She criticized his appearance, personality, and life, and talked about his sex life, saying he wasn’t good in bed, all in front of the cameras. Yet, people are angry because he said she wasn’t beautiful! At least he said it privately to his friend (if it was true), not in front of the cameras and the whole cast. She, on the other hand, knew from the start she wouldn’t stay with him but kept going as long as she could, bullying and abusing him the whole time. For some reason, it’s okay for her to do that.
@joykinserКүн бұрын
Right, like she was SO open about her disdain the entire time, and then him saying he wasn’t attracted to her in secret makes him a villain? No. They should have broken up after the ducks, they were very bad together, but I don’t get the ganging up on Nick over this.
@RR-mv1vrКүн бұрын
💯
@ashleyw.6702Күн бұрын
I wish Nick had just been honest: "I fell in love before seeing Hannah; when I saw her, I didn't think she was attractive at all. But, the point of the experiment is to see if we can look past that. And her nasty attitude did not make her more attractive to me. So, I am glad we are not together now. Clearly, Hannah didn't like me. So, I am sure she's glad that we aren't together either. Wish her the best!"
@precia123Күн бұрын
Exactly! And she dares get upset by him just "liking" mean comments on instagram. Like giiiirl look at yourself for a second!
@ChristinaKaeLoveКүн бұрын
@@ashleyw.6702 this would have been the perfect response. Idk why he had to lie, just be upfront about it. 🤦🏾♀️
@guitargirl3132 күн бұрын
I just dislike how no matter what happens, Nick is being pulled into a conflict as a punching bag for Hannah. Marissa is clearly bitter and emotionally triggered and it feels like she pours all this energy into attacking Nick.
@lavieenlavande2 күн бұрын
Yeah, Marissa was wild with that. I feel like Garrett and Taylor were over it because they saw this kind of dynamic play out in the group as they went through the experience and clocked how unfair it was to Nick. I think that’s why Garrett just said he thought the conversation was immature and wanted to move on. He knew there is no resolution to this type of “discussion” because it wasn’t really made in good faith starting with Hannah. I know everyone got caught up on the grenade comment, but after the reveals they are all asked what they thought of the other person. So let’s not forget that Hannah said she was not impressed with Nick’s looks either. She thought he lied about his physique when really it was just that she seemed to have no idea what kind of a build kickers actually have. She thought she was getting her old high school QB for some reason. So while the terminology might not be great, I think it was just Nick using slang or whatever but wasn’t really as huge a deal as they made it out to be. It certainly didn’t justify the multiple scenes of abusive behavior that Hannah exhibited over the season. Lastly, the whole thing about girls DMing Hannah about their conversations was so dumb. So what? He’s single, so even if he were dating or trying to date them, why should Hannah care? Everyone acted like it was such a gotcha moment, but I just wondered if I was taking crazy pills as to why anyone would care.
@hyacinth13202 күн бұрын
There's a concept for this called displacement.
@nigguhplzx6672Күн бұрын
Marissa is turning into her mama lmao
@RR-mv1vrКүн бұрын
Right ! No matter what Nick said hannah was determined to try and make him look bad
@RR-mv1vrКүн бұрын
Hannah is the worst!
@stephanieluminous31162 күн бұрын
Nick “wanting to be famous” has to be one of the most benign comments from someone who would go on an international reality dating show. They all want some level of fame or they wouldn’t risk putting their personal lives on blast like that.
@captnkirksmoviequeue82942 күн бұрын
Hannah literally ran back to Nick after realizing her chances of moving forward with Leo were slim. If anyone was here for the wrong reasons it’s clearly Hannah
@lsnum12 күн бұрын
it’s like when your boss is surprised your motivation for working is a paycheck and not because you really want the company to succeed
@ErikaJadeLivesКүн бұрын
@@lsnum1😂
@SoyunakarenКүн бұрын
THANK YOU, they all acted like they hate fame but they went through extensive casting to get to the most famous netflix dating show???? Make it make sense
@Cai_saN2 күн бұрын
I hate that Hannah interupts Nick as soon as he mentions fact checking and getting a perspective
@wakinghours68812 күн бұрын
She does this multiple times throughout the show, it's as though she knows he's about to make a good point so she has to interrupt him and shut it down... It's very infuriating.
@Cai_saN2 күн бұрын
@@wakinghours6881yes very!
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
I'm loving the Hannah series. Honestly it's actually a public service. Her type of emotional abuse, especially in women, is not called out often enough. We're starting to get better at holding bad men accountable (still progress to be made) but when women are the problem I often see a lot of blind spots unless she's openly physically abusive or verbally abusive. Technically Hannah does neither because she doesn't use foul language or aggressive or vile words. But she's really really nasty. Just in a way that is like one degree less than what rings most people's alarm bells. But she's absolutely a problem.
@katthecat66572 күн бұрын
Oh, my alarm bells went off quite a few times with Hannah. There was no "degree below" because I am not desensitized to female bullying, name calling, belittling, and general obnoxious behavior. I get very strong stress response when I see such behavior and go for the door. And based on a lot of Reddit and KZbin comments about her, I think most people do see her as abusive and can't stand how she treats Nick. There is yet hope for humanity :)
@onedirectionlover3172 күн бұрын
Oh yeah, having suffered at the hands of cruel mean girls growing up, I have zero patience for excusing bitchy female behavior. Women can be each other’s worst enemies, and no amount of “wOmEn SuPpOrT wOmEn” will ever get me on board with that manifestation of this bs.
@suras89842 күн бұрын
I feel like in general frameworks like the Patriarchy overrides many peoples value systems when it comes to women doing wrong in real life. I think if Hannah was a man no one from the cast or the hosts would have defended him, stayed friends with him and would have accused him of abuse. You actually can get away with quite a lot as a woman due to peoples beliefs of the patriarchy because people inherantly think so negatively of men.
@elenakalliste2 күн бұрын
Yeah I’ve heard so many people say well if you switch the genders it’s obvious she’s being abusive. Like, no, it’s obvious she’s being abusive from watching her behavior. It would be more scary if she were the man, because I would worry that there was physical abuse going on as well, but it wouldn’t be any more apparent.
