e*thirteen TRS+ 9-46t issues - SOLVED! - SRAM Eagle 12 Speed Chains on 11 speed

[@austinado16]

Late to the party here in July 2022, but still wanted to thank you for your skill/knowledge, and information in this video. I just purchased a 2012 Carbon Scott Spark 10. The previous owner had replace the 2x10 with 1x11, using this e*Thirteen cassette. The chain was worn out, the 3 aluminum gears were worn out, as were their shifting ramps, the 46T was bent, and the derailleur was bent. I replaced the 3 aluminum gears, the chain, straightened the derailleur, and installed a new DUB BB and crankset, with a direct mount 30T AB oval chainring that has 6mm offset to center the chain line. I also replaced the shift cable. It was very tough to get the shifting dialed in, across the entire cassette, and the chain jump on back pedaling, was also frustrating. So glad I just found your video!! Edit: I should mention that I have 4 bikes that have been converted to 1x11. All shift beautifully, no back pedal issues, chain runs quiet, and they were easy to adjust the shifting on. All have 30T AB ovals. This particular bike, with the e*thirteen TRS is the only bike with issues, and the only one where I had to bias the shifting adjustment towards the larger sprockets, and leave the smallest one slightly clicking, and somewhat slower to shift into. Very frustrating. Had I done my research when I first picked up the bike a few weeks ago, I would have simply purchased a new cassette from SRAM. I had no idea about the quality issues with this e*Thirteen TRS cassette. My only experience with e*Thirteen has been with their outstanding "Plus" aluminum flat pedals, and their carbon chain ring protectors. Thank you!!

[@lukasholecek5911]

Imagine what "awesome" means and then double it. That's how great your channel is! Your spot-on, informative and honest real life reviews and tips are priceless. There is not enough "Thank you", that can be said. Please, keep up this great work. We all love it. Cheers from trails of the Czech Republic. (And if you'll ever come here, I'll happily arrange everything for you and take you for the best trails we have here.)

[@lukasholecek5911]

@@LoveMTB Wow, that's great. So if you'll ever feel like contacting me, feel free hitting [e-mail] (It's my "public display" mail, but I check it regularly). There are many great trails in our country: XC, flow, Enduro race stages, DH and bikeparks... BTW, there is a nice smaller bikepark "Rock-It-Nice" now in rokytnice (3 tracks) (I know the site sucks in EN) www.skiareal-rokytnice.cz/en/letni-aktivity/bikepark/

[@mikef2270]

I really appreciate all the info you provide on your channel, I'm in the process of upgrading my SC Bronson from a 2x10 to 1x11 with the E13 TRS+ absolute black sram DM oval chainring XT GS rear mech and XTR shifter. Based on one of your previous videos I went with the SRAM 11 speed PC X1 chain. Still getting everything switched over so I have't got a chance to get out on the trails yet but I was able to cut 1.5 lbs of weight by making the switch. Just want to say thanks again because all your videos have made it a lot easier to gather up all the necessary components without having to guess whether or not if they are going to work together or create more head aches down the road.

[@user-rc9ff5gc8i]

Good stuff! I must try this 12 speed fix. The guys at E13 told me to "split" the cassette on the bike. Put the bike's chain on the AL part and while holding the pedal use just one chain whip to unlock the steel portion. Works great. Thanks LoveMTB.

[@benzclubru]

Hi, tell me. I have the same cassette. On a run of 1500km, it broke down, the service said this is a common problem, since the cassette is two-piece and that this cannot be solved in any way. what can be done in this situation, which cassette to change?

[@benzclubru]

@@LoveMTB thank u

[@luvefb18]

Thank you for all the tested information. It was your earlier video on the trs that helped me decide on what cassette to run on a new bike build an now with the info on what chain to use, I thank you again. Keep up the great honest videos brother. 👍

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

You have the best mtb channel on KZbin. Love ur narration. Thanks for all the reviews and guides. Your the best bro.

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Your up early lol

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

I will be moving to dallas in a few weeks. Know of any awsome single tracks or flow trails there? Most what i see online is rocky shady trails

[@Lorikeetman]

This works so well. Put a SRAM XO1 chain on my E13 11 speed cassette and no more issues with the 9 tooth. It's shifting as smooth as ever too. Thanks for the tip.

