Loving the Tarot de Marseille

[@benjaminbeebe6555]

The Fournier Spanish Tarot was my first TdM-style deck & ultimately kept me from giving up on Tarot altogether. Like many people in the English-speaking world, my Tarot journey began with a brand-new Rider-Waite deck & a couple of recommended books (which eventually grew to more than a dozen..). No matter how much I studied or worked with it, something just didn't click & I was starting to think that Tarot just wasn't for me when I acquired the Fournier deck. A quick flip-through revealed that this was not 'mainstream' Tarot but the venerable TdM tradition I had heard so much about. I decided to give it a chance &, while the non-illustrated pips were a bit intimidating at first, I soon realized that the lack of embellishment was actually more conducive to stimulating my own creativity & intuition. That is when the real magic of Tarot finally began for me. The Spanish Tarot will always be my very favorite deck, but I look forward to exploring some other TdM decks on this fascinating journey. Thanks for the great video!

[@MateuszTurala]

Tarot de Marseille was my very first deck...but I wasn't ready, I was way too young and wasn't able to appreciate how great it is! Now it's my number one deck to work with! So happy to hear your point of view on TdM, Lisa! Thank you!

[@8polyglot]

Mateusz Turała Same. It was totally over my head when I got one as my first deck. I came back to it years after starting, and now I only read TdM.

[@MateuszTurala]

8polyglot Great! TdM gaves so much space for ur own interpretation.

[@chriskingsley2624]

This is educational and enlightening, not just looking at the pretty cards. Thank you.

[@MindfulTarot]

Thanks so much Chris! Thanks for watching!

[@jenhalpin]

As a graphic designer, just love the matte version because you can’t get bright color without the gloss finish.

[@entropyapothecary]

I appreciate this share and say welcome back! Glad to see TdM finally getting its due. It can be a refreshing break from the baggage we hand (consciously or not) to the RWS. I adore the Hadar in particular. Side note... I have sold on Ebay for over 20 years. There is a legitimate joy in going the extra mile for my customers, no matter what they're buying or how much they spend. Some of us sell and subsist on Ebay to keep food on the table and a roof over our heads. I don't have the luxury of opining about oligarchs and disparaging the evils of capitalism. Ebay is one of the only platforms that safely connects and protects buyers and sellers all over the globe. Many times we can connect on a human level via a shared passion for things like the tarot. That's not a necessary evil or controversial conduit. For some of us it's a lifeline.

[@MindfulTarot]

thank you! it's good to be back!

[@the_hermits_cave]

Firstly, it’s great to see you back. I found this fascinating and whipped out my notebook to take notes on the variances between Type 1 and Type 2. So informative. Thank you Lisa 🙏🏼📿

[@MindfulTarot]

Dear Simon! Thanks for watching! To be fair: I only mentioned a few of the differences between Type 1 and Type 2.... offering my spin on the two variants around the idea of Folly... that's not an argument others might make, but it's what makes sense to me! - The distinction originates with Thierry Depaulis in the early 1980s... but here's a recent recap of his distinction: i-p-c-s.org/pattern/PS002.pdf

[@Aceofwands688]

I'm with you: if the Kris Hadar deck had normal card stock it would be my go to deck, but I cannot do with the thick, sticky, plastic cards. The Spanish deck looks beautiful too.

[@8polyglot]

happy you’re back doing tarot talk!

[@MindfulTarot]

me too! thanks for joining me!

[@DerekJohnThomas]

That was a joyous romp through some lovely decks. Thank you.

[@DerekJohnThomas]

It's so interesting (synchronistic) to have found this video. The only one of the ones you beautifully showed that I don't have is the Veritable....and it has been sitting in my cart to purchase on February 1 (my buy day) for about a week or two. 😇

[@3ofcupseclectictarotdaniel796]

I wish i could triple like this 👍 👍 👍. I am so interested in getting a very rounded education on tarot (i only began my study in these covid months) your suggestions regarding the fool, folly, the little things to look for. Thank you.

[@fernandamccormack]

hi! About the face on the belly... in Brazil we have a saying "he has the king in his belly" which means that the person only thinks about having the best of everything, thinking he is in a better position than anyone. That leads to the thought of .... I want more, MORE!!!!

[@78puertas]

The one by Fournier was my very first one! 🥰

[@Beniffa]

Thank you Lisa. This video was very helpful 🙂

[@TheJPLR]

Glad to come across your video. I'm currently studying the tarot de Marseille and loving my Kris Hadar deck! Getting your book soon.