@-NiamhWitch-2 күн бұрын
"Interesting how everyone is listening to Stephen's perspective." hahahaha
@lanceareadbhar2 күн бұрын
I thought this exact same thing when he was the only source on the word "grenade". According to Nick, he only talked to Ramses and Garrett so either Stephen overheard the conversation, Nick is lying, or Stephen heard it from Ramses or Garrett where the words may have changed from Nick's original comments. Nick definitely said something about her looks as he admits, but is adamant on not saying grenade so it's a he said he said situation.
@mini15572 күн бұрын
Yess…Stephen who completely forgot about the DMs he sent on the sleeping test and also the ones on the day after BUT remembers the specific phrasing of Nick talkin about the encounter with Hannah…yeah right (lol..since Stephen was probably drunk while he was talking to the other men on their get together)
@rivercah2 күн бұрын
And also Stephen first didn’t know who he texted with or he had never texted with her before, and then he knew her for a long time and has texted with her for a long time. He never deletes text threads, but he can’t show Monica the texts because he deleted them. He doesn’t remember what he wrote to her, but suddenly he can recall the whole conversation. I mean … this guy surely can’t be the source of truth! Why do they rely on Stephens word that Nick called Hanna a grenade? 😂
@tigibucaro13682 күн бұрын
if my ex bf who dumped me was telling me “you don’t text me anymore but you’re messaging other guys!” i would be like “…isn’t that what you wanted?”😂😂
@lexis_legacy2 күн бұрын
"a nick d pic" has to be the funniest thing you've ever said 🤣🤣 had me laughing so hard.
@oshibo2 күн бұрын
😂
@whatwillthisdoforprofiles18572 күн бұрын
OMG I JUST GOT IT
@liarg81822 күн бұрын
Right same 😂cracked me up
@D3NIALTWIST2 күн бұрын
I diiiied that was so good 😂
@BekaB85Күн бұрын
Wow, I am slow. ... I just got that. Thank you! 😂😂
@lsnum12 күн бұрын
i feel like it was clear to me that these were all things hannah found out after they broke up and while watching the show or talking to cast members in the last year. i don’t think her actions during the show have anything to do with this info, she’s looking for a way to justify what she did retrospectively
@mizzgwendolyn2 күн бұрын
This!
@CaptTrylaScott2 күн бұрын
Exactly !! No accountability with that girl
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
Exactly. Sadly, some people in the audience aren't sharp enough to understand that the time she found out about this stuff matters a lot. She's using it as implicit justification for her actions but it's simply not relevant.
@ohthatdickens692 күн бұрын
Also: if Marissa and Monica heard the "grenade" comment from Ramses and Stephen, that means Hannah's homegirls either knew Nick had said something bad and didn't tell Hannah right away, or: they told Hannah shortly after they heard it and she STILL stayed engaged to Nick and didn't call him out until just now. So either her girlfriends aren't real friends or Hannah was only pretending to love him and isn't as "direct" as she claims she is.
@lubietruskawki16682 күн бұрын
For sure. She definetely would mention it at least when breaking up but knowing Hannah "directness" if she have had know she would mention it before breakup
@alyssakennedy22502 күн бұрын
This reminds me when everyone was demonizing Cole because of things Zenab had told them and saying he was body shaming her and then with the cuties scene it showed everyone was wrong. I feel like this was a similar piling on. It’s also weird to me that Marissa even says she thought Nick was great until Hannah told her things. You’d think you’d trust your own opinion over someone you admit treats you badly even though she’s your “best friend”
@jessicamalonso2 күн бұрын
Totally. When she said "Hannah's been mean to me too" I just wanted Nick to say "Have I ever been mean to you?" Not because it would let him off the hook if he had said something mean about Hannah but just because all the women (especially Marissa) are going so hard to bat for someone that mistreats them!
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
I feel like this says a lot about Hannah's talent/power for manipulating the narrative. She's got everyone questioning themselves and believing her nonsense. It's great to be on this side of the camera lense safely observing this for what it is.
@KemiKayyКүн бұрын
The bad relationship Hannah and Marissa have is probably familiar to Marissa. Her mum has the same 'direct' personality so she feels more comfortable in that space.
@vida24592 күн бұрын
It’s so frustrating to watch Nick be berated when Hannah was a monster. Reminds me of how Paul was attacked and Micah being the victim. These reunions are falling short
@FishareFriendsNotFood9722 күн бұрын
Ehhh, I am on Hannah's side, so I think it's fair to bring up if he was two faced
@ryanmarquez94042 күн бұрын
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972lol you bought that huh
@commongirl35042 күн бұрын
@@ryanmarquez9404 he has to be related to Hannah or something. he was the one calling everyone misogynistic for criticizing her behavior from day 1. Mind you, we're 90% women. I don't think we need a man tell us about misogyny. and now he's coping after Honda called her abusive and made it official
@MyLifeBeLike236552 күн бұрын
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972thats quite crazy haha to be in Hanna’s side 😅I don’t get it, she obviously was for the wrong reason, she left Nick for Leo, after she discovers the “competition” Brittany created she goes back to Nick, she just wanted cameras time, in the first meeting with Nick she was disappointed, she said it, she didn’t even look back it was pretty obvious she just wanted to stay the longer so why throw rocks from a glass house?
@lilbeanbop2 күн бұрын
@@MyLifeBeLike23655No point arguing with people who justify abuse, don’t bother. Nothing anyone has or hasn’t done excuses the clear emotional abuse from Hannah, just like Kirk says. And he’s the professional
@sadcatbridge2 күн бұрын
Ah yes. Steven and Ramses, famously trustworthy sources of information and honestly on this season of Love is Blind. 🤨
@diamonument87772 күн бұрын
Calling someone grenade sounds exactly like something Stephen would say - Not Nick
@jessicamalonso2 күн бұрын
@@diamonument8777 100%. The way Nick talks about not calling her a grenade, I believe him. But I suspect one of those men on the stage did call her a grenade, and Nick was not going to call them out, and neither Stephen nor Ramses had any need/desire to put the heat on themselves.
@lanceareadbhar2 күн бұрын
I trust Ramses more as Nick confirmed in an interview that he talked to Ramses and Garrett in "Guy talk" about his being underwhelmed when he first saw Hannah. Ramses only seemed to confirm that they talked about it, but didn't confirm the language so I do agree that "grenade" was probably Stephen's word for what he either overheard or from what Ramses told him or he added that word when he told Monica. I believe Nick when he said he didn't say "grenade", but I'm sure he did say some unkind things which is why he just talked to his friends about it and didn't say it on camera.