[@TrailFeatures]

Very interesting! I actually did something like this on a 10spd drivetrain by using a 11spd chain to resolve some noise and shifting issues. I believe some say this can wear the teeth a little faster, but the benefits were worth it for me.

[@nayrdrumr]

Great tip on using a 12 speed chain. I just got this cassette and love it. I will be replacing my 11spd with the eagle chain when the time comes.

[@alxdacrow]

My bike is using E13 9-44 Cassette with Pc X1 chain and Raceface Next SL G4 Crank with 32 chairing. Everything works fine except for the issue on the 9 tooth as shown in your video. Overall it works perfectly.

[@zatkins100]

I had all the same issues my 1st gen e*thirteen cassette, along with the idexing that would go out as you moved away from which ever gear you indexed... I did get a replacement gen2 cassette from e*thirteen, no hassle. But I also noticed that the 11speed chain was a little too wide for the cassette spacings... So when I replaced the cassette I went for a 12speed chain, and it works perfectly ever since, runs silently and gear changes are crisp & accurate...

[@MrDjindian]

I have the newer version e13 9-46t cassette with the Shimano XT M8000 GS derailleur, Wolftooth 30t round chainring and 12 speed Sram GX chain. It shifts great, but I'm getting nasty chain drop while back pedaling on the 46t... I moved my chainline inward more so the chain is centered on the 6th cog rather than the 5th and it still drops! Any ideas on how to stop this?

[@zoubtube]

how does the 12 speed chain shift under load when compared to the 11 speed chain? particularly towards the the low end when climbing

[@MrSojulove01]

I should have mentioned that when I was praising this cassette months ago. That was my only gripe with the cassette was that 10t cog catch. As you said in the video though, why would you need to be back pedaling in the 10t cog out on the trail to even care? So yea after a while, I just learned to ignore it...

[@igehring]

Thanks for the video ! I will be using e-13 with GX Sram deraileur , 12s chain, sram 11s shifter

[@MTBThrumyeyez]

great stuff. Thanks for doing this. I am looking at going from 11-40 to 11-50 11 speed. Haven't ordered anything so this helps.

[@lytleric]

No issues using the GS short cage derailleur? On their website, e*thirteen recommends the longer cage SGS for improved shifting, but according to Shimano the GS has a capacity of 37t, which should be enough for the 9-46 cassette (46-9=37). I am about to convert my 2x10 to a 1x11 and will obviously need a new derailleur also. I was always under the impression that shorter cage derailleurs actually shift better, and longer cages are only needed to manage more chain slack. Just wondering why e*thirteen recommends the longer cage...

[@MattPayne1]

Huh, never thought of that. I have a slight back pedal issue with the e13 and the largest cog. Though I blamed it on the chainline. moved a thin bb space from the right side to the left side and it solved the back pedal issue for me. Though it was a guerrilla gravity and their chain lines are a little different. No issues with the smallest cog and back pedaling with the kmc chain on 2 bikes. Will keep the sram 12 speed in mind for next seasons chain though.

[@dennismicallef9350]

Mine doesn't seem to have any backpedalling issues. Could be boost spacing on my bike is making it line up better? Not sure. Good to know that a 12sp chain can help if I do have issues in the future though.

[@77bassett77]

I would be curious to see if boost spacing for your direct mount chainring may cure the backpedaling issue on the 9 tooth cog. Also to see if it affects the backpedaling on the 46 as well

[@izzudeenayub7047]

Emm as usual a very2 good video.. it has been about half year since your first video about e13.. but as clearly seen in your video, the cassette doesnt show any sign of wear.. how frequent do you ride your bike.?

[@gregneu-t8i]

did you drop some links from the 12 speed chain? if so how many

[@matejkoren8008]

Hi m8! :) I have same cassette on my bike with xt shiffter and xt rear derailleur. 175mm 32t crankset e*thr trs. I just bought same sram eagle 12speed chain and I'm putting it on these days. How is your impression from then to now on with all shiffting components? Did you have some damage on cassette or chain? Tnx for interesting and very usefull info.

[@militaryminedid2011]

Wish this worked for me with the newly installed Eagle chain and eThirteen cassette. Today I even swapped out the Race Face chainring for an Absolute Black non boost (6 mm) which brought my chainline closer to the bb/chainstay by 1.5 mm but same issue again. I was watching another video which mentioned this cassette and Shimano aren't designed to keep the chain on in the bigger rings while backpedaling. Something about a groove or cut in the cassette at one point in the rotation which makes it come off.

