The Trouble with Charlie Pace - LOST Episode Guide: The Moth

[@neutral1492]

I must say i love Charlie. I could identify myself with him on so many levels. The struggle to be better, the constant downbeating of myself, the need for support through others, the feeling someone is important and a chance to help, the selfdestructing tendencies, but also the kind, protective, caring and funny man, his loyalty and love. I was devasted when he died. Such an important character. Just a normal, struggling guy with huge problems, but also a good man who just need a chance among leaders, intrigants, millionaires and believers Although I never took drugs

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

There are definitely aspects of Charlie that I relate to and understand. He has admirable qualities, which are really brought out of him towards the end of his arc in Season Three. However, he remains the character whom I struggle with the most upon rewatches. Part of that is his behaviour throughout Season Two (particularly towards Claire) and part of it is Monaghan’s performance choices. That said, I weep every time he dies down in the Looking Glass. Such is the power of his final handful of episodes.

[@EricMoore790]

Locke doing the moth monologue is one of my favorite scenes in the show. So epic!

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Same here! Also one of my favourite moments and pieces of dialogue from the show. I talk about how much that speech resonates thematically throughout the whole series too.

[@Nerbil]

I love your analysis of my favorite show. Thanks and keep up the great work.👍

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

This is amazing! Thank you so much 🙏 Honestly, it all helps me to keep this project going. I really appreciate the support 😊

[@melissasalazar5297]

I just finished watching LOST for the first time and was so sad that I finished it. Finding your channel and these episode guides have been my HIGHLIGHT! I look for to seeing your analysis and interpretations for the entire series

[@jrave5353]

I just discovered this series of episode guides and have caught all the way up. These are incredible! Please see this project all the way though!!

[@cherrylattimore]

Oh man am I glad to see you; I so need this right now. I'm super loving these deep dives and am watching along with you. I wait until you post a video, go watch the episode the old fashioned way (on DVD, lol) and then come back to watch your review. So I'm sure I'll be back later tonight with a more knowledgeable comment, lol. Hope you're doing well and much love - your work is top notch. I'm always sharing it with other lost fans .

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Oh wow, that’s truly amazing to hear! ❤️ Amazing dedication right there. I wish I could produce these videos a little faster so you could watch more than one episode a month. It’s a long term project that will take many years to complete. You could always get ahead of the videos on here and finish the show in your own time then come back to view the episode guide as and when it suits you. Either way, I’m honoured to be part of your rewatch in any form 🙏

[@m0nkeywrench]

Wow, I'd never considered the link between Mr Eko & Charlie in regards to the drug trade, and the parallel with their relationship regarding religion, that's so interesting!

[@JHallenbeck]

Same here! Never occurred to me that they were different sides of the same coin in both the drug trade and the confession box.

[@taylor-tot3877]

YES!! Finally! I’ve been waiting for you to drop this! Thank you so much

[@erawa2740]

The Moth: my second favorite LOST episode after Walkabout. Super rich in symbolism and representative of the core themes of the show (solidarity, mutual help, progress through adversity, self-sacrifice, redemption, etc.). The interactions between the characters all enhance something significant and feel particularly organic. The scenes between Charlie and John are awesome and iconic. Charlie's journey is very moving.

[@Hornsby_Shackleton]

I'm just gonna copy my comment from the Patreon, gotta drive the algorithm! Lol, loved the head trauma montage. Makes me realize im looking forward to your guides for some of the more silly, trope-y episodes. Maybe you can do a "Why are you telling me this?" montage in the future. And I kind agree about Charlie. He never quite hits his stride as a character until season 3.

[@JHallenbeck]

Catching up on your guides. Some amazing work in here, my friend. I particularly loved the monatge of all the knockouts LOL! And this cut at 29:29 also made me laugh.

[@paolaferrari66]

Grazie, per noi lostiani😅ogni volta che pubblichi un video è come tornare là!❤ sull'isola!!! Lo spirito di sacrificio di ognuno dei personaggi ed il loro combattimento spirituale ci rappresenta perfettamente...e da un punto di vista di Fede, come tutti i peccatori, ci possiamo riconoscere... Indipendentemente da età, razza e religione, un messaggio ecumenico di trasformazione, evoluzioni spirituali di ognuno dei personaggi che cercano qualcuno, qualcosa ❤ e lo trovano qui ❤ grazie per i video, che ci portano la, in ogni tempo e ce lo mostri. Ciao a tutti! Buona giornata nuova! ❤ Splendido svegliarsi e trovare i tuoi video 💝 è un bel regalo!!! Grazie ancora e ciaoooo a tutti!🤗🥰🫶

[@radagast7200]

To think Charlie would go on to slay the Witch King... what a life he lived. In all seriousness, Charlie's catholicism is pretty interesting given he was a lead actor in a movie based on the most famous work of the most famous Cathloic author of all time... and Tolkien also had a talent of combining the catholic faith with mythology, which Lost is also pretty good at.