[@sandyt5348]

I love your explanations xoxoxo

[@MindfulTarot]

Thank you for watching! It means a lot - I'm glad my explanations are useful! xoxoxo

[@ellenthewonderland]

Given a choice between a folly and a sacrament, one should always choose the folly-because we know a sacrament will not bring us closer to god and there’s always the chance that a folly will. - Desiderius Erasmus Love your videos Lisa, thank you so much🙏

[@laurenbrenner9597]

Thank you! Very informative. Glad I discovered your channel!

[@lilpinkbear]

It's so good to see you! And I really enjoyed hearing you wax lyrical about the TdM. I don't believe I have a Type 1 (I've always been a little fuzzy on the differences) but I may well have to after watching this. Thank you for sharing your insights (and joy).

[@MindfulTarot]

Kelly Bear! thanks for watching and writing! I'd love to hear your thoughts about TdM 1 and 2! Thank you for *your* joy and utter brilliance! take care -

[@dudleefing]

Once the Kris Hadar 2nd edition deck has been used for a while (1 week for me) it is easily handled and loses it's sticky feeling. It is my favourite workhorse deck (depite that I'm generally a TdM1 type fellow), because the cards are nigh indestructable. My advice to people who are considering the Hadar 2nd edition, is to go with it and become familiar with the deck over a period of 1 - 2 weeks. Gradually the shuffling becomes easier and it then starts to *feel* like a very solid deck .. to me. I wish I had the same card-stock option for all my TdM's ... particulary my Noblet and Dodal. A couple of nit-picky perspective of mine; I disagree that RWS is the same system as TdM. RWS is to me the representation of their creators mind sets frozen on the cards. RWS is therefore (IMO) just a slice of tarot life for a particular period, expressing the point of view of the Golden Dawn. Another issue for me is the predeliction for RWS with how they have made adjustments to the legitimate Tarot tradition and included Astrological, Hebrew and Egyptian teachings. If people want to do that it is OK by me, but it is no longer tarditional Tarot. P.S. I HATE scarabeo card stock!! I guess to each their own lol. However, I enjoyed your video, thank you.

[@raf906]

I just love this video, and I learned so much. Thank you, Lisa!

[@Jam-m7m]

Thanks so much...I bought the 1760 Marseille I want to buy more....I really appreciate your passion with these cards

[@MindfulTarot]

thank you so much Dale! Thanks for watching and writing!

[@annerobinson2288]

THe new Veritable shuffles wonderfully! I don't understand what you're talking about. It rifle shuffles and over hand beautifully.

[@fruluna1499]

Wow! Type 1 and type 2 was news to me. Thank you, dear Lisa!🇳🇴🧚‍♀️

[@Beanmachine91]

i dont do readings but i love tarot games like imperial trumps and queens of fate

[@clarelantern]

I am so glad you are back on youtube~

[@MindfulTarot]

Awww Clare! Me too! thanks for stopping by!

[@lunalion8380]

Thank you so much for showing and sharing!❤️🥰

[@locutorest]

Go for the Jean Noblet restored by Jean-Claude Flornoy, you will love it.

[@shunyaspirit5321]

Thank you, Lisa, i will try the tarot de Marseille. I am inspired. 🙏

[@MindfulTarot]

Yes! Go for it! Tom Benjamin's book and Yoav Ben-Dov's book are great resources if you want to dive in - and I also just encourage you to mix a Marseille deck in with your go-to deck, and learn from how the cards speak to each other. Let me know what you discover!

[@shunyaspirit5321]

@@MindfulTarot thank you, Lisa , wish you a beautiful time ahead 💞

[@simonfernandes6809]

If you can buy them directly, get any TdM from Yves Reynaud in France. He does historical recreations of various TdM. These decks are incredible, easily the best TdMs I've seen. In particular, get the Pierre Madenie 1709 - incredible. I've used this deck reading for other people and the reading was amazing. The brief picture of the Conver in a box in this video is by Reynaud.

[@sparklingsia7279]

Nice to have you back Lisa❤️❤️❤️

[@MindfulTarot]

So nice to be back, dear one! Thanks for stopping by!

[@qwe1231]

In addition to the Fournier deck, Lo Scarabeo's Universal Tarot of Marseille has color-coded suit backgrounds too. So does Dame Fortune's Wheel Tarot (which is sort of a mashup of Etteilla and Marseille).

[@MATT-dw3lu]

You are fascinating thank you

[@astralcounterpoint]

"Such madness is divinest sense..." My dear Emily Dickinson says. 8:50

[@lucycampbell8254]

Excellent Lisa 👍💕🙏

[@MindfulTarot]

Thank you so much Lucy!!! xo

[@lucycampbell8254]

@@MindfulTarot for me the Spanish Tarot is a very special deck. It was my first tarot that my sister gave to me in 1983. She is no longer with us so this deck holds many memories of that time in our lives.

