e*thirteen TRS+ 9-46t 511% Range 11 speed Cassette - Long Term Review e13

[@Malio75]

All of these videos on this cassette were terrific and left no stone unturned. It was a major reason why I bought one for my recently purchased 2017 Trek Fuel EX 9. (Knock Block!) The 2018 and '19 models have gone to Eagle GX and I found the 10-42, while shifting smoothly and efficiently, was a little limited coming off of an older 3x9 setup. The bike squeezed into my used budget though and I luckily got the cassette used but never ridden off of a YT takeoff in CAD, including the chain. (USD would have been mucho pricey in Canada) Stoked to see how this setup performs once the snow and -40 temperatures subside!

[@mattcucci5490]

I use this cassette with a sram 11 sp GX and have no issues, love the range and price point. Your initial install and review made my buy it.

[@TrailFeatures]

Nice to know it's holding up! I think I'm going to skip 12sp unless I get a really good deal or it comes on a bike. This e13 has been on my wish list since I first saw it.

[@acuhealer62]

I went with the eThirteen cassette this year. Totally worth it. Love have that extra granny gear on the climbs.

[@Ceetvair]

I'm running almost the same setup, just a different chainring in the front. I first bought the cassette 2 years ago and had to replace it after a while, because it was bent (probably a defect in production and I just didn't notice it from the start). They gave me a completely new cassette for free and since then everything is working very well.

[@sbw1980]

This came on my nomad XE as standard issue and I love it. I think I might've messed up one of the aluminum gears with a horrible heavy power shift while trying to keep up with my local group. I love the fact I can just replace those gears in the cassette if damaged.

[@andrejhaluska4061]

I ride Shimano 2x11 M8000 series and I stay by 2x systems as long as possibe. I really like quick gear changing between descend and climbing. Front shift one down, back shift one up and its it. I dont have to shift over whole cassete.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Yup. There are still many advantages of a 2X system: also including less angle across the chain line and more top end gears. I’m not sold on the 1X systems. Still too many issues.

[@Planetone.]

This cassette w/ proper maintenance works really good for all day mountain riding. The gears 9-46 are awesome 👌

[@Tomzzzzzz]

This cassette came on my Santa Cruz Hightower LT build but after only 2 months or riding the aluminum granny gear started to warp! To their credit, E13 replaced it under warranty, but I opted to change my freehub and go with a Shimano XT cassette which are much more durable in my experience. Sure there’s a weight penalty, but I’ve never had an issue with Shimano cassettes. For the record, I’m 195lbs and use the granny gear a lot for climbing.

[@Tomzzzzzz]

LoveMTB I need the 46T for steep climbs.

[@MrSpeeeeeedy]

I have this on my full suspension and fatbike and have had no issues, and absolutely love it. Being a smaller guy, with smaller frame bikes... The long derailers is too concerning.

[@calmandcoldblood]

Just installed the cassette 9 46 with pinch bolt, a little difficult to install but very smooth. My crankset is an Xt with 30 teeth. Thanks for your videos, you gave me the idea to buy this cassette.

[@vladimirpazdera9699]

Like it! Thanks for long term experience. I did the same setting definetly based on your video, only difference is at front where I use OneUp Switch Oval 32t chainring on RaceFace Cinch cranks. And all that works well on my full suspension bike. Thanks a lot again and keep doing videos and tests! ;-)

[@SEKI14000]

Good review, I am using a Box Components 11-46 11 speed cassette, XT derailleur and 30T chain ring on both my hard tail and my full suspension trail bike. I do a lot of climbing and I am super happy with the gearing and the cost of the cassette is only $90. For now I don't have any plans to change to a 12 speed since it will cost way more to keep running than my current setup and I don't feel a need for the 50T.

[@SEKI14000]

@@LoveMTB Yes, the Box cassette is made by Sunrace. I prefer it over Shimano because the sprocket ratios are more evenly spaced vs the Shimano 11-46. It is a little heavier than the pricier stuff but it it wears and shifts really well.