[@militaryminedid2011]

@@LoveMTB I can get a full rotation. However I'm not always going all out up and down hill. I (emphasis on I) like to backpedal from time to time on long non-tech descents to keep my legs loose...just to switch it up from soft pedaling forward. Happy Trails!

[@natanaellorenzi5]

It still works well!? Im using a kmc x1193 in a cassete 11/50 11s. Do you recommend gx 12s for that group?

[@mdoucette45]

I have an XTR Shimano shifter and derailleur and the same E13 cassette. Will both of those SRAM chains work with that setup? I read somewhere that SRAM chains don’t work well on Shimano’s, but that might be on a Shimano cassette!

[@fairtomiddling]

was looking at a YT Jeffsy Comp that comes with this cassette. i've now realised they sell it with a GX Eagle chain, same as your preference

[@Malio75]

I just picked up a new/used version of this cassette that was a takeoff off of a YT Capra. The included chain was an 11 speed Shimano as per YT spec.

[@fairtomiddling]

@@Malio75 yeah that's interesting, two different models from YT, same cassette but different chains. both have E*Thirteen cranks (so would assume chainrings), but different models, wonder if that's why. Jeffsy has just been updated, could also be that

[@nightshift6244]

@@fairtomiddling I'm with you: the update would explain the different chains. YT are really sticking with the 1x11 e*thirteen 9-46 with most of their trail bikes. I'm really looking forward to finding out how this performs.

[@fairtomiddling]

@@nightshift6244the availability of the cassette in the UK is a factor for me getting one on a YT. could replace with with xt, but would have to buy a Shimano freehub. An eagle GX shifter and derailleur, on special offer, wouldn't be that much more expensive!

[@matthewking4678]

houndalism getting the e*thirteen cassette could be an issue in the UK. They are expensive but accessible in Canada which is why I went with a new take-off. I already had a 1x11 SRAM X1 shifter/derailleur so I was going for the Eagle range on the cheap. It was about 1/3 the price of an Eagle GX groupset so I figured I’d go for it.

[@robertslosar7565]

Have you tried the Eagle chain on XT cassette? Does it drop while back pedaling?

[@simonbenz1536]

hi, I have a e13 TRS+ casette and a Shimano CN e8000 chain. The chain jumps teeth (while staying on the same gear) after only a few rides. Can it wear of so quickly? Could it be that the e13 casette and the shimano chain just dont match very well? the bike (yt decoy cf pro race) was delivered like that. thanks

[@williammorris6097]

I've been racing for years and don't ever recall needing to backpedal. So whats the issue if you don't need to do it? Am I missing something?

[@jaimehop1763]

I had no luck using the 12 speed Sram GX Eagle chain as suggested. Chain creaked in every cog, big or small. Not sure why, since all chains internal measurements are supposed to be the same. It’s the outside that changes width. Any clues? Did others have luck with it?

[@jaimehop1763]

@@LoveMTB it could be that, but again, it’s a race face and I would be surprised if it also went after just one chain at 0.5 elongation.

[@jaimehop1763]

@@LoveMTB Do you mean I should pay no attention to chainring creaking? Did it happen to you since chainring was new? Will it creak forever o will it eventually stop? Thank you for your comments.

[@steveboyle5245]

How about measuring the gap between the 9 and 10 tooth cogs as compared to other cogs. It would seem that there is a much greater overlap of the meaty part of the 9 to 10, than the 10 to 12 or any other step up. Should ethirteen have added an extra 0.15mm between the 9 and 10 cogs?

[@slow_rider_st]

I'm having the same problem! I'm going to try the eagle 12speed chain. I'm only having problems with the two smaller gears. That's weird

[@jackbuchen1155]

So this cassette should also accept a SRAM X01 Eagle chain, based on your use of the GX Eagle chain? Thanks in advance for your response!

[@jackbuchen1155]

LoveMTB great! Thanks

[@XCRiders]

I wish you do a video on the E 13 mountain bike carbon crankset I just bought one and I can’t get it installed

[@XCRiders]

@@LoveMTB OK thank you your videos are some of the most informative so I had my hopes anyway when I install this on my chameleon when I go to cinch it down it starts to get tight as far as round and round with the Kranks so I had to stop obviously there’s something not correct The box seem to be missing some crucial spacing but as far as the instructions are vague as you stated

[@rogerserafin]

Thank you so much for this.