[@liminal3483]

What's your opinion on the Jodorowsky-Camoin tarot de Marseille?

[@MindfulTarot]

Hi Julio - Thanks for watching and posting! I like the Jodo-Camoin a lot. Card stock is lovely and images are crisp. It's a beautiful deck in the hands, and it's an important deck to have - critical especially if you dive into his book (which I heartily recommend.) Jodorowsky had some very particular views about color and arrangement that were a bit idiosyncratic, however, and for a basic, friendly and reliable reconstruction of the Conver, I prefer Yoav Ben-Dov.

[@madwitch9977]

I recently asked the question about which type 1 or 2 to work with ...I have both ..but my analytical mind wants a definite answer ...but it seems suggest that it doesn't matter...just go with whatever deck you are using ...is that your thoughts too ? Thank you for a lovely video x

[@mattkiraly9869]

I'm always happy when people promote Marseille tarots because they are so underrated. However I wouldn't really recommend people to just take and read with Marseille because minors really are different than RWS or Thoth minors. Marseille lacks the occult symbolism and it has a bit wider scope of meaning for the minors. It's really interesting to get to know them because you can easily see how both RWS and Thoth decks derived their meanings from particular narrowed down interpretations of Marseille pips and then enriched with all sorts of layers of esoteric symbolism. Marseille decks are really incredible. :D Oh and it's nice that seeing you back on YT. :-)

[@MindfulTarot]

Thanks for your note, Matt! I hear you! And that makes me want to dive into a long (sorry!) response. I'm all for study and differentiation! TdM and RWS are not the same! Yes, it's true that different modern decks - beginning with Etteilla in the 18th century - layer esoteric meanings and symbolic systems on to the older pip playing card decks (of which what we call Marseille is just one lineage). But - in fact, layering on meanings is what we all do - each of us as readers, not to mention different deck creators and artists. I'm trying to draw attention to that process. My goal here is to inspire folks to take up the Tarot as a coherent and unified system - a healing Mandala of meaning - rather than envision a set series of correspondences that they have to memorize one by one. It's like learning a foreign language. You have to immerse yourself, try living in the language, making sense of it, in order to begin truly to grasp it. That doesn't mean you don't need to study grammar, vocabulary etc in order to get fluent... but I think a lot of folks try to learn Tarot through rote memorization... which is like trying to learn Spanish by studying a phrase book or a dictionary. Instead, I'm hoping folks will go to these historic decks to learn about number, color and arrangement - the core elements of the pips - and bring what they learn to the RWS (or any other modern Tarot lineage, like Thoth or Eudes Picard) ... enriching both the historic and the modern in the process.

[@mattkiraly9869]

@@MindfulTarot Oh I agree with you that no one should learn tarot through memorization. I actually don't even know how people manage to do that considering the amount of information you have to keep in your memory. My parents taught me to read first by letting me play with the cards randomly and then when i was old enough they basically explained the numerology and the elements and it sort of became clear from there. Maybe I'm just assuming too much and underestimating other people. i really love reading with the Marseille but when I first saw the pips I didn't know what each flower meant or how many swords are bent around a branch or whatever. :-) I could read it because at that point I already knew numerology but there was a whole new visual language that I couldn't figure out on my own. BUt that's just me. :-)

[@MindfulTarot]

Matt Kiraly thanks for sharing your insights about this. How amazing that you were exposed to Tarot as a kid and that your parents led the way! I’d love to hear more about your journey and learn from your discoveries!

[@thefoolsjournal]

Marseille!!!!!!!!!

[@MindfulTarot]

Well yessir! You might know just a little bit about this lineage, eh?? xoxo

[@wilderness4071]

For those looking for a good resource on the Marseille Tarots. The Marseille Tarot by Paul Marteau is a good start. This book has just been translated into English. You can find a copy on: www.circleandtriangle.com. Another good resource is The Marseille Tarot Revealed by Ben Dov, which you can find on Amazon.

[@MindfulTarot]

Marius! Your translation is indeed splendid. I've been slowly working my way through it and will post about it when I can. Sorry... I'm slow! But: bravo!!!

[@wilderness4071]

@@MindfulTarot Hi Lisa. Glad you like it. As you can see, I am trying to get the message out. I guess, in my naivite, I thought this book would sell itself, but unfortunately it does not. By the way I have translated a book by Etteilla too.