@desiree45352 күн бұрын
Why did Nick confess, though after Ramses called him out?
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
@@desiree4535he never confessed he just admitted he talked about her looks.
@Beach_flower2 күн бұрын
1:00 in and I also want to mention about his athletic background. He’s probably used to being coached and told to do this better, do that better, etc. So he may have just taken that like a player reacting to their coach’s instruction. That makes a lot of sense why he didn’t immediately run, and instead took it like a challenge to get better
@mizzgwendolyn2 күн бұрын
This makes so much sense
@doreenplischke21692 күн бұрын
But that wouldn’t come from coaching but rather parenting.
@RomyElizabeth2 күн бұрын
Years as an athlete made me able to take critisism much better than my family example ever did. So I see that’s very likely same with Nick. Being able to take harsh critisism stoically is an appraised quality in the sports world.
@elenakalliste2 күн бұрын
He also did change his behavior, and it seemed like genuine remorse for coming off a certain way, especially when he realized how widespread the impression was with all the women.
@Beach_flowerКүн бұрын
@@doreenplischke2169 I agree that parenting most definitely played a huge part too!!
@Maggie9032 күн бұрын
Nick went on the Viall Files podcast recently and clarified that he did say that he was underwhelmed by Hannah's looks (this was directly after the reveal, before Mexico), but that he did not call her a grenade. He also says that Ramses wasn't there for this conversation. Can we trust him? Who knows, but I don't trust Stephen either lol.
@argggg70912 күн бұрын
Agree. And that should be okay, since Hannah was underwhelmed by his looks also. She did talk about it in the one on one interview. So if she's like, he should be honest on the show instead behind of her back, okay understandable but i'd rather have him talk about it behind your back rather than make you feel uncomfortable everytime you or your loved ones watch the show..and what if they ended up getting married, that statement in public would hurt the relationship
@MsMockingbird062 күн бұрын
They were both disappointed in each other’s looks because they gassed themselves up to much in the pods.
@ashleyw.6702Күн бұрын
@@MsMockingbird06 Exactly. He thought she was ugly, inside and out. Time for Hannah to move on. Stop reading the DMs that he is sending to other women. He doesn't belong to her.
@kimmi26622 күн бұрын
Marissa acting like an extension of Hannah is wild.
@RockyDaTherapist2 күн бұрын
And being good friends with her after Hanna was mean to her as well.
@alexandraflamand2142Күн бұрын
That is what codependent people will do.
@Culturalgoddesses2 күн бұрын
The problem is that this didn’t work because even if Nick thought or said that about her BEHIND the scenes, Hannah made it a point to EMBARRASS Nick on national tv.
@reneerevolinski48222 күн бұрын
It may be completely true that Nick was underwhelmed with Hannah's looks and rated her a 5 out of 10. That said, I also think the women are overdoing it and exaggerating what was actually said and done. Hannah's friends are going to say whatever they can to try and justify Hannah's abuse. In my opinion, the truth is somewhere in between.
@ellesmith-zs6de2 күн бұрын
if nick actually called hannah a grenade and was rude about her appearance then that’s definitely not a good look for nick. but on the other hand, if he was saying that hannah was a 5/10 for him and he was underwhelmed privately to castmates he was close to, i do think that’s an entirely different situation. it’s very normal to come back from a first date and have your friends ask “are they cute???” and for you to give your honest opinion. we could, once again, be seeing a betrayal of nick’s trust (a private conversation being put on blast without his consent).
@LauraAncaКүн бұрын
Yes, I think this also says a lot about-if not more-the “friend” who betrayed his trust.
@juliascott7082 күн бұрын
Hannah is so scary it’s so sad to see someone so proud of how cruel they are
@TrentYakle2 күн бұрын
Its crazy to see someone to sit across from their abusive ex and have so many people put so much attention on their mistakes
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
This is something that I think would be good to talk about more. Victims of abuse are not perfect people. That doesn't excuse or justify the abuse. What is really alarming to me is that it looks like Hannah doesn't seem to realize or acknowledge that she was and continues to be abusive. And then folks at the reunion didn't point out that what she did looked and sounded abusive. How is she and how is Nick supposed to have a shot in h e ll at recovery if no one is calling it was it is.
@ericahurtado98622 күн бұрын
I think maybe women were sending the dms to her while it was airing because it wasn't yet known to the public that they didn't stay together. But the fact that Hannah thought that was ammo against him makes no sense.
@jessicanoelle2012jp2 күн бұрын
Im tired of the narrative of "she treated him like garbage because he lowered her self esteem" We saw it with Chelsea, Zanab, and now Hannah. I think the best example of how to handle this like a lady is Nancy. She knew bartiste wasn't attracted to her. But instead of nearly ab*sing him, she showed grace and love regardless. Because she loved herself. Same with Deepti. 😊 Kat Williams said it best "it's called SELF esteem!!!!"
@dahliaherrod43012 күн бұрын
That's right. It's esteem of your mutha-effing self!😂
@RenayOpish2 күн бұрын
Deceptively had the patience of a saint.
@lara1208-b1pКүн бұрын
Yeah... not justifying anyone putting down their partners looks (I don't think he should have even said anything to the guys at all) but some of the comments smack of victim-blaming (not what Dr. Honda said, but some things I've read). What Nick said or did is not an excuse for how Hannah treated him.
@hannahaguirre29722 күн бұрын
Why is it shocking that Nick didn’t react much during the breakup? He was probably relieved to be released from the abuse . He was so beaten down at that point already .
@rivercah2 күн бұрын
Kirk is talking about the breakup in the pods. This was before Nick knew she was a bully.
@reneerevolinski48222 күн бұрын
I think Garrett believes the conversation is immature because its nothing more than "he said/she said."
@lara1208-b1p2 күн бұрын
yeah, or he might have just wanted it to end and was struggling for the right words. I would have wanted so bad to just stop it. It was such a DARVO move by Hannah and the whole cast was helping her out. I think the Lacheys should have ended it and from here on out, these couples need therapists while they go through this whole process.
@amariebloom2 күн бұрын
He was just doing the same boy code nonsense that Dr Honda just said was awful
@lara1208-b1p2 күн бұрын
@@amariebloom maybe, but he didn't do that with Ramses or Stephen.
@oodatooitis67142 күн бұрын
Agreed. As someone watching, this was absolutely ridiculous and transparent as to why it was happening. This is all about trying to take heat off Hannah for her behavior that SHE won't take accountability for. Take L and move on.
