Secular Feminist: ‘Bring Back Christian Sexual Ethics’ | Guest: Louise Perry | Ep 674

[@timevampire83]

The fact that you are expected to have sex after the third date but modern society considers it weird or creepy to say I love you before six months of dating speaks volumes as to how far our society has fallen.

[@alexhuffvn]

That's crazy! The culture has completely normalized having sex with people you don't love. So thankful I got married young so I don't have to deal with all that crap! I will definitely encourage my kids to get married early in adulthood too!

[@briancarton1804]

A woman asked me if I was gay because I was not pushing for sex after five dates. Its not easy for a man to negotiate the dating world these days.

[@TeshuvahBibleStudies]

Now a days its after the first date... and the worst part is that is an expectation from both sexes. Girls will think you are gay or uninterested if you don't. I'm glad I'm already married and I feel fear for my daughter's future.

[@sarahsf6940]

@@briancarton1804 not easy for women either trust me... as soon as one decides to not play by the wicked rules of today's dating process one gets shamed in various forms by dates. but keep up the good standards, sometimes a man like you meets a woman like me and that makes for a potentially amazing match

[@briancarton1804]

@@sarahsf6940 Nice to see your comment. Where abouts do you live? Just curious.

[@aaronlevitt6820]

I worked in an office with a girl who slept around regularly with guys she met at clubs, and was totally open and even cheery about that with everyone. In one of her serious moments, she actually told me that she is hoping to find a husband that way! Literally, through having sex with an unlimited number of men, she thought she would find a husband to settle down with who would love her for life. I literally didn't know where to start correcting that misapprehension, she was that incredibly confident about it. I just knew she was wrong. I at least managed to make clear to her my belief that she was on the wrong track.

[@juanitadudley4788]

It doesn't make sense that promiscuity would lead to a healthy, committed relationship. Particularly when she is open about it. She may, unfortunately, believe that is the only way men will be interested in her. I gotta imagine deep pain has led her to act this way, is a result of her acting this way, or even both

[@MFPWM2010]

Unfortunately she doesn’t realize that the more sexual partners a woman has the more unattractive she is to a man for marriage. Sure, men might have sex with her just to satisfy their urges but they will never marry her. There’s a reason why throughout history men have always sought out to marry virgins. Promiscuous women are disgusting to men.

[@patientdiscipline]

That's really sad. A lot of these people are lost and confused.

[@ultimate6243]

@@juanitadudley4788 If a man do the same thing you would termed it "F Boy". #Double standard

[@juanitadudley4788]

@@ultimate6243 So, you know me like that?!? NO, you don't. I have never used that term before, nor have I thought to use it. Don't project YOUR insecurities on to me. #WRONG #INSECURE

[@SpartanOfFinance]

This woman has one of the most hypnotizing voices I’ve heard. And the accent is the icing on the cake. Incredibly intelligent too.

[@DianaGilker]

Thank you so much for hosting secular guests on your show. Hearing how you explain a historical Christian view to your guests really helps give me the words in these seemingly difficult conversations. You are always completely respectful, but you stand so strong in your faith. You inspire me!

[@cultof1jewls813]

Louise is so graceful and articulate, I love her.

[@rosebud040686]

Me too!

[@nikobellic570]

This is one of the best conversations I've listened to on KZbin! Even as a secular, irreligious male. It's a credit to these two ladies for making it accessible, appealing and relevant to all.

[@TerryAnnOnline]

She’s awesome. Thanks for having her on.

[@kinglistosas5010]

Marriage and relationships are destroyed. They are done.

[@coffeefortwo2718]

“Listen to your mother” this made me smile when Louise said she had this as a chapter title. 😊 I think her next edition needs to read “Listen to your great-grandmother!” I say this because the sexual revolution has been going for some generations. I am 60 years old and my mother bought into the sexual revolution in the 70s. She thought she was liberating me as a young teen when she taught a destructive perspective of sexuality - it let me down a very painful path. (I thank God for rescuing me from in college where I embraced a healthy perspective of my sexuality) Thank you Allie and Louise, for your work, your boldness, and a very intriguing conversation. I will be sharing this with others!

[@MittyNuke1]

The fact that young women are so pressured by our culture to become over-sexualized, to the point of deciding they would rather not be women is so sad to me. Of course like you point out, this sexualization has always existed just due to our human nature, but I can’t imagine what a 12 year old girl feels seeing hardcore porn and thinking this is how she must act to please a man. I guess it really is so sad because as a man, I don’t find BDSM or any of these insane hard core violent pornographic acts to be sexually appealing, and I can’t be the only guy out there to feel this way. Although, many young (and older) men are addicted to porn so I guess there is a portion of the male population who do want their female sexual partners to act in these ways, and it goes without saying that both men and women exist who have all kinds of varying sexual desires, but I’ve personally never been interested in the cheap sex hookup culture, which may put me in the minority of the male population here, although maybe not, as it seems this type of lifestyle only works out for a small portion of the male population. Years ago, I admit I did use the tinder app and had what I guess you’d call a one night stand, and to be honest it was not at all fulfilling and left me feeling more empty than anything, and I deleted the app after that and decided I was done with it. All this to say that I agree that we were designed for marriage, and although I am single so I can’t speak from experience, I know what didn’t work, at least in my own life, and that having sex with someone you deeply care about is such a wonderful and all-encompassing experience compared to a random hook-up. (And I now realize neither of these are good outside of marriage, but I’m just speaking based on experience 5+ years ago before I appreciated God’s design for what it was)

[@happycazable]

This is a refreshingly honest point of view. Thank you for sharing it.

[@alexhuffvn]

Thanks for sharing Matt. I just prayed that God would give you a wonderful godly wife!