[@PokerPete702]

Love these rewatches. Thanks for making these videos.

[@camstersonofmerrill6687]

It's always such an awesome moment when I realize there's a new Episode Guide out that I haven't seen yet. I appreciate the research and thoughtfulness that goes into each video. I love this show and never tire of seeing it dissected and discussed. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights!

[@CarlosDias-er6dd]

Another great video from the best Lost KZbin channel!

[@Sleepy_Spaghetti]

I love how they didn’t have to answer weather or not Locke would’ve lost his ability to walk when he had to leave. They just had him break his legs before turning the wheel.

[@kevinw712]

especially as someone who's dealt with chronic pain for over 20 years due to back issues and nerve damage and several kidney stones, so I have an unfortunately long acquaintance with narcotic prescription pain medicines, I've always had a bit of a complicated relationship with Charlie's storyline (also why I relate to House more than any other character on TV lol) I realize it probably wouldn't have been dramatic, but for instance it almost certainly would've been wiser for Charlie to, with Jack's assistance/supervision, have him use the rest of his heroin at that point to do a taper down, instead of just going cold turkey. Initially I was a little bugged on how little his withdrawal experience was shown after that main episode, bc he would've had difficulty for at least another couple weeks, but theoretically in retrospect, the unusual healing capability of the island could explain the shorter span. Plus when he was even still on the plane, there's no real reason he would've allowed himself to get into such a level of withdrawal that he'd make himself that suspicious to the crew. He could've calmly gone to the bathroom and gotten fixed well before that. also I am a little surprised at your take about the actor portraying Liam and his accent. granted, as you are from the UK I feel like I kinda do have to defer to you to some degree (even tho yours is yet a different localized dialect from them still) I've always felt like I had a decent ear for accents, and it never even occurred to me he was an American just putting one on until they reference it in the DVD commentary for that episode. is this really a common opinion that you've heard a lot of other natural brits express? like I know you say "not quite dick van dyke level", but I wouldn't have put it anywhere even close to that.

[@m0nkeywrench]

Agreed the cold turkey thing is definately unrealistic & unfortunately a common trope in shows when addiction is explored. Tho I personally interpret his irritability, obsessive behaviour and desperate need to keep busy as the show progresses as a consequence of withdrawals, & I think the show did a good job there if that was what they were going for.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

For sure, medically speaking, Charlie going cold turkey for a day then getting better by the next isn’t realistic. But I think you’re right that we can assume The Island helped him through the worst of it. I think it’s also simply the nature of how the show was designed in that first season - i.e. the dilemma of the week has to be resolved by the end of the episode. And Charlie suffering for the rest of the season would have been difficult to sustain. The focus going forward becomes more on the struggle of him staying sober, which is easier to portray and make dynamic and dramatic storylines out of. We see that dealt with head on in Season Two with his temptation arc. I think they paint a more accurate picture of the rocky road of recovery than they do of the actual process of withdrawal. It remains a battle for Charlie over the next two seasons and I appreciate that they highlight his struggle. As for Liam, he’s not the worst English accent I’ve heard by any means. He’s trying to do a Mancunian accent too, which is hard for Americans. But as an Englishman I could tell immediately that he was an American just from how he comes down on certain words. It’s bothersome when the accent is off like that because it reveals the pageantry of a performance. They stop feeling authentic. I don’t know if other Brits felt the same as it hasn’t come up a lot; a few people that I watched it with back in the day knew it wasn’t a legit accent but I can’t remember anyone disliking it the way I do. I know there are Scots who take issue with Desmond’s ex-fiancée Ruth in Season Three! I remember that I used to think the guy who plays Claire’s psychic Richard Malkin - Nick Jameson - was a real Australian because his accent sounded genuine to my ear but it was only when I saw Australians critiquing it online that I found out the actor wasn’t a real Aussie. I had no idea! So, I think this is most likely a case of an accent only being notably “off” to native ears. Although some are more obviously and universally terrible than others. Anyway, Neil Hopkins is not the worst accent in the show, just one that bugs me personally and takes me out of his scenes.

