Is America as Divided Today as it Was in The Civil War Era? (With Erik Larson)

[@nicknaque2261]

Thanks for your enlightening conversation today. I am a retired Registered Nurse with ER experience and have an idea about the reality of civil wars. Medical workers have a perspective much different from the strutting peacocks inciting violence.

[@andaros8449]

It is a tragedy that we ever stopped reconstruction. It was never resolved and now we are once again dealing with fascistic confederates!

[@warheadsnation]

I think that it's fairer to say that reactionaries want to go back to feudalism, but they are led to think that only a dictator can overthrow the modern world to bring this about. And the dictator uses that to suck them into fascism. As for Reconstruction, the Freedman's Bureau in 1865 assessed the challenge of its mission to aid the freed slaves in the South, and concluded that it could not do so unless it also had the power to aid the poor Whites of the South. But that really meant the Federal government would have to provide massive social programs, which would be socialism, which was then unimaginable. So there is where Reconstruction was stopped, long before the betrayal of 1876.

[@JudgeBen]

Fascinating guest, and so well-interviewed, AS ALWAYS!!!

[@amyheckathorn7172]

22:41 I’m thinking of the old adage “History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.”

[@ryshow9118]

Thank you both for this conversation

[@marilynkarwoski1586]

i think they're already incarcerating homeless people.

[@jinx.rhodes]

Hell yeah! Great interview! More please. 💙

[@scott1391]

Erik’s fighting for his life to stay professional with Lovett’s question phrasing 😂

[@judithgeorge845]

Great pod, Jon.

[@jonathon5075]

Great interview Jon

[@susanjanehayden]

I was captivated by the White City and just downloaded this new book. Insightful.

[@nicknaque2261]

I read his book: ISAAC'S STORM about the 1900 hurricane that destroyed Galveston...and got hooked. His book about the sinking of the Lucitania is my 2nd favorite. NO one else has wrenched me from the "Real World" into the past as effectively as Mr. Larson.

[@AnnaCarlson-b9u]

I grew up in Northern Illinois ( 60 miles northwest of Chicago) and I didn't know the history of the 'White City until I read Erick Larson's excellent book

[@cjfroese70]

Great conversation, Jon

[@steele41]

Fascinating interview. I was sorry to see it end

[@spacemaneric]

I love his work, and I share a name with him.

[@Weemadaggie]

That was really good. I gotta get that book

[@MaryWatters-g8e]

I’m reminded of ‘The People of the Lie’ by Scott Peck.

[@amandasmith7741]

Thank God for Lovett, every other pod is talking about Tucker and Trump spanking America and I just can't hear that clip again. Fucking disgusting. Vote 💙💙💙💙

[@Roberta-q1q]

Defiant Lawyers -- Nullifying Racism talks us through the spillway of vitriol leading up to the B & D frenzy. Rev Augustus Corbett, Esq calls it KKK level racism. I also felt included in the aggressive parasites who must be dealt with as an underemployed white person. Liberals on djt's Enemies List who want tax dollars spent on citizens and not all shoved into Scrooge McDuck's money bins also seem targeted. Event of Charlie Kirk's Turning Point org seems way more packed than Trump's solo rallies now. MSG on Sunday could be a puny trickle or else "holy cowpies!"

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

I second that emotion!! Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@bafranksbro88]

Should’ve introduced the episode with “On this very scary Halloween Special!!!!”

[@carahowell4260]

It really is bad no matter what era. Whether they justified it or not.

[@SeattleSun2013]

Folks, the earbuds just don’t cut it. Whenever you have anyone on your show, please get them a decent mic, and a headset. The earbuds make it sound like he’s talking from the bottom of a garbage can. I really want to understand and hear what you’re saying and the earbuds just aren’t cutting it.

[@jerekorsumaki437]

#firstworldproblems

[@jrojala]

Pay him for it if you want it so bad. Make sure there’s clear and simple instructions in case the sound on this free video app isn’t to your impeccable audiophilic standards

[@catherinebirch8263]

15:30 Yes, Lovett. You've nailed it here. I believe that this is what is happening to those who enact, and also attempt to justify, the horrors visited upon the Palestinians by the Israelis in Gaza. Accompanied by a narrative where the Palestinians are essentially an inferior ethnicity, which is entirely analogous to the narrative about slaves at that time in the US.

[@r.cobrehernandez5923]

Can we please not call the rape of children "dalliances"? A journalist should know better. Language matters, and the way this word is used is complicit in rape culture.

[@serentrump2558]

Totally agree. Call it what it was, child rape.

[@jamiegoralski2802]

Came here to say the same. As an author he knows what the word means, using it was a deliberate choice. I expected Jon to call him on it and very disappointed he let him continue to sanitize the rape of children.

[@allialias]

Civil war? Oh well. BBL...Kisses!

[@scottmansfield4038]

I want to like this but it's at 69 likes and I don't want to ruin it😊

[@gabriellemartin9794]

Very funny

[@LorenaBobbittForPresident]

Silly😂

[@alecmoore7664]

This is the most boring nonsense Crooked has ever produced. Lovett needs a more powerful editor

[@LorenaBobbittForPresident]

It was a christian problem all along?

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Religion does seem bring out some behaviors in folks. I got a little Sunday school, but mostly I'm a heathen. I did manage to not be a drunk o beat my kids, so I figure I'm a decent human. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@LorenaBobbittForPresident]

@tammystockley-loughlin7680 i love New Hampshire

[@LorenaBobbittForPresident]

@@tammystockley-loughlin7680 I want to live there

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

@LorenaBobbittForPresident it's kinda expensive but I love it here. Climate change is making it less predictable, today 64 degrees. Used to be I'd have been wearing long underwear for weeks. I'm not complaining, the cold can be hatd.

[@LorenaBobbittForPresident]

@tammystockley-loughlin7680 great information. Its beautiful. I like all the little towns around Concord.

[@passionforparties]

I take such issue w the historical lense vs modern lense statement. This makes sense whe applying technology and modern amenity but not to empathy for our fellow human. None of it was ever ok. Clean your GD lense. The victims of these atrocities siffered no matter how hard you squint

[@LateNightwithStudBuyers]

remind me to come back to this in a hundred years, when hopefully we're not complacent with children/the global south producing so many of the goods we take for granted today. nobody is saying, "nevermind the atrocities," just that if we stop to damn every wrong in our past, we will never be able to reach a point where we can learn from our mistakes.

[@ucdwags00]

I wonder what he’d think of the statue debate. I do understand his sentiment from the perspective of a historian/book/museum, which is 1000% different from a statue which DOES place positive judgement and praise on these figures in 2024.

[@warheadsnation]

@@LateNightwithStudBuyers Americans are so resistant to learning about their past, much less the bad parts, and even more resistant to making serious sacrifices to undoing our mistakes, that we have to scream over and over about those bad parts to get even slightly heard. Americans don't understand slavery or White supremacy any better now than after most of them watched Roots on TV 47 years ago, because it was uncomfortable to remember what was learned.