[@ehansen0071]

I've been using this setup (except with a SRAM 30T front) for the past year and a half. It's time to swap out to a new cassette. So far I've been very happy with the range of this cassette but one thing that really bugged me is the creaking I would get when I'd get the slightest bit of dust or dirt on the grease areas. If it got dry at all it would sound terrible. I basically just went to oiling it at the contact points along with the chain every other ride. I'm interested to see if this new pinch bolt solves this problem but I doubt it because it's aimed at improving a different part of the cassette. It's not the best shifting compared to XT either but it was a good compromise when Eagle was new and $450 for the cassette. We'll see.

[@woduk]

I’m still using a 1x10 setup with an xtr 10speed derailleur with a radr cage installed on it.

[@woduk]

LoveMTB yep, I’m also using the shimano hg500 11-42 cassette work great with Kmc x10 el chain

[@woduk]

LoveMTB it’s a great value cassette, I bought two chains at same time and swap between so its lasting longer

[@seanglysing6913]

Can you use 11 speed chain on 10 speed drivetrain

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Still rockin 11x36x32 xdome cassette and a shimano zee rear mech shortcage with upgraded bearing pulleys. Ultra light setup with plenty of range for where i ride. Also do 500 lb leg presses regularly. No need to wide range cassettes.

[@dermadryindonesia5061]

hello brother, i want to buy this crankset but i just want to use the 9t cog for my bike, can i just take the 9t cog and put it into my hub?

[@fentuz]

How did you get on with the 12 speed chain and this 11 speed cassette? My cassette can be a little noisy with 11 speed PC1110 chain so I'm thinking about a 12 speed NX chain

[@gregricketts5414]

Have a new generation e13 9/46 cassette. Will not shift from 3rd to 4th(alum to steel) replaced all related components .Been worked on by every mechanic in Tahoe. Is it possible that my xo gripshift is the problem? Love your videos. OMG.... old man Greg @ Big Blue

[@yamelguerrerocuracao]

Hi Can you help me with one information? I’m confused about chain ring offset,when you have to use 0mm,3mm of 6mm offset? My mtb frame is 142mm Thanks

[@Gamebit450]

Coming off a 2018 Roscoe 8 with NX 11 sp. I really enjoy the sram shift feel. I now have the 2019 fuel EX 7 with NX Eagle and I am hoping I enjoy it as much as I did the 11-speed.

[@Runk3lsmcdougal]

Im using a 10-50 Sram GX cassette 32t crank. Looking at a bike with 9-46 Ethirteen and 32t crank. Wouldnt the 9-46 ethirteen not climb as steep of hills considering the biggest sprocket has 4 less teeth? I want the same climbing capability as the 50 tooth gx.

[@Samazing01]

A bit of calculation shows that with a 34T up front, a 9T cog on the rear gives me a ratio very close to a 42 up front and 11 up rear. How are they holding up today?

[@Samazing01]

@@LoveMTB That's sad, how many kilometers have you racked up on them? I'm currently using a Sram NX Eagle casette and was wondering if they'd fare the same in terms of longevity.

[@Samazing01]

@@LoveMTB Oh yeah, I was planning to purchase the XD driver for my DT 350 along with the casette, its quite sad it only lasted 1500 kms. Though its weird since the cogs are supposed to be steel right?

[@MaglorMusic]

Are you using a Sram GX Eagle 12speed chain with that 11speed cassette? Why can't it be an 11speed chain?

[@jimmcmullan1494]

Can I ask... Do you know if this cassette would work on a gravel bike? I use my gravel bike all the time, but due to the slightly smaller crankset, I loose some top end speed with the fact that my current 11spd cassette has an 11 tooth. This would really help with top end speed I think.. Thanks for any advice you might have. Jim

[@Motocue912]

I truly think it’s an incredible gear ratio they came up with . downside it’s over $200 for the cassette and u have to have a sram XD Freehub . So 225-260 for the cassette another 60.00 to convert my hud over to XD , I’m a lucky one that can with my hub Manufacture. New chain 50.00 ... it’s that time of year I take Advantage of Black Friday sales on the Internet . instead of buying this drive train system I’m spending the money on other components as they’re on sale ,can’t pass them up do not want to spend $300 just to have that 9 and 10 tooth sprocket that bad. I’m running 11/42 now so I will buy a 75.00 dollar Sunrace 11/46 and a ton of other parts.