@ohthatdickens692 күн бұрын
That and the fact that all the women dog-piled on Nick like some middle school Mean Girls.
@Walkingfenix2 күн бұрын
I think it's telling that Stephen didn't say anything to clarify at any point. Especially if it's his rumor to start with.
@MsMockingbird062 күн бұрын
Hannah deflected to keep the heat off of her, but her behavior remained telling of her character.
@jessicanoelle2012jp2 күн бұрын
Everyone calls men a liar until a man says something that "validates" their story. Example; asking Stephen over and over again about Nick But when its Steven's turn to talk "omg Stephen!!!!! You're a liar!" So... idk... idk. Ok so nick called her a grenade THERES MEN SITTING THERE THAT CHEATED ON HIS FIANCE AND HIDING 3 KIDS! lol
@RenayOpish2 күн бұрын
I mean, this is the truly horrific situation of this season…
@lilbeanbop2 күн бұрын
And honestly, you can call your abusive partner or ex whatever you want if they have literally *abused* you! As if this is the focus of everyone, the insult Nick used when Hannah’s abuse was prolonged. It’s kind of like when abusers try to focus on reactive abuse to derail the focus of their own behaviour
@laurenking482220 сағат бұрын
Truly. I do not know why they are trying to make Nick the villain when there are so many already. You can't get a rise out of me for calling someone a grenade when they glossed over abandoning 3 kids.
@lara1208-b1p2 күн бұрын
Sometimes I wonder how much Hannah is getting "attacked" vs going on pages like this and reading comments she doesn't like. She probably is getting some legit abuse, I don't doubt it. People can be awful. But she was also going on Nick's page to see what people are saying so I'm betting she's going out of her way to read the negative stuff. You can just see from her face in the show that she thinks every rude comments she makes is righteous and I think she expected a different reaction from the public than she is getting. She is NOT self-aware.
@secret_badass2 күн бұрын
Nick Lachey is originally from Cincinnati, where I live. After he got famous he started pronouncing it “La-Shay,” but all the rest of his family says “latch-ey.” He and his brother owned a bar here for a long time called Lachey’s and everyone pronounced it “latch-ey’s”
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
I think it's funny and weird that Dr H insists on pronouncing his name "wrong" every time. Even if his last name started out that way Nick clearly changed it. Many famous people have done this. Who cares. It seems like a strange way to keep trying to belittle him or something. I'm not a fan of this. It's ok if you don't like him but I don't understand this tactic. It seems childish to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Dr H, and I could care less about Nick Lachey. I'm just not a fan of this seemingly intentional misremembering. If the guy is an evil menace I guess I could see the justification of trying to do something like that, but if he's not it just seems like a weird thing to do. I don't know. Maybe it's just me 🤷
@secret_badass2 күн бұрын
@ wow, that’s a lot. Obviously, I don’t actually know Kirk, but based on what I do know of him belittling someone for absolutely no reason doesn’t seem like a likely motivation from him. I think it’s more likely that Nick Lachey just isn’t culturally relevant to him and so he has a hard time remembering his name, perhaps with an added bit of knowing that he’s gotten it wrong in the past which might be causing him to over correct.
@katthecat66572 күн бұрын
Nick did an interview recently where he addresses lots of stuff including that he never called her grenade. Obviously we can't know for sure what he said or did not say as I can easily see him go either direction. But either way, he could have spoken trash about Hannah, blasted her on the Internet and he did none of that. I applaud him for that. I wonder if that is the reaction Hannah wanted from him, an opportunity for him to be as bad as her so that she could feel justified and play the the victim role.
@thelightworker012 күн бұрын
At the very least, Stephen had to be paraphrasing, as we saw him do on the show. This is why playing telephone things can get lost on translation
@neilgallagher79232 күн бұрын
As a person that has lost lots of weight, body anxiety can sometimes come across as the belief that everyone thinks you’re ugly and is talking about you. This might be happening with Hannah.
@thisismyinferno2 күн бұрын
Hannah was in the wrong. Nick didn't mistreat her based off what we've seen, and Stephen said it was right after the reveal. How is it any different from what she said about him? She didn't even know, and he treated her well. she was a monster to him. Hannah is very good at getting others to attack Nick along with her or for her. And some of the women "calling out" Nick now has blue check marks by their name on social media. Public attention comes from this show. It just does. Wanting love and public attention can both be true.
@diamonument87772 күн бұрын
Dr Kirk. PLeaseeee make sure you watch and review the video interveiw she did with US Weekly whereby Hannah said, and I quote " I was talking to him horribly and I apologize for that, but I just can’t believe he let me. I should not have done that, but he’d let me do it.” and later Interviewer: "What is your No. 1 question for Nick at the reunion?" Hannah: "Why did you let me speak to you in that way?"
@FishareFriendsNotFood9722 күн бұрын
Seriously? I interpret that statement to simply mean, 'why was he so completely checked out and did not fight for the relationship'
@stephanieluminous31162 күн бұрын
It seemed like she was poking at him in order to try and get a “real” reaction from him… but homegirl, if that’s what you feel inclined to do, because you don’t know what’s “real”, just break up, no need to verbally abuse someone for the sake of “testing”. But despite what she says, she wanted to be famous just as much as anyone else who goes on this show wants to be, so she stuck it out and showed her colors, all shades of red of them.
@FishareFriendsNotFood9722 күн бұрын
@@stephanieluminous3116 Yes, I mostly agree with this. I would also say I think she was venting rage at her parent's dynamic.....like the glimpse we saw of them was both the mom and Dad making pretty pointed 'jokes' about each other the whole dinner (like the whole, 'I make him eat in the closet so I can't hear him chew' thing....). I think subconsciously, Hannah both has an urge to reenact her parent's dynamic (lots of pointed quipping back and forth), so tried to, as you say, 'poke' Nick to engage in that.....but also Hannah was venting how deeply unhappy she was with her parent's dynamic, hence her trying to get everyone around her to turn on that dynamic with her and Nick, and her ultimately leaving him. I think we all, on some level, do this dance of both replicating and rejecting what our parents modeled for us.
@stephanieluminous31162 күн бұрын
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 that’s certainly possible. How she was raised and her parents interpersonal dynamic could potentially explain some of her abhorrent behavior, but it doesn’t excuse it. Part of me does feel bad for her though, growing up dynamics aside, if she speaks this way to other people, god only knows how she speaks to herself.