[@philobresil6152]

I have this cassette on my 2018 YT jeffsy, now i just replaced my chaine from a Shimano HG-601 to a HG-701 and my 3rd gear is skipping when i climb. you think i should try sram chain?

[@PanchoShelby]

I bought the new KCNC 9-52 cassette from R2 Bike and the chain falls in the last 3 big cogs when doing backpedal. I put on a new chain and he keeps doing it. Crank at the front is a 32t boost 3mm offset. My bike is a Specialized Epic Expert 2018 1x12 full Eagle XX1 and had no issues with the Eagle 10-50. It seems as the chain looks crossed. Somebody told me to use a 6mm offset chainring other told me to use a 28t instead of a 32t. Also I don't know why the last 3 cogs skipped the chain on torque when the chain is new

[@PanchoShelby]

Thanks anyway. I wrote back to KCNC since they say these cassettes are Eagle compatible

[@PanchoShelby]

I will

[@thisisdanchoi]

I have the ethirteen gen2 TRS+ 11 speed cassette and having a bear of a time removing it- tried two chain whips, tried chain whip plus cassette tool, tried mounting on bike and using chain whip with bike chain- nothing. The gen1 I was able to successfully remove with the bike mount technique but this gen2 is really tough! I already removed the set screw for this gen2 cassette as well. Do you have any advice on how to unlock this cassette? Stuck!

[@thisisdanchoi]

LoveMTB I did but no reply

[@Malio75]

Interestingly, e*thirteen offers a 12 speed upgrade for $45 more online that includes a 12 speed chain, cassette and tools to convert your shifter and derailleur to 12 speed. This is probably worth the extra money as opposed to using an old SRAM 1x11 chain with the TRS 1x11 cassette. I’m debating whether to go this route or GX Eagle from 1x11. It would cost hundreds less than going GX too and would weigh about 150G less.

[@matthewking4678]

LoveMTB actually that 9T cog is a big reason I’m considering the 9-46. I’m running a 32t chainring and want some more top as well as bottom on my Trek Fuel 29er. It’s a very polarizing cassette - some love it and some hate it.

[@robsstuff1889]

you did mot mentioned what kind of bike you have. I have 2016 stumpjumper and we canot solve the drop chain issue

[@matthemming5696]

Thanks for the info, I have Xt M8000 group set and this suffers from drop chain on the biggest cog on the cassette, I hope to try a new chain sram eagle gx maybe a e13 cassette too

[@darwindender5912]

So I just got a used bike with the 11s e13 trs 9-46T cassette and I have 11s an XT derailleur and shifter on it, and it’s got the backpedaling issue, but a SRAM 12s chain can solve the issue? Are those x-compatible?

[@darwindender5912]

@@LoveMTB I must’ve missed the point of the video then. What gx chain are you recommending to solve the backpedaling issue? Don’t you have a e13 11s cassette? You’re even providing links to buy the 12s chain and 11s cassette. 4:59

[@nismomike3182]

What is your measured chainring chainline?

[@jaimehop1763]

I have this cassette on my 2018 YT Capra. I changed the chain for the first time last week, after about 1,000 miles. Chain wear was exactly at 0.5%, so I never neglected my drive train or waited longer than suggested. Nevertheless, I instaled a new 12 speed SRAM gx chain, as suggested on your video, and since then, the chain skimps on the bigger cogs under load. Cant even climb like that. Can’t believe cassette could have worn out so quickly and with appropriate chain changes. Can’t find any other explanation, though. Any ideas?

[@jaimehop1763]

Same thing happened to me at exactly 0.5% elongation. The three biggest cogs are aluminum, and therefore “disposable”. Ethirteen refused to cover it under warranty claiming that was the reason they designed the cassette in two parts. So you could only replace those bigger cogs. Have you heard the term “single used plastics”? Well, This are single use cassettes. Mine wore before the original set of tires and brake pads. Only lasted one chain. The worst part is I actually ended up buying the biggest cogs from them again, since there are very few 11 speed, 46 tooth, XD cassettes out there. The one from Sunrace was out of stock everywhere.