[@wawanlapandua]

Is this posible to use this with 42 tooth single chainring ?

[@wawanlapandua]

@@LoveMTB curently my bike using single chainring 42 tooth on front and 11-32 cassete with SRAM APEX1

[@Malio75]

I’ve got a 1x11 lightly used SRAM X1 setup with a GX cassette. I’m seriously considering going with the TRS 12 speed upgrade because it’s about $200 cheaper than going with a full Eagle GX upgrade. It’s also lighter as well. I wonder if anyone else has experience with this e*thirteen system.

[@MMDX70]

I've experienced a lot of creaking noise with e13 11 speed cassette after few rides. It was so annoying that had to take it off and installed GX 11 spd cassette.

[@MMDX70]

@@LoveMTB Hope Pro 2 Evo. Locking. It's TRS Plus model. I used generous amount of supplied grease in the location mentioned in the instruction. Noise started after 4-6 rides initially thought it was BB or supension pivots.

[@xLITTLESIMBAx]

Id recommend reading the instructions of that chain checker you are using. .5 means replace the chain on 11 and 12 speed systems. The e13 cassette eats any chain to the wear point faster than any high end mtb cassette that I have worked with. It's not durable in the long term compared to sram or even the shimano high end offerings for 11/12 speed. It shifts kind of shitty too! ha

[@JosephDowski]

@@LoveMTB Can you elaborate more on what chain you ran before switching to a 12spd chain & what issues switching it solved, or didn't solve?

[@mwinner101]

11-42 on my hardtail, 10-50 on my full suspension, 11-36 on the CX bike. All work fine for me.

[@jack91522]

Have you found anything better than the e13 9-46? In terms of weight, price, performance?

[@MrDjindian]

I currently have this e thirteen trs+ 9-46 cassette with a round 30t chainring. I'm needing just a bit more help climbing the steep trails I ride and thinking of going to a 28t oval chainring... What are your thoughts on going this small and switching to oval?

[@kennyro7178]

I’ve got the latest e13 TRSr 11 speed cassette mated to a Wolf Tooth 32 chainring with Shimano XTR derailleur and shifter. This replaced a 2x11 Shimano XTR groupset. My current set up is far superior for racing!!

[@kennyro7178]

LoveMTB Mostly I like the lighter weight!

[@razorree]

i guess it won't survive as much as shimano or sram cassette ? (or garbarug), so how much ? 50% ? or more ?

[@razorree]

@@LoveMTB well, i thought it's quite obvious that tests need to be executed in very similar conditions/testbed :)

[@razorree]

@@LoveMTB or just ride with your buddy, the same trails, the same time, the same amount, one has Shimano/Sram cassette, one has E13/Hope (more alu cogs) :)

[@piciu256]

On my XC bike I will run 2x10 forever, it find I to be the most practical, and it's the least expensive at the same time. On my trail bike (that I'm about to start building) I might use this casette, I'm going to run 1x11 that's for sure, just to make the chain quieter on the rough stuff.

[@mtbboy1993]

Currently I use first gen Box One RD,I used SunRace 11-46T cassette, until it I worse it out, rode it until the chain jumped off. I rotate between three chain, change every month, to keep a smooth drivetrain, and keep the wear down, I do this until it's not possible any more. I am using a 11-46T xt cassette now cus I can out of cassettes, I did not buy any yet, but I am considering E thirteen. The next to try is the new Box One. But I need to go down in chainring size if doing that. but I won't install any more nice parts on my fuel ex cus it's abusing the drivetrain, it rocks from side to side, but I plan on new bike, So I think E thirteen will fit the bill, but it's pricey, but I don't care, I need performance, and a product that fits my needs. next on my wish list is fully adjustable shifter, but that does not exist yet, none on the market fit me. I tested the parts both on my hardtail which is stiff enough, performs quite well, with Kmc chain, but the fuel ex eats it up, 80km and I have to swap ridiculous. I haven't tried Sram chains yet, nor Connex, which I heard good things about. any one of you tried Connex? www.connexchain.com/en.html