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

Why don't people understand the concept of pimps? We are over sexualized because of the concept of PIMPS (not "human nature") and men who give money to broken, rejected women who found no other way. May I ask who orgasms in porn? It's men. As a woman who knows what an orgasm is like, women NEVER orgasm in porn. All of it is fake. An act. All of it. The one that orgasms is the MAN. Don't you think that the one enjoying all of this is at fault? Don't you think that the one capable of giving money is the one in goddamn power? The man basically? Don't you know that more than 89% of women go into the sex industry because of monetary reasons or bc they couldn't feed their children? Didn't you see how the woman in les Miserables had no choice but to sell her hair and teeth after men rejected her from education and the workforce on the mere basis of being a woman, that she eventually had to sell her body (while weeping out or inside) to those same heartless men who care about their dicks? Because honestly, penetration HURTS and less than 10% of women can orgasm that way. I would say even waaay less than that. Don't you think that the beauty industry that salesmen created in the early 1900's is at fault? Don't you think that women mutilating their chests to please men actually doesn't benefit women in any way, which only shows how abused directly by men those women are? (Plastic boob surgery only harms women with ALCL cancer risk, inability to detect cancer, near impossibility of breastfeeding, bankruptcy, muscle weakness, INABILITY to concentrate or recollect information. A woman wouldn't naturally want that pain except for the sake of someone who enjoys it, which she doesn't. The male hypno goes as far as to convince her she suffered all of that "for herself". Look at reddit expansion hentai. Who created it? And who did he create it for? Who convinced women of what's in it?). Don't you know that the beauty industry heaps up to 725 billion dollars annually off of women's induced self-loathing and self-mutilation and self-doubt through crazy advertisements/hypno encouraging women to be objects since childhood is at fault? Porn is female abuse created BY MEN FOR MEN. Idc how much you're going to justify the crimes of men creating the porn. It is men who enjoy watching it because it is men who created it. Women are just the football 🏈 in the game. They take advantage of the gullible young women, the orphans (listen to their stories, to the pain, the tears), the trafficked children. Almost all of women feel horrible about having to sell their bodies because they don't even enjoy it at all. THEY DON'T ORGASM. I'M TELLING YOU. Who orgasms creating and consuming porn? Who orgasms, huh? Read redeeming love to actually understand the point of view of the prostitute woman who seems to be "enjoying it". Just read the actual pain occurring in her mind if you truly care about the female POV in prostitution. But barely a man does care. Because boners don't care about anyone's pain. Anna Nicole Smith didn't have money or opportunity to feed her daughter. She had to become a prostitute bc she had no other way💔 she got two breast implants and that's what made her famous. The silicon lumps in her chest, much like excess cancer-inducing chest fat that men generally/subliminally encourage, were so so so so so so heavy on her back that she had to take prescribed drugs to ease the pain of their weight, the silicon. (Tell me HOW she's enjoying it and indulging happily in sin? Because she's not. She's in a tragedy.). She wanted to remove the silicon from her chest but the men threatened they would stop filming her if she does so. Would take away her fame. Her basic humanity depended on two lumps of silicon in the eyes of men. She had to take prescribed drugs, prescribed drugs that eventually killed her and her unborn child.

[@briancarton1804]

@@alexhuffvn God does fuck all. Don't waste time praying.

[@timothygrayson]

I absolutely agree. Devaluation of the human spirit through sexual freedom has only liberated synicism and enhanced drugs and alcohol, rape and violence to a level of worship by the public. Sex is not entertainment and is not a liberation but a oppressive mandate that is destroying the young and devaluing the old. I don't agree that most men or women are more sexually active it's just a perception of media. I live in England and find most people to be repressed but we can't stop bragging. We have an egotism and are blasphemous but most of us are working day and night to survive over consumption and cravings for self aggrandisement. Christ was our Messiah and remains the icon of virtue and proportion. God bless the meek and the grafters who hold strong the sanctity of humility and considerate empathy with others who suffer in this world. Bless the poor who are taxed and abused by people lacking empathy. There're no greater powers and truths in this universe other than light and water which create life and liberty.

[@MFPWM2010]

Sin is not freedom. Sin is slavery. Real freedom is found in virtue.

[@lt7378]

Real freedom is found in Christ. “So if the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:36

[@rhyswhittington8759]

i dont think you understand what freedom means.....

[@rhyswhittington8759]

@@lt7378 "love me or you burn in hell" isnt freedom you bellend. you dont even understand the concpet....

[@amberlayne4206]

I’m only 15 minutes in & im already loving this woman’s insight

[@MittyNuke1]

I’m only about half way through “Love thy body” which you recommended on a previous episode but I can see how the wisdom in that book inspires so much of what you preach about the radical nature of the Christian world view, and in general, so much of what is happening today in the news, especially regarding the epidemic of “medical euthanasia” in Canada which is happening exactly the way Nancy Pearcy laid out in her book. The sad thing is that we’ve taken the gifts of the Christian world view for granted for so long, that at least half the population thinks we can throw away the theology behind that world view, and somehow we will be able to pick and choose the pieces we want to keep. Unfortunately, Christianity is a consistent, logical, and complete world view, and when you take out the underlying message of Christianity, the rest of the world view is up on the chopping block exactly as we are seeing today, and as this episode demonstrates so clearly. Great episode, such an important conversation.

[@Angrybogan]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you, Sir!

[@vitormenezesdemattos967]

I read it too, the part that scared me the most was when she laid the reason behind the push for the trans ideology. That once society is redefine as sexless there's no more "mother and father, husband and wife, son and daughter", therefore the whole family can be molded at will by the state, giving it a power never seen before in any dictatorial state

[@domeretaylor4437]

S/O to Allie doing her best long forum impression of a Ray Comfort interview. Lol This was an interview, but it was also subtle evangelism. God bless you sis. 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@lt7378]

I highly recommend this book. I couldn’t put it down. Much respect for this author. She’s a very good writer besides backing up her research. I hope she writes more books.

[@abrareads]

I love that women who might not hear this from Christianity will hear this from her.