[@jdvumbc]

What chain do you recommend for a shimano XTR rear derailleur and Sram XX1 cassette? How many millimeters for B-adjustment? Also should I cut the chain according to Sram or Shimano specifications? Thanks in advance for your help

[@jdvumbc]

When you mean +4 links are you including the power lock?

[@alexmalone1642]

I want try Taya Chain 9 speeds!what do u think?

[@abdielsosa9334]

Do you think I can use this chain with this cassette? Sram XX1 Eagle 12 speed slick oil chain?

[@abdielsosa9334]

@@LoveMTB ohh, thanks, how long did it last?

[@TeamCykelhold]

nice. I have one of these cassettes and the noise of the steel has been driving me mad.

[@rabvtec999]

Oh, I wished that I'd found this video earlier, then I may have avoided #ethirteen altogether! I've just 'upgraded' my 2014 Canyon Spectral from the factory OX1 11-speed to the e13 TRS Plus 9-46t 12-speed upgrade kit. Kit comes with a YBN 12-speed chain. Upshifting up in clunky and jumps straight from 18 to 24, and on downshift, it skips from 46 to 33 .. I've indexed and cable tension tweaked the heel out of it but no luck! Back pedalling drops from the 46 to 39 every time! Reading through the posts, I'm now getting a feeling that e13 aren't great with customer service either, and to make matters worse, I'm in the UK and bought the kit from Germany (kit unavailable in the UK). Going to try a SRAM 12-speed chain in the hope that it fixes my issue! Failing that, this will have been an expensive lesson, and I may have been better off if I'd just saved more money and bought up the (SRAM) 12-speed components..

[@rabvtec999]

@@LoveMTB thanks pal! Yeah, I literally started from scratch when fitting the kit ie removing and cleaning/checking my derailleur and chainring, then the hi/lo limits, then cable tension. I even checked the b-screw setting because of the bigger 46t cog. My rear derailleur and hanger were working absolutely fine with the factory 11-speed setup so that's a dead end, I'm afraid. My friend has a spare 12-speed shifter which I'm going to try just in case there's something afoot with the e13 shifter ratchet .. although (as you know), the shifter is just a means of pulling the cable! I'm grasping at straws to be honest..

[@MMDX70]

Same issue here on e13. Currently running 11spd pcx1 chain to almost eliminate the issues you mentioned. I think I am starting to get the creak from cassette but I don’t dare taking them off from each other. It was insane hard to lock the two piece cassette to lock to each other when installing them on xd driver.

[@MMDX70]

Trs race

[@ScottYarosh]

I've almost been able to lock and unlock mine with my hands

[@asia-wk4cf]

Surely it's unavoidable? chain geometry/alignment...just don't back pedal ;) Any suggestions for a 9 or 10 - 28 cassette please :)

[@razorree]

tell me about shifting after 6 months of use... :)

[@petoulachi]

Hello, do you have any idea if the backpedaling could also be resolved by using XX1 instead of X1 11speed ? Thanks !

[@petoulachi]

@@LoveMTB Yes it was my question, as I have backpedaling problem and a XX1 chain that is not used, I can try it to see if it resolve the issue (and not order a specific X1 as you advice) ! (for now I'm having the issue with a Shimano XT chain just to be clear !)

[@petoulachi]

@@LoveMTB Many thanks ! I didn't know we could also use 12v chain on 11v drivetrain !

[@calmandcoldblood]

Hello, i have a Shimano Xt 30 tooth crank 11 speed and a Sram Gx deraiileur, do you think the Eagle chain and E13 cassette 9 46 will work properly? Thank you.

[@calmandcoldblood]

@@LoveMTB thank you very much.

[@EstebanAl]

Hello I have the 9-42, 10s e*thirteen and they said on the web page use 11s chain. I have no issues of backpedaling. Maybe the same apply to 11s cassette, used a 12s chain. BTW thanks for te video.

[@gregricketts5414]

Esteban 9

[@hevdread]

do you have any experience with the KCNC 9-52 cassette?

[@hevdread]

@@LoveMTB thanks for the reply. Im eye the Ratio technologies 12 speed upgrade for my gravel bike; which will include either the ethirteen 9-50 or the kcnc 9-52. at any rate ive learned a lot from your channel, appreciate all the hard work.