[@kevinw712]

@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 for one thing, can i just say how much respect i have for you as a youtube creator if for no other reason than i left a pretty long comment myself, and you clearly read all of it. i did get a chuckle out of the one part of the video where you focus on that one woman that hurley speaks to as being another example of a bad accent, bc i fully agree with you there lol i mean i was already aware of that particular actress anyway as an american, but yeah her "australian" was especially cliche-level bad. granted, i think generally speaking, a mediocre accent doesn't necessarily kill a performance. for instance peter dinklage did overall fantastic work for years on game of thrones even tho his british dialect was consistently inconsistent. whenever just like a regular everyday person tries to do an accent just for fun, by far the most common way i've seen them gone wrong is they immediately do it as if it's like a broadway performance or something, going way too big. one of the very few things in life that i have confidence i can do well is convincingly imitate several different non-american accents (i've been obsessed with listening to bbc radio dramas for almost 20 years now, i have a huge collection) and i've found an important key is simply keeping a more simple, conversational tone.

[@joselopezforque8745]

Great as always👍

[@rakiyeaah]

I really like this episode by episode analysis series!!! It's so interesting and well done!!

[@26dollar]

i can handle gory scenes but i close my eyes during the accursed drive shaft music video

[@Debs_8]

Im loving these Episode guides! You're doing an amazing job and I appreciate the effort. Lost really needed a detailed guide per episode so we can absorb each one properly. Cant wait for the next! ❤

[@KhannUr7]

My headcanon explanation for all the knocking out and head trauma in the show is that the mystical healing properties of the island keep people from getting serious brain damage and concussions. Obviously its just a trope, but it at least somewhat explains why half the characters don't have serious brain damage. Though it doesn't work for off island head bonks, though there aren't many of those that I can think of off the top of my head.

[@m0nkeywrench]

I was impressed with how the show handled addiction through Charlie. Often shows will oversimplify the recovery process as just magically being clean after a cheesy moment, and I was kinda fearing that when Charlie's issue was adressed by Locke in the previous episode. But the opening scene of Charlie going through intense withdrawals immediatly quelled that fear. I can honestly say that Dominic Monaghan plays withdrawals in this episode really well, as someone who has dealt with addiction to drugs (nothing as bad as h*roin but still drugs that give you bad withdrawal symptoms) his portrayal is very accurate. And in my opinion I think some of your analysis of Charlie might be a bit off the mark, because I always interpreted his immature and irritable behaviour as symptoms of his withdrawals. Obviously you can't excuse all of his actions with this, but irritability and feelings of insecurity/worthlessness are absolutely part and parcel of withdrawals. When you are going through it you can be extremely touchy, and any minor inconvinience/irritation, exacerbated by paranoia, can make you act out impulsively. Like the iconic "I'm a bloody rock god!"and his desperate need to feel valued very much felt like the sort of things one would do going through withdrawals; feeling worthless and getting paranoied by small comments that you interpret in the worst way possible. Also his eagerness to "keep busy" to the point of trying to include himself in everything imo stems from his constant need to keep his mind distracted from the yearning hunger for his drug. I think his obsession with Claire and the baby can be interpreted that way too, it's a perfect wholesome distraction from his darker urges. The baby is basically a dopamine generator for him in place of his drug. Funnily enough I can relate in a small way, when I got a kitten it helped sooo much in my recovery because it was a wholesome distraction, something to take care of and keep me busy, and very much a dopamine generator. EDIT: I made this comment midway in the video and I can see you've come to similar conclusions and have a more nuanced take, his addiction definately does not excuse all his wrongdoings, but I think some of his actions in later series still stem from his addiction, because recovery is a very long process & relapses aren't the only pitfalls you fall into during the journey to sobriety

[@realethanify]

There was always something I didn't like about Monaghan's performance, and you summed it up really well. Anther great analysis, looking forward to the next one!

[@BadAssSmoke]

Hope to see more videos soon, thank you

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Definitely! The next episode is coming in a couple of weeks before the end of the year. 👍

[@zoocha]

a trope I love on the show is the "in case ya haven't noticed" line

[@TheIndianJesusOfficial]

I love Charlie so much because I resonate with his life as an addict. I love trainspotting lol. The ask me 3 times things was so perfect and the immaturity of addiction was so perfectly portrayed early on I actually think you may be missing some of how accurate some of the nuances are. You judge the actor for the actor giving you exactly what Charlie was supposed to be. Please continue thru the whole series!!! 🤘🤘🤘

[@ThePlandemicPodcastof]

I think ima rewatch the series thanks to you!…..plus got fired from my fav job needa move on now with closure

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Sometimes the best times to rewatch LOST come during difficult or uncertain times in our real lives. It is like spending time with an old friend. I have found the show to be a big comfort watch over the years. Very sorry to hear that you are dealing with tough times right now. Wishing you the best going forward. Destiny calls!