[@diegesis6791]

Because it has nothing to do with religion

[@rosebud040686]

@@diegesis6791Louise Perry said in the video that sacredness of sex comes from religious traditions.. I’m not sure that’s saying it has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. There are no absolute terms to define these things being wrong beyond one’s own opinion without existential order coming into it. Many atheist humanists have tried and failed

[@rhyswhittington8759]

@@diegesis6791 i mean it does though. im an atheist so im not coming from a religious point of view but religion does have a lot to do with how we as a society view sex. religion is so clearly wrong HOWEVER having said that you cant dismiss the traditions that come with it easily. is there a god? almost absolutely not. does a religious way of life have its upsides? absolutely. one of them is marriage and saving yourself for the right person, its clear to me (once again as a die hard atheist) that society benefits from people NOT being slags. the ideal position someone could have would be to know that religion is quite clearly bullshit and that god is very likely utter nonsense BUT to live like there is a god.

[@rhyswhittington8759]

@@rosebud040686 i was with you until you said "existential order". religion does have a lot to do with the idea that sex is sacred HOWEVER that doesnt mean that god exists. the idea that not having sex willy nilly will benefit society does come moreso from a religious background but that absolutely does not mean that a god exists. a broken clock is right twice a day. you think atheist humanists have tried and failed but in reality you just didnt understand their points.... saving sex is a good idea, just because religion preaches it does not mean that god exists and that the religion is correct. they just found out after thousands of years that fucking people that you dont have a connection with is a bad idea.

[@rosebud040686]

@@rhyswhittington8759 yawn

[@neun2609]

I cannot like 👍🏻 that enough! Thank you for both your perspectives! Soooo much to think about! Love from Germany 🇩🇪

[@neun2609]

@@Dani.P.F. Hey, aus NRW 🤗

[@neun2609]

@@Dani.P.F. Das stimmt! ☺️ Ich hoffe, du hast eine Umgebung, die dir Rückhalt gibt, besonders zu Themen wie diesen! Dir auch einen schönen Abend! 🤗

[@lizwilson51]

Really wonderful interview! I studied psychology in college and Louise Perry and her work and research need to be brought out into the light more. Sexuality affects every aspect of our society today in one way or another. Thank you both!

[@FYI003]

Very clear-minded ladies. I appreciated the honesty of both these women.

[@elisabethball2184]

Since the 1960’s repressing anything inside yourself has been considered a horrible evil, but in fact the failure to repress what is wrong and evil inside of us is the failure to encourage good. In order to grow a garden you must pull out the weeds.

[@CFITOMAHAWK]

Nope. Represing your bad habits is good. It is calle DISCIPLINE. and im a man. But with DISPIPLINE.

[@rebecca.medicineeagle]

Truly one of the best podcasts I have ever watched. Thank you for sharing this crucial information in such an eloquent, knowledgeable manner. A+

[@margokupelian344]

Allie, I like the way you defined sex. It makes me sad that sex is a predominant factor now in all relationships, even when there’s no love. It’s destroying the human dignity and objectifying them. I think keeping one’s virginity is the greatest gift that both women and men can give each other when they get married. I would like to see activists fighting against the sexual revolution the same way that feminists or activists of certain ideologies are doing. I think such a movement already exists, specially in religious circles, but is not being promoted enough.

[@allenallen5040]

I agree virginity is the best. I gave mine to my wife while in my 40’s and it meant nothing to her. I married the wrong female. She pretended to be a Christian. Naive I was.

[@allysinlombard]

Should women get married at 14? 11? 8? Historically, when women were asked to give their virginity to their husbands, it was as soon as they were fertile as the main purpose of marriage was the creation of life.

[@allenallen5040]

George Soros funded the feminist movement.

[@jamiequinn2003]

@@allysinlombard I know a lot of young women who are waiting for marriage and they typically get married in their 20's. It is more than possible and you dont have to get married at 11 to retain your dignity and give the gift of virginity to your husband/wife. Better than wondering what STD's your getting instead.

[@katrinakolles4288]

@@allysinlombard I understand what you are saying historically, but what if we teach boys and girls that they have dignity and they have worth. They should have the expectation that their boyfriend/girlfriend treat them as they have dignity/worth. That waiting is showing love for the other because they want what is best for the other.

[@intheforest2735]

My Dad, who was in his 20’s in the 70’s told me about how they were trying to get pedo’s to become acceptable in society. It came up because a few years ago I told him how “now they’re trying to do this with pedos” & he’s was said, oh they’ve been doing that since the 70’s. I was really surprised they’ve been at it for that long. It feels like over the past few years they’ve been actually making some progress though.

[@nomoregames8103]

Everything is fun and games untill someone rape your 9 year old girl. ... fighting for pedophiles is like fighting against innocent children. Come to Jesus and reform your brain and heart stop being a pagan.

[@idx1941]

what are you talking about??? I grew up in the 70's and none of what your dad is saying is true. Come out of your rabbit hole!

[@gavinhudson5251]

@@idx1941 This happened in France apparently. The philosophers Foucault and Sartre's name came up, amongst others, as they were debating whether paedophilia was repressed by the state, or something like that. I saw this on Simon Whistler's KZbin channel. Google it, it was disturbing.

[@dv9360]

As a man, I've only been through one really close years-long relationship that ended in a breakup, but there really is so much pain there and so many questions about how things are supposed to work in the world today

[@charliedontsurf334]

I am glad Louise came onto this show. I recently first saw her on the UK podcast, Triggernometry, where she said she feared a “return of fundamentalist Christianity.” She needs to see that we want to see everything better, not a return to 1995, 1955, or 1800. Allie was a great choice for that.

[@nicolesalter2726]

Love Triggernometry. Look what they did to expose Sam Harris! I think we need to link arms with the secular world on this because this at least helps change minds on this hugely important issue to our children.

[@charliedontsurf334]

@@nicolesalter2726 I agree we need to stand with what is right. The sexual revolution was very harmful, and I'll take help to resist it from Lousie or Jordan Peterson or anyone. I was just curious how Louise would react to Allie's views.

[@gumdeo]

The sexual revolution really was the beginning of a Pagan restoration. This is becoming more obvious over time.

[@charliedontsurf334]

@@gumdeo Just remember that this is an opportunity to evangelize. I hope Tucker Carlson gets the chance to evangelize Rose McGowan. Our job as the church is to rescue souls until the fullness of the gentiles is complete (Romans 11:25). One of the ways I got away with this in the US military was comparing Yahweh with gods like Athena and Poseidon. See the story of Medusa or the Minotaur.