[@mtbboy1993]

@@LoveMTB shimano wears fast, no bushings, can't swap, do need to swap the rd I self, which is expensive, but I like that with Box you can swap bushings, take apart the whole rd. Bushings are cheap to replace.

[@mtbboy1993]

@@LoveMTB what do you mean"sounds like slx"? I wonder about sram, if it uses replaceable parts. I love the clutch lockout. I see sunrace is releasing new 12 speed.

[@mtbboy1993]

@@LoveMTB what do you mean"sounds like slx"? I wonder about sram, if it uses replaceable parts. I saw you can take sram Rd apart easely. I love the clutch lockout. I see sunrace is releasing new 12 speed.

[@mtbboy1993]

@@LoveMTB I currently use kmc, so far good de ent result on my hardtail, but my fuel ex is abusing it with side to side rocking. I guess I should test sram then. Heard alot of good about them.

[@Sphoxros]

Using the same cassette with a 32t Hope crank setup paired with a SRAM X1 shifter, works great :D.

[@jeanboilard1624]

What size is your front chain ring?

[@anunez6092]

I think he mentioned it being a 30T oval by Absolute Black

[@bimmermac]

I like that bike than anything. Norco Revolver, Super nice.

[@OscarEduardoRosales]

Can i use this cassette on a 2x11 deore xt?

[@johnwilliamson9453]

Did you do this? I’m thinking about it!

[@matt.eggleton]

I run the same and I'm generally very happy. I too prefer the SRAM chain to the KMC for this cassette. I'm interested in your use of the 12-speed chain. Why? I looked for the reason in your other videos but didn't find it. Thanks in advance! _Matt

[@paulkliu]

Awesome video. Can I use this in 2019 Giant Trance 2? That is a 1x11.

[@paulkliu]

@@LoveMTB Do you mean I need to replace the freehub with an XD driver, then I can use the 9-46t cassette?

[@rubenconzales9718]

I am surprised a the range you got on the cassette. I like the cassette, but durability was an issue. I use lots of hybrid builds, sunrace, e thirteen, one up etc.

Thank you for this great review, well done and always useful. I recently bought a new bike with this cassette. Everything works perfectly, except the 8th pinion only (starting from the smallest). When the chain is on this pinion, the chain seems to move, have play. My skills are quite limited and I can not find solutions. Do you have an idea where this could come from? Thank you for your help.

@@LoveMTB thanks a lot for tour answer, i will do this ! 👍🙂

[@mtbboy1993]

1 year on a 1 cassette is great performance, for sure, do you ride a lot?

[@mtbboy1993]

@@LoveMTB I ride all year long, but never raced.

[@juliodavidvega2407]

Im waiting for you to try the shimano xtr 12 speed cassette with the eagle drivetrain. I think it will perform fine.

[@jonathankingstone3031]

Why? If you're going to use the Eagle shifter/derailleur why not use the Eagle cassette too? The XO1 is a beautiful cassette, perfect range, one-piece design is excellent and stays clean and the XD driver makes installing it fast and simple.