[@razorree]

did you use it for a longer time? probably aluminium cogs will be eaten 2-3x faster than steel (comparing to XT) what about Garbaruk's cassettes, they're steel and light

[@razorree]

quite often i use 40-46t at the back (and 30t at the front), because i have steep fire roads - not wrong chainring

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

I'm really thinking about buying the new version with the pinch bolt....... Paralysis by analysis has me frozen at the moment though!

[@edgargcarrasco]

did you mean the 2018 one?

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

Yes, there was a redesign of the way the big cluster mounts to the XD driver. The new version uses a pinch bolt instead of the lockring.

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

I have a Hope Pro 4 XD hub and just saw that I would need a shim to install the new version..... not much of a 'shim' guy myself as I think creak, click, clunk.

[@MarvinConnell]

Ahh - I now have the confidence to purchase & use a 12 speed chain for my 11 speed drive train... =D ...But I was wondering what you thought of equivalent KMC & YBN(who I believe make chains for motorcycles)chains... O.O

[@MarvinConnell]

What about YBC? www.yaban.com/ ...I(don't see on that site yet but I)saw that both them & KMC now have 12 speed chains - without hollow technology for some reason... >.>

[@MMDX70]

I tried Kmc chain. It was horrible when back pedaling. Chain would fall off instantly from any of the last 3-4 cogs on cassette, not just from last largest on cog as seen here.

[@matthemming5696]

SRAM chains only for me

[@JosephDowski]

After watching this vid I was looking for SRAM 12spd chains. They have them at several different levels. Does it matter? (Not a weight weenie)

[@JosephDowski]

@@LoveMTB So go with a SRAM 11spd chain then?

[@ahidofe]

Could you make a video with some leonardi cassette? It might be interesting! Another big option

[@ahidofe]

ok! thats it! jaja i didnt know that. very good reviews by the way! i´ve learned a lot with them

[@sergioantunes6564]

Very good video. I have the Shimano M8000 derailleur, and the 11V SRAM X01 XG1195 Cassette. I need to buy a new chain. can I use the GX Eagle 12v chain ? it works?

[@sergioantunes6564]

@@LoveMTB Don't you have E13 anymore? which one do you have now?

[@sergioantunes6564]

With this SRAM Eagle 12 Speed ​​chain, the transmission the 11 Speed works better, mor faster. Or is it the same?

[@mutleyadamsracing2684]

How about an xx1 chain? Similar to pc x1?

[@edgargcarrasco]

how much different will it make if you use a xx1, perhaps x01 eagle chain?

[@edgargcarrasco]

not even while shifting from h to l gear and viceversa?

[@edgargcarrasco]

Awesome, here's my bike configuration: 1x11: Absolute Black Oval 34 chainring, Shimano XTR shifters, Shimano XTR GS rear derailleur, SRAM Eagle GX chain. I went for a ride yesterday and noticed that the chain has moved outboard from the jockey wheel. Is it because I'm using a XTR rear derailleur?

[@commandux]

How many miles are you with this cassette ??

[@automaticraccon]

Installed my 9-44 about 9 months ago. All fine until now. Regardless of how I set up my RD it has trouble shifting to the first of the aluminium cogs. I fear it’s been eaten and isn’t catching the chain anymore. I have to slighyly overshift and then it actually stays on the cog fine. 10 and 11th gear are fine. Frustrating quirk. Might need to replace the aluminum part.

[@ktmexctom]

I'm currently have warranty issues with my cassette and the supplier stated that e13 will not accept warranty on cassettes using 12 speed chains, not sure if anyone else has been told this and I cannot find anything on e13s website that says that either

[@ktmexctom]

LoveMTB I told them I had changed to the eagle chain and it had improved the shifting, and the photos I sent also had the eagle chain in view, they claim that e13 clearly state that 12 speed chain void the warrant but the closest I can find to that is a recommendation to use 11 speed chain on both their 10 and 11 speed cassettes

[@ktmexctom]

Same as your setup in the video, I have also added a wolftooth wolfcage which has a further offset top jockey wheel and allowed me to use less b screw and have better chain wrap on the lower cogs while still being able to shift into the 46 without too much noise My issue is with the chain slipping on the 14t sprocket under load rather than any backpedalling fault

[@ktmexctom]

Just to update you I'm being fully refunded for the cassette and am back on a shimano 11-46

[@villimagg]

Damn, I wish I saw this video before I bought the sram 11sp chain. Have to drive 2 hours to the bikeshop 😱

[@eduardosantin99]

ótimo vídeo, parabéns! Eu tenho uma pergunta sobre a durabilidade desta cassete, você pode me dar alguma informação sobre isso?