[@johnschuh8616]

The sexual revolution, like the French Revolution, seems to have been more destructive than anticipated.

[@nikobellic570]

Boys and men also need to listen and learn from voices like Louise Perry about Womanhood! Instead of listening to their desires and pornhub. It's not easy, but probably infinitely worth it.

[@ragamuffin2829]

I think you'd appreciate Galatea from The Authentic Observer here on KZbin. She has talked about the attack on femininity and the guilt some teenage girls feel when going through puberty. She'd make a great guest.

[@GonRogue-85]

I think I will check that out.

[@tayh.6235]

Yes, her videos on those subjects have been wonderfully nuanced and insightful

[@justwonder1404]

Her channel is how I found out about Louise Perry actually. She makes some great points

[@josejburgos9377]

Love your show Allie. God bless you and your familia.

[@simonlait4330]

This interview is a really important one. Here we have a secular intellectual using her considerable rational intelligence and her well developed analytical skills to reach conclusions which many of her contemporaries are uncomfortable with. Their discomfort arises because the the dominant moral framework (what we used to call “the permissive society”) is not really based on a strong rational analysis but on a culture of opposition to the moral framework bequeathed society by Christianity. Now it turns out the Christians were right. We are far enough away from the swinging sixties for people like Louise Perry to be able to reach this conclusion without suffering the stigma of “being square” (suffering the powerful penalty of an unfashionable opinion). This ought to be a hopeful moment. Winning the argument (as Perry does) is the first step in both reforming society for the better - policies focussed on stable families - but also offering young people a hopeful fulfilling vision of their future, one bases on the uniquely powerful message that Christian Faith brings. It’s not only the promise of personal redemption but it works for a better society too!

[@jsmiles1991]

Wow! This was an amazing conversation! Allie, you hit the nail on the head for the undefinable gut feeling, it's ultimately spiritual. I really enjoyed her perspective!

[@esthermendiola7480]

Allie I've been watching for a few months, this is actually the best one of all! Such a great interview! I've got some revelation about communicating my view! Thanks so much, praying for all, and hope to get the book soon, adding to my list! :)

[@videoability1]

What an amazingly beautiful interview and discussion from both of you articulate women. This was a joy to listen to because you both are so respectful of one another and listen intently to bring forth the most helpful and consequential information on this subject! Your discussion gives back a rightful dignity and value to women but also to men. The discussion of the protection of children on this subject was also very necessary. I pray for our children daily. One observation to note is that Jesus Himself in the Gospels was a champion for women ~ in respect, value snd virtue. He used many occasions to demonstrate His active response in calling women out of sexualized society and degrading relationships by restoring their worth to the core of their being. Thank you both for doing the same by paving the way back to sexual wholeness by championing the covenant of marriage and family once again. Choosing Joy ~ stephanie

[@mguerramd]

Hopefully this lady will be infilled with the Holy Spirit and become a believer as a result talking with Allie. She's close. I'll pray for it.

[@deborahdimond4538]

Me too. I really hope God is working in her life to draw her to him. I really hope she finds Jesus.

[@PresGarcia]

As an American, My deepest love and prays go your beautiful, amazing, queen Elizabeth. May she she Rest In Peace.

[@joshb7326]

Beleive it or not, there are men and boys that don't pressure into having sex. Women and girls CAN choose to date someone who doesn't pressure them, but naturally many women and girls are not attracted to them, so I can only have limited sympathy towards women actively want to choose a man who treats them poorly

[@skylinefever]

Indeed. Women can either have a guy with a few items on her list or nothing at all.

[@lgunn87]

This was a great convo. I actually have Louise's book saved in my Amazon wish list and now I'm going to purchase it. I do think the idea of a free market ideology, which ironically the left would not agree with in capitalism, for sex has been so damaging. Feminism and equally "masculinity studies"/incel movement have both been toxic and draining. The only key is for both genders to recognize that we need each other, we complement each other and make family and parenthood a priority through monogamous marriage. All of this stuff has been a lie. I believed in feminism too and until I returned to the Word it lingered. I'm glad I know the truth now.

[@hellohvj]

Such an important (and fascinating) episode. Thank you, Allie!

[@jamesslemmons8453]

If sex work is work, why wouldn't trading sex for a promotion in an office setting just be "part of the job?"

[@ThatKillerQuote]

True. I mean if consent is the only thing that matters lol.

[@susanlovesjava4961]

How does sex in the workplace benefit the company?

[@Peace-tk3gr]

Loved this chat. Brilliant (and informative). Thank you.

[@basswindu6121]

God bless and keep you Louise!

[@cheryl5667]

'Marriage oppresses men as well'. Maybe in terms of fidelity restrictions, but traditionally and legally it's been about his ownership and having him at the head, and even today among religious couples, it is more often about his desires.

[@johnschuh8616]

It is also about his responsibilities. Owning one’s actions means taking responsibility, especially for one’s children.

[@cheryl5667]

@@johnschuh8616 So again, restrictive. Every single adult has responsibilities to abide the law, in general. Abiding the law is not oppressive if you have a reasonably developed, reasonably free society.

[@johnschuh8616]

@@cheryl5667 Custom is more binding than law, If marriage is taken as a holy institution, a sacrament, then it binds both parties in a way that they cannot be bound by contract law, A good marriage is like Astaire and Rogers dancing. Even if he was the stronger, it was she who made the team.

[@cheryl5667]

@@johnschuh8616 What?

[@johnschuh8616]

@@cheryl5667 Complementarity rather than competition.

[@izzieisoken]

One of my favourite interviews!!

[@larrystratton9543]

Loved this interview. Allie is great but Louise listened to her in a very open and patient way even though she probably didn't agree with everything.

[@lesleypatoncox1569]

Brilliant discussion. Intelligent Christian podcast.

[@peggymazzanti7244]

Great guest! Love it when aspects of our faith correspond with secular research

[@kinglistosas5010]

The damage has been done now. Marriages are on the decline.