[@ThePlandemicPodcastof]

@ I had an argument with them that led me to say very harsh words…..just move on from it

[@SameBasicRiff]

Commenting again for algo hype and to say you rock again :)

[@exhaustpipes]

24:39 Never realised this until now, that they were opposite sides of the same coin...

[@bluesrock4035]

After all, Locke was not like a moth; not strong enough to survive. He is just a complex character. He was right about many things, but not all. He was wise but still easily manipulated by MIB. He helped other group members but was ready to harm them if they didn’t follow his agenda. I have always wondered how there are so many fans who see only his positive side and ignore the negative one. Anyway, a great, interesting, well acted and written character.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Locke is definitely a complicated fellow, and I agree that people can often oversimplify his character to being one thing or another. I discuss my thoughts on Locke in more detail in the episode guide for Walkabout. In retrospect, his character arc is clearly more of a cautionary tale about blind faith than a hero’s journey about the rise of a special messiah-like figure (which is what we thought we were seeing with him the first time around).

[@MagicJacket]

LOST did feature frequent knocking-out of characters, but it’s okay. No permanent damage due to the Island’s recuperative powers.😀

[@TectonicImprov]

Much like a lot of viewers, when I first watched the show Charlie was a favorite character of mine but upon rewatching my opinion of him lowered a bit. Not to the point that I dislike him, but Dark Charlie and the things you pointed out in this video (overacting, etc) did grate on me more than they did when I was younger. I do think his arc ends on a high note, though. Also gotta love that to show Liam is clean of drugs and has his life together, they gave him a knit sweater and some glasses. Lost is so unsubtle sometimes lmfao

[@jcphillips4101]

I’m a new fan and I love your vids! One thing that grabbed my attention for some reason is the phrase “don’t tell me what I can’t do!” It seems Locke says it a lot but I think I remember other characters saying it too. Also what’s up with John Locke being called John Locke (the philosopher)? Since the first episode I thought that was going to be a plot point but it was never even mentioned

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

There are several characters named after philosophers in the show - Danielle Rousseau and Desmond Hume come to mind. The writers often referenced real figures like that and connected characters to their respective philosophies or concepts. If you think about the real world John Locke’s philosophical outlook, he believed in the individual’s right to be free and equal because “the creator grants life” not man. Liberty is a right. To be able to choose for one’s self is a right. In other words: “Don’t tell me what I can’t do.” So there is some fundamental overlap with real Locke’s philosophical principles and fictional Locke’s systems of belief. Later, Charles Widmore gives Locke the name of Jeremy Bentham, who was a philosopher in opposition to some of real world Locke’s ideas on rights and the individual.

[@jennaalcalaa]

I always think of this episode and Locke’s monologue when I listen to The Moth by Manchester Orchestra (amazing band y’all, check them out if you don’t know!) Personally I’ve always loved Charlie… except when he starts getting super weird with Claire. But I think if I were a survivor, I’d be spending my time laughing by the fire with Charlie and Hurley.

[@SomeAndrewGuy]

Being Scottish myself I knew what you were gonna say about Desmond haha

[@MeaningSeekerPod]

Great. As per usual. 🌀

[@laurencegroen9096]

This is soo good dope

[@SameBasicRiff]

Forever LOST !

[@UncleFlaynus]

10:34 fuckin right, mate😂😂 makes me skin crawl every time.

[@TwilightLimits-sk7kn]

I never noticed until now but his brother never looked for him (or his dead body) after the plane crash. We only see his brother in flashbacks

[@donm5354]

First! Great to see a new video on this cool damp Saturday. My favorite song is from DRIVE SHAFT: (YOU ALL )EVERYBODY [Instrumental Intro] [Verse 1: Liam] You all, everybody You all, everybody Acting like you're stupid people Wearing expensive clothes [Chorus: Liam & Charlie] You all, everybody You all, everybody You all, everybody [Refrain: Liam] You all, everybody (You all, everybody) You all, everybody Acting like you're stupid people Wearing expensive clothes [Outro: Liam] You all (You all, everybody) You all, everybody You all, everybody You all, everybody

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

It’s the anthem of a generation really.

[@r_r_rye2441]

A quick comment on the accents, I watched the first couple seasons of this show with a woman from Korea. She could tell the difference between Yunjin Kim's born and raised in Korea accent and Daniel Dae Kim's born in Korea but raised in the US one. She frequently criticized the quality of Jin's Korean.

[@sachinryanv1]

I think you should do a character analysis series after this

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I plan to incorporate character analysis into these episode guides and I shall cover every single arc of every major character through this format.