@Tcab962 күн бұрын
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 Your ability to twist Hannah’s words into a favorable light to try and absolve her of any wrongdoing is truly impressive.
@emmahathaway-vf6ml2 күн бұрын
She was comfortable saying things about his appearance ON camera. He said things to his boys in confidence!!!! Not the same thing. He never tried to publicly humiliate her. At least micah and Irene apologized.
@elenakalliste2 күн бұрын
This reunion was maybe one of the hardest LIB reunions to watch because so many people behaved so poorly during filming and NONE of them were held to task at all. Hannah was awful to Nick, I think abusive based on his demeanor in interacting with her, and somehow she flipped it around on him because he wasn’t drooling over her physically. The girl who was constantly complaining about her looks, hunching her shoulders in the reveal, and was so obviously furious at the way Nick looked vs what she had in her head. It is truly classics abuser behavior to project all your worst qualities onto your victim and act like they are forcing you to victimize them because of how deficient they are. And watching Marissa defend Hannah so intensely really made my immense sympathy evaporate for her in 5 minutes. She’s believing Stephen and Ramses over Nick? Nick is so calmly saying he didn’t say any of these things, there’s no indication that he’s lying. Stephen is a known liar. Ramses is a selfish man who seemed to he being trying to coerce Marissa. Who knows what Nick said, other than that he was “underwhelmed” which he admits. But it’s unlikely that his alleged comments were the cause of her behavior, if she were so direct and straight forward and truthful wouldn’t she have brought it up on camera to hold him accountable? It just seems like someone grasping at straws when they are being called out for being abusive.
@amandinedelamare42372 күн бұрын
All the women speaking up have been disappointed in their own relationship... Monica, Marissa and Alex... No words from either Ashley or Taylor... They are clearly projecting their bitterness towards the show and Nick is the easy target tbh... Not to mention that they were already biased after the pods.. we have to remember that the women and Marissa in particularly, were encouraging Hannah to get rid of Nick in the pods...
@FishareFriendsNotFood9722 күн бұрын
Yowza. It's 2024 and we're really pulling the whole 'single women's opinions matter less because they are just sad they don't have a man' card?
@amandinedelamare42372 күн бұрын
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 i guess you did not get my point... it is not about being single or married... it is to be bitter about their own relationship in LIB... Monica was deceived by Stephen in an armful way, Marissa was blindsinded by Ramses and Alex felt also disrespected in her relationship with Tim... Both 3 women, legitimately or not, are still really hurt and i am not sure they have moved on... on the other side, Taylor and Ashley who were also podcasts are not as engaged in the Nick bashing... I will put in perspective with another season - season 3-, Alexa was married and she backed up Zanab in her shit in a very similar situation... they did not go on Bartise. This year, I am wondering if they are noy projecting their anger towards Nick instead their own stories...
@FloatingInSpace57022 күн бұрын
Idk this is coming off rather sexist to me. If men who got out of a relationship a year ago rallied around one of their friends to make note that his ex called him a grendade, I don’t think you would call them “bitter” and biased because they are all diss appointed in their own relationships…..
@amandinedelamare42372 күн бұрын
@FloatingInSpace5702 once there is no proof he called him a grenade beside rumours and hearsay coming from Stephen who is an attention seeker and known for his controversial language (and grenade would defo be part of his vocabulary like "sucking d****" or homewreckers)... Ramses tried to call him out but it was really vague and he was looking at the floor, it looked for me he was more covering his ass and shift the blame away... The women all had a negative opinion about Nick already in the pods. What is disturbing for me in this show particularly in this show is that woman abusive behaviour is rarely called out, unlike men for sometimes something irrelevant. I have several examples in mind: Paul, Marshall, Cole, Jimmy and this season here Nick... on the opposite side, women were pretty left alone: Zanab, Micah, Jackie, Chelsea or even Hannah... the blame shifting is awful... this show hold a lot of males accountable, not even the villain oned and enable or justify toxic or abusive behaviours...
@lsnum12 күн бұрын
re: grenade, i’m in my 30s and remember that term from the jersey shore days and using it when i was in my 20s. are 20s people still using that term today? honestly asking because it doesn’t seem like something i’ve heard recently. if that is true it’s less likely that nick, in his 20s, would say that and more likely that stephen, in his 30s, would use that word when describing the convo.
@dahliaherrod43012 күн бұрын
Thank you! I had the exact same thoughts
@LNKnK2 күн бұрын
I know as a collective we're trying to not label ppl as narcissists so freely but having dealt with one before, I really think Hannah is one. She did an interview recently on Not Skinny but Not Fat and I would seriously love to hear your thoughts on it. She's still spinning and slightly adapting the narrative to this day with no awareness of how it makes her look. I also was told that a narcissist typically projects their faults on you. Didn't Hannah's list label Nick as immature, delusional, lacking self awareness and over confident? No, I'm not a professional but I feel like if people don't know what narcissism seriously looks like? This is it. Would seriously love to hear your thoughts on this, Dr. H.
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
I couldn't agree more. Once you've dealt with someone who is pathologically narcissistic you can't unsee it and you often become good at noticing it in other people. Personally I feel like we saw enough of Hannah to be fairly confident that she has a highly narcissistic personality.
@lilbeanbop2 күн бұрын
@@IshtarNikeYep I agree, once you’ve experienced it you can recognise it in others very easily. From what I’ve seen she is a narcissist, and we shouldn’t be scared of using that phrase when it actually applies-especially if we have the life experience to validate what we are seeing
@michaelm83442 күн бұрын
Let's assume that Nick did, in fact, rate her looks. Their (Nick and Hannah's) behavior is so far from being equivalent to each other, it's laughable. Middle school rhetoric.
@jijimo51252 күн бұрын
It's honestly the best way to deal with any criticism, ask specifically what so you can do to improve in the future. If they can specify, thank them/explain your point more thoroughly. If they can't, they are just attacking you to attack you. I had this with a manager who said I was being too negative in my email giving feedback to someone else, so I asked professionally specifically what I wrote and how I can improve it for next time as I don't want to be negative. He then said that I was not negative at all 😅
@fitfulfire25882 күн бұрын
Tbh i dont trust almost anyone on this set about what was said. Almost everyone on that stage lied in their relationship. So i dont know about their credibility.