[@jonathankingstone3031]

​@@LoveMTB He was saying Eagle drivetrain -- which I assume is Eagle shifter and derailleur -- with XTR cassette. To me I don't see the point of that. Especially since you need a new freehub body anyway (whether you buy XD or microspline). So far I think Eagle is brilliant. It's a different feel from XTR for sure but has its own unique feel. I don't see my XX1 shifter giving up anything in feel at all to XTR. But I'm comparing XX1 to XTR. The Eagle UPSHIFTING (both the shifter feel and the actual shift) is is quite stunning actually. Blazingly fast and smooth. Downshifts each (Sram and Shimano) have their own feel. Sram has a lighter feel actually; to get that light feel on Shimano you have to loosen the RD clutch torque, which gives more chain noise. Sram has an incredibly light feel AND keeps the chain tight. Shifting in to and out of 50T is every bit as good as all the other gears. Flawless. Shifting into the 42 is maybe the one area that could use improvement. It always shift (underpower is no exception) but sometimes nosier than I'd like. But I'm OCD about these things. Set up on Eagle I think needs to be bang on - chain length, cable tension and definitely b screw. I wouldn't want to be a novice trying to sort it out.

[@jonathankingstone3031]

@@LoveMTB Oh, one more thing. The MatchMaker system is better designed than Shimano's I-Spec, IMO. Plus the fact Shimano CONSTANTLY brings out a new version every single time is beyond annoying. That's my rant for this snowy morning ;)

[@juliodavidvega2407]

​@@jonathankingstone3031 @LoveMTB will probably get the 12 speed XTR stuff at a lower cost anyways so it will be fun to see the xtr 12s cassette with eagle shifter and derailleur. You need a new freehub body but thats fine.

[@adventureswitheddie6444]

Shimano feel? Nothing like feeling the shifter twice to complete the shift

[@truls0206]

Damn, you are getting more miles out of you cassette then I do. After half a season mine startet skipping under load. I did change the chain before its was worn out, but the skipping seems to occur after my chain replacement....

[@mtbboy1993]

5 years, that's great. @@LoveMTB

[@truls0206]

Oh, I did not know they had 5 year warranty. I will contact my dealer now. Thank you for the tip.

[@ns671fr]

The 9t will almost be not used, most will get away or not even need that and starting at 11t is more than enough and maybe still not used as often especially for Hilly places. Id rather have it 11 or 12t to 50t plus for most common rides. I think ethirteen should have done a 12t to 52t

[@wodstalker2819]

Still rocking 2x10

[@xiangqu]

nice bikes!

[@TheDirthound]

I think the ethirteen system of installation/removal is way more complicated than it needs to be. I just spent an hour dicking with mine just to tighten a hub and I’m no novice , been riding 23 yrs and worked at a bike shop for ten yrs. Why the need for two chain whips and no real guides machined in to ensure the bottom cluster is on correctly, plus the locking system is a bit of a bitch and does not go on smoothly and is somewhat hellish to pull off as the top cluster does not lock in or align smoothly.

[@avalanx]

Pity you need the xd driver

[@EDMLuigiRS]

As usual Awesome review!, I just did a installation with the new E*thirteen Trs-r 9-46T 11 speed and the new XTR M9100 long cage derrailer and shifter and a 11 speed xtr chain, but I can't get it to shift properly you think If a go with the new XTR 12 speed chain it will probably solve my shifting problem?

[@666mcc]

just bought 12sp cassette from e*13 - hoping this will be as good as the 11 version you have :)

[@666mcc]

@@LoveMTB for sure i will do it - i was looking for the same kind of review (long term) but every review i saw it was max a few hundreds kilometers - which is a bit too short to invest the money in.

[@luisalbertogomez6985]

Tengo el e* hace unos 3500 KMS y los piñones del ser bajo (acero) se reventaron es muy frágil yo peso 100 kilos. Lo repare con una soldadura pero ahora el problema es el desgaste el piñón de aluminio es muy delicado y el 9 también presenta mucho desgaste la cadena no sienta... no lo recomiendo para nada

[@someguy9520]

Please replace that chain. 11&12 spd chains should be replaced at 0.5 wear. I destroyed a road cassette when I used it down to 0.75. And with the price of the e13trs+ that would be even more fatal

[@BTinKH]

My front is a Tiagra double compact. I can get both climbing ability and speed. Big-big and small-small no problem. Back pedals OK. One-bys suck.

[@seanhornchek6440]

haha keep telling yourself that