[@iainmclaren1556]

I'm from Scotland and I have to agree with the statments about Desmonds drinking lol 😂

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

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[@MauMenzori]

Hey there, Mr. Editor and owner of LOST EXPLAINED. I began re-watching the series because of Netflix recently (due to the fact my wife still hasn't seen it yet) and we're already on Season 5. Luckly for HER, I am a big fan of your channel and have seen a bucket load of your 1 hour+ lore videos in order to solve most of her questions whenever they appear, but there is one incoming doubt which I AM SURE she'll ask as soon as the plot reveals itself, and for this one in particular, I won't have an answer! With that said, I'd kindly like to ask for your assistance so I can be well informed and solve the riddle along with her when the time comes, because as it stands right now, it makes absolutely no sense. So yes, SPOILERS AHEAD for Season 5. Beware: Regarding Locke's coming from the dead. After Oceanic's Six return to the island, some of the Losties move to the past while the rest stay in the present, "zombie" Locke being one of them. But I remember this is not Locke anymore, instead, it is merely the Smoke Monster manipulating his puppet body. So far so good. But here is the problem: The Ajira airplane lands on the SECONDARY island of Hydra Station! Its not the main land! How ON EARTH was the monster able to take control of Locke's body, if it cannot cross the ocean in the first place? At least, that's what I gathered after watching your videos... it fears water. If you or anyone else could explain, please. Thank you very much!

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

That’s great that you and your wife are enjoying the show together, and that my videos are proving to be useful. In regards to your question about Fake Locke, it comes down to The Island radius - the electromagnetic bubble that surrounds the area like a snowglobe. That bubble encompasses a radius that includes Hydra Island and the Looking Glass station and the body of water between all of them. The Man in Black can travel anywhere within that bubble, including to Hydra Island. He is not afraid of water, he simply claims that he cannot fly over water in his smoke form. Whether or not that is true is left open to interpretation. We see that he is able to travel across water in human form, and we see that he can teleport himself within the bubble too. So that is how he moves between those locations. I hope that clarifies things! 🙏

[@MauMenzori]

@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Definately helped. He could just as well have infiltrated a random dead body coming from the Main Island right after the Ajira plane crashed. Makes sense. Thank you for your time and in-depth response, friend. Keep up the great work on this channel!

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I think he used Christian to travel across to Hydra. We see Fake Christian greet Sun and Lapidus at the barracks. After he tells them to wait for Locke, he goes over to Hydra, finds Locke’s body, transforms into Fake Locke, then meets Ilana and the other Ajira passengers.

[@MauMenzori]

@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 That could be as well. I always get confused wether Christian is the monster impersonator, or merely a ghost speaking on behast of Jacob. Anyways, in season 5, I wonder how soon does Ilana manage to open the metal casket and realize Locke is dead and there is actually a secondary "zombie" version wandering about. We even have that scene where Ben and fake Locke are taking the boat to leave Hydra and move to the main island, but there comes Caesar followed by two men trying to stop them from leaving. Ben shoots Caesar, and they carry on with their plan. I imagine it was Ilana that originally asked Caesar to go and stop Locke somehow, because she knew something was off.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Christian on The Island is always The Man in Black. I actually made a video all about the ghosts and apparitions on The Island, and I break down who was who. Every appearance by Christian serves the Man in Black’s schemes and manipulations. There are no ghosts who speak on behalf of Jacob other than his own ghost in Season Six. There are some ghosts who come back to help characters like Hurley, and are technically working on behalf of The Island, but Jacob isn’t conjuring them or controlling them. They are free agents, so to speak. Here’s the video: Explaining the Apparitions and Ghosts in LOST - LOST EXPLAINED FAQ kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHzdapxoqLpni9E

[@colinthedogfromspaced9365]

My parents, my sister ,my grandparents, all 6 pairs of aunts and uncles and my 10 cousins are Scottish, I'm the only sassenach in the family and right when you mentioned desmonds drinking I was swigging ma wee dram !

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Perfect timing! 😆

[@rochamonica]

Thank you for your videos. Although I agree that the head traumas and concussions miraculously healed are lame excuses, almost laziness in writing, with all the head bangs and knockouts, I'd like to remind you that in Lost's case this kind of troup can be attenuated by the Island's magic healing power. It is, of course, too exaggerated and forced upon us many times but it is an excuse nevertheless...

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I don’t mind the trope too much and I think we can certainly use The Island’s healing ability as an explanation to keep it all internally consistent. It’s more the frequency of how often the show uses the trope to get out of conflicts and situations.

[@zcvideos7332]

I have a question, not abot Charlie's charachter, if the purpose of the Island is to keep a balance between good and evil, and the evil is pretty much the smoke monster, what was the purpose of the island before the smoke monster was created? Was Mother a smoke monster aswell? probably, but yet after the death of fake J.L. at the end of the show what was Hugo and Ben job on the Island if there was not a monster anymore?