@kaylanelson6172 күн бұрын
My husband and I both think Taylor looks SO much like Olivia Munn, curious if anyone else sees it too
@alexgrey79722 күн бұрын
Not really 🤷🏽 both are gorgeous women though
@dahliaherrod43012 күн бұрын
I absolutely see it
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
I see it. They have the same face shape.
@44nk96Күн бұрын
Netflix willingly threw Nick under the bus so people wouldn't focus on Tyler (Netflix is trying to cover up him abandoning his kids and the facts).
@ElaniHill2 күн бұрын
I know Dr Honda is an amazing therapist from the way he will give a valid reason for Hannah's behavior and make sense of the half thought sentences she makes in the name of "mature". She crazy.
@jesssc4022 күн бұрын
Everyone’s saying that Nick said it but their source is Steven, not the most reliable, plus he wasnt providing any details
@ThePumpkinhead132 күн бұрын
when I saw it was Stephen, who lied and caught lying on camera, who said Hannah's accusation was true I laughed really loudly. like, for real we are going to listen to Stephen?? fuck me.
@jesssc4022 күн бұрын
@@ThePumpkinhead13 right? And these girls act like they were the ones who heard it. I have seen things like this happened in social situations but when you really get to the bottom of things, usually it’s all he says she says. If Steven truly heard Nick said it, he’d say something like, you said it when we were at this place, blah blah, we were talking about blah blah, as it’s a very distinct comment and unless one has dementia, it’s just impossible to forget the details when you’re being put in the spot and your reliability is being questioned. Nick is being consistent and firm about not bringing up Hannah’s looks. But oh well, it wasn’t caught on camera 🤷🏻♀️ burden of proof is on the accuser. Why would Steven lie? So he would look better and less suspicious. Malicious people like Steven do stuff like these…
@KJ-jd5ko2 күн бұрын
Facts
@whtycКүн бұрын
After the reunion, Steven claimed that while Nick did confide in not being immediately attracted to Hannah, he said he doesn’t remember Nick using the term “grenade”. For what it’s worth 🤷♀️
@danibrown63182 күн бұрын
WHO’S BEING MEAN TO DR. KIRK 😡😡😡
@IfyouBelleve2 күн бұрын
Hannah shushing nick was the grossest thing and reminds me what not to do to someone
@jadahsanchez94012 күн бұрын
What’s she’s accusing him of doesn’t even compare to how poorly she has treated Nick… it doesn’t excuse or justify her behavior
@maybememory12 күн бұрын
Didn’t Hannah try to leave the show right after the reveal? As in, she didn’t like what he looked like or his height, or both, and was prepared to leave immediately? Even if he did say something about her looks to someone else, is that any worse than her shit talking him to her friends while they were together, and going through his things together looking for some dirt to blast or embarrass him with? It definitely wasn’t in the spirit of love on her part. She might be the most immature person ever on LIB…
@marie4_42 күн бұрын
THANK YOU for pointing out how many people have zero interest in being on reality TV, because you have to at least be open, if not fully desiring the attention and fame. It's so hypocritical for them to pile on that detail. When Monica mentions that he was talking to the people on the plane, I could easily conceptualize it because of the duck situation. Nick is friendly. He's very open to talking to strangers, while some of the other cast would be embarrassed by those interactions.
@JaceySpacey2 күн бұрын
Not stephen's most tepid "yeah" after being asked if the grenade story actually did happen lol. I wish they pressed him on it even harder bc stephen is the last person i would trust on that cast to accurately convey a story. We've also seen hannah exaggerate and misrepresent or misremember stories (e.g. the duck story etc). There's simply no reliable or tangible evidence of nick saying those things. Even if it did happen theres just not enough info for us the viewers to come to any meaningful conclusion on that.
@KJ-jd5ko2 күн бұрын
Facts
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
This is very important. One added word can completely change a story. That's what she did with the duck story. She's very skilled at twisting people's actions to make her seem like the victim.
@whatwillthisdoforprofiles18572 күн бұрын
I have no idea why Nick telling people they're there to film a show is somehow something that is "mean" to Hannah. Or even that it shows that he's fake. Nick seems like a friendly person. What they call "flirting" with women is probably similar to him just talking to men. (Of course that is all my speculation.)
@jessicamalonso2 күн бұрын
Yeah it seems innocuous and friendly, like he was with the woman and the ducks
@ohthatdickens692 күн бұрын
Even if he was "flirting" with that older woman, some people just naturally flirt without realizing that's what they're doing. What are you going to do, lock him in the closet? It's not like Nick and the last on the beach were going to start rolling around in the surf together right in front of her. It was just a playful exchange and they're never going to see each other again. I would find it funny.
@lawoman6082 күн бұрын
I don't know how Nick ended up being blamed in the end as if it was already not enough the abuse he went through.
@ItsYukiToo2 күн бұрын
This reminds me of the "Cuties" situation with Cole and Zanab. Everyone dog-piling only for it to come out that the dog-piling was MASSIVELY misplaced 🤦♀️
@Hesadryt2 күн бұрын
Yea it seems like Hannah and Nick were both no at the reveal. Or felt they were mutual no. Then became a game to figure out how to look the most aggrieved on the way to the inevitable end.
@AntoniaG19912 күн бұрын
I think Zach’s reaction is in line of ”jesus christ this is so incredibly high school”, but I like Zach and I had that reaction to this lol
@AntoniaG19912 күн бұрын
(Not that I find her particularly ugly or anything but I most definitely would if she was abusing me emotionally every day lol)
@MegaGreencarebear2 күн бұрын
The pot calls the kettle a "clout-chaser"!
@christiana7832 күн бұрын
I think two things can be true: 1) Hannah's behaviour was unacceptable and she needs therapy. 2) Nick didn't take the show seriously and said mean things about Hannah behind her back. They are both immature and neither should have come on the show 🤷♀
@amariebloom2 күн бұрын
Exactly! Well said
@LawFirmMentorКүн бұрын
EXACTLY! It seems people’s understandable disdain for Hannah has them fighting tooth and nail to disregard the overwhelming likelihood that Nick was talking about her behind her back and was likely faking his interest to remain on the show.