[@PsychoBible]

Great conversation! I've been seeing Louise being interviewed on a lot of channels I follow, so I'm happy the word is getting out. For anyone interested, there are playlists on my channel that dive into these topics, especially my playlist on the Sexual Revolution.

[@JacobStein1960]

The 7 year old Isabella of Valois married the 29 year old Richard II of England in 1396. Both were Roman Catholic. Child brides were normal in Christian countries until modern times. The legislation of 16 as the age of consent began in 1885 in England due to pressure from early feminists in an effort to combat prostitution. It has since spread from there.

[@artsycraftsybusiness]

Marital contact and consumation of marriage were 2 different things. The girl had to be at least 12 and if she was't ready for it, the man has to wait until she was 18. Child brides and grooms happened in royal houses but nobody expected them to have sex until they reach certain age. Girls were sent to the country of their husband to learn the language and prepare to be the queen.

[@JacobStein1960]

@@artsycraftsybusiness Forcible rape has always been a crime whether the victim was 2 or 102. Statutory rape and age of consent are very recent inventions which until about 150 years ago no one anywhere at any time had ever thought of.

[@artsycraftsybusiness]

@@JacobStein1960 But your statement, that child brides were normal in Christian Europe is simply false. Check canon law of any given period. The aim of mariage is procreation, so no point of having sex before puberty.

[@DavidMccallister65]

When she said with rape we feel a visceral difference between something life theft... That's exactly how we feel about homosexuality. Regardless of how many people now say, "Oh I don't think there's anything wrong with it." We all know it in our heart. Regardless of my Christian beliefs, I instinctually feel that it is perverse and wrong. The same can be said for most other non religious people. I sometimes like trolling friends and family that support it by asking in passing during a conversation about them or their children, "Are you gay?" Or "Is he gay??" And their defensive reaction is quite telling. Most will quickly say, "WHAT?? NO. HE'S NOT GAY!" As if it were some sort of insult

[@Elfyja]

Congrats you're making fun of someone with a different sexuality than you, and no its not instinctually. You might have a different sexuality, but you will be biased without admitting it. That's what the bias does, just you could be that without being a bigot.

[@dragonhold4]

(15:00) Makes sense. You can tell after Louise Perry characterized marriage-which is very sacred-as just signing a piece of paper (11:39). (which is sadly true from a secular perspective where marriage has largely become a vestigial practice) (22:39) _The problem with a polygamous society is it tends to produce a lot more_ ... - _domestic violence. Because households with lots of co-wives tend to produce a lot of conflict_ - _a lot more child abuse_ - _more crime. Because you have this massive amount of unmarried men who are frustrated and don't have any reason to tame themselves, which is often what marriage and having children does to men_ -Louise Perry (29:49) Segment should be titled: *Allie Stuckey putting an innocent British lady in a uncomfortable position where speaking freely on this topic, even in compassion, could land her in jail* > (not at all blaming the partial dodge) (42:36) Reminded of the Afghan refuge who was brought over with a child bride. or the bachabaze practice that went on even under the purview of U.S. officers because "it is a cultural practice" and they didn't want to discriminate. (49:04) _The error that [Progressive] feminism makes is that it assumes that freedom is the most important goal. That it is the preeminent virtue and that all other virtues need to fall by the wayside ... The problem is that this radical freedom project doesn't work when it comes up against the brick wall of biological difference and the fact that there is a sexual asymmetry that is never going to go away_

[@georgewagner7787]

I don't see how marriage is oppressive. If the person doesn't choose it maybe, but in the west people make a Choice.

[@pythonjava6228]

Some of the things she says does not make sense. For instance her claims that marriage produces less crime by taming men and she points the finger at less testosterone. However, if this were the case then doemstic abuse would not be a problem. Moreover, if you take a look at the prisons population, its filled with men who have kids and long term partners. So that's a postulation that immediately falls apart upon inspection. She claims that in monogomous socieites crime rates and domestic violence drops but correlation does not mean causation. There are many other factors that could be at play ,e.g perhaps there is some othet factor like poverty rates or other cultural facors that differ between monogomous and non monogomous countries and these have a bigger impact on criminality. Perhaps she should provide evidence that lowering testosterone has a significant effect on reducing criminal behaviour on a society wide level.

[@dragonhold4]

@@pythonjava6228 Are you really using an edge case of a broken person who probably has several "baby mommas", to make a point ...

[@skylinefever]

@@dragonhold4 It's what happens when people say "The Godpill is for everybody. if it diodn't work for you, you just didn't pray hard enough" and dismissed the nature of aspies and spergs.

[@yuriimarshalofficial]

If sex is work and sexual instinct should be in use then why don’t we sell eating? I’ll eat, I’ll give you the food and after you will pay for these actions… How instincts could be converted to objective and neutral? That’s sort of perverting.

[@skylinefever]

The Christian value I often saw by the hardcores was "Free market economics rule, except when we don't like it."

[@deniseevangeline1110]

Allie if your guest doesn't know Jesus hopes she does, loved this interview.

[@Araley]

I literally cannot handle the TikTok’s with adults acting like/dressing like children and acting in a sexual manner. So triggering to me. Thank you, I got a lot out of this episode!

[@georgewagner7787]

If I had a kid, they wouldn't have a phone until age 18. They could beg all they wanted.

[@Behave_New_1984]

Two of my favourite intellectuals on yt ❤❤❤❤

[@h.s.l6875]

I feel bad for the youg teenage girls parading themselves like sex objects for the consumption of males. They dress in ways that make no sense (like short revealing clothes even in the winter) and what for?! To be used by men who place no emotional value on sex. It'll take those young girls growing in this colture a few years of heartache ad emptiness to wake up, and see the situation for what it is- harming them, but by then they will have been through so much, and that cannot be undone. The adults failed them, maybe especially the adult women.

[@juanitadudley4788]

Allie has the most interesting guests.