[@eduardosantin99]

@@LoveMTB Thanks

[@glenbooth628]

more of a question than wanting to see a video and here we go i have a sram x5 derailleur ( or did ) it come loose and got caught in my back wheel my sprockets are all ok om wheel its a 2 x 10 speed trouble is ive bought a x4 and a nine speed chain will this do the do ? please

[@glenbooth628]

lets all be honest how many gears your mountain / road or any other bikes with 5 or more gears have you only have 2-3 favorites anyhow really dont you

[@glenbooth628]

Q? IS WILL A NINE WORK WITH A TEN? NOT ARSED ABOUT GEARS I DONT EVEN USE WILL IT PEDAL ? AND SHIFT ? PLEASE ?

[@tamasvarga67]

I think these issues are not e13 cassette specific issues. KMC 11speed chain is kind of crap and the chain line should be moved outward so the side of the chain doesn't catch on the 10T. I had the same problem on 11 speed X1 cassette on the smallest cogs when I used a 30T 104bcd chainring which is spaced 2,5mm inward to not to catch on the spider.

[@tamasvarga67]

I know... luckily I have BSA BB so I could play with slim spacers.

[@aoshi30]

Nice! Thanks! Will give this a go! Cheers!

[@kleinkurti]

Changing to eagle gx chain didn't help to solve the dropping while backpaddeling for my yt capra comp 19.

[@kleinkurti]

@@LoveMTB unfortunately it didn't change anything for me.. But the shifting itself still works fine. I just can't backpaddel on the 3 biggest gearwheels

[@ctakbbgaches]

I like my e thirteen cassette but has anyone had issues with it causing a clunk in your cranks during pedaling in all gears. All other possible issues have been checked so I believe it’s the cassette.

[@VMweldingandfab]

The drive train is not designed to be pedaled backwards. If you have your chain on your biggest or smallest gear and you pedal backwards of course it's going to pop because your chainring is trying to guide it to be in the middle, that's why the derailleur moves when you shift, to keep the chain in place.

[@VMweldingandfab]

LoveMTB alright. In the video I noticed the chain dropped after like 4-5 full backwards rotation of the cranks.

[@DirkDierickx]

my yt jeffsy came with this paired with an slx derailer, i use a shimano chain and can't say i'm having problems with it (it originally came with a shimano chain as well, but now i'm using their new model chain with a quicklink)

[@mandawgs3285]

I just replaced the chain on my ethirteen cassette but now it’s making a grinding sound the chain I am using a shimano xt chain any suggestions?

[@mandawgs3285]

LoveMTB yeah just under load my local bike shop said I need a new cassette but I’ve only had my bike about a year

[@mandawgs3285]

Yes it’s a 11spd xt shimano chain

[@mandawgs3285]

LoveMTB thanks man 👍🏼

[@sean0611]

Shimano chains are pretty good on 11 speed, i have it on my bike and i can backpedal on the biggest cog about 2 or 3 full rotations before it falls off

[@lynguist]

Thank you!

[@machyne82]

I have a trs race 11 speed, just put a gx eagle 12 speed chain to fix the problem dropping the chain backpedaling. It is the same if not worst. I can’t turn it more then A quarter turn and it drops. Ratcheting on the trail isn’t even possible

[@justinpare646]

same here...my stock 11 spd chain hot 600 miles, so I dropped on a 12 spd chain...when upshifting it will ghost shift up and it can no longer back pedal. watched the chain wear the entire 600 miles and replaced it right when it failed the wear chk...ugghh

[@sebi_palgino8875]

can you do a video where you show how to change driver bodies? From shimano to sram xd!

[@TheBikeRoom]

I didn’t think about e13 tbh, I just jumped straight in to the GX Eagle 12 Speed.

[@HeidiFegles]

So the thinner chain is the ticket.

[@LoveMTB]

Can be the ticket, but be careful because it can wear out the shift ramps faster!

[@strokenumber3]

Regular Shimano cassette has none of these issues. Why compromise with this?