@annie_charcheologist2 күн бұрын
Hannah weaponising a laundry list of irrelevant, exaggerated “facts” that she didn’t know about until after filming as retrospective justification for her relentless abuse. The double standards and constant contradictions. The perpetual victim/martyr narrative. Every cluster B type that I know does all these things. It’s designed to be discombobulating and put the victim into defensive mode, to provoke a reaction that they can point to as abuse.
@Laurissax3282 күн бұрын
Im too obsessed with watching videos about this so glad I found your channel 😊
@richardsp2 күн бұрын
The show is Love is Blind. On the street, Nick probably would not have hit on Hannah. In the pods, he developed feelings. Nothing that the women have said about Nick justifies Hannah going through his stuff, nor the way she treated him… “I taught you everything!” Come on!
@teodescartes17712 күн бұрын
Nick’s WAY TOO graceful, dang
@BekaB85Күн бұрын
I wonder if some of those "women Nick was DMing with" were actually Hannah and that is how she has read "All" the DMs. Just a thought.
@johmayo70422 күн бұрын
I do think Nick needs more life skills, and that Nick was underwhelmed by Hannah, physically, but I don't think he talked shit about her. And I don't take Stephen and Ramses as reliable sources, especially with the way they come to Hannah's defense. It seems more like they don't want more heat than they're getting online at the time of recording.
@aby_lev89Күн бұрын
The fact that they focused so much on this stupid grenage comment and attacked nick like this,and didn't even address Hannah's awful behavior makes me want to scream! There's endless footage of her abusing and dreaming him, and no one says a thing?seriously?!
@ruthielalastor2209Күн бұрын
Garrett's zoned-out face throughout 😂😂😂
@patrickorourke412 күн бұрын
Why did they spend soooooo much time on the Hannah and Nick stuff when they should have been drilling Tyler about his kids and why he abandoned them?
@ruthielalastor2209Күн бұрын
I'm so frustrated that almost no one defended Nick (Great Garrett was there to say something.) when so much of the show proper was already this dynamic of Hannah berating him for reasons of varying legitimacy.
@basiakerley85922 күн бұрын
A Nick D pic 💀
@amyparker2992 күн бұрын
That part sent me! 😂
@mariatellez4042 күн бұрын
I’ve been waiting… not so patiently 😂 made my Friday!
@thobilembuli85712 күн бұрын
Same.
@deanna4851Күн бұрын
Marissa has more to say about Nick and Hannah situation than her and Ramses? I guess that is more comfortable for her while still expressing emotions about Ramses.
@jazmynshepherd41612 күн бұрын
I think Nick did voice that he wasn’t attracted to Hannah, but I don’t think he used the word grenade. Grenade is a very specific colloquial term often used in Italian-American communities, which makes me think that Stephen actually brought it up. I can see Nick mentioning that he was underwhelmed with her looks and Stephen clarifying by asking or saying “oh is she a grenade?” Or something along these lines.
@onedirectionlover3172 күн бұрын
YES, my thoughts exactly! Honestly that seems more likely given all of their personalities - him saying he was underwhelmed, someone else asking “so a grenade?”, him maybe agreeing, and then them equating that with him actively going around calling her a grenade. Honestly, I didn’t even know the term until this show.
@Shantajamieson2 күн бұрын
How are these women becoming best friends so fast? 😂😂😂
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
😂😂😂 Right?! And Hannah apparently has like 12 best friends (that she just met) 😂😂😂
@randitaylor71612 күн бұрын
Im wondering if nick said something like, hannahs okay but she probably has a bunch of hot friends and stephen was like, monica, he called her a grenade.
@ellesmith-zs6de2 күн бұрын
that’s my guess too. he didn’t use the term “grenade” but maybe said something that was close to the definition (which is Not Great) or he said something like “i feel like a bomb went off” while also talking about first impression and it got misconstrued.
@amaryllis-abloom2 күн бұрын
It's so helpful how Dr. Kirk explains triangulation. I didn't know that there's such a thing like functional triangulation 😮
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
Yeah, I've never heard the word triangulation used in a positive sense. Interesting.
@cocojumbo23232 күн бұрын
Thank you for calling out the „bro-code-thing“ and how it needs to stop 💪🏽
@shatzoren12 күн бұрын
Hannah came across as cruel or insensitive at the least, but that is not mutually exclusive with a self testimony of being direct. She probably simply means she was direct in her cruel remarks rather than beating around the bush...
@HayleyDalgetty-k9u2 күн бұрын
I think overall Hannah is trying to create a narrative that Nick was just on the show to get famous and didn’t really love her because she knows she looks mean/abusive in the edit and is trying to deflect or make him look as bad as she does.
@lmsmith0152 күн бұрын
This part of the reunion is sooo hard to rewatch
@amandadosanjos39942 күн бұрын
Eh .. in my opinion, nick played the long game and it worked out for him 🤷🏻♀️ people are equating Hanna’s behavior to Tyler’s and basically she’s the all time LIB villain now.
@InThisEssayIWill...Күн бұрын
Nick may not have broken down crying when Hannah broke up with him... But he was going to leave the show because she was his only connection he wasn't going to stick around as an extra in the lounge and maybe we could say something about him putting all his eggs in one basket regardless of fit just because it was his ONLY option.. but Hannah was there in those pods too and could have chosen to go home single.. 🤷
@suras89842 күн бұрын
I feel like a giggling child who heard her teacher swear for the first time when Dr. Honda threw the F bomb lollllll
@martajarosz97762 күн бұрын
Dr. Honda's comment about Taylor's dress ❤😂
@rivercah2 күн бұрын
I’ve lost complete track of all the lies Stephen has told. Can’t believe he is the source of truth about what Nick supposedly said.
@Culturalgoddesses2 күн бұрын
I wonder how much of Nick being ok with Hannah’s personality has to do with the fact that his mom is Cuban and an attorney. My mother in law is Cuban and has a big personality but can also be very critical of her children.
@brittanywitmartin40242 күн бұрын
thank you for speaking on the bro code bullshit. it's incredibly harmful and sexist and needs to stop.
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
Yes! This! I would love a good and even longer rant about this. Maybe he already has. If anyone knows another video where he goes into this more I love to know about it. It was so great to hear him talk about this!