[@robertboebinger7719]

Blessings to you and your ministry 🙏And I love her accent totally 💯 Sheena Easton ❤️

[@absolutetruths1245]

The word ‘evolved’ should actually be ‘created’

[@SheilaSmith-z8g]

As a Christian and psychotherapist I believe the church overall should not teach or preach to children on sexuality. And should not do marriage counseling. It lacks knowledge on human nature, human relationships, problem identification and effective means to a solution. In general I agree with this woman's perspective. The mistake society made was separating love from sexual relationships in the "sexual revolution."

[@laurenwhite8194]

Truth and Freedom are fundamentally linked. We often make the crucial error of separating freedom from truth. Instead, we equate freedom with license; but they are not synonymous. Freedom is not simply the ability to choose what you want, when you want it. In fact, true freedom is impossible without sacrifice. And we can only know what and how to sacrifice by knowing what is true. Therefore, we are free to the exact extent that we are able to recognize truth. And freedom is not to be taken lightly. Freedom is the great responsibility of humanity. Aristotle said, “[e]very man should be responsible to others, nor should anyone do just as he pleases; for where absolute freedom is allowed there is nothing to restrain the evil which is inherent in every man.” What he means is this: license (what some consider “freedom”) and choice, at the expense of morality (truth), is a framework for corruption and evil. Put simply, if my “freedom,” in any way, opposes objective truth, which is goodness itself, then it is not true freedom; it is a childish desire to have what I want despite the fact that it offends my true happiness and the happiness of others (we will come back to happiness later, but stay with me here). Slavery is the classic American paradigm for this. Freedom without truth is not freedom; it is tyranny. True freedom is not simply the ability to choose one thing or another. It is the ability to choose what is good, what is true, and what is beautiful. This is an excerpt from a blog post I wrote. Link below. laurenelainewhite.wordpress.com/2022/07/04/freedom-truth-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/

[@juliangodsend9418]

ROMANS 1:1-32 SHOWS US EXACTLY WHAT THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT PAGANISM IS LIKE,AMERICA IS GOING BACKWARDS TO THE ROMANS TIMES BECAUSE OF IT’S REJECTION OF THE GOSPEL

[@KH-vp4ni]

Catholic theology of the body is helpful info for all

[@Yipper64]

4:30 the consent framework is a framework that doesnt work in the first place, and hinges on a single word. And lately we've been having people change the meanings of a lot of words... Yeah this mentality really can only last so long.

[@Yipper64]

@Fabian Kirchgessner I agree but all of their nonsense ends up hurting society as a whole. I wouldn't use "society" arguments too much, they don't tend to land as well. Remember they are the collectivists, we are individuals united in the body of christ. Really it's just all under the umbrella of "as long as it makes them happy and it's not hurting anyone" mentality and that's how people have to reason without God. It just doesn't work.

[@ozzycortes]

57:40 I agree 💯. But sadly it feels like we’re still in a gender war and I don’t see it ever ending.

[@elycecapriani1758]

This is so good!!

[@m.pixley8413]

This is like if we were to decide slavery was OK in the south because a few house slaves wanted to stay with their owners. The people then getting beaten in the fields have their tongues cut out.

[@loriandcrew3216]

I respect this viewpoint and actually came to these conclusions on my own before knowing about this new feminism I have listened to several KZbin videos with Louise Perry and am overjoyed she's getting a lot of airtime to propagate these values and philosophies. However, defining them as Christian values turns me off and I think we should be careful in their definition as such if we don't want to alienate a segment of women.

[@youvilleatzebugs6095]

I think the word 'objectification' has lost its original power. We used to understand that it was horrible. Now some women claim to be 🤡empowered🤡 if they 🤡choose🤡 to objectify themselves. They forgot that objectification includes dehumanization. The word 'dehumanization' is used today to mean something horrible. But you can't have objectification without dehumanization. It's just impossible. These women don't want to be dehumanized, but they like being objectified. It's ridiculous.

[@wickidflash]

As a man, I feel sexual disgust when a woman cheats on me.

[@georgewagner7787]

In addition to inequalities, it Also doesn't recognize consequences

[@TaiChiWithMe]

From a Christian perspective, what makes sexual intercourse so special and different from other forms of physical interaction between a man and a woman is that you are partisipating in God's sacred act of creating another human being. Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman is a immitation of the sacred act of Holy Communion in the Catholic Church where by we actually consume the body and blood of Jesus Christ, not in a symbolic way but in a literal way. You actually take Jesus into your body the way a woman takes a man into her body. You might say that human intercourse is a carnel Holy Comunion and that is why it should be held and practiced at the highest level of reverence and respectfulness. Love, David

[@shakey3306]

43k views for something that the entire world should listen to

[@jamiesmith9827]

Sheologians did an excellent series on the history of feminism.

[@Errrttt854]

Can you post the link to these serious please

[@DavidMccallister65]

Love your shirt Allie Beth

[@maryiverson5874]

I listened to the podcast and agreed that this subject needs to be able to be discussed in a moderated environment. I trust Allie to control the dialogue but we have to know the word and what it teaches us so we are able to stand up for our point of view and to protect people from evil.

[@jacquevanlopeznoroff8827]

Hmm remarkable. I wonder if the voices of secular feminists like Louise Perry will survive the next 20 years.

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

"Christian values" can be adopted without the need to believe in "god". Leaving aside the supernatural stuff, many of the tenets are just logical guidelines that work well for human society.

[@losttribe9107]

Very interesting discussion.

[@Sonicstillpoint83]

Not only do I not know a single woman who regrets her choices to squander youth and fertility, but those with daughters don’t think that they should teach their daughters to value their sexuality and insist on men living up to that standard. “ I just want to be there for them and let them experience the world like I did, but I want them to know that they are loved while doing it.“ Women were helping Harvey Weinstein find gullible, foolish women who were interested in selling sexual access for a role in a movie. Women who did porn as a previous career are not screaming for women to stop signing up for onlyfans because they believe it paid off for their lives.

[@corackadile]

I went through a rough patch and made some really bad decisions. I most certainly will not be teaching nor encouraging my future kids to make the same mistakes I did. The fact that any woman would condone such behavior is deplorable.