[@matthemming5696]

David Simons my Shimano m8000 has this same problem

[@Sphoxros]

I think this video may have just convinced me to get a 12 speed chain :O, was thinking about getting the Black & Red 11 speed chain from KMC, but that may not be the case now. Might just go with the black XX1 Eagle chain from SRAM. :D

[@abdielsosa9334]

How did it work with the XX1 Eagle chain?

[@Sphoxros]

@@abdielsosa9334 Works great so for, got about 2500 miles on it lolz.

[@SoilworkZA01]

I noticed my e*Thirteen cassette has quite a pronounced "wobble", almost like the cogs are not true. Anyone else experienced this?

[@SoilworkZA01]

LoveMTB thanks. Still doesn’t look right to me. Is it like this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n52Viqpogbuboa8

[@SoilworkZA01]

LoveMTB no play on the freehub. Fits tight to the rear hub. The stock X01 cassette doesn’t wobble at all

[@SoilworkZA01]

LoveMTB appreciate the replies! Mine is the newer pinch bolt type. Had it on and off a couple times now to confirm everything is fitted correctly. Sent my video to the guys I bought it from to get their views. Worst case I’m going to approach e*Thirteen directly to get their input

[@AndrewG2.0]

@@SoilworkZA01 Did you ever get that sorted? I am having that same wobble issue. Brand new bearings in the hub and freehub body with zero play.

[@tairny]

It seems more like a derailleur adjustment issue to me than a chain issue

[@pbillings808]

+1... limit screws could explain these issues, but weren't mentioned as potential causes that were ruled out.

[@p199a]

smallest cog on e13 is basicaly usless so much issues with it :( SRAM eagle is so much better. I rode bikes with both of this cassetes. SRAM eagle GX was perfect. E13 had all this problems seen in this video + pedaling while using 9T cog was just weird.

[@jimmy00455]

Doesnt work on 2018 Capra. To be honest, it works even worse than stock Shimano CN-HG601-11 speed chain

[@christianras3398]

made the same expirience, working with e13 on a solution since weeks.

[@Lumperator]

Honestly? It's better to go to Eagle. You gain absolutely perfect work and better grading. It makes no sense to pay so much money on E13, when you can buy a group of GX eagle for little more. The ideal solution would be if Sram released the 12 speed cassette in the option of tighter gradation (eg 10-45). I know, then there is no 500% , but seriously? Spread over gradation?

[@bike4536]

I had this e13 cassette on my new nomad and it lasted 8 weeks, went to replace the chain and no new chain would sit on the cassette, for a £300 cassette you would have thought it should last a lot longer than 8 weeks, for me, I'd say stick with sram or Shimano!!

[@bike4536]

LoveMTB Yes, between me and my local bike shop we got another one out of them but they didn't want to at first, my first time using e13 and not impressed, went back to sram straight away!!

[@climbslc2281]

Funny, but unfortunately the eagle GX 12 speed chain does everything WORSE than my KMC 11 speed chain with my eThirteen 9-46T cassette. Worse backpedalling, worse low gear jumping. Everything worse. I guess it was worth a try but a lot of variables not accounted for in these direct comparisons.

[@climbslc2281]

@@LoveMTB Yes, and again, it was worth a try. The 12 speed chain solve makes sense too. Maybe I'll try a KMC 12 sp. chain. otherwise I may need to ditch the eThirteen.

[@neilk22]

Eagle upgrade options are way more economical than buying e13 products - why play with incompatible parts at all

[@danielmartineza4135]

Buen cassette pero es muy costoso. cassette más cadena 12v cuesta el precio de un grupo GX eagle 1×12 y se estrena grupo nuevo sería mejor inversión creo yo

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

To add to that static geometry has almost peaked, new adjustable geo bikes are the new fad. By 2025 all the big players will have worked out all the geo issues. Even now you see all the specialization and options depending on how and where you ride. 21 lbs 120mm fs xc weapons to 30 lbs carbon dh sleds.

[@blranch8]

Got this cassette on a new bike I ordered it was to creaky and finicky and I did not like the ratios of the 9-46 gear range. Switched out for a Sunrace 11-46 for $75 and I am happy I did. The e13 cassette is over-priced, poorly engineered, and you need to buy their special tools to work on it. I can not in good conscience recommend this cassette, nothing but headaches.

[@screamingvteccc1]

You need an xtr chain

[@LoveMTB]

Would that make a difference?

[@SmartGamerPT]

Pareces-me ser portuga, estou certo ou errado? Abraço