@marymulderry2 күн бұрын
"Hold the line and deny" After rewatching this with the Doc, I definitely get the sense that Nick told Ramses in confidence, and Ramses most likely went and told Stephen what Nick said behind Nick's back. Nick repeatedly looks to Ramses when confronted with this (painfully immature) call-out by Hannah , and Ramses stays closed off, pursing his lips repeatedly (as is Marissa), and he says little if anything to Nick in response - he just wants to get out of the whole situation. Once Nick takes a stand to say "I never once mentioned Hannah's looks at all", Ramses, who knows that Nick told him (directly) something in confidence about Hannah, quickly looks at Nick in almost disbelief, knowing Nick is lying on television, knowing that Stephen heard from Ramses that Nick said something, and therefore Marissa knew via proximity to Ramses during filming, and subsequently became "best friends" with Hannah and it all got back around to Hannah - and to everyone in the group. I'm focusing on Ramses mostly because Stephen's accounts don't hold weight, and it's easy to pick up Nick seeming to only think Ramses knows what he thought. Nick most likely genuinely did not want Hannah to know his true "rating" of her looks out of sparing her feelings, and he sure as hell didn't want the audience to know how he truly felt. He, as Doctor H says, is opting to "hold the line and deny" because A. obviously it makes him look bad and B. he's still playing the role of overly fawning/accommodating/patient/ towards Hannah despite her "ugly" behavior! Hannah feeling insecure due to thinking or getting indications either directly or indirectly that Nick wasn't attracted to her is not reason enough for Hannah's vitriol towards Nick. Every so called "slam dunk" by Hannah on Nick is another embarrassing example of her extreme lack of self of awareness and brutal self-hatred being externalized and projected on to Nick, who continues to take it on the chin.
@HaleyGraves-i7q2 күн бұрын
12:40 “This all bro code and girl code… all that shit needs to stop. There should just be a human code. If someone is treating someone like shit, it shouldn’t matter who you’re friends with and whose gender is what. It’s so fucking stupid and it’s based on the patriarchy. That’s the origin of the bro code.” 13:03 “[The origin of the bro code] Is that men will support each other in both subtle and non-subtle, systemic and individual ways to uphold their power, and one of the ways they’ll do it is that they will never rat each other out to each other’s wives because then that let’s them get away with infidelity, harm, and financial control… and it’s not manly, it just makes you look sexist.” fuck yeah, Dr. Honda!! 🙌
@sundog51432 күн бұрын
Yes! ❤❤❤👏👏👏
@Baran134572 күн бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks that even thought there is no justifying Hannah’s behaviour towards nick, I believe that Ramses and Steven were telling the truth about the grenade thing. I doubt that he would create that insult out of thin air
@IshtarNike2 күн бұрын
It's entirely possible. I personally think that it's one of those situations where it's made worse by it being focused on. Like maybe he said it but without his heart in it. It's a shitty thing to say but in private, one time, upon first meeting? It has nothing of the weight of contempt Hannah showed for Nick over and over day in day out. It's the difference between your manager calling you a cunt behind your back before they get to know you, and calling you a dumbass who is shit at their job to your face at every shift. They are not comparable and I feel like the gender dynamic is being abused here. Is it worse for a man to shit on a woman's looks in our society? Yes. Is it always equally as bad or worse than whatever a woman like Hannah can do? Definitely not. It's being used as the ONE piece of evidence to suggest a pattern of behaviour that no one else has seen. No one but Hannah. Hannah who clearly has a very deep vested interest in making herself look better because she came off so badly on the show. By creating this narrative that nick was secretly nasty about her looks and not on the show for legitimate reasons she creates doubt. And often sowing doubt is all that someone needs to get away with bad behaviour. There's a book called merchants of doubt all about how he oil lobby spent time specifically sowing doubt about climate change because they knew outright denial wasn't as believable or effective as both sidesing things.
@yuzu._33122 күн бұрын
In Germany the german word "Granate" is actually used in a positive context, to say that someone looks hot or sexy
@ToniPust2 күн бұрын
Fellow german here. I was sooo confused at first 😅
@whatwillthisdoforprofiles18572 күн бұрын
Respectfully, I can't stand her
@FishareFriendsNotFood9722 күн бұрын
Respectfully, maybe unpack that
@TrishisFlabbergastedКүн бұрын
She really thought this would make her look better to the public eye, but honestly I feel like this made it worse. She still comes out looking like a horrible abusive person.
@hannahaguirre29722 күн бұрын
How could anyone believe a word that comes out of Stephen’s mouth anyway ?
@jurmanw76892 күн бұрын
I am concerned about this word grenade. When I was younger it was used to describe someone beautiful who could "blow up your world" in a good way. In this country the word grenade is to describe a very beautiful woman. I did fine another meaning for it in general language use in some English speaking countries "Grenade behavior is typified by someone who is nice and eager to please but then just blows up from time to time without cause or warning. What's happening here? These nice people are just so eager to meet other people's needs that they forget about their own." After watching this I think this last one describes Hannah best...she can be explosive with some of her reactions. Nick spent time in Canada with football. Does his understanding of what grenade differs to tge others? Maybe he did say something but only learnt after it's not nice? Maybe his social experiences with some slang words have been limited.
@jurmanw76892 күн бұрын
...i mean here in germany
@Ajgirl19912 күн бұрын
Look if I was in nicks position of being on love is blind. I would be telling everyone around me as well lol. I can’t keep my mouth shut when I’m excited or happy. And you know what I would at some point consider getting famous off it. These girls need to stop being hypocrites and acting like they’re calling out hypocrisy.
@erikablue3757Күн бұрын
As a socially awkward person who is not "up with the lingo," I could see myself hearing vague things about people looking like grenades and assuming it's a good thing and repeating it as such. People say some one looks bomb, fire, smoke show, etc, and all those things are considered good. Without the urban dictionary definition in front of me, it would have been a 50/50 guess for me if it's considered a good thing or bad thing. The people he talked to, I'm sure got the vibe he was meaning. So I'm not refuting them. This just came to my mind
@hopesnvts60272 күн бұрын
I don't get how Hannah can be so abusive and mean toward Nick but everyone continues to gang up on and attack him instead of her. Not that it'd be fair in either direction but wow. Of course gender reversal isn't a 1-1 match as Kirk points out in his videos, but I feel like Nick would be getting a lot of hate if he treated Hannah the way she treated him...
@Keepinitreal552 күн бұрын
What’s disgusting is that they sit there pretending that they didn’t objectify everyone else, their partners and other partners as well! Even if Nick said it, none of them have any moral ground. I mean look at Monica! 🤢This was one of the most shallow casts on LIB