[@Sonicstillpoint83]

Bless you! It would be so powerful if the older generation would do the Christlike thing and show all of the doubting Thomas types in their lives their own scarred wrists while proclaiming the profound cost of missing the mark of God‘s best for our lives. Sin always cost more then we are willing to pay, takes us farther than we want to go and keeps us longer than we want to stay.

[@georgewagner7787]

C S Lewis has a book on christian morality that explains very well.

[@pawel3241]

Both men and women sleeping around is bad in the long term. You will no longer be able to pair bond, you will find every relationship boring and not invest much into it before jumping into another relationship. You then will be alone after 50. However, women do not realize how much value you lose sleeping with a lot of men!

[@lequsejones5384]

I find it interesting as a Christian, a husband, and a father to a pretty 17-year-old daughter that Louise would separate the "fruits" of cultural Christianity from the "tree". She points out that she is not religious while simultaneously upholding the truths that Christianity has espoused for generations.

[@skylinefever]

It is what happens when people can't "Just believe" and get "The power of prayer." The Christpill isn't completely invalid, but to act as if everybody absolutely gets it is absurd. If that was true, there would be no aspies or spergs.

[@hglundahl]

6:31 Louise Perry is here describing an attitude spread into the West by Aleksandra Kollontay, a leader of Komsomol in her teens, later a Soviet Diplomat. The Swedish movement RFSU - "Riksförbundet För Sexuell Upplysning" / "Realmwide-association For Sexual Enlightenment" adopted this approach and wanted to keep all shame out of it, except the one of being mean to someone. They have greatly pushed for pills and condoms. In a Swedish school, they are likely to be invited to do sex education at some levels.

[@georgewagner7787]

Teach your kids at home before theycan. We learned in church youth group that we should stive to become a great spouse and why we should be chaste.

[@hglundahl]

@@georgewagner7787 I was taught by my mother, in Vienna, and my first class teacher back in Sweden was more or less Pentecostal, so he wasn't the worst. His only contribution to sex education was allowing us to write questions on slips of paper, then he answered them. As my mother was single, mine was a proof of this, I had asked what one did if one needed to pee - I thought a coitus lasted from evening to morning. Not a quarter of an hour or whatever.

[@skylinefever]

This rebound wouldn't have happened if people didn't feel sick of hellfire and brimstone purity sermons. This is why I like seeing someone defend abstinence from someone else.

[@scottcarroll9201]

The host is monopolizing the conversation. Let Louise speak!

[@vanessajanik4623]

I’m almost done w/Louise’s book. It’s so good but also the cultural reality she’s describing is sad. Never thought I’d agree w/a feminist on so much but she really makes a-lot of conservative/traditionalist points that as she acknowledges are deeply rooted in Christianity. Love that she uses data & real examples but her conclusion seems like it should be obvious & yet so many liberal feminists in particular reject it. The sexual revolution has obviously served men & harmed women. Although as she mentions, men aren’t doing particularly well either. But the children are the ones who suffer the most.

[@NilsMontanEsq]

Ms. Perry is a lovely, gentile, and obviously very intelligent woman. I have no problem whatsoever in her attempt to blame everything on the 60s and 70s (although, I'm pretty sure she wasn't around then), but I am afraid she is tilting at a giant windmill. The vast majority of Americans have sex before marriage, including those who abstained from sex during their teenage years, according to "Trends in Premarital Sex in the United States, 1954-2003," by Lawrence B. Finer, published in the January/February 2007 issue of Public Health Reports. Further, contrary to the public perception that premarital sex is much more common now than in the past, the study shows that even among women who were born in the 1940s, nearly nine in 10 had sex before marriage. So, that leads me to the startling conclusion that human beings love engaging in sex and have done so for many thousands of years before the invention of the pill. Many modern women like their careers and would be very unhappy to feel pressure not to engage in the workforce. The genie is out of the bottle and is unlikely to be happily reintroduced the way we think we were.

[@jenniferherb5212]

I'm not sure where the feminism comes in 🤔 but feminism is at odds with Christianity. This lady needs Christ

[@MittyNuke1]

I think a big problem is that because of the trend of the left to give their ideologies misleading names, people conflate the name with the ideas that construct the ideology, when in fact this is almost never the case. More specifically, people conflate “feminism” with “promoting the interests of women” when in reality, the ideas that comprise feminism really do the opposite. When I hear people saying they support feminism, unless they are clearly coming from an intersectional (3rd wave) or sexual revolution (2nd wave) perspective, I think they mean they support the rights of women to hold a job outside of the home, to vote, and to have the other societal rights granted to men. And of course, and I guess somewhat to its credit, feminism *does* incorporate these ideas, but only as part of a larger framework of deconstructing the entire concept of femininity. This clever trick of misleading nomenclature as been very beneficial for leftist activists who drum up support for their movements by disguising them as something they are not.

[@brannonomara]

Yes, ironically she seemed to intellectual argue for Christian values, but is missing the connection and spiritual piece. I am glad she came on this podcast. Allie did an amazing job with this interview.

[@lizwilson51]

I thought it was interesting she said that the idea of valuing women in society and protecting the weak and vulnerable all originated with Christianity, so in theory the ideas that feminists first held to value women began with Christianity, but they have now turned against Christianity and are in the process harming women.

[@skylinefever]

@@brannonomara Not everybody is capable of spirituality. Some people who can't do it themselves often buy drugs to do it.

[@skylinefever]

@@brannonomara It assumes spiritual experience happens to everybody. I argue that it's like expecting aspies to get it.

[@GradiorDignus]

Interesting lady she’s pretty sharp kind of like a Jordan Peterson understands the big picture I think is even for the big picture except there is that caveat that has eternal ramifications that just can’t get Bought off on

[@pixie3458]

Sex unfortunately is regarded as less than a social interaction... Just a bodily function.. Women also have a very different physical experience from men... Much more vulnerable to injury and disease.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...But are you arguing to keep prostitution ILLEGAL, as well as making pornography and exotic dancing ILLEGAL too, instead of legal but just regulated however socially discouraged?

