Avengers, then we will see another team (I'd like to see Sarkhan, Narset, Saheeli, and Arlinn on a team. Idk why, I just would), who will be like The Defenders, then we'll see a team that will sort of be like The Illuminati, another that is like The Thunderbolts, etc. etc. Eventually, this leads to one HUGE villain (or multiple powerful villains) and one HUGE battle, where these planeswalker teams have to unite to defeat them. In the end, there are MANY losses, and MANY deaths. In the end, they defeat the villain, but decide to disband and planeswalk away. Most likely the Gatewatch would have some remnants, probably consisting of Ajani and whoever else he recruits, but it's just a thought.
@Traodea
@Traodea 7 жыл бұрын
>Eventually the gatewatch are going to get stale >Eventually
@trap8798
@trap8798 7 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone want Garruk back so much? Even before being cursed, he never really had any positive qualities. He's a hunter who kills for sport, using the entire multiverse as his hunting ground. Garruk is violent, goes completely against the green color on occasion (big game hunting isn't part of the natural cycle of life, and isn't great for the environment either) and in a way, inherently antagonistic. If he ever comes back, Garruk should be on the side of evil, probably manipulated by Nicol Bolas.
@cassie5248
@cassie5248 7 жыл бұрын
Or hunting Nicol Bolas, but still a villain. Then Bolas eats him or some shit
@fakegmale4648
@fakegmale4648 7 жыл бұрын
Trap he was at least interesting. He had character development and wasn't a brat *cough jace cough*
@NothingYouHaventReadBefore
@NothingYouHaventReadBefore 7 жыл бұрын
Trap Exactly. He's interesting, going against his colour sometimes, showing that he's capable of having more emotions and thoughts outside the limitations of his colour, therefore making it possible for his character to change and grow. The current cast does not do this however. Chandra had a nice little arc with her mother, but in the end is still the aggressive, impulsive person she always was. Gideon is still a walking bicep, Jace is a librarian with godlike powers which he uses to be a diplomat on his plane, Liliana is evil, and just evil. Nissa used to have an actual character, being racist and all that. But she even lost that, and now we're stuck with the boring justice league version of the breakfastclub.
@NothingYouHaventReadBefore
@NothingYouHaventReadBefore 7 жыл бұрын
The breakfast club did have actual characters though.
@jeremiahabbott4469
@jeremiahabbott4469 7 жыл бұрын
Berend de Liagre Bohl godlike powers I digress if he had any "Godlike" powers he'd be able to win a fight
@TheMainManQ
@TheMainManQ 7 жыл бұрын
so why hasn't ajani mentioned how they should grab koth and help mirrodin?
@jeremiahabbott4469
@jeremiahabbott4469 7 жыл бұрын
Brennan O'Loughlin I don't think Koth would leave New Phyrexia, btw All is One
@mergettheborgerhrunter3386
@mergettheborgerhrunter3386 6 жыл бұрын
Lol you didn’t even get to huatli or the amonkhet lady
@ZeriocTheTank
@ZeriocTheTank 7 жыл бұрын
The gatewatch will get old eventually. They need to spice things up with that threesome between Chandra, Gideon & Nissa.
@MyYouTube30335
@MyYouTube30335 7 жыл бұрын
she's dead, but not dead dead. Just in Erebos's realm
@albinoturtle4563
@albinoturtle4563 7 жыл бұрын
same want more janks bout tybalt fav based on character that is
@natanoj16
@natanoj16 7 жыл бұрын
Dovin Ban was in just around all the stories and change the tide of battle several times.
@ThisMightBeRyan
@ThisMightBeRyan 7 жыл бұрын
I'm really hoping Amonkhet bookends the Gatewatch saga... maybe one of the big five (probably Jace) are mortally wounded. With the Gatewatch dissolved, Nissa returns to Zendikar to help rebuild, Liliana remains on Amonkhet to rule in Bolas' stead, Ajani and Gideon return to Theros to save Elspeth, and Chandra returns to Kaladesh to help Sahili rebuild, allowing us to go elsewhere and experience something new without these stale walking tropes bogging down the story. Maybe eventually we could go back and revisit these characters, but its time for them to retire, and since they've curb stomped just about every big bad in MTG lore in the last few years, its about time.
@anthonymentalewicz5143
@anthonymentalewicz5143 7 жыл бұрын
Ryan Schiff I personally we get a garruk apex predator +1 twice. I want jace and lili to go.
@DracoSuave
@DracoSuave 7 жыл бұрын
Ryan Schiff Well, Emirakul actually defeated herself as her entire plan, New Phyrexia is biding it's time, and Bolas has a habit of turning his defeats into 'Just As Planned'
@natanoj16
@natanoj16 7 жыл бұрын
saheeli gave Rashmi the ability to finish her invention. without her tezzeret wouldn't be able to go on with her plans. but i agree that she got to little lore and stories.
@johannpohland2826
@johannpohland2826 6 жыл бұрын
Saheeli now leads a commander precon
@twarnold14
@twarnold14 7 жыл бұрын
I really liked Dovin. I thought he was a nice antagonist. He's no villain, and he's certainly competent. I do agree him abandoning the plane was silly. If he was going to be arrested or killed, he could have planeswalked then. Don't leave on the assumption that you will be punished. But yes, Arlinn and Saheeli completely got shafted. I want a set away from the Gatewatch. Maybe after they lose or something. Let us see another group do things for a change. Filler, I guess. Or an anti-Gatewatch, set up by Bolas. Just a block to give us a breather of Gatewatch before they become too stale.
@crystalhydra4779
@crystalhydra4779 7 жыл бұрын
Wizards will Probably put the gatewatch on the Bench after the Story block with Bolas. Unless they plan to have the gatewatch Either Attack New Phyrexia (Good luck Not Dying if they do) or Finish off Emrakul there's nothing left they can do
@GalactcusSpartan
@GalactcusSpartan 7 жыл бұрын
Depends what they do with the Dominaria block , if they either meet up there then agree to separate to gather forces or just regroup then attack with Ajani and friends to finish Nicol Bolas. 2nd one I highly doubt, because otherwise they would be blowing through previously established big bags with barely establishing any new big bads. Cause Ob Nixilis, Nahiri, and Garruk may be fun villians they aren't on the level of Phyrexians, Eldrazi, Nicol Bolas or Sliver level threats.
@voxkine9385
@voxkine9385 5 жыл бұрын
Thankfully we just got another Chandra set! Glad we aren’t examining new characters, that would be super inconvenient and actually grow the series....
@rachelstout6186
@rachelstout6186 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, what about Narset?!
@brighamschellinger147
@brighamschellinger147 7 жыл бұрын
I hope they use Arlinn as a gateway to move werewolves to other planes. that would be wicked.
@natehull9951
@natehull9951 7 жыл бұрын
I agree. I wish wizards would have more on other characters
@Lonewanderer6666
@Lonewanderer6666 7 жыл бұрын
The problem is that the MTG storyline IS a comic/movie! Or that's what Wizards wanted to do because it's following a safe formula as Marvel and DC comics... compare the gatewatch to "Superfriends" you get the same group of people with diverse power taking center stage, but also have other side characters that'll not take the spotlight and disrupt things. In fact you can see this trend of Wizards making Planeswalker disappear... Elspeth, Sorin, Garruk... It looks like Wizards is selling superfriends and will only deviate from the formula when we consumers gets tired of the MTG-Avengers.
@Hhhhhh-sz9ud
@Hhhhhh-sz9ud 6 жыл бұрын
Comics don't follow safe formulas that much, it's just comic-inspired media that does.
@FIREWARRIOR46
@FIREWARRIOR46 7 жыл бұрын
If any player isn't dead sick of Chandra Nalaar's little teenage mood swings by now I'll be surprised. And geez the green power ranger, Ashaya is still inside you all along!
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