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Great question! I have actually made a whole separate explainer series that covers the core mythology of the show, including explanations about the nature of The Island, who Mother was, what happened to facilitate the need to place a cork in that cave, Jacob and MiB’s role in those events, and how our Losties time travelling actions are key to understanding most of that backstory. I recommend that you watch my six part Theory of Everything series, especially the first two parts, which will shed light on your questions in crazy detail: LOST EXPLAINED - The Theory of Everything kzbin.info/aero/PL5iTj9psbPrNovFOg4pJJIyxiLAv2WAKB

[@exhaustpipes]

Locke is a wise cat

[@Daddyoh94]

We have to go _BACK!_

[@blacksoulll4327]

Do you have a channel breaking down the " From " Series I can subscribe to ?

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Haven’t seen From yet, but I will catch up with it eventually.

[@blacksoulll4327]

@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Nice! Looking forward to hear your breakdowns...

[@TheDarkSideOfIndustry]

I really wised Lost explored more religions other than just Christianity. They touched upon Islam a bit with Sayid but the whole flash sideways fits very well with the Jewish religion. Especially the whole souls returning back to where they came from aspect which is a massive part of Judaism. And in the pilot in the background you can see a man wearing a Kippur for about 2 seconds. They really should have explored more religions and linked them with the island

[@m0nkeywrench]

Good point! I hadn't considered it but yeah Lost is very Christian-centric, makes me think of the church in the final episode having stained windows with religious symbols from some of the major world religions, it's a shame that was the only real reference to them

[@TheDarkSideOfIndustry]

@@m0nkeywrenchI also heard that Lapidas apparently was Jewish and they never even explored his faith of beliefs which was disappointing

[@m0nkeywrench]

@@TheDarkSideOfIndustry Oh damn yeah it's a shame that wasn't explored more, especially since Lapidus quickly became a fan favorite & a great character right from his introduction. The scene where he witnesses Locke's body would have been a perfect opportunity for at least a one-liner regarding his faith

[@TheDarkSideOfIndustry]

@ he should have said “El Shaddai” which means “God all mighty” what would have fitted perfectly

[@Dontkissthedog]

🤣🤣 “you little hobbit” I’ve got to stop laughing and go back to the start. Best opener yet! So happy to see another video, thank you for making our weekends even better 🥳

[@Thee_Anti_Christ]

I love the channel.. made me see Lost from a different point of view! So after watching your videos one after the other I rewatched the show and I think you missed the whole point of the show! I don't blame you because you had your hands full with making sense of Lost! If you want to know what I am talking about let me know! Thanks for the entertainment

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

No thanks, I'm good 🙃

[@Thee_Anti_Christ]

@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Spoiler for anyone that wants to know! The Smoke monster got off the island... That's not John Locke at the end Hurley gave John "man in black" a job called the substitute!!! If you pay attention to the dialogue and the scenes in that episode it's clearly not John...

[@NicoleJara445]

Can you do a live so we can make questions about the show? It doesn’t need to be you in the picture. Other idea would be watching the episodes with your explanation in it. Just some ideas. BYE...here Staying lost ...

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I do Q&As on my Patreon. Have yet to do them for KZbin, but it is something I shall consider doing in future. It could be fun!

[@Desti-1077]

The thing that bugs me the most about Charlie’s arc is that his death was absolutely unnecessary logically. With how fast Desmond escaped the looking glass, and the volume of space within the structure, compared to the flow rate of water coming in, they both could have very easily escaped. Obviously this undercuts the emotional beat of the entire episode and beyond. But if they wanted to do that, they should have at least made it plausibly necessary.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I discuss this in an older video on Desmond's flashes and Charlie's death. There are a few things about the death scene itself that people have criticised: Why couldn't Charlie close the door from the other side? Why couldn't he swim out of the window? Would the room really have filled with water to the top? There are answers/explanations to each of those questions. However, the point of the scene is that Charlie does not have time to stop to tell Desmond that a grenade is about to explode and blow open the porthole, and he also sees that nothing is going to stop Desmond from getting through that doorway to speak to Penny. The explosion would depressurize the station and the moon pool. I disagree that Desmond would have survived that. But all of this happens in a split second and Charlie reacts fast; on instinct. It's a conscious choice to lock himself in and Desmond out. Charlie has been mentally preparing himself for his own death for a while now and is willing to sacrifice himself for others. He has been told that he can either die for something (i.e. helping his friends and loved ones find rescue) or he can die randomly for nothing (an arrow to the neck, a bolt of lightning to the heart, etc.). He chooses to die for something meaningful. To give his death a purpose. And in that moment, as water fills the room, he finally realises that Desmond's vision was destiny. He was *supposed* to die here, so that his friends will achieve rescue. And he chose to accept his fate. Whether or not he could have escaped or survived had he done A instead of B is immaterial to that.