[@skylinefever]

This is what I always want to know. St Thomas Aquinas hated prostitution, but decided it was better to leave it legal. He knew what non select men are like, and this limited them.

[@jeanettegouws5526]

Hello Allie, thank you so much for this podcast. I am in full agreement regarding the arguments against the legalisation of prostitution. However I am not following the rape/sexual abuse argument. Isn`t it the fact that it is abuse that is what makes it illegal? So communication is a form of social interaction but swearing at someone or belittling them counts as verbal abuse.

[@hglundahl]

5:24 While sex work is a horrible sin, or involves one, it actually _also_ is work. And while it is degrading for those who do it, that's no reason to defraud them of their wages or make the working conditions more horrible than need be or them more dependant on unscrupulous pimps than otherwise. Which had happened in some areas.

[@GonRogue-85]

Sorry, it's not work. It's also dehumanizing. I really feel for the women that believe they have to do it or are worse, forced into. It is a blight in the human soul and it should be called for what it is: prostitution. I think progressive use sex work to take the stigma out if it I think of all those girls and women forced into trafficking. We need more resources to help those who left or escaped that life to heal and make better lives for themselves.

[@hglundahl]

@@GonRogue-85 Oh, the work certainly _is_ prostutution. But too much stigma is a recipe for oppressing and degrading these women with more than just the sin and with men taking advantage of their shame to force them to sin more. _"I think of all those girls and women forced into trafficking."_ Probably one thing one thought one avoided or even reasonably hoped to avoid by allowing women to be whores openly between losing virginity in the wrong circumstances and getting a husband and peace with God.

[@lizwilson51]

Perhaps what you say is true, but it isn't work that benefits society. It's destructive for society, but our laws and legal system need to take into account the vulnerability of women and especially children. Sometimes in the past women were trafficked and when caught in prostitution, they were punished legally and not their pimps/traffickers. That absolutely should not be the purpose of the legal justice system.

[@georgewagner7787]

It needs to be stopped

[@hglundahl]

@@georgewagner7787 Tentatives to stop all sex work have driven it under the ground. Legalised Prostitution has allowed some kinds of regulations to stop the worst abuses. For instance, in Paris, Middle Ages, a whore needed to: 1) have special clothes; 2) keep away from the Churches, like one or two blocks away; 3) stay away from sodomy; 4) take maternity leave when pregnant. She was obviously also allowed to retire at any time she found opportune, like if a father wanted to legitimise his child and wasn't married yet. Compare that to what happens to whores now ...

[@xtra_chz_plz]

Whatever your opinion is on sex workers, there shouldn't be any laws governing what they do with their own bodies. I see some comments like that below. I say legalize prostitution; similar to other times in history such as prohibition, making something illegal simply because you don't agree with it morally always pushes the market underground (i.e. dangerous, unregulated, untaxable, and violent). legalize it. regulate it. tax it. keep cizitens safe. This is America.

[@gumdeo]

Amen. It was only in the early 1900s that most states banned it.

[@skylinefever]

I like mentioning how St Thomas Aquinas saw the upside of letting people buy sex from professionals. Society always had incels, and they were always bad news. St Thomas Aquinas knew this was a lesser evil than having a bunch of really angry incels.

[@toomuchinformation]

No, don’t legalise prostitution; decriminalise it.

[@skylinefever]

Get a hint from St Aquinas.

[@jamesbuchanan3888]

The problem is not that women "catch feelings". The problem is that they marry feelings. ... When the feeling is gone she feels emotionally abandoned in the marriage because the man is perceived as baggage which came with her husband.

[@sisubiz2930]

I have read your book (LOVED IT) and normally listen to you as I am driving around for work during the day. There are, on a just an occasion or two, situations where I would lovingly disagree. Overall, our theology and life philosophy seem to line up. I was raised in a Christian household, then walked away from the institution of church about 17 years ago, only for Him to seek me out...culminating in my return to Him and to the church just over 1 1/2 years ago. I am also a mother of 5 (3 girls, 2 boys - ranging from 12yrs to 26yrs). As the female counterpart to my husband/their father...I try to stand in the gap specifically for our girls. I typically do not post comments (since I am driving 🙂 and since we often are in agreement on topics). However, I felt like I needed to get on her to post something that you may find surprising: a defense of Andrew Tate. I think that, once you listen to him (more than sound bites put out by others), you may start to notice that he seems to have a basis in a fairly conservative Christian faith. As with most people, just in general, I don't agree with him on everything. I do believe that he often uses humor to attract attention (and very successfully) and that is frequently (intentionally) misconstrued. I would actually love to see you have him as a guest on your podcast and I think you may be surprised. From what I have seen, he seems to be the type of guy that you could have a reasonable discourse with, even on matters that you don't necessarily agree on, and that his viewpoint may be closer to your Christian worldview than you may expect. Either way, also wanted to tell you how much I loved the book and the podcast, it frequently helps me articulate more effectively what I am thinking but cannot find a way to convey.

[@rldluz]

Don't underestimate the horrors of someone forcing you to shake hands, it could traumatize you for life, that hand

[@davidbowles7281]

Of course it's work. Redefining concepts to fit your world view isn't a valid argument strategy against people who don't share your worldview.

[@aperson9847]

The thought that kept coming into my head during this episode is that Christianity is the only truly radical idea that has ever existed on this earth. And that's because it's the one idea that came from somewhere higher than humanity.

[@juliangodsend9418]

MARRIAGE IS HONORABLE IN ALL,AND THE BED UNDEFILED,BUT HOEMUNGGERS AND ADULTERERS GOD WILL JUDGE

[@alfredpetrie7920]

Wise lady

[@ArnoldJagt]

Your guest sees the problem while denying the answer which is the ongoing validity of Biblical laws which are the rules for relationships.

[@juliangodsend9418]

ALL THAT WILL LIVE GODLY IN CHRIST JESUS SHALL SUFFER PERSECUTION, BUT EVIL MEN AND SEDUCERS SHALL WAX WORSE AND WORSE DECEIVING AND BEING DECEIVED