[@Desti-1077]

@ I buy the destiny explanation you just gave. But completely disagree on the depressurization. Yes, it would cause the water to rush into the low pressure station. But all this would do is fill the station up. And the it would not fill instantly. The station had a huge volume and that buffer would be more than enough time to dive into the water and swim back up. As soon as you’re in the water, the pressure is moot. In order for it to be an actual explosive decompression, the station would have to be so deep they could never swim down to it. And if he had left the door open, they could have escaped together and he could have given important info. And I’m sure a grenade exploding would stop Desmond from getting into the room to talk to penny. So yeah. Still don’t buy the logic in that sense. However, your point of destiny and such is very apt within the framework of the show. And does help my distaste for the scene. Edit to add to my reasoning that the decompression wouldn’t be so catastrophic. If it was, Charlie would have been instantly obliterated. The pressure differential from water to radio room is no different than the water to the rest of the station. And look how long it took the room to fill up. If Charlie survived being immediately in the other side of the window of the grenade, no way in hell was it gonna just take out Desmond and the rest of the station.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I just thought I'd add a few further points for your consideration. Swimming down to The Looking Glass was not the same as swimming back up. Charlie was weighted down for the swim while Desmond used the rope to reel himself in there (in a frantic hurry no less). Both men are gasping when they emerge in the moon pool, so the timing is dangerously tight for holding one's breath as it is. The journey back up will be slower and harder than the journey down. Which is why Desmond is getting the diving gear ready for their return journey. At this point (as Charlie goes to turn the jammer off) the two men are preparing to get into the diving suits and swim back up to the surface without the worry of time. However, a depressurized station and the moon pool rushing in would make getting into those suits much harder and a safe swim back to the surface less likely. Perhaps more importantly, Charlie doesn't know what the consequences of a grenade going off beside this station is going to be exactly, or what it will do to the station or to Des. For all he knows the whole room is about to explode or be crushed by the pressure. He is protecting Desmond in that moment, an instinctual reaction to save the man who has spent the whole season saving him. He finally gets to return the favour. Charlie does manage to warn Desmond anyway, they hardly needed to have an in-depth chat about it. All Charlie knew was that the freighter was not Penny's boat. So, he makes the right call in that moment. Desmond will now have time to put on his suit and tank, and return to the surface safely to tell everyone else "Not Penny's Boat". There are still physics issues with this whole sequence regardless of how and why Charlie does what he does, but like many aspects of the show we have to suspend a bit of disbelief.

[@Desti-1077]

@ haha. Once again, agree with the assertion of the limited time to react and therefore he did was he thought best to protect Desmond and lead to the rescue of everyone else. Didn’t touch that on my first reply. Internally I kinda grouped that into the destiny comments which I also agreed with. But once again I gotta push back on the physics of swimming up. When not fighting buoyancy, the ascent would be pretty simple. Even with the weights and other assistance in descending, if you can make it down in one breath, you’ll be able to rise up in one as well. And I still think they probably even woulda had time to slap on an air tank and regulator. But now I am just arguing physics in a fiction show. And as you said, sometimes we just gotta suspend disbelief. At the end of the day, I just feel the visual representation of how it played out felt hollow to me. But given your points I have agreed with, and as I mentioned last comment, it does take away some distaste for the scene. I just wish it was executed better visually. Still a great episode. Just got started on your videos, and am enjoying them so far. Looking forward to seeing what else you have come up with through the show.

[@Bigbubba3031]

glad I am not alone in thinking Charlie is a weak character.

[@mycabbages3538]

I love Charlie and his acting. He’s funny when paired with Hurley. Charlie and Locke together are great! I hate that they gave him nothing to do other than obsess over Claire. When he kidnaps Arron I get extremely annoyed with the writing. It’s kinda hard to redeem his character after taking him so far. He should have just been a been surrogate father. Peanut butter. Guys where are we?

[@jimmilton6644]

why didnt yt give me the notification 😡

[@majipoorcat]

If the cave was stable, shouting wouldn’t have caused it to collapse. Charlie was responsible for much but not the cave in.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Ah that’s interesting, I never really saw it like that but it’s a fair point. I suppose the cave would have been too dangerous to use regardless since it was unstable enough that a simple shout could cause it to collapse. Although I suspect that they would have found out sooner or later that it wasn’t stable enough, especially if Michael had gotten in there for an inspection. Charlie was still the catalyst for it to happen when it did and the way that it did.

[@buddystewart2020]

Yeah, some of the acting choices for the character Charlie are campy and weak. I feel the same way about Hurley too. Neither one of them are in my fav characters list. I just sort of deal with them. There are also some good moments from them. For the places where I don't like their acting, I always blamed that on the director. I mean, isn't he the guy in charge of getting the performance he wants from the actors on film? I felt like, if it made it to the final cut, he must have wanted it that way, for some reason. So, I blame him more than the actor.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I agree that the directors are to blame to some extent, particularly in the episodes where Monaghan is vastly overdoing his performance and trying too hard to be funny. It’s their job to reign the actors in on set when they are off the mark or not bringing the right energy to a scene. However, based on some of the things series director Jack Bender (and guest directors) have implied, it was sometimes difficult to direct certain members of the cast because directors aren’t as powerful in the TV world. They are more the ones for-hire and the actors had bigger cache. For example, Bender talks about how directing Matthew Fox was a challenge because Fox was so immersed in playing Jack that he felt he didn’t need to be directed/managed in that way, which forced Bender to be more diplomatic in his directing. Also, the problem here might also be that the cast and crew all enjoyed watching Monaghan doing his “look at me” clowning around routine and might have actively encourage it. Not just directors but the writers/producers as well. There are multiple scenes when I felt Monaghan was doing waaaay too much but those are the takes that were ultimately used in the final edit. I think they liked what he was doing. But Monaghan wants to be funny and play up to the cast and crew more than he wants to be authentic sometimes. And it shows. I agree with you in part about Jorge Garcia’s acting not quite getting there in the first season. But I put that down to his relative inexperience at the time and how little there is on the page for Hurley in Season One. He is a very one note comic relief, and the “comedy” they give him is weak stuff. But his performance improves the more they develop him and the more experienced he became at playing the dramatic beats. For instance, his dramatic moments in Season One aren’t very good but when you compare those to what he does in the final two seasons, it’s night and day. Garcia really comes along leaps and bounds as an actor and we see him evolving across the show. For Hurley, it’s more to do with the writing. For Charlie, it’s more to do with the performance. But there is a little bit of both going on with both characters/actors. That’s just my take on it though.

[@buddystewart2020]

@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 ... Yeah, Garcia got better for sure. And I don't hate either guy, they're just not my favorite. Sometimes the comedy stuff works, sometimes, not so much. I've seen it so many times I've found a lot of it depends on me. My own mood at the time. I didn't know the directors had problems, directing. That's interesting.

[@colinthedogfromspaced9365]

Talking of cringy accents, Desmonds "Scottish" girlfriend Ruth always makes me shudder.

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

Yes, Ruth comes up a lot in the pantheon of bad accents on LOST alongside Martha Toomey!

[@Dontkissthedog]

The writing was amazing how a few characters were kept almost unlikeable, and then right at the moment when it matters, you’re crying your eyes out for Jack or Charly!

[@NicoleJara445]

Why I watched this crap 14 years later? I am so upset about the end! ...(Although I really like the whole show) ...but It doesn’t explained all the loose loops and anything matters anylonger...leaving to get a normal life, saving the island, saving the world, pressing the bottom. I want some coherence! Why I spent time om this?? I am not watching Breaking Bad which is of the same creator. Now I will have to make a maraton av your videos😅

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

You’ll have less questions and loose ends by the time you finish the videos, I can guarantee that. If you’re looking for coherence and answers then I suggest you check out The Theory of Everything six parter which explains pretty much the entire series. You can watch the videos here: LOST EXPLAINED - The Theory of Everything kzbin.info/aero/PL5iTj9psbPrNovFOg4pJJIyxiLAv2WAKB

[@NicoleJara445]

I have just finished the videos and I am not angry with the show anylonger. Now we will have to watch the show again😅​ Thank you❤ @LOSTEXPLAINED108

[@florida9295]

My least favourite character of the main cast. Always blames other people for his failures.

[@commie_maybe]

I grew to utterly despise Charlie when he told Clare he found Peanut butter, only to reveal an empty jar. 🤷 Why tease her like that, you POS?

[@Dontkissthedog]

You asked for requests… please make an entire episode explaining the flaws in the use of the metal Johnsons they all wave around 😂 The worst one is when Lock pulls one out on Hurley 🤦‍♂️

[@LOSTEXPLAINED108]

I have read that some of the cast members actively had a running gag as to who could cock the most guns in the show.

[@Dontkissthedog]

@ 🤣 brilliant! This makes me feel so much better about the whole thing, honestly, it’s nice to know I’m not the only grouch that got annoyed with